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Unless you’re a really low-information voter, you probably know there’s an election coming up in about three months. This November, our election boils down to a contest between people who love America and people who hate America. Clearly, if you like guns and value your right to self-defense, you should vote early…in jurisdictions that make that possible.

Say what you want about them, but Donald Trump and many Republicans love America and what it stands for. They exhibit unapologetic patriotism. They celebrate our strengths and strive to improve upon our weaknesses. Most importantly for The People of the Gun, they recognize and support our right to own guns and use them responsibly, including for self-defense.

Joe Biden and many Democrats loathe America and what it stands for. They have a seething self-hatred of themselves and all things American. Illinois’ own Senator Tammy Duckworth called George Washington and Thomas Jefferson “traitors” earlier this month.

More and more Dems talk about the need to tear down our nation and rebuilding it from scratch. They call for “fundamental transformation.”

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Much of America could look like Seattle’s CHAZ/CHOP/Antifastan if they win power. Or maybe it will look like Venezuela. But one thing is for sure…it won’t look like the America you grew up in and called home.

NRA-ILA image.

Most importantly for gun owners: the left will ban guns and confiscate many of those already owned. They’ve pledged repeatedly to do just that. Many times, in fact. Not only that, but they will prosecute you for defending yourself, your family and your home.

Even worse, they will continue to nurture the “cancel culture” climate where they try to destroy people who dare to disagree with them. If they win, they will hunt “deplorables” down in the streets, at workplaces and in their homes.

This fall’s election comes down to this: one side loves America, the other side hates America and they want to replace it with something that’s unrecognizable to our nation’s founding. And they want to punish those folks who voted for Donald Trump.

You can bet that good guys with guns will not have a part of the Democrats’ new “social justice” nation if they win this fall. You should vote your gun rights as if your life depends upon it. Because it just may.

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  1. Those who love America…

    And those who want to transform it into something else. Something that’s already been tried several times.

    • We have lost the street. We have lost the law. We have lost the courts. It’t time to admit that we have lost the country.

      A Trump re-election will be just a slight bump in the huge slide down. Well, its been a nice ride while it lasted.

      No one to blame except Demonrats.

        • The American Civil War saw between 616,000 and 1,000,000 casualties among combatants and civilians, from combat and disease.

          No way that many Americans are willing to go to war with each other over any of this current noise.

        • “No way that many Americans are willing to go to war with each other over any of this current noise.“

          Enuf you should look into the things Americans were writing in the late 1850s and 1860/1861 just before the war began. Many people wrote things just like you, many also wrote things like “Americans aren’t really going to go war with each other, are they? “

        • I don’t want to speak for SC, but I’ve found that people who believe this to be true aren’t necessarily talking about numbers – but numbers may be high for other reasons.
          We have already seen it – progs are doing everything they can to ruin your life if you come up on their radar. Look up Professor Mike Adams to see what happens when you do.
          As for raw numbers – buildings are being set ablaze in the name of BLM. You don’t think noncombatants live in any of those? Black men in trump shirts are being murdered. Local governments are abetting these actions, trying to keep police from doing their jobs – and murder rates are spiking as a side-effect of this new, uncivil war. They won’t be counted as official casualties, but they’ll still be dead. Loss of an income will not do good things for a family either.
          And all it’s going to take is for a major city to sustain damage to major access points (e.g. bridges used for shipping supplies in an just-in-time economy) – maybe in the name of stopping more federal agents from coming in – and in about 4 days the city will be eating itself.
          It isn’t about the number of people willing to take up arms these days, it’s about the number of people who will die as a result of the few who do.

      • Agree with the exception of blaming only Dems. Plenty of us have stood on the sidelines, advocated for compromise after compromise, and/or continued to vote for RHINO’s. I’d suggest that 80-90% of all of us are to blame…

      • Your pessimism is acknowledged, and not at all justified. All we have to do is take a stand, and these warmed over turds masquerading as protesters will flee as fast as their urine soaked socks and bare feet can go.

      • Trump is nothing but a breath of fresh air while we are waterboarded by altruistic people and the diversity they let in.

      • Er…no. You think Joe f’ing Biden and the corruptocrat party are going to uphold the Constitution and the rule of law?

        That warm water dripping down your back isn’t rain, and that former Navy SEAL ought to be ashamed of himself.

        • All I care about Biden is he’ll get rid of Trump, we’ll fight his anti-gun agenda and in 2024 we start over. That’s if he wins.

          If he loses, Trump wins and matters are orders of magnitude worse for the USofA.

          It’s as simple as that.

        • “…orders of magnitude worse.” Why? How? What is it that will actually get worse under Trump than it would under Biden?

          I don’t actually like or trust Trump, but aside from the bump-stock thing (which is almost enough to lose my vote by itself), most of what he’s actually done in the way of governing looks pretty damn good to me. I’d take it over Obama 2.0 or the Biden/Sanders Marxist unity platform or whatever else Creepy Joe drags in on his coattails any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

          The only thing I can think of that will get worse if Trump wins, sure as night follows day, is the behavior of the all the people who truly do hate America. But that’s not really a bad thing. Better to have them out in the open, drawing a bright line for everyone to see, than back to business as usual, covering for all the evil the progressive corruptocrats are up to.

        • enuf:
          If it were that simple, we would not even be having this conversation. This is NOT about Trump. If THAT’s all you care about then THAT’s the problem.

        • Never fear, Donald Trump is fighting the demons that steal your sperm at night and take your hard on!

          “A Houston doctor who praises hydroxychloroquine and says that face masks aren’t necessary to stop transmission of the highly contagious coronavirus has become a star on the right-wing internet, garnering tens of millions of views on Facebook on Monday alone. Donald Trump Jr. declared the video of Stella Immanuel a “must watch,” while Donald Trump himself retweeted the video.
          Before Trump and his supporters embrace Immanuel’s medical expertise, though, they should consider other medical claims Immanuel has made—including those about alien DNA and the physical effects of having sex with witches and demons in your dreams. 

          Immanuel, a pediatrician and a religious minister, has a history of making bizarre claims about medical topics and other issues. She has often claimed that gynecological problems like cysts and endometriosis are in fact caused by people having sex in their dreams with demons and witches. 
          She alleges alien DNA is currently used in medical treatments, and that scientists are cooking up a vaccine to prevent people from being religious. And, despite appearing in Washington, D.C. to lobby Congress on Monday, she has said that the government is run in part not by humans but by “reptilians” and other aliens.”

          In sermons posted on YouTube and articles on her website, Immanuel claims that medical issues like endometriosis, cysts, infertility, and impotence are caused by sex with “spirit husbands” and “spirit wives”—a phenomenon Immanuel describes essentially as witches and demons having sex with people in a dreamworld. 

          “They are responsible for serious gynecological problems,” Immanuel said. “We call them all kinds of names—endometriosis, we call them molar pregnancies, we call them fibroids, we call them cysts, but most of them are evil deposits from the spirit husband,” Immanuel said of the medical issues in a 2013 sermon. “They are responsible for miscarriages, impotence—men that can’t get it up.”

          Dr. Donald Trump is a genius, the smartest guy in the room for sure, just ask him!

        • “…All I need to do is help Trump lose, fight the winner on gun rights for four years, and we get another run at the White House….”

          enuf you are a Son of a B .. itch, because you know the truth of what the Dems will do if they gain the White House (Not to mention the Senate) and you straight out…LIE.

          What will the Dems do with the White House? They said their intentions; this should be easy for you, as you have in the article above figured out how Ceberus used a shell company to destroy Remington.

          They will open the boarders, flooding the country with “new voters” making sure they never lose the White House again. This is how they flipped California (Which then flipped at least 5 nearby states).

          ***** As for gun rights, the Dems said if they gain the Senate the Filibusterer is gone, and with it gun rights. Only 50 Senators and Biden’s VP will be necessary to pass California gun control for everyone.*****

          This is in addition to adding D.C. and Puerto Rico as states, the economy crushing Green New Deal, packing the Supreme Court, “Free” Health Care for anyone in the world, eliminating the Electoral College, plus much much more.

          But what enuf does any of that matter to your hate (and stupidity)?

        • “most of what he’s actually done in the way of governing looks pretty damn good to me.“

          Dr. Trump has diagnosed your problem, a demon has been visiting you in your dreams taking your sperm and causing your wee-wee to go limp while you sleep.

          No you just hush up and take your quinine tabs, and keep those cards and letters coming to our campaign slush fund, Trump/Putin 2020

          Geez oh pezz, what a doofus.

      • Biden can’t even read the, you know the thing,did you know the kids like to play with his leg hairs in the sunlight and the nurses blow air in his nostrils,oh yeah he’s got everything in check.

        • Don’t give a shit. Don’t like Biden. Don’t want him in office. Hope he wins because that means Trump lost.

          Patriotism sometimes demands hard choices. Nobody is asking me to storm a beachhead or take out a Nazi machine gun nest. All I need to do is help Trump lose, fight the winner on gun rights for four years, and we get another run at the White House.

          Good enough.

        • enuf:
          THAT’s the problem. You don’t care about anything else. As long as Trump loses then your happy. It isn’t about guns either way. You just want Trump gone. That’s it. Nothing else matters.

          Trump WILL be. He is not a permanent fixture. But the USA is. You act like the entire thing is about Trump when it’s actually about the future of the USA.

        • If Biden wins and the Dems have any majority in the House and Senate, expect to see the filibuster removed and the Supreme Court expanded and filled with Dems, especially if Trump gets to replace RBG. Simple Dem majority then passes any legislation they want. Heller/MacDonald/Miller get reversed and 2A only applies to National Guard. How do you fight anti-gun policies then? Are you expecting to wait 4 years, win them all back, make the Supreme Court even bigger, and roll back all the policies they made?

      • And with that you’ve finally outed yourself to what you really are. Just like Miner, Chief, and Vlad.

        A Democrat McChrystal Shill.

        • At least John Weaver had the honesty to follow the law and publicly register as a foreign agent.

          How many of trumps administration have been acting as foreign agents without following the law and registering, Rudy Giuliani for one.

          And remember that nice picture with General Michael Flynn sitting next to Vladimir Putin at the dinner table? General Flynn received $40,000 from Russian government television, but failed to register as a foreign agent.

          Our intelligence agencies have information showing that the Russians are offering a bounty to the Taliban for every American servicemen killed in Afghanistan but Donald Trump won’t even raise the issue with his daddy Vladimir Putin, now there’s real patriotic leadership, looking out for the troops!

          You sir, have been snookered by a con man.

          Tell me, did you attend trump university? Do you fly on trump airlines? In the evening, do you enjoy trump steaks and Trump vodka for dinner?

          Probably not, those Trump businesses, like his casinos, are bankrupt. Driven into the ground by his self dealing corruption and incompetence.

        • And Putin’s agent at the White House continues to compromise Europe’s defense against Russia’s imperialistic strategies:

          “The U.S. announced plans to withdraw about 12,000 troops from Germany, a shift that Defense Secretary Mark Esper said would bolster NATO and deter Russia but President Donald Trump signaled was largely about punishing Germany as a defense deadbeat.
          Esper said Wednesday that about 5,600 troops would be redeployed to other nations in Europe, including Italy and Belgium, while 6,400 would return to the U.S. Even as Esper was pitching the strategic benefits of the shift at the Pentagon, Trump was at the White House undercutting the military’s case.”

          Well, so much for Ronald Reagan’s ‘evil empire‘, now Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin will be celebrating soon in Trump Tower in downtown Moscow.

      • If Barkhuff believes that America is a nation of laws, then he would have expressed outrage over the Obama administration’s spying on and setting up of the Trump administration.

        Noone who understands and respects our foundation can give a pass to what Obama, Biden, Comey, etc did in 2016 and 2017.

        Note: The Lincoln Project has been exposed as mercenary grifters. Dan, are you throwing in with them? Is that your legacy?

      • Yet more proof that as there always have been, there is some fucked up thinking in the minds of many of our military. Since Obama stuffed the officer corp with bleeding heart liberals, we see more and more of these ass-wipes showing up and offering their version of diarrhea of the mouth.

        A question – now many freaking former Navy Seals are there? A vegetarian, a homosexual, and a former Navy Seal walk in a bar. How do you know? Because they tell everyone there in the first two damn minutes.

        Speak your mind young man. You have the right – thank God. You might consider not sullying the reputation of the Seals any further.

        • “Since Obama stuffed the officer corp with bleeding heart liberals”

          Please, could you explain just what you mean by that statement? I’d like to hear more about what process President Obama used to “stuff the officer corp”.

          Are you speaking of the bleeding heart liberals who snuffed Osama bin Laden?

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      • Just imagine what you could do if you applied yourself say 16/20 hours a day, hell you’d be a multi millionaire by Christmas AND you wouldn’t have time to plant this bogus fucking scam bullshit that ends up in MY email… HEY,TTAG.. You hold up legit stuff for up to 12 hours and sometimes it just disappears but you allow shit like this??

        • As the former Editor of The Truth About Knives (now Digital Editor at Knife Magazine – http://www.knifemagazine.com) I am willing to give Dan a bit of slack on this one. You have no idea how much spam you need to sift through. It is about 30 minutes a day on average, and that is time you are not creating content.

          Believe me, we all try.

    • Good lord the Democrat funded McChrystal Shills are out in force on this thread. I’ve only got this to say.

      Look everyone, TTAG puts up an article about Trump, then suddenly, a huge wave of self proclaimed “conservatives” show up to voice their support of Biden… 🤣

      Right. Troll away libbies. Earn that dollar hoe.

    • Notice how the democRat Party lint lickers happened to come out of the woodwork all at once to form an impromptu circle jerk to denigrate the POTUS. Chances are good one troll could become five shills.
      One highchair nitwit who thinks he can look down on the POTUS wants to fix it in 2024. Notice the nitwit does not mention any names or provide any details. He has nothing but what he can pull out of his rear end.
      Frankly anyone who assists a marxist democRat in any way stabs Your Rights and America in the back.

  2. > Say what you want about them, but Donald Trump and many Republicans love America and what it stands for.

    He demonstrates, daily, that they care for absolutely nothing but himself. He loathes you. And he only cares about this country as a means to an end: his personal enrichment.

    • “He loathes you.”
      No, ALL men loathe you, because you’re a fat, blue-haired witch with a desiccated, unusable womb.
      Women think you’re a freak, and men hate you.
      Sorry, not sorry.

      • So you attack the messenger (who you know nothing about), rather than refute the claim?

        Bro, I love guns and freedom and I think Biden is a GIANT step backwards and I won’t be voting for him. But that doesn’t mean that Trump isn’t a dumpster fire.

        If you can’t see that you are blind. He may be our best option (currently) but that doesn’t make him a saint.

      • The “mainstream” left, just like the right, cares only about the equality that is popular among their team (blue team and red team).

    • Unlike many Presidents before him, Trump doesn’t get rich off his office. He is losing money serving this Nation.

      How did Clintons make $200 millions and B.H. Obama $50 millions?

      • And yet, I have to listen to Progressives talk about how Trump belongs in jail for using his office to make himself rich…

        There’s no reasoning with most of these people.

      • Well Bill brought home a check from Moscow in the amount of $500k for a speech he gave right after Secretary of State Hillary Clinton denied a request for Russian sanctions. Purely coincidence, right? Totally not buying influence because that would be wrong, and everyone knows how ethical the Clintons are.

        • I don’t understand this logic: the Clintons are bad so Trump is good? They’re all con men, and belong in jail. The rise of Whataboutism has led to the decline of morals and the rule of law.

      • Don’t much care, this has never been about the money.

        Besides, as much as Trump lies about his net worth, the almost half a billion he lost of his father’s fortune, why would I believe anything he says about his money?

        • You don’t. You can observe the results of his actions such as the lowest unemployment rate ( pre-covid) in decades, the return of manufacturing jobs to the USA that some other president said “is gone”, getting the USA out of agreements that hamper our progress or help out enemies (Iran deal, Paris accords) and the fulfillment of a promise several presidents made before him but never did, moving the US embassy in Israel to Jerusalem. If it was not for the roadblocks put in front of him by the Democrats, he would have massively curtailed ILLEGAL immigration as well.

          Yes he lies, yes he is boorish, yes his twitter certainly lacks class. The man for all his millions/billions can’t even buy a tie with a proper length but the man gets results

        • THAT’s the problem….You don’t care much.

          No, it isn’t about money. The size of your bank account is irrelevant. The size of mine is too.

      • Partial list of trumps profit from the presidency provided by open secrets:
        Partial list of trumps profit from the presidency provided by open secrets:

        “Total payments to Trump properties:
        $22,337,934
        From Trump-related committees:
        $17,397,187
        From the Republican party:
        $2,797,512
        From Republican candidates,
        elected officials and leadership PACs:

        $1,293,661
        From Democrats:
        $38,847

        Top committees spending money at Trump properties
        Committee Party Amount
        Donald J Trump for President R $14,848,983
        Republican National Cmte R $2,633,747
        Trump Victory R $2,546,164
        America First Action $542,922
        Great America Cmte R $237,731
        Protect the House R $232,838
        Senate Leadership Fund $94,627
        National Republican Congressional Cmte R $82,057
        Women Vote Smart $54,877
        Rudy Giuliani Presidential Cmte R $53,686“

        • Those numbers represent expenditures of various groups at Trump owned properties, They do not represent a direct profit to Trump… But hey, thanks for showing you are still concerned about educating the lower life forms even if it is with your usual deflection/disinformation, copy/paste bullshit, oh well.. Try again..

    • jsled,
      You haven’t been paying attention to…reality. Forbes estimated Trump had already lost $200 million by 2018 due solely to running for and becoming president. That figure doesn’t include lost opportunities like international deals which they voluntarily gave up on. His companies also couldn’t access the virus relief funds like other major organizations could, putting his business on an uneven playing field. I thought you lefties hated that sort of thing.

      As far as democrats having a monopoly on compassion, that is pure propaganda. I could write a book on this, but I’ll be brief. Trump doesn’t punch down to the American citizens like Obama, Hillery, and Biden. Trump goes after the elite, including the lying press that spent 3 years telling us Trump colluded with Russia and stole the election. Those liars rode that propaganda wagon all the way to victory in the 2018 mid-terms. That was all they talked about then. Now, they can’t be bothered to talk about, not only why they were wrong, but the criminal and unethical behavior surrounding it (because they’re aren’t interested in a story unless it hurts Trump).

      Democrats punching down to Americans
      Obama: “desperate clingers”
      Hillary: “basket of deplorables”
      Biden (when he isn’t challenging someone to a fight): “Lying dog-faced pony soldier”

      Hey, it’s almost like they don’t care about us. If you think that’s bad, you should look into their policies that helped to destroy middle class America, and their plans to seal the deal.

      • “Partial list of trumps profit from the presidency provided by open secrets:

        “Total payments to Trump properties:
        $22,337,934
        From Trump-related committees:
        $17,397,187
        From the Republican party:
        $2,797,512
        From Republican candidates,
        elected officials and leadership PACs:

        $1,293,661
        From Democrats:
        $38,847

        Top committees spending money at Trump properties
        Committee Party Amount
        Donald J Trump for President R $14,848,983
        Republican National Cmte R $2,633,747
        Trump Victory R $2,546,164
        America First Action $542,922
        Great America Cmte R $237,731
        Protect the House R $232,838
        Senate Leadership Fund $94,627
        National Republican Congressional Cmte R $82,057
        Women Vote Smart $54,877
        Rudy Giuliani Presidential Cmte R $53,686“

        • Both history and accounting, don’t have room for original thought, it’s a record of events.

          I understand most here would have a problem with copy and paste, it doesn’t give you opportunity to fudge the numbers were spin the facts.

          Trump has made plenty of money during his presidency, the interesting angle to his financials is his debt load to China.

          “ Trump’s outstanding debt was at least $650 million in August 2016, in addition to an outstanding loan of $950 million to the Bank of China and Deutsche Bank (among other creditors) on 1290 Avenue of the Americas, in which Trump is a minority owner.[33] In April 2020 it is reported Trump is tens of millions of dollars in debt to China. In 2012, Trump’s real estate partner refinanced Trump Tower for almost $1 billion. The debt includes $211 million from the state-owned Bank of China, which matures in 2022. Trump owns a 30% stake in Trump Tower.[35][36][37]

          Trump reported a yearly income of $362 million for 2014[38] and $611 million from January 2015 to May 2016.[39][39] Trump and his family reported more than $500 million of income in mid-2018 financial disclosure forms.”

          China sure does hold a lot of paper on his ‘empire‘.

      • Hi McChrystal ….and Hi to your web bot Scott, and web bot DK.

        Trump has been the most conservative President in generations.

        Results matter to Conservatives.

    • Unfortunately we’re short on good options this election cycle, we need more moderate politicians with strong bases of support to become viable candidates over the next 4 yrs…

      • IMHO, we don’t need any more politicians. We need statesmen.

        A politician puts his own interests first, above those of the people.
        A statesman puts the peoples’ interests first, above his own.

      • Moderates stand for nothing. Have you read the book “Great Moderates in American History?”
        I didn’t think so, because they don’t exist.

    • lol that shits funny.
      I’m in rural Quebec and we haven’t voted Dem in 500 years but this time we have to because orange man really really bad and conscience and morals and ethics and cable tv and whatever. hurr durr we roll with joe.

      • I’m sorry you have to see us like this, Canada. Orange Man/ PP grabber is real bad. I’m not convinced Biden is better.

        I think the responsible thing to do is get out of this binary blue or red mindset. I’ll continue to vote libertarian in the hopes that one day we’ll have 3 options to choose from.

        • 3 options to choose from? You already have 40 or more in most states- have you ever looked at the ballot??? If you want 3 viable candidates, you’re also looking to elect some freak with only 34% of the vote. That’ll really fix all of the partisanship and under-represented, dis-enfranchised people. Brilliant! While everyone is entitled to their opinion, there ought to be some basis in knowledge and common sense in forming those opinions if convincing others of yours is what you seek… To begin with- what even makes you think you’d be in that 34%?

          Idiot people all around this site who think somehow there will come forth a candidate who will propose or agree with everything the voter will want. How in the hell do you ever get along with your spouse? You always agree with him/her/it? Or anyone, or anything else? 51% is a starting point, anything higher than that is a bonus. No wonder the more conservative side has a tough time winning elections- uninformed geniuses argue among each other endlessly looking for something that cannot exist. And on the left? They’ll happily vote for anyone who isn’t a conservative or traditional American- even and especially for those who want to burn their own nation down.

        • By your logic, there are far more than 40 options. Don’t forget, you can pencil in Kanye if you really want to! But yeah, I meant at least 3 viable options. And your math only applies to the popular vote, in which case Hillary would have won in 2016. Yikes!

          If you must know, I’m happily married. But keep propogating misinformation and throwing out personal attacks like POTUS. Good work!

        • “…I’ll continue to ̶v̶o̶t̶e̶ ̶l̶i̶b̶e̶r̶t̶a̶r̶i̶a̶n̶ ̶ bash my head against a concrete wall in the hopes that one day we’ll have 3 options to choose from…”

          Fixed that for you! YW!

          BTW…Write to us from the Left’s Re-education Camps…ok?

        • Oh yeah. Good call, Red. That must’ve been what I meant.

          No need to write though. You’ll know how I’m doing from the sting of my purple whip on your red neck.

        • Wow that whip comment said it all. What a very Leftist thing to say…

          Already have your (purple) whip assigned?

          Guess you are preparing to be a Aufseherin or a Kapo at the camps.

        • Yeah, I’m told I’ll get preferential treatment for not committing a crime against humanity (voting for Trump). When the work day is over and I think you’ve had enough of the whip, look forward to my warm breath and gentle touch of my left hand. Shhh… It’ll be ok, Red. It’ll be ok.

        • DK what a typical angry leftist. Complains Craig is “throwing out personal attacks” and then three posts later talks about being a Nazi guard in a concentration camp, whipping and raping people.

        • No, Red started the camp fantasy. I only finished it.

          As for rapping, I don’t have the skill set. But I do enjoy it in my playlist more and more lately.

        • It’s obvious you’re not the sharpest tool dk, or you would have realized that post you answered from Shire was sarcasm. You took a knee and said you were sorry ( to Canada ) to a sarcastic comment..

          However, even pretending in jest to be part of the horrific extermination of over 6 million people is sick and revolting.

          Not much of a surprise you have a problem with Trump.

        • No Red, you started the sick fantasy of putting me in a camp. Good to know it’s OK for you to head down a dark path, but pretend you think it’s offensive when you get bested.

          I’ll let you have the last word now. Your supreme intellect has convinced me to vote for P.P. Grabber no matter what comes next. Thanks for helping me through all this.

      • You haven’t been paying attention. The conservatives and independents that will vote against Trump do not care what Biden’s positions are. We all know if he wins we will have to work against his legislative agenda, just as we always have to do when any Democrat is in the White House.

        So there’s that, back to the same old fight we all know well. At least the Republic will be safe from Trump, that’s the main thing.

        Everything else can be fought for as it has always been fought for, in Congress, where all Presidential Big Plans go to die.

        Or did you think Biden was going to win and carry along Senators and Representatives to gain a 2/3’s majority of seats in both houses of Congress?

        Not.Going.To.Happen.

        • Other than mean tweets, boasts, and boorish behavior, what are you so scared of from Trump? I don’t love the guy, but there’a nothing about him that makes me think electing Biden and then trying to undo everything I just voted for would make any sense at all… Trump’s a flawed guy, but far better on policy than I would have thought. And the alternative, Democrats… well, simply put, they HATE me. They hate who I am, they hate me for my race, they hate me for my love of country, and they hate the things I love and care for. I know how much they hate me because I work at a university: the burned out, cratered aftermath of a battle we lost decades ago, the training field for blue-haired brown shirts.

          No, Trump isn’t the one holding a knife to my throat and a gun to my head, threatening to deprive me of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Trump isn’t the one encouraging murderers and arsonists to destroy courts and churches and our history. Trump isn’t the one bowing and scraping to foreign enemies, much as the Democrats like to lie and project about that. So I know who I’m scared of and why, and it sure isn’t Trump.

          I don’t understand your fear at all.

        • So I know who I’m scared of and why, and it sure isn’t Trump.

          You could be the NEXT victim, outed, forced to resign, strangely committing suicide right after you ink a $500,000.00 cash retirement deal… Hmmm a conservative on a college campus truly a dying breed…. Careful, you every reason to fear…

        • Yes sir Trump and his entire family are just as honest as the day is long, and haven’t profited at all illegally.

          “A New York judge has ruled that President Trump must pay $2 million in damages to settle claims that the Trump Foundation misused funds. The money will go to a group of charities, and the foundation is in the process of dissolving.

          The case is tied to a televised fundraiser for veterans held by Trump in Iowa when he was running for president in January 2016. Trump had said the funds raised would be distributed to charities. But according to court documents, the Trump Foundation improperly used $2.82 million it received from that fundraiser.

          According to the judgment, that money “was used for Mr. Trump’s political campaign and disbursed by Mr. Trump’s campaign staff, rather than by the Foundation,” which is unlawful. However, Justice Saliann Scarpulla says the funds did eventually reach charity organizations supporting veterans.

          Trump Foundation To Dissolve Amid New York Attorney General’s Investigation
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          Trump Foundation To Dissolve Amid New York Attorney General’s Investigation
          “The Trump Foundation has shut down, funds that were illegally misused are being restored, the president will be subject to ongoing supervision by my office, and the Trump children had to undergo compulsory training to ensure this type of illegal activity never takes place again,” New York Attorney General Letitia James, whose office filed the case, said in a statement. “The court’s decision, together with the settlements we negotiated, are a major victory in our efforts to protect charitable assets and hold accountable those who would abuse charities for personal gain.”

          You have been fooled by a con man.

        • “You are going to have a very un-merry christmas.”

          That all you got?

          You’re not even going to try to defend Donald Trump and his family, explain why he was stealing millions from disabled veterans?

          Yeah, just ignore it, that’s so patriotic, Huzzah!

        • Dems already have a majority in the House, so they just need to keep what they hold. Flipping 4 Senate seats gives them a simple majority there. If they decide they don’t want the filibuster rule, they can eliminate it. Then, they don’t need 2/3 majority. They could pass anything they want without any input or impediment from Republicans. Then how do you fight their changes, other than hope Republicans can take everything back in 2024, or start a war?

    • Strong Conservative? You look and sound like a self serving, politically inept democRat Party lint licker or exactly like the twerp whose moniker is enuf…what a pos he is.

        • Imagine being the poor geezer that lays down with that miserable, foul mouthed crone!

        • I don’t think any of us planned to imagine that. But it’s good to know where your head’s at, Debbie.

        • You’re welcome…Speaking of having an effect on minds look at the loser who stoops to steal my moniker. That’s expected from someone with a small mind like enuf who wears a propeller cap and dreams of the day when he can exchange photos with anthony weiner…poor poor enuf thinks contributing to himself is contributing to America and it angers him to hear that fact.

        • To me she sounds like a woman as they say, to ride the river with, one that would have your back.

        • Debbie is part of the reason I have never voted for the two parties. It’s people like her on the right, and people like you see in all blue cities burning them to the ground on the left.

          I’ll just never do it. I’ll never support either side enough to give them a vote. I’d rather “throw it away” at someone actually middle grounded. I mean, you are throwing it away anyways because no vote is going to change what this country will go through in the next decade, and if you are not already prepared to lose everything then you might as well make sure you save those last rounds for you and your loved ones to commit self die, because you won’t make it. Nobody is going to help you. Certainly not a politician.

        • My apologies for sounding blue, Montana. I have 4 cans in jail right now and I’ll vote libertarian like I did almost 4 years ago. Keep on keepin’ on.

        • @DK I just scrolled down after seeing your Nazi rape fantasies above, I;m pretty sure after reading that you shouldn’t be giving Debbie any shit.

    • Scott & DK
      Your both full of shit. If you can’t vote forTrump then you might as well turn in your guns now and get it over with.Your not conservatives at all because there is no other choice this election. Any other vote or no vote is a vote for the left or are you to stupid to understand that?

      • I always thought of being conservative as staying true to my values. I think it’s important to separate that concept from being part of a clique, like being Republican. I’d like the Republican candidates to earn my vote, not just just hug the flag or hold a bible in front of a church to get my blood pumping.

        But my apologies for sharing my shitty opinion. Please, carry on.

        • Men sacrifice even when the odds are against them. Death before dishonor. No reason to fear death if you are a believer in God. Another Democrat in office is not the end of the world, it’s only the beginning of an awakening from the right.

        • I really don’t like a lot of things repubs do either but at this point it’s the only choice conservatives have. Rinos are the worst there are. I expect shit from dems but the backstabbing rinos are the worst. Its always been voting for the lesser asshole. I never liked Trump but I despise hillary and biden is no better. No need to apologize you are entitled to your opinion. For now.

        • “Men sacrifice even when the odds are against them. Death before dishonor.”

          And that is why we will win.

          We follow Gen. Patton’s advice, the object is not to die for your country, but to make the other poor son of a bitch die for his country.

          If you’re dying, you’re doing it wrong.

      • I’m not at all full of shit. I’ve put a lot of thought and careful consideration into the decision. We’ve had four years to listen to and observe President Trump. I respect your opinion. I just can’t bring myself to vote for a racist person.

        Furthermore, he has been a terrible president overall. You can quibble about policy, but his accomplishments are few, and the tenor of his leadership has been borderline foul.

        Thankfully, history will treat him very poorly.

      • “If you can’t vote forTrump then you might as well turn in your guns now and get it over with.”

        Or you could just wait for Donald Trump to take your guns:

        “Why don’t we just take the guns first and worry about the courts later.“ DJT

        Have you turned in your bump stock as president Donald Trump has ordered? Or did he make you a felon for exercising your liberty?

    • Your Utopia is never coming. Ronald Reagan supported the Mulford Act as California governor. The “conservatives” always conveniently forget that part. And IT should be said that white Liberal gun owners supported the Mulford Act as well.

      In fact the racist Liberal whites who control California now publicly endorsed the Mulford Act.

      Trump 2020!!!

      • Right now I see way more Democrats defending people like Garrett Foster. They are defending the first and second amendments more than the Liberal Republicans who want Trump are.

        Record guns sale are because of the left. If the left is forming militias and open carrying “assault” rifles, there is no way Biden could pass gun control. Biden is a racist and an old dirty man. Black people and women will not put up with him passing gun control, but Republicans will argue Trump’s gun control is 4D chess.

        Under Obama things were much better. He couldn’t get the gun control he wanted even after little kids were murdered in mass. The Bundy standoffs were won by the people when Obama decided to pull the federal troops back so there wouldn’t be an insurrection. We had pandemics from China but no economic shut downs.

        The Republicans have to be forced off the couch for things to get done. The only way they will get up is when there is someone they don’t like in office. Same applies to the NRA (haven’t seen them in a long time).

        • Let me tell you that very few blacks believe Obama helped blacks in general. They do know he helped white LGBTQxyz crowd. But he only made matters worse for poor people.

          And he is a 1/2 black racist who thinks poor law abiding black people don’t need guns.

        • Let me tell you that very few blacks believe Obama helped blacks in general. They do know he helped the white LGBTQxyz crowd. But he only made matters worse for poor people.

          And he is a 1/2 black racist who thinks poor law abiding black people don’t need guns.

        • Do you remember the H1N1 flu pandemic during Obama‘s administration?

          In 18 months, total deaths 12,000.

          Under Republican president Donald Trump, the democratic hoax virus has killed more than 150,000 Americans in just six months.

          That is quite a surprising total for a hoax, but many people are saying it could only happen under Donald Trump’s administration.

        • “But he only made matters worse for poor people.”

          There is an interesting assertion, I certainly would like to learn more about that.

          Perhaps you would be kind enough to provide the information and evidence that substantiate your claim.

          Thanks!

        • If you think Biden is a “racist”, I’m gonna guess that you are probably pretty young and have lived the vast majority of your life in a major metropolitan area (not that there is anything wrong with that). That guy ain’t nothin compared to what’s out there. He holds the exact same views (his actual views) of almost every member of his racial, generational and class peer group.

      • For those who do not know, the Mulford Act ended the right of Californians to carry guns. Reagan supported it, the NRA at the time supported it. It was 1967, and it was supported by both political parties.

        Most people are ignorant as a brick of their own history, but they arrogantly think themselves experts.

    • No, you aren’t a strong conservative. Our options for 2020 are Trump or Biden. If you can’t vote Trump 2020, you aren’t helpful. I actually am a strong conservative, and support as many conservative politicians as possible, including Trump. He’s the most conservative on the ballot, therefore he gets my vote. If he does something I don’t like, I use his contact like I do for multiple politicians.

      Your complaints here are just as “helpful” as your vote for Biden.

      • It will be really interesting to see how much you love Trump after he causes the loss of the Senate and the presidency. I’m not voting for Biden I’m voting specifically against him. This is after a lot of careful consideration.

        • You’re voting for the radical left. Biden is a Trojan horse. He’s not a moderate. He’ll be pushed even further left by the AOC wing who are quickly becoming the majority of the democrat party. If you care about the constitution or founding principles of this country you can’t justify a vote for any democrat.

    • Well I hope youre happy being complicit in aiding those who want to destroy us by not voting in the last actual election that will happen in our country. There will never be another conservative elected in the US after this election (regardless of the outcome) and this silent majority bullshit is just cowering hoping things will go away. You are part of the problem.

      • How old are you? Too old to wait another four years to fight back against your government? Should we wait until you die to start cleaning house?

        Cowards run from the inevitable.

    • Everyone I knew that was okay with the “outsider” winning no longer wants him as president. The older people are so pissed that he lied to them about the virus and masks. The youth hate him.

      It’s hard to see Trump winning since the pandemic hit and the civil unrest sparked off. He handled everything the worse way he could. It was very predictable. It’s as if he watched V for Vendetta and thought it was an a live action instruction manual.

      People wearing masks and dressing in black, a cop did something stupid, things turned nasty, then Trump was forced to do the only thing he knows how to do…

      Life shouldn’t be like a movie.

    • If Trump does not get re-elected there will never be another chance for a Conservative to win an election. While you may not like him if he does not win….forget about a Conservative future.

      • If Trump wins the damage he has done will be multiplied. I can deal with opposing Biden’s legislative plans for guns. I cannot do a damn thing to oppose Trump’s daily incompetence on every issue should he win.

        If we never have a Conservative President, it will be the fault of Trump and his supporters for doing such ruinous damage to the conservative cause. Many were the warnings in the 2016 election season, but even his attacks on veterans and the parents of service members killed in combat could not sway you people.

        If the worst happens, take a look in the mirror, you did it four years ago and now it’s time to pay for your poor judgement.

        • Yeah great 2A strategy. What’s wrong with you? How exactly will you fight a gun ban and universal background checks and registration? Biden or the people actually making the decisions will also likely have two or more Supreme Court picks. Wake up.

    • Hopefully, you can bask in the warmth of your self-righteousness as your dragged off to reeducation camp.
      “At least I didn’t vote for the bad orange man.” Hope that brings you solace.

    • Then don’t, Scott. Joe will appreciate it.
      You’ll be sorry in the end. We all will be.

      It’s a shame what some people consider to be conservative republicans didn t run in 16. The other candidates had their shot and voters rejected them.

      Do tell us a name of a proper conservative capable of winning .

    • If not Trump, it’s Biden. Are you ok with that?
      And the Clinton’s come back too….and their friends (minus Jeffrey).

      • 100% comfortable voting against Trump. It is really hard for me to think of someone who would make a worse president.

        • Want help? Obama was much worse and then there was the absolute CLUSTER FUCK of Bush. Those weren’t ancient history.

        • Want help? Obama was much worse and then there was the absolute CLUSTER FUCK of Bush. Those weren’t ancient history.

          Man we could roll that pony cart all the way the hell back to Truman…

    • “strong conservative” not voting for Trump.
      Your a fucking idiot & troll.
      You’re a prissy cuck that probably has bunched panties over his tweets.
      Trump is hated by the Democrats and most of the phoney Republicans.
      In other words he’s hated by all the folks that you should be hating if you’re really conservative.

    • Scott:
      “(Stupid) conservative here. Absolutely can’t vote for Trump. Hopefully we can fix it in 2024.”

      There. I fixed it.

    • There is no viable 3rd party option in 2020. Voting for other than Republican or Democrat, or refusing to vote, is just abdicating your decision to everyone else. If your fine with Dems passing anything they want for at least 2 years, including packing federal and Supreme Courts, then you can happily accept the results and say, “At least I didn’t vote for Trump in an attempt to stop this.”

  3. “Not only that, but they will prosecute you for defending yourself, your family and your home.”

    This is one of those things that makes me wonder about how it would shake out. If it came to that point and did so in this country, not some other country I sort of suspect that a fair number of people would just take a “Fuck it” attitude that would result in the life expectancy for LE, prosecutors and government officials dropping drastically.

    You can get awaybwith this kind of thing only for so long before the pushback becomes violent.

    • The closer the election comes the more I worry.

      When President Trump is reelected I think the metro areas will explode with violence, more than we’ve seen so far.

      Those in the cities that have a mind to need to get out now.

      • And this is why I trolled Nate Silver yesterday.

        Good ol’ “30% Nate”. Good stats guy, especially in baseball but a dumbfuck when it comes to politics.

        • A truly cutting reply and a witty handle there, bud.

          Lol. Fucking smoothbrains think they’re hot shit when they discover ellipsis, give them a few years and they find out about elipses.

      • I absolutely agree, as do my LEO friends, who say their departments here in L.A. are preparing for exactly that scenario.

        A couple of weeks ago, a group of men (not protest related, but not law-abiding in any case) walked to the end of our street and started shooting. It might have been target shooting, but the last gun-related crime in our corner of the woods was 18 years ago, so we weren’t accustomed to hearing gunfire. I called 911, who actually caught some of the muzzle reports on the recorded audio and expedited the call to LASD Dispatch. Everybody scooped their kids inside from their front yards and grabbed their own guns, watching through window blinds as those three strange men walked back through our neighborhood.

        It was 30+ minutes before Deputies arrived, and they couldn’t have been more bored with the whole thing. I would have thought that active gunfire in a suburban neighborhood would have brought a more robust response, but unless there’s a body in the street or an Amber/child alert, the Deputies said they just don’t have the time to respond to most calls anymore. If the 911 Operator had not captured some of the gunshots as audio evidence, the Deputies would never have even shown up.

        That brings to mind the nagging question…if/when anything goes hot and one of us is forced to perforate a bad guy, what would be the LE follow up, if any?

        • clear your mind. worrying about the aftermath can get you or your loved ones killed. Do what you know needs doing and let the lawyers sort it later. If there is a later.

        • You know what they were doing? Testing response time. Not that it matters, a big enough distraction on the other side of town and your homes are free game. You can bet they were taking notes on their way out too. Where do you live? Were they masked? Did they look like larpers? I’d be sleeping with one eye open, or honestly, I’d probably just be sitting on the porch all night for a while. But that’s also why I live far enough away from suburbia…

        • You know, Montana, that’s something I need to seriously think over. Testing response time. Boy, I hope not.

        • Montana Actual,

          I believe You are on the right track.

          And those guys may have been testing the steeliness / resolve / coordination of the neighbors as well.

        • “Boy, I hope not.”

          There’s a better than 50% shot that Montana is spot on with this assessment. There’s a number of reasons that I say that, but I’m not going to type them all out, so I’d rate it as a reasonable concern. Not a certainty but it’s more likely than not IMHO. Probing stuff like this being pretty standards world-wide for semi-intelligent people.

          You sort of have to wonder if the Metcalf and subsequent “attacks” play into this sort of thing in the future.

      • “I think the metro areas will explode with violence”

        And that is bad why? Just think of it as urban renewal and it will all make sense.

  4. Remember…these are tough times, and we will see darker days before the storm clouds are able to part to let the sun shine though again. For those who know LOTR, I give you Samwise Gamgee’s classic pep talk to downtrodden Frodo:

    ****

    It’s like in the great stories Mr. Frodo.
    The ones that really mattered.
    Full of darkness and danger they were,
    and sometimes you didn’t want to know the end.
    Because how could the end be happy.
    How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad happened.

    But in the end, it’s only a passing thing, this shadow.
    Even darkness must pass.
    A new day will come.
    And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer.
    Those were the stories that stayed with you.
    That meant something.
    Even if you were too small to understand why.
    But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand.
    I know now.
    Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn’t.
    Because they were holding on to something.

    That there’s some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it’s worth fighting for.

    – Samwise Gamgee

  5. Now to be sure, in that interview, Tammy Duckworth did not call Washington and Jefferson traitors. She referred to Trumps speech concerned about protecting Confederate statues and names made at Mount Rushmore, and she referred to those dead Confederates as traitors. CNN tried to steer her towards breaking with the left in repeatedly saying that many on the left want to take down Washinton’s monuments and statues… “what do you think about that?”. And Duckworth always dodged. The most she would say is that we have to “listen to everyone’s opinion”.

    • She referred to Trumps speech concerned about protecting Confederate statues and names made at Mount Rushmore, and she referred to those dead Confederates as traitors.

      And that is a big fucking lie.
      There wasn’t a single mention of the word conferederate.
      A charge completely out of whole cloth.

      Read the speech right here.
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-south-dakotas-2020-mount-rushmore-fireworks-celebration-keystone-south-dakota/

      Show us the line where Trump “protecting confederate statues”
      And oh by the way, I would still support protectinhg historical artifacts even if he did say it.
      We’re supposed to be better than the goat-fucking Taliban destroying artwork.

      But yeah the biggest problem is her just flat out lying and fabricating things that Trump never said.
      In other words, FAKE NEWS as usual.

      • His speech doesn’t say anything to exclude Confederates from “every statue, symbol, and memory of our national heritage”, “our history, our heritage, and our great heroes”, “statues and monuments to … many others”, etc., so it’s not an unreasonable interpretation as Confederate statues are a main focus of the vandals, and his other statements have defended Confederate monuments and military base names.

        Whether it’s lying or merely reasonable interpretation based on context, you DO seem to agree that Sen. Duckworth was addressing Confederate statues, not Washington and Jefferson as Mr. Boch claims. But, sure, she just loathes the America she lost 2 legs fighting for.

        • Fungi, Tammy Duckworth has more courage and resilience then you’ll ever know.

          But please, by all means, continue the Republicans assault on America’s heroes.

  6. 2nd Amendment rights have not been advanced at all in the past 4 years despite the fact that the GOP held the Senate, Presidency, House and had majority appointments to SCOTUS for 2 of those years. Thanks to the bump stock ban and red flag laws that Trump supported, we saw more gun control under 4 years of Trump than under 8 years of Obama. Yet the same tired old people will pretend like you’ve got to keep voting for the same people because they think you’re blind or insane enough to keep doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results. The very same thing they warned about when Obama was elected that didn’t happen.

    Of course, back then we also heard about how if Trump won Obama was going to ‘cancel’ elections and take a third term or some nonsense. Yet the same people who went batshit crazy back then now don’t bat an eye when the wanna-be dictator in office says he “might” respect election results.

    Meanwhile, he touts medical advice from a Nigerian witch doctor that believes demons sex causes medical problems, doctors are injecting people with alien DNA, reptilians exist and magic 8 balls are actually psychic.

    This from the party of Reagan .

    • Are you telling me my magic 8 ball isn’t the all knowing super dupper greatest power in the universe?Damn now what do I do ? Reagan was no threat either.

      • And I’m to believe Biden with House and Senate majorities isn’t going to pass any either? What world are you living in? Trump is kind of ambivalent about 2A rights, but the Dems are outright hostile to them. Where I those federal Red Flag laws that you condemn Trump for? I know he made off-the-cuff comments supporting them, but he didn’t do anything to actually drive changes. I can guarantee they will exist if Biden is elected and the Republicans don’t hold the Senate.

  7. I made up my mind on this long ago. The insanity from the left has only served to solidify my vote for Trump.

    The thing I find so hilarious is the instantaneous fly-off-the-handle ridiculousness in the left’s reaction to every little thing Trump might say. Especially on Twitter. None of it scores points with me. It’s actually more of a turn off. Democrats and the major media set themselves up for Trump to tweak them. They never even seem to understand that he’s doing it.

    Trump has done more to keep his promises than anyone else I’ve ever seen in Washington throughout my lifetime.

    • McCain was such a standup guy that he defeated the Obamacare repeal just so Trump wouldn’t get a win. He made all Americans suffer just for his petty ego. That’s pretty close to evil, and definitely poor representation of your constituents.

  8. I’m sorry, I can’t vote for Trump.

    I love America. I majored in American History. I support the military, the police, capitalism, the Bill of Rights, and the rule of law. I believe everything Dr. Fauci says is true. Americans of the past have done many awful things (reneging on treaties with Native Americans, African slavery, Japanese internment camps, McCarthyism, etc.) but Americans have also done amazing things.

    Yeah, but Trump, is the worst. I never forgave him for insulting John McCain. I will never forgive him for betraying our Kurdish allies in Syria. I will never forgive him for punishing leaders for speaking truth while protecting bullies and murderers. Trump is no better than Putin, Xi Jin Ping, or Kim Jong Un. I would take anybody over Trump… Jeb, Mitt, the Rock,… maybe even Joe (Grrrr).

      • No he’s wrong. And mcstain was a pos. Being a vet makes it hard for me to say that but history is what it is. Until they cancel it. MAGA 2020

        • I remember what McCain and his family did to Sara Palin. She never hurt anyone, always showed respect all the while they were disrespectful toward her.
          The last straw was not allowing her to attend his funeral. It just showed me how petty he and his family were/are. I can’t believe I voted for him.
          May God forgive him as he forgave others. I wonder if he knew there’s a prayer that goes something like that.

        • McCain was such an unrepentant douche, he made it his last act to go to the grave giving the finger.

        • Victoria:
          “I can’t believe I voted for (McCain).”

          Don’t feel bad. I happens all of us some time or other. For instance, I can’t believe I voted for Lyndon Johnson. Should have had my head examined. BUT, I think I’m better now.

          P.S. I like Sara Palin too.

        • I can’t believe I voted for Lyndon Johnson.

          Hell, I can beat that, I voted for the Peanut Farmer (can’t bring myself to mention his name) BUT I sent myself to a re-education camp (got out of California) and I’m all better now

        • MADDMAXX:

          Compared to Lyndon Johnson, the peanut farmer was a class act, but that ain’t saying much.

    • John McCain was a RINO partially responsible for giving us Obama. What many people don’t realize or refuse to see is that were it not for Obama/Clinton, we would not have a Presedent Trump. He is there because they were there. McCain might have been a patriot but that never made him a leader.

      • And here I thought it was a just system of affirmative action that allowed 80,000 people in 3 states to overturn the will of 3,000,000 nationwide. But apparently even though he lost the popular vote, i.e. the will of the American people by 3,000,000, his installation was the will of the American people.

        • Go back and watch the video of that night. McCain did not really WANT to win. That was why he had so much internal confrontation with Sarah Palin. He gave it up a little too easily. He had no real fight in him to win.

        • overturn the will of 3,000,000 nationwide.

          It was not 3,000,000 Nationwide.. The Hildabeast won California and New York by a total of 5,000,000 votes (3,500,000 in Ca alone and 1,500,000 in NY rounded) yet NATIONWIDE Trump was able to overcome a big chunk of that deficit and beat her ass overwhelmingly in the Electoral College (why we have it) by 77 votes… I personally don’t want two of the most liberal states (and the MOST screwed up) in the country to dictate policy for the entire country.. Just look how they are run and ask yourself if that’s how you want to live.. If the answer is yes you can jump on any northern tier Interstate and head east or anything from I-80 south to the gulf and head west and drive til you run into one or the other, I’m pretty sure California MIGHT welcome an actual American citizen and I KNOW New York will take anyone since they’ve been bleeding tax payers for several years now… Sounds like you’ll fit right in…

    • John McCain was a warmonger. A man who had no qualms about leveraging his sacrifices as a moral pretext to send others off to war. If he had his way we’d be involved in a shooting war with the Syrian government and Iran right now. He learned nothing from the debacle that was Vietnam, or the debacle that was Iraq. Same goes for the rest of the Republican (and Democratic) establishments. They don’t care about us, we’re just tax livestock to them.

      I’m through sacrificing for people on the other side of the globe and I am not going to send someone in my stead. Nor am I going to be too pleased as the state devalues my savings through inflation in order to maintain this stupid empire of ours.

      And before I am lambasted as a coward I am an OEF veteran (2004-2005), spend four years in the regular army and national guard (19D and 11B, respectfully) and another six years as a DOD civilian and spent even more time in Afghanistan (2011-2013)

      • Brandan:
        “I’m through sacrificing for people on the other side of the globe and I am not going to send someone in my stead. Nor am I going to be too pleased as the state devalues my savings through inflation in order to maintain this stupid empire of ours.”

        Amen!

    • McCain was a piece of human detritus. He was the first RINO in line to betray conservatives and gun rights every time. If you think he was a great man either you have not looked into anything about him or you are a RINO who doesn’t actually care about his rights or the US. Every politician in Washington for 40 years has betrayed the Kurds. And if you think Trump is on par with actual dictators you are completely out of touch with reality. Take your Aricept boomer, or get *ucked shill.

      • I really brought the A Team tonight, eh? More to come. New and improved trolls from around the world, genuine repentant ‘strong conservatives’ and fellow gun owners. Honest.

        Thinking about next 100 days has me twisting my nipple rings with delight.

    • “I never forgave him for insulting John McCain.”

      McCain deserved everything that was said and a whole lot more. Among his crimes and other misdeeds:
      1. Doing propaganda while a prisoner in North Vietnam for preferential treatment
      2. Divorcing his wife who patiently waited for him while he was in captivity
      3. Keating 5 member
      4. His warmongering

      “I will never forgive him for betraying our Kurdish allies in Syria.”
      They were never our allies. What mutual defense treat did we ever sign with them?

      “I will never forgive him for punishing leaders for speaking truth while protecting bullies and murderers.”
      Empty rhetoric on your part.

      There are an awful lot of “conservatives” and Second Amendment supporters” suddenly here who want us to vote against our own interests.

  9. It boils down to Americans versus un American Marxist’s,same as the next civil, revolutionary war,it’s in the beginning stage at the moment.

  10. Joe Biden and many Democrats loathe America

    If awareness of stuff is a prime requisite for loving, loathing or having basically any feeling at all about something, doesn’t that pretty much eliminate Creepy Uncle Joe from the equation on either side? Dude doesn’t even know where he is unless someone whispers in his ear or runs it on a teleprompter…

  11. If you’re not voting for Trump then you’re voting socialism/fascism/communism this election. It really is that simple.

    • Ya know, I had an idea that I would take the time to type out my thoughts on this whole shit show. I’d explain what I’ve seen happen to this country in the last 30 years or so and how it’s become clear blah…blah…blah.

      What you said is the simple, clear as water truth of it all for me.

    • Yep, It’s bigger than Trump now.

      Trumps most lasting legacy (so far) will be….
      1) Causing the Left to lose their shit and drop their mask
      2) Revealing the Deep State

  12. President Trump’s heroism in ‘Nam, coupled with the fact he’s a morally upstanding self made man, make him worthy of our collective awe deference and respect!

    • We hired Trump to serve us as a President to get stuff done that he promised he will do and to not get stuff done to us that he promised not to do. Not to celebrate how great person he is, or to reward him.

      He did his level best to deliver on his campaign promises, which is more that can be said for most politicians on both sides of the aisle. To get anything done under the unceasing torrent of attack from nevertrumpers, leftists and mainstream media (sorry for repeating myself) is no mean feat by itself.

      • “We hired Trump to serve us as a President to get stuff done that he promised he will do”

        OK, let’s see, Mexico didn’t pay for the wall but Trump did make 1 million Americans felons.

        Whatever happened to that whole infrastructure week thingy?

        And I was really relieved to hear that there were “only 15 cases of Covid and soon that number will be close to zero, because it’s just going to go away, it will be like a miracle, it will just fade away.”

        Now that’s leadership we can count on!

        • I’m sorry 49r, really, you need to go back to your copy/paste shtick at least you don’t sound as moronic that way…

        • “moronic”

          Yes, the “moronic“ parts of my post were trumps words regarding COVID-19.

          During the H1N1 pandemic, 12,000 Americans died in 18 months despite President Obama’s best efforts.

          So far, 150,000 Americans have died in six months on President Donald Trump’s watch.

          Many people are saying that’s quite a death toll for a hoax virus.

    • At this point, he pretty much has to choose a female that isn’t white because identity is what’s really important for democrats. It looks like they’re (it ain’t Joe) seriously looking at Kamala and Susan Rice. Kamala’s wiki page has seen some serious editing lately, which means someone thinks it will be her.

      • It just doesn’t matter. At this point, after this much damage done to my country by the Orange Reality TV Host, I’d vote for a ham sandwich for President.

      • “Shill” = One who poses as a conservative to dupe bystanders into thinking it’s okay to vote for Slow Joe because Trump’s a big meanie.

        • “Damned Fool”, one who pretends all opposition from the political right are “Shills” so he doesn’t have to face up to the truth of the matter.

        • “enuf” = an A$$wipe so blind, he believes every troll on this page, which would explain why he’s so easily duped by the Lincoln Project.

        • “Naive” – one who thinks that by voting for someone else than incumbent President and the only Republican candidate, he is helping the political right in any way.

        • Shill | Definition of Shill at Dictionary.com
          https://www.dictionary.com/browse/shill
          a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty. verb (used without object) to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino.

        • “ a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit”

          Dr. Trump would like to talk to you about his miracle chloroquinine pills, guaranteed to chase away the demon that has been stealing your sperm and making your little fella soft.

  13. I was on his side until the whole “violence against peaceful protestors” thing came up. Not voting for him this time.

  14. I know how I’m going to vote. But in reality I believe that the bigger picture is that whoever gets into office, fairly or unfairly, is who God put in there for such a time as this. The bible says that the heart of the king is in the hands of the Lord to turn whichever way He will. It also says the the Lord removes kings and raises them up to do His purpose. There are also prophecies about nations warring against nations, kingdoms against kingdoms and leaders against leaders. That’s pretty much what we got. The sad part is that I don’t even see it as good against evil any more. It’s evil A against evil B. The only hope for good is Messiah establishing the Kingdom and the bible says that things will get really bad before that happens. Even worse than this.

    I’ll perform tikkun olam while I can but ultimately it will be accomplished by God and His Messiah. This is why He taught us to pray, “Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Pro-tip, the bible does not teach that you die and go to heaven. God is bringing the kingdom here.

    • Pro-tip…you ARE what you DO. Trump/Pence stand for GOD. Pro-life,pro-America,Pro-Israel,pro-capatalism,pro-business and nominally pro-2A. The other side is for want of a better description “the synagogue of satan”. Millions will not die but be translated to heaven in the rapture of the church. All hell will break out. WE who are already in heaven will return as the army of heaven to rule and reign with JESUS CHRIST as our king. There is NO evil A vs evil B. There is only the saints vs the lost…

        • “the synagogue of satan”

          Don’t you think that’s a little obvious with your prejudices?

          And millions will be translated to heaven in the rapture? You do know the word rapture is not in the king James Bible, right?

        • M49, the rapture is a thing. Just because it’s not given that name in the bible, it’s still discussed. I think the only point on which FWW and I may disagree would be the timing of it. I’m guessing by his wording that he’s thinking pre-trib. I don’t agree and I pray that all who hold that view will not be disappointed and fall away from faith if I’m right.

          The “rapture” is a teaching of mainstream churchianity, which I left many years ago. The wife and I had this interesting interview with a couple of the pastors that went something like, “The church teaches this but the bible says that.” It did not go well, the wife and I euphemistically refer to it as our exit interview.

          The rapture theory is predicated upon only four or five verses, and a few other things get taken out of context to support the position. Still, Paul flat says that it will happen.

          Leaving the church has brought us down a road where we realize that the only thing that matters is the Kingdom. You are either in God’s Kingdom or you are not. That is where FWW and I strongly agree, only he phrased it in terms of “the Saints”. His picture of Messiah leading the resurrected, or translated since many didn’t die, saints is right out of Revelation.

          What churchianity misses is the coming exodus. I’d be happy to elucidate but it’s TLDNR for this forum. Perhaps anybody interested could private message me? The reason the church misses this is the antisemitism and replacement theology from 1700ish years ago that’s still prevalent today. Anyway, for a couple years, any time I’d find another prophecy abut the greater exodus, I jotted a reference in the back of my bible. When I had two pages of tiny little notes, I went through them all with BlueLetterBible and dumped them into a Word doc. Since replacement theology wants to call the Christian church the bride I wanted to know what God had to say about it. I’d be happy to send it to anybody interested. It’s close to 30 pages, so no room here. (Nor is this the place.) I can also send along a study I did a decade or so ago looking into scriptures defining “the Bride.” That helps to define God’s view of the Kingdom.

          The points you make are easily googled and often thrown at people of faith by those who would tear them down. If you’d really like to learn, I’m with you all the way. If you only want to cite previous debates, you might want to go study for a few years and make sure you’re well armed.

        • Brad, thank you for your thoughtful reply!

          I would be interested in whatever evidence one could offer to support the idea of life after death, especially such a specific resurrection legend as the Christians.

          And we can’t really take the Bible as some sort of evidence, the new testament gospels were written decades after Jesus‘s death, by individuals who weren’t there for the actual events.

          And the hatred, prejudice and racial genocide of the old testament pretty much rules out any allegiance to a God that would engage in such behaviors.

          You know, there’s much more evidence to support the idea of alien abduction’s, we have hundreds of people who are willing to testify under oath about their experiences.
          Many of them have been questioned on video, and we have that their depositions to refer to as we research their claims.

        • Miner,
          “I would be interested in whatever evidence one could offer to support the idea of life after death, especially such a specific resurrection legend as the Christians.”
          I do not see your alleged interest in evidence as a true statement. The fact that, in the same sentence you refer to the resurrection of Christ as legend puts the lie to your professed interest. Your mind is already made up and you are not seeking the evidence to change it. There has been much written regarding the numbers of witnesses, the official government documents and the recorded events surrounding the resurrection.

          “And we can’t really take the Bible as some sort of evidence, the new testament gospels were written decades after Jesus‘s death, by individuals who weren’t there for the actual events.”
          Matthew was a disciple of Christ, so was John. Mark was a disciple of Peter and Luke was a contemporary of all these guys, obviously conversant with the details. Further, Peter and Jude, disciples of Christ, or Paul, do not refute the narratives of the gospels.

          “And the hatred, prejudice and racial genocide of the old testament pretty much rules out any allegiance to a God that would engage in such behaviors.”
          This statement exhibits a deep failure to understand Genesis chapter six. Have you actually read the bible?

          “You know, there’s much more evidence to support the idea of alien abduction’s, we have hundreds of people who are willing to testify under oath about their experiences.
          Many of them have been questioned on video, and we have that their depositions to refer to as we research their claims.”
          Yeah, they didn’t have video when biblical events unfolded. Thus, it can’t be true and we should only believe what can be found on YouTube. /s/ I refer you back to the body of documentation I mention previously. And actually, I’m not refuting the evidence of aliens, but I believe you have a case of mistaken identity there. Again, Genesis chapter six.

          Once again these are all talking points you can find on websites that purport to refute the bible and disprove the existence of God. As I suggested earlier, you need to go study and not try these shallow statements, easily refuted by anybody who has the slightest degree of bible study under their belt. I’ll leave you with this: For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. I Cor 1:18. Miner, your own words tell me which god you serve.

    • Today I read the leaked copy of the Democrat Party’s official platform (an 80-page PDF), which will be announced and distributed in the near future to prep for the 2020 Election.

      Reading all the things they now stand for, and how much they openly state they want to enforce upon America, it is clear that no person who believes in God & Jesus can possibly vote Democrat any longer with a clear conscience. The Republicans aren’t perfect, to be sure, but the differences between the two Parties has never been more stark.

      Trump. Because Biden and the Democrats will take this country further down the road to hell.

      • Sadly many so-called “Christian’s” will vote d for DEVIL. Most black “social” Christian’s will. Self righteous jagoffs will go slow Joe. I’m not voting for pastor in chief. We are smack dab in those “perilous times” Paul wrote about…my Baptist church should be shouting it from the mountaintop. They aren’t(I’m not Baptist but the charismatic churches are pathetic). I wish I could be hopeful but I’m not…even so come LORD JESUS.

        • Just the issues of abortion and the perversion of marriage are enough to make me never vote “D”. Then there is all the other stuff we hear but the proof never surfaces. Like the alleged trail of bodies lining the Clinton’s road to the top, or the allegations that they were selling missile secrets to China, or the whole “D” track record of reinterpreting the constitution to mean what they want, regardless what it actually says, or all the mudslinging surrounding the sitting president, or the obvious takeover to the press, once referred to as the fourth arm of government.

          Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

        • “Then there is all the other stuff we hear but the proof never surfaces.”

          Yet you continue to believe it without any evidence whatsoever, isn’t that fascinating.

      • Do you have a link? Right now I am reading Biden’s plan for immigration and guns on his official site, and it is bad enough!

  15. The choice is hard core communism on the one hand, and limping along as we are. I’ll gladly vote for the latter. If you don’t have health care, get busy and get it. I don’t want the federal government in charge of our health care. Waiting lists and sub par care will be the result If you don’t have a job, get busy and get one. I don’t want the federal government dominating the economy through the “Green New Deal.” Inflation and joblessness will be the result. If you are upset about Portland, the violence will be ten times worse if the Dems make a sweep of Congress and the Presidency, and the Dems will take away your right to defend yourself. If you are frustrated with the Supreme Court, you’ll be horrified when the Dems stack it with 4 or 6 new justices drawn from the Radical Left. Goodbye First and Second Amendments.

    Trump isn’t perfect. Not by a long shot. But he’s much better than the ravenous radical left. Your life and the lives of your family literally depends on your vote. And for the “mUh buMp STocKs” crowd, pay the $200, do the paperwork, and get a real automatic firearm.

    • I think Trump is going to win. The polls, just like in 2016, are complete and utter bulls*t. Most of the voters don’t want communism. They are horrified with the idea of defunding the police and the resulting violence. They don’t want handouts; they want to work. Black support, key for Democrats, has skyrocketed for Trump. The Left will go nuts, of course, but we’ll still have our rights. I say bring it.

      And then Trump, not needing re-election, can bring the hammer down on the insurrectionists/anarchists/communists, purge federal funding from our commie universities, and cut the size of the federal government.

      • It isn’t 2016 anymore. The media and Tech Overlords literally vowed to do better next time after they lost in 2016. It’s amazing how ignorant people are (not you, but voters in general).

    • The $200 for a tax stamp is hardly the issue that is prohibiting most people with owning an actual transferable machine gun. IF entry level is a 10k Mac, thats pretty much excluding 90% of people due to their income alone.

        • Medical costs for who? And how does that relate to the cost of a full auto sender?

          You and chief are some try hard gaslighting motherfuckers. Nobody is falling for it here.

        • It may be your yearly medical costs, Binder, but not mine. My medical costs (not counting dental) for the last 20 years are under $1000 altogether. All paid out of my own pocket. I buy as much healthcare as I consider necessary. Thinking of it, I have actually paid much more in fines/”taxes” for not buying something I don’t want – health insurance.

      • The cost is due to supply limited by law, for example it should be obvious that a select-fire AR-15 should cost exactly the same as a semi-only AR-15, the only actual differences were designed to deliberately NOT be select-fire. But since we have been prohibited by our masters from obtaining any FA arms built since 1986, the supply cannot be increased to meet demand, so a select-fire M16 is north of 20,000.

    • Out healthcare is horrible. For the amount of money that goes into it, the results are just dreadful. But again, as long as insurance companies can buy (oops I mean financially support reelected campaigns) congressmen it is NEVER going to change. There is no ‘free’ marker for health care, just a $10000 a year bill for each American.

      • 40% of Americans are obese. Type II diabetes is skyrocketing, as is hypertension. Alcohol abuse is epidemic. Tobacco use still kills hundreds of thousands a year. The diet of most Americans is f*ing atrocious. That’s what your $10,000+ a year is paying for.

        You are responsible for your own health. An acquaintence of mine once complained he couldn’t afford a dentist. I asked him if he ever brushed and flossed his teeth. He said no. At one job, almost everyone I worked with went out every day for fast food, and laughed at me for bringing a lunch. They were all incredibly obese, and suffered from health problems, while I showed up for work everyday because I was healthy. Play stupid games …

        I don’t have health insurance. I pay cash for any services I need, but I don’t need many, because I take care of myself. I pay far less per year than anyone who has insurance. The money I don’t pay for insurance goes into my bank account, in case of a large expense. In other words, I save that $10,000+ a year instead of waste it on insurance.

        Because I’m responsible, I’m supposed to pay high insurance premiums for people who have poor health habits?? Sorry. I’m not that much of a sucker, but it seem many are.

        • Jimmy, I like your attitude and mostly agree, but I gotta tell you there is such a thing as “getting old”. It can get really expensive without insurance. One medication my bride is currently on is $15K/month, and my military career is paying off! Looking for a job which includes health insurance is not that tough now, though if Osamacare ever gets going (like if Biden is elected) it will be, since businesses aren’t going to pay the big bucks for something that is free if they don’t.

        • No, these guys will be young and strong forever!

          Never going to get appendicitis, never going to get cancer, never going to get COVID-19 or a similar bug, it’s like a miracle!

          Nope, you won’t need health insurance… Until you do.

    • I was with you all the way to the last sentence:
      “And for the “mUh buMp STocKs” crowd, pay the $200, do the paperwork, and get a real automatic firearm.”

      You need to get better information on current state of gun control. Thanks to Hughes amendment to FOPA, I can’t buy a new fully automatic firearm for any money. It was a neat little trick. First they made us to register them and pay $200, then they refused to register them. Ban, without actually having to ban them.

      That means that prices of legally transferrable registered machineguns went through the roof and even little $50 pieces of metal called auto sears are sold for many thousands. Ar15 can be bought for less than five bills. If it is legally transferrable full auto, it can sell for 20 grand or more.

      Now Biden promises to treat semi autos just like full automatics. Pay the government for a privilege to register your legally acquired property. Do you want to bet, how long before that registry gets closed too?

  16. Trump/Pence 2020.
    Ted Cruz 2024.

    We all vote or not vote.
    Dem mayors are protecting arsonists, looters, thugs, and killers.

    What happens if they take the Presidency?
    No matter how much you dislike Trump, the alternative is dismal, desperate, and destructive.

    • You bring up a good topic for future discussion. As **soon** as the Election is done and over with, both Parties will be gearing up for 2022 midterms to battle over Congressional seats, and forming a list of potential candidates for 2024 for the White House.

      As soon as late January, the names will begin to be tossed into the rumor mill.

        • Nikki Haley is a real possibility for 2024, but if she means to she has to be building on that plan already. There’s a long lead time to an announcement for the Presidency.

          Could be an attractive opportunity. After a one term Biden Presidency, with any luck he’ll have been defeated on his anti-gun agenda and run out the clock. The possibility of Biden going after a second term is awfully slim, doubt he’d attempt it.

          I’d almost go for an every four year swap between the parties. That’d short circuit the extremism of both sides rather nicely.

          Won’t happen of course.

        • @enuf ” After a one term Biden Presidency, …

          What an idiot.
          If Biden gets in with a Democrat senate that will be the last time Republicans win the preseidency for generations.

          Democrats will toss the filibuster and will immediate make 20-30 million illegal aliens able to vote and that will be the death nail for the Republican party.

          The next non-Democrat will only be after America goes down the drain like Venzuela and the majority of people are picking through garbage dumps.

        • My guess is that if Biden somehow won in 2020, then in 2024 the GOP candidate would be Donald Trump, and he would win all 50 states, regardless of who the Dem was.

        • Grover Cleveland pulled it off. Trump could probably do it as well, and “more beautifully yuuugely.”

        • Of course you know, Nikki Haley was on the Board of Directors of Boeing when they approved the software fix for the 737s.

          Rather then fix the aerodynamic problem caused by moving the new engine location, they tried a software fix to cure the stalling issue because a redesign would just cost too much money.
          Unfortunately, that caused the death of a few hundred innocent passengers, victims of Boeing’s greed.

          Nikki Haley and Boeing aircraft, profits before people. Hey, that would be a great motto for her campaign in 2024!

        • NEVER thought I would EVER agree on anything with you…But yeah, no fucking way should Nikki Haley ever be considered for POTUS…

        • Nikki Haley was in Boeing’s pocket long before her formal appointment to the board, the board position was actually a reward for a job well done securing corporate welfare for Boeing:

          “But Haley didn’t have a problem picking winners and losers as governor, when she brokered more than a half-dozen deals for Boeing to secure state and local incentives — subsidized by taxpayers to the tune of $120 million — after it opened a plant in North Charleston.”

          The Post and CourierWeb resultsHicks: Haley can read the political wind, and that’s why she quit Boeing

  17. The choice is Trump or Biden. Period. One represents freedom, liberty, and prosperity. The other represents a fast trip to a violent socialist hell where the lunatics are in charge of the asylum, and the law abiding are ‘whats for dinner’.

    That’s it. Vote or don’t vote. The choice is yours and so are the consequences.

    • Neither of them represent what you claim, all of that was hogwash.

      Except the voting part, and everyone should vote or be fined. Not a big fine for not voting, like maybe a dollar. All the dollar fines for not voting would be shared equally with the people who did vote.

      If people will not participate in their own Republic’s well-being, we can at least make them pay those of us that do for our efforts!

      • We have compulsory voting in my part of the world. Gets people involved in the political process.

        With optional voting, you get the government you deserve.

        • @Enuf For someone who writes as well as you do, you are truly stunningly stupid. You either possess an intellect that you refuse to apply, or you’re an idiot savant who writes well, but lacks the actual capacity of reason.

          Either way, if they could bottle plain unadulterated stupid, they’d put your mug on the label as their brand ambassador.

          Unfortunately, you have lots of company, especially among the roles of Democrat voters. Intellectually bereft political zombies with the power of speech, but completely without the faculty of discernment, or the will to think for themselves.

      • “Except the voting part, and everyone should vote or be fined.”
        Psss, your inner totalitarian is showing. And government taking from one group to divide it amongst another group… where have we seen that?

        Freedom is not just ability to vote, it also means ability to not vote.

        I have lived in a country where everyone voted. Is it any surprise that 99.99 percent voted for the Glorious Communist party? Democracy was ever present. So many meetings and public discussions you have never seen. Everything got voted on. Everything got unanimous vote for what the Party prescibed, I mean proposed. Or else!

  18. Well, I work in a defense factory these days. Most of the conservatives I talk to are torn on the upcoming vote. Of course there are true believers and those who are always loyal to their party, but hear plenty of people who like me have given up on partyism, are independents and utterly despise that lump of Cheeto Dusted excrement now staining the Resolute Desk.

    In 2016 some of us in Arizona voted for Evan McMullin, a legitimate Conservative Republican, former CIA field officer, who served as a write-in. Obviously we all knew he’d lose but the choice between Trump and Shrillery was no choice at all, both too horrific a thing to do to the Republic we love and cherish to tolerate. Of course we knew Arizona would not go to Shrillery, that was obvious in the polling,

    This year there’s a growing possibility the state will flip. If it does, I will blame those that supported Trump ahead of the 2016 Republican Convention. That is where the conservative side failed. You supported an anti-America candidate for President, you bought into the con job, many are still buying into it.

    A sad business.

    I’ll have to wait and see two factors to decide what I’m going to put down on my mail-in ballot. The polling within Arizona, and the list of write-ins registered with the Arizona Sec of State. Whatever that data tells me, the one thing I will never do is support a Domestic Enemy named Donald John Trump for a second term.

    Ya’ll don’t like that? Tough shit, chew harder.

        • Hahaha. She’s far more a supporter of 2A rights than President P.P. Grabber. That should be obvious, but I’d like to hear why you disagree.

          Please, please, please elaborate on your dido story. Do they make you uncomfortable?

        • “Do they make you uncomfortable?”

          It seems like they would, but I’m sure he doesn’t want to find out.

        • fyi to anyone

          I have said this before on TTAG. I was not laughing when the sexually liberated used dildos as a prop, in their sick mind, to take away the civil rights of law abiding people. They called themselves Libertarians. Just as many of them call themselves ‘Libertarian Socialists”.

          This woman is amazingly uninformed. She is weak. But to make you feel better I can say that William Weld and Gary Johnson both support dildo and drug use as well. But they don’t support civil rights.

          The Libertarian Party presidential candidate interview on the Gun Talk radio show. audio 10 min long

          https://guntalk.com/gun-talk-radio/2020-presidential-candidate-dr-jo-jorgensen

          From the “cocks not glocks” protest.

          https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/ut-anti-campus-carry-rally-pretty-much-youd-expect/

        • Sorry for the delay. I wanted a chance to listen to that audio clip of Jorgenson. She’s not perfect. But she doesn’t appear to be uninformed or weak as you claim, either. That was one of the most rational and coherent pro 2A arguments I’ve heard from a presidential candidate in… maybe ever.

          I’m not trying to be petty about the dildos. The link you bring up is certainly an unconventional, waste of money protest against a right to carry on college campus, which I honestly support. If Jorgenson had anything to do with that, please prove it. I might actually consider voting for Trump at that point.

          Did the Libertarian party fund that? I’m not sure it’s fair to blame the whole party or it’s candidates for the actions of a few members. Similarly, a vast majority of my family and friends are voting for Trump, but I would never assume they behave like P.P. Grabber.

          Please, help me connect the dots here. I’m learning that sharing my personal convictions make me appear to be a stupid, antisemitic, robot, shill, Democrat, America hating sexual predator. I’m having a real identity crisis now.

        • DK – Christ T in KY has quite a history on TTAG comment threads grouping Libertarians with Liberals and the Left. Chris appears to be too fascinated by the alliteration to note any policy differences.

          Not a perfect candidate, but any vote that might help a 3rd party get to 5% to chip away at the 2-sided corporate party’s stranglehold is better than a write-in as a protest vote.

        • “both support dildos”

          Good Lord, the horror!

          Those dildos should be outlawed!

          What you people consider freedom and liberty is just amazing. I guess blow jobs are just out of the question.

    • lol that was some funny shit. Not one true word to it, but funny. I mean, it’s clear you are not a fan of Trump, so whatever, but the rest about the “defense factory” and your co-workers… hahahahahahahah. Ok.

      • I work under the DoD as a “govi” and work with Defense Contractors like Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and L3T. Never heard of the term defense factory. I guess it must be a term local to a division or sub-div of the compnay that makes hardware?

        I do work with many vets and the majority are Republican Voters and are extremely patriotic (our chests still swell up with pride during morning colors), but there are a small handful that are Dem voters. Most of the DoD Civ non-Vets that I’ve run into are moderates with some left or right leaning.

    • Yeah, Even McMullin was just a serious conservative, and totally not just another Never-Trumper “Conservative” (with emphasis on quotations)

      McMullin writing in the NYT: “President Trump’s disturbing Russian connections present an acute danger to American national security.” He called upon congressional Republicans to “recommit to patriotic prudence” and “demand that Attorney General Jeff Sessions appoint an independent special counsel to investigate Russia’s assault on American democracy and Mr. Trump’s possible collusion with the Kremlin.”

      How did that turn out? Gee, that didn’t age too well. He may as well have been a democrat. Sorry enuf, you sound like a decent guy, but you’ve been fooled by the Never-Trumpers. There isn’t a single conservative policy that they’re fighting for. They’re only fighting to help democrats win, so they (the globalist neocons) can stay relevant and stick it to the guy that exposed their sh_tty policy ideas. Sad!

      • None of your rant matters. Nobody expected McMullin to win. He was a clean vote, one that wouldn’t leave a foul odor in the ballot box. In Arizona, it was certain the Republican candidate would win and it was safe as could be to vote a write-in.

        Conditions are different now. Trump has done massive damage. Four more years is simply not acceptable.

        Could happen anyway, not making any predictions here.

        • “Trump has done massive damage. Four more years is simply not acceptable.”

          Are you so far gone that you don’t see the damage done to this country from the Russia Witch Hunt sponsored by the DNC? Your boy McMullin was right there with them, supported by you.

        • Enuf, are you paid by the word or by the post? It is not possible to be that stupid and deceptive without compensation.

    • If Arizona flips, I will blame you and other shortsighted idealists like you, who cut their nose to spite their faces.
      You want better candidates? Work in primaries, that’s the time for it. Once the candidate is chosen, pull with the team to win! Learn from the Dems, even Bernie endorsed the dementia patient.

  19. The only question I have is do I vote for Biden, libertarian (she wants to repeal NFA and abolish ATF) or no one? I’m leaning towards Biden since I’m in an important swing state.

    Any reasonable person should be able to see the country is lost. Its institutions eager to destroy the peaceful and productive, to kill common sense and liberty wherever found.

    Escalation of the Progressive agenda quickly could possibly induce revolt, our only hope. A Trump win will give too many people false hope.

    • I smell bullshit. Take your knee and turn everything from your guns to your larping airsoft level 1 kevlar vest and Condor chest rig in right now, we all know you don’t have the heart for the front lines let alone being in the rear with the gear, fuck boi.

  20. I’m stuck in a blue state so my vote doesn’t count. Those of you in states still in play better hope there isn’t mail in voting because that will be the way it’s stolen.
    A few years from now they will expose it but it will be far too late.

    • The only threat to mail in voting are the suppression efforts coming from the right wing. One of the reasons I quit the GOP and went independent, back when they nominated Bush the Lesser.

      Real vote fraud is rare in the USA, but voter suppression is very real.

      • “Real vote fraud is rare in the USA, but voter suppression is very real.”

        Are you sure you aren’t a democrat? You sure a good at denying reality.

        1,290 Proven instances of voter fraud. 1,113 criminal convictions. I’ve showed you the database before. Only the highly indoctrinated are able to ignore actual data so well. Let me guess, you’re against having to show an official ID in order to vote? Do you think people are too dumb to figure out something so complex as obtaining an ID?

        https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

        • In 2016 there were 128,838,342 votes cast in the Presidential election.
          Do you know what 1290 cases of voter fraud is against almost 129 million?

          It’s 0.001001255%

          If there were 100 times more voter fraud than was caught, it would still only be one tenth of one percent of the votes cast.

          Can you say “That’s the very definition of rare”?

          Because it is.

          Thank you for playing!

        • Sorry enuf but you’re clueless. Every election isn’t a presidential election. They’re often won by thousands or even hundreds of votes. Speaking of presidential elections, Trump won some states by thousands. In 2000, the Florida vote was too close to call. But, hey “Thank you for playing!” Smart A$$!

        • FL Gov was decided by less than 39,000 votes of more than 8,000,000 cast (.486%)… Do I win?

        • My personal study shows that voter fraud is only caught one time in a million. Therefore, it is obvious to all that those 1290 cases were among 1.29 billion fraudulent votes actually cast. Follow the SCIENCE!

    • Your vote counts. Don’t believe otherwise. The dems and the media (one and the same) have been obsessed with the popular vote. Send a message. All conservatives in blue states should get out and vote. Democrats and NeverTrumpers are welcome to stay home. 😉

    • In ’86 and ’88 The bride and I voted absentee, since I was military stationed in Okinawa. We found out around 1995 that NO absentee ballots cast by those stationed in Japan or Europe were ever counted. Military tends to vote conservative. Somebody would announce that they wouldn’t have made a difference, and shitcanned them. Ballots from all 50 states, in what percentages who knows, wonder how they figured out they could make no difference, and wouldn’t it have been easier to just count them?

  21. Realistically there are only two options. Trump or Biden. Trump represents the good and bad of capitalism. Biden represents a person who in his heyday was the poster child of what the left says about us now. Biden is moving hard left because that is where his party has moved. The open worship of Mao, Socialism and Fascism we see in the Democratic Party is what a vote for Biden is approving.

    Trump is far from perfect, but he is better than the alternative. Unless of course you prefer the vision of the lefts utopia of unicorns farting rainbows that don’t induce global warming.

    To my thoughts unicorn season is fast approaching. There won’t be any rainbows however. We are at the same place we were in 1860.

    And remember this, it does not matter who wins the election, there will be riots and looting as soon as the polls are starting to report.

  22. I’d like to address a few of the writer’s bullshit points. 1) Republicans don’t love ‘America’ as a concept any more than Democrats do; they simply love the status quo and claim that whatever they believe in is what America is all about. 2) The ‘America you grew up with’ is not necessarily a good thing. In the America my parents grew up in, they wouldn’t have been allowed to marry, because it was ‘miscegenation’. 3) Tammy Duckworth did not call George Washington and Thomas Jefferson ‘traitors’; her interviewer tried to change the subject from Confederates to the idea of taking down statues of George Washington, to which Duckworth continued speaking about Trump’s nonsensical support for Confederate traitors. And if we’re taking this literally, Washington and Jefferson were absolutely traitors to the Crown. 4) ‘Cancel Culture’ has always existed in this nation. The only difference is that it’s now ‘conservatives’ who are experiencing it. In the past, you were ‘cancelled’ if you were gay. You were ‘cancelled’ if you weren’t white. You were ‘cancelled’ if you were pro-union. You were ‘cancelled’ if you were a woman with an opinion. You were ‘cancelled’ if you were accused of being a communist sympathizer. Martin Luther King Jr. was quite literally cancelled because he fought for equality. Hell, the Dixie Chicks were ‘cancelled’ because they didn’t support the invasion of Iraq, even though most people now believe invading Iraq was a bad idea. You do not own America and all that it stands for. You are but an annoying little self-centered stain on a rich tapestry.

    • Yeah, that’s about it.

      I didn’t know who the Dixie Chicks were until they were attacked over a tiny little blurb out of the lead singer’s mouth at an insignificant small venue in England. It went nutso for two reasons, a quote was spotted in a newspaper column, and a radio station DJ read the quote.

      After that came the death threats. Fucking death threats against three women for not liking George Bush. Real death threats, the FBI identified a serious threat and informed the trio’s security team. Which they had to hire because of the death threats.

      I went out and bought all their albums.

      No American should tolerate that sort of intolerance.

      • Get in line. Conservative entertainers have lost contracts and jobs. The Left is just as intolerant.

        • Not interested in others or their tall tales. I saw three young women, mothers with children and babies, getting death threats that the FBI told them to take seriously. Over a single quip made in the moment, over a nothing sentence that did no harm to any person or cause.

          How in the hell is that America?

          I did learn from the incident that those ladies write their own music, play their own instruments, and are the real deal as musicians and songwriters. No pop star auto tune crapola there!

        • you hang your hat right there on the dickless chix.
          i’ll be here not listening to them. they’re not even tall tails.
          tesco vee hate police, now there’s sumpin’.

        • “you hang your hat right there on the dickless chix.”

          Yes, I must admit then I also would rather hang out with “dickless chix“.

          But this is America, so feel free to hang out with your “chix with dicks” all you want, not that there’s anything wrong with that…

        • Another transphobic put down coming from the Party of Love, Acceptance, and Tolerance. I’m seeing a trend here.

        • Well you know, I’m not the one who brought up “dickless chix“.

          And I really don’t care what consenting adults do, but I certainly don’t share his disdain for the Dixie chicks, regardless of their apparatus.

          And I agree with them dropping Dixie from their name, no need to memorialize the traitors who tried to bring down America.

    • V-Audio,
      Correct assessment but most on here can’t see the wisdom in your words.

      Yes, the Dixie chicks were canceled because they dared to speak against the war that Republican president Donald Trump has called “the greatest mistake America has ever made“.

      And you were absolutely right about the cancel culture of the past 240 years in America.

      Not only were you canceled if you were gay, you’d get your ass beat, or drug behind a truck for a few miles.

      You were canceled if you were black, brown, yellow or red, you would have your property taken, your liberty taken, your children taken from you and sold down river.

      Conservatives are really nervous because they fear true equality coming to all the peoples of the United States of America.

      To the privileged, equality feels like oppression.

  23. As for the Libertarian option. They are really great for drugs and dildo’s. But are real only good for lip service when it comes to civil rights.

    • Dildos and drugs sound much more fun than anarchy and war tho. All sides are nothing but lip service most times, and it’s to the point where they both simply talk too much.

    • “They are really great for drugs and dildo’s”

      Good lord man, what do you have against dildos?

      Did you catch your wife using one and now you’re pissed off?

  24. I’m in with Trump, mostly because I live in Delaware and we know how evil that whole Biden clan really is — many more times worse than Trump, and hundreds of times worse than you’ll ever find out in the MSM. Despise Trump all you want — most of the people I know do — but believe me, with Biden we’d be getting a level of evil greater than what I hope most people can even imagine.

  25. This is your opinion. If Trump truly loved America he wouldn’t have fallen asleep at the wheel, sold his all out to big corporations and destroyed our 1st and 2nd Amendment rights. He along with all those Republican butt kisses who didn’t have the guts to stand up to him have seriously damaged our justice system, National Parks and more. I and many other folks who normally vote Republican will do all we can to stop this insanity. Even the Reagan Foundation told Trump to stop using his image and name for campaign promotions!

    • True, the Reagan Foundation told the Trump campaign to stop using them in Trump ads. So Trump has retaliated by attacking the Reagan Foundation and attacking Fox News.

      What the hell!?!?

      • “attacking Fox News.”

        But I thought Fox News was state run television. It’s almost like that’s another stupid left wing talking point.

        • Well, Trump did it and it’s not the first time. He’s lately been rather pissed at Fox for announcing their polling results as not having him in the lead in key states he won in 2016.

        • I wasn’t doubting you. It was knock on a tired talking point, but expecting someone like you to pick up on something that obvious was just too much to ask.

      • Profit over patriotism! Trump/Putin 2020!

        “The Reagan Foundation has told the Trump campaign and Republican National Committee to stop using the image of the ex-president and conservative icon Ronald Reagan in a fundraising drive.
        The request comes after Trump Make America Great Again Committee, a joint RNC and Trump campaign fundraising committee, offered a set of commemorative coins, to supporters donating more than $45. They were embossed with President Ronald Reagan’s image on one side and President Donald Trump’s on the other.”

  26. What a dumb ass article. Surprised you can see the screen with your head that far up Trump’s ass.

    The democrats are terrible, but let’s not sit here pretending the Republicans are magic unicorns of liberty and freedom. They restrict our freedoms, trample our rights, protect corporate failures… Someone else said it already, they’ve had complete control of everything for years, and not only didn’t advance gun rights, they actually managed to restrict ’em more than the last democrat!

    Bunch of failures that only win because the other guys are so much worse.

  27. THIS NOVEMBER: It Comes Down to People Who Love America vs. People Who Loathe America
    by John Boch
    Jul 28, 2020
    ———————————

    Have to say it is idiotic crap-speak like that which ended my loyalty to any political party. You do know there are people on the other side who could write the same editorial? Just change around the insults and the praise to reassign the good and the evil? It’s all bullshit.

    Both political parties love America, love Freedom, love the Constitution.

    Both political parties often agree on little shit, from time to time on big shit.

    Even on the things they agree on, both political parties will fight each other over the wording, over the piddling details, or over nothing at all just because they are supposed to despise each other.

    Both political parties have at least one and usually several issues upon which they are bat shit crazy, so far as official platforms go. For the left where this forum is concerned, it’s gun control. For the right, their crazy is off topic for this forum. What? Thought I’d get into that here? Best learn to deal with disappointment.

    All the talk of Fascists on the right and Marxists on the left is a load of crap. What there is of that in real terms, in real numbers and not in hyperbolic political rhetoric is minuscule in number.

    This election is not a contest between those who hate America and those who love America.

    It is a contest between the worst President America has had to endure, and an elderly liberal who is embracing an anti-gun platform so extreme even he knows he couldn’t get the votes in either house.

    Hopefully Trump will lose, Biden will be one term, we’ll fight him in the Senate and House for four years and then begin the game anew in 2024.

    America’s been doing this for generations, we’ll be doing it for many more.

    • Well, if enuf wants Biden to win, maybe a vote for Trump aint such a bad idea.

      Defeatist coward. Just saying you hope Biden wins means you are pretty much full of shit. Even the most libertarian people I know would never want that party to get office ever again after the past couple years.

    • I can respect everyone’s opinion pretty much….however..

      “”””””….It is a contest between the worst President America has had to endure…”

      Not even close as the worst.

      • Well, you may be right, we do have George W. Bush to consider.

        His illegal war of lies in Iraq has cost us $3 trillion and 4000 dead Americans, that’s a hard one to beat!

    • I do not see a Democrat that loves the country when all they do is rip it apart every chance they get. I don’t see any love of the constitution from the Dems either when all they want to do is take everyone’s guns.

    • Enuf said, “Both political parties love America, love Freedom, love the Constitution.”

      I don’t think or believe the left “Love the Constitution”! Debbie, what say you?

  28. People Who Love America vs. People Who Loathe Americans

    The left hates those from the rest of the country. Because we still believe in God, the American Way, the founders, male/female, illegals are criminals, racism, sexism etc are what you get called when you disagree with a leftist, hard work to succeed, and so forth.

    The left would love nothing more than to have the US at their mercy to recreate in the image they are convinced will be better without any proof and with plenty that it will be a tragedy.

    Take a look at who are leftists and you find mental defectives, tyrants, fools, the uninformed, the resentful of success, those who hate the power and position of America in the world.

    Make no mistake these people are being funded by foreign nations who know that America stands in the way of their plans for the world.

    The very first thing on their agenda will be the roundabout of all guns held by private citizens. They will do it subtly at first as they wait to see the reaction. When that succeeds they will proceed further. What will happen then is anyone’s guess.

  29. I do not like Trump as a person. If any of my sons grow up and behave the way he does, I will consider myself a failure as a parent.

    Having said that. I will be voting for him, if I have to walk the two miles to my polling station on two broken legs.

    Why would I do that?

    Well for starters –> https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/biden-would-make-beto-orourke-his-administrations-gun-confiscation-czar/

    You rights are like Pringles to the government, bet you can’t just have one.

    Also the fact that last two groups, in recent memory, that tore down statues were the Taliban and ISIS / Daesh. The mob will NEVER be satisfied. There will always be another greivance or wrong to be righted that will require giving up your freedom.

    BLM Incorporated is a Marxist led organization with clearly anti-American goals. They don’t care about black people. They have received over 1 billion dollars so far from corporate America. AFAIK they have not started a scholarship fund or given any money to families of those named on the placards they carry.

    Trump is many things, despot is not one of them. I watch the Left do mental contortions to justify neutering the 2nd Amendment, a specifically enumerated right. They then claim rights not mentioned anywhere in the Constitution.

    This will not stop until we, the people stop it. Twitter is not reality, polls are not facts. Get out and vote !

  30. You know what I don’t hear anymore? Stupidity like “The Democrats don’t really want to take your guns.”

    Because they’re finally being open about it. They’re telling 80 million US gun owners they do, in fact, intend to take their guns.They intend to do this while they are defunding the police and allowing their Democrat controlled cities to riot, attack courthouses and burn businesses.

    The only remaining question is: will the gun owners finally understand they need to get organized and really, really push to turn out the vote this November?

    We need to push everywhere, bring everyone, get all the votes we can. If there is a large enough backlash at the ballot box and they’re all sent home to live in places where riots are a daily thing perhaps the ammo boxes will be unnecessary and they’ll get a taste of their own medicine as well.

    So make sure you, and every single gun owner and like-minded individual go vote to reject the Democrat gun-confiscation, riot permitting agenda.

    • It is apparent, after reading the comments here from the Usual Gang of Idiots, that your point is wasted.

      Despite the virtual GUARANTEE of diminished 2nd-Amendment rights, whether by legislative action or executive order, under a Democrat (not ‘democratic’) administration, TDS is so all-enveloping, so horribly debilitating, that the UGI would put Biden and his handlers into office, on the premise that ‘it’s only four years until we can fix it–we can stand THAT!”

      No. In ‘four more years,’ expect one or two new Supreme Court justices, selected from the Liberal Progressive wing of the ABA and the ACLU. Expect Heller and McDonald to be overturned. Expect not another 2A case to come up for review UNLESS it strengthens the power of local governments to write their own firearm laws. Expect every Red Flag law to be upheld. Expect every ‘high-capacity magazine/assault weapon’ ban-and-uncompensated confiscation plan to be upheld.

      But it won’t end there. If you LIKE your open borders, you can KEEP your open borders. If you LIKE single-payer healthcare, you can KEEP standing in line waiting for your necessary surgery or chemotherapy–that never comes. If you LIKE your abortion-on-demand-at-any-point-‘it’-becomes-inconvenient-right-up-until-the-moment-of-birth-or-maybe-just-a-little-bit-after, you can KEEP that, as well. If you LIKE your cities run by BLM and AntiFA–and so on.

      The Enemy has SAID what they are going to do; Apparently, the UGI just can’t believe that anyone could be that bad. They’re delusional.

      Now, nobody would mind if the UGI would go by themselves over to that dark corner of their basements and squeeze themselves into it ‘just so’ so as to be able to have intercourse with themselves, but what they are doing is trying to drag the rest of us along WITH them in some bizarre attempt to ‘punish’ Trump–who’s really not going to care one way or another.

      I’ll pass.

      • in some bizarre attempt to ‘punish’ Trump–who’s really not going to care one way or another.

        Oh, he WILL care.. They will make sure he “cares”.. The Liberals (especially Nonads(lr) and Schiff for brains) will make it their life’s work to see to it that he pays for his audacity and arrogance and the Deplorables will pay right along with him.. They won’t stop til he is ruined financially and half (at least) of his family is in jail, then they’ll suck every last job out of the Midwest and send them to China and India and they’ll top it off by flooding FL and Tx with illegals who will be given all the free stuff they can handle and then bless them with voting rights including national elections…. Teach him/us to disrespect the Hildabeast and make them ALL look like fools…

        • “they’ll suck every last job out of the Midwest and send them to China”

          You bet they will, and trumps daughter Ivanka Trump is one of the worst for sending her business to China instead of using American workers:

          “China this month awarded Ivanka Trump seven new trademarks across a broad collection of businesses, including books, housewares and cushions.
          At around the same time, President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent a major Chinese telecommunications company from going bust, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea.”

          “The Chinese government granted 18 trademarks to companies linked to President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka Trump over the last two months, Chinese public records show, raising concerns about conflicts of interest in the White House.
          In October, China’s Trademark Office granted provisional approval for 16 trademarks to Ivanka Trump Marks LLC, bringing to 34 the total number of marks China has greenlighted this year, according to the office’s online database. The new approvals cover Ivanka-branded fashion gear including sunglasses, handbags, shoes and jewelry, as well as beauty services and voting machines.”

          Well that’s just his kid of vodka, and you know how kids are.

          Oh no, wait a minute…

          “ Factory workers in eastern China have been working hard since March to churn out about 90,000 “Keep America Great” banners for Donald Trump’s re-election campaign, aiming to fulfill the massive order quickly to avoid the potential economic impact of the president’s trade war.”

          “It’s closely related,” Yao Yuanyuan, the manager of Jiahao Flag Co. Ltd., where tens of thousands of Trump campaign banners have been produced in recent months, told Reuters. “They are preparing in advance, they are taking advantage of the fact that the tariffs haven’t gone up yet, with lower prices now.”
          Yao pointed out that the months from spring until summer are typically the low season for production in the Jiahao Flag Co. factories. This year, however, the women operating the facilities sewing machines have been kept extra busy hemming the edges of “Trump 2020” flags, currently selling for about $1 per flag. The campaign team wouldn’t want to avoid such an affordable deal.

          Yao explained that her factory has been producing Trump’s paraphernalia ever since his first campaign, back in 2015. Many of the iconic “Make America Great Again” or “MAGA” banners were produced by Jiahao Flag Co., an irony that is apparently lost on many Trump supporters.

          Numerous other factories in China produced Trump campaign products as well. In fact, according to NPR, there is even a running joke in parts of the country that local residents knew Trump would win long before the Americans because they received many more orders from his campaign compared with the Hillary Clinton campaign.

          In addition to flags and banners, Trump’s team has done little to avoid using other Chinese made goods, despite the president’s stated anti-China stance. Just this weekend, guests of a “Made In America” event hosted at the White House noted that the cutlery they were served with was, in fact, made in China.
          Even many of the iconic MAGA hats worn by loyal supporters of the president are made in China, although the text is generally embroidered in the U.S. David Lassoff, a company manager for California-based Incredible Gifts, told CBS News earlier this month that he’s been stockpiling the Chinese-made hats after receiving warnings from importers that the price may increase due to the president’s trade policies.”

          I know, I know, I can hear you now: old Miner49er had to go and post all his pesky facts and evidence.

          Does it give you guys a funny feeling in your tummy to know you were bamboozled with trumps propaganda?

      • “Despite the virtual GUARANTEE of diminished 2nd-Amendment rights, whether by legislative action or executive order, under a Democrat“

        Do you mean when Barack Obama signs a democratic bill, authorizing the carry a concealed weapons on hundreds of thousands of federally managed acres?

        Or do you mean when Obama‘s administration approved not only bump stocks, but pistol races as well?

        Oh, I get it, you’re talking about how Republican president Donald Trump banned bump stocks, making millions of American gun owners felons.

        In the immortal words of Otter, “Gee, you’re dumb”.

        • I gotta be more careful, I wasted my time reading a paragraph of that bullshit before checking, oh! Yeah! Never mind.

          Come on, not even you believe that crap, you’re being paid.

        • Do tell, what part of my post was factually inaccurate? Or is the problem that the inconvenient truth annoys you?

          The facts of history are the facts, during the Ronald Reagan administration, the feds banned the carrying of firearms on hundreds of thousands of acres of federally managed lands. Taxpayer land, we own in common.

          And it took Democratic president Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress to reverse that policy and pass an actual law legalizing the carry of firearms on hundreds of thousands of acres of national forest and BLM managed lands.

          And do you not accept that under trumps administration, his BATF issued regulations banning bump stocks, making millions of Americans felons overnight?

          I understand it makes your head hurt to grok the fullness of the deception you have fallen for, but this is America and we need to look at the facts, not feelings.

        • And it took Democratic president Barack Obama and the Democrats in Congress to reverse that policy and pass an actual law legalizing the carry of firearms on hundreds of thousands of acres of national forest and BLM managed lands.

          Pardon me, but that law took effect in Feb 2012 under a a Republican controlled House and a diminished Dem majority in the Senate.. Obamas attempts to limit the size of gun magazines, expand background checks of gun buyers both failed… He did sign 23 anti-gun Executive Actions in Jan 2016 which were meaningless and HIS BATFE tried to ban certain “steel core” ammo but got shut down by the courts.. Obama IS the most anti-gun POTUS in history and had he not wasted his majority in the House and 59 seat majority in the Senate in a nearly two year battle for Obamacare he could have done real damage to 2A, but voters stopped him in 2010.. The Reagan law did not ban guns in fed parks just required they be locked in trunk or glove compartment… facts matter

  31. Jobs are leaving Democratic states , that’s a fact, there’s a cure for the coronavirus out there but the Democrats don’t want us to have it, that’s a fact, I see conservative suppression everywhere, that’s a fact. Look to Virginia and see who they will vote for….. keep giving the Democrat the taste of their own medicine Trump , and I hope they strangle on it and activate the military on homeland. unplug the world internet to America

  32. For those of you on the fence about who to vote for president, you should actually read Joe Biden’s official site and his positions. Here are his some of his proposals for gun grabbing:

    Repeal of Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act: “Biden will prioritize repealing this protection”.

    “Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.”

    “Regulate possession of existing assault weapons under the National Firearms Act.”

    Wasteful gun “buy backs”.

    “In order to reduce the stockpiling of firearms, Biden supports legislation restricting the number of firearms an individual may purchase per month to one.”

    Universal backgrounds checks, thereby creating a de facto gun registry, the only use of is for eventual gun confiscations.

    “Close the “Charleston loophole.” The Charleston loophole allows people to complete a firearms purchase if their background check is not completed within three business days.”

    “End the online sale of firearms and ammunitions. Biden will enact legislation to prohibit all online sales of firearms, ammunition, kits, and gun parts.”

    National red flag laws.

    “Biden will enact legislation to give states and local governments grants to require individuals to obtain a license prior to purchasing a gun.”

    “Put America on the path to ensuring that 100% of firearms sold in America are smart guns.”

    “Require gun owners to safely store their weapons. Biden will pass legislation requiring firearm owners to store weapons safely in their homes.” Good luck accessing that home defense firearm.

    “Stop “ghost guns.”

    “Address the epidemic of suicides by firearms.” By this Biden means guns locked up uselessly for defense and red flag laws.

    Source: https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

    That is just scratching the surface of his proposed harmful policies on the issues. It is really bad. I have a full time job and a family so I cannot list anymore, but you all should read Joe’s Vision for yourself. It is very bad.

    • read Joe Biden’s official site and his positions.

      And for everything else just look at AOCs “Green New Deal”, the Paris Climate Deal, Sanders/Warren for economics/education, the Iran Nuclear Deal and ANYTHING China wants… So be prepared for a 30 to 50% increase in taxes (if you have a job) get used to traveling no more than 50 miles from home and having a yard full of solar panels and windmills (made in China of course) a for real worthless dollar, fighting weekly over a short supply of TP, empty shelves at the grocery store, NO beef (eat your soy burger and tofu chicken son, it’ll make you big and strong)…. 15 justices on the Supreme Court, simple majority (for everything) vote in the Senate giving millions of illegals voting rights in NATIONAL elections, open borders, no Customs and Border protection, no ICE, no cops, diminished military… If Biden/Harris get the White House, the Liberals hold the House and win the majority in the Senate there won’t be an election in 2024 because there won’t be a United States of America… Pelosi and Schumer have already shown their hand you KNOW what they want and they will rubber stamp EVERYTHING that comes out of the White House from whomever is ACTUALLY running things (it sure as hell won’t be Biden/Harris)… On the other hand the swearing in could be the most entertaining 2 minutes in history since Creepy Uncle Joe only has about a 40 second attention span (IF they allow him to live long enough to take the oath).. Now there’s a REAL conspiracy theory… Biden gets elected, shortly before Christmas he mysteriously dies in his sleep and Kamala becomes president, she takes the oath and names Hillary as V.P., within 6 months Kamala comes down with a potentially fatal disease and must step down, Hillary takes the throne and appoints Pelosi or Sasquatch (Michael Obama) V.P. and it’s checkmate (In your face AMERICA) you WILL pay for rejecting the Hildabeast….

        • emphasis on maintaining a version of a Green New Deal agenda that America’s unions can wholeheartedly back
          AOC and John Kerry lead the Biden Climate/energy advisory team..
          We will rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement (from the Biden-Sanders agreement)
          Building a More Progressive Tax System: Use taxes as a tool to address extreme concentrations of income and wealth inequality. As a means of strengthening tax progressivity and paying for investments in U.S. productivity.. (Does not define wealthy but REDISTRIBUTION of wealth is obvious)
          Democratic Platform Promises A Biden Return To Iran Nuke Deal
          Biden adopted Warren-endorsed plans on personal bankruptcy, expanding Social Security benefits and canceling student-loan debt for millions of Americans
          Joe Biden And Bernie Sanders Debut ‘Unity’ Guidance That Pulls From Sanders Agenda.

          Which one of those is MY internal fantasy..

  33. LOL, we’re still doing this? Seriously?

    Biden wins by 12-15 million votes.
    Democrats wind up with 55 Senate seats.
    Democrats wind up with 260 House seats.

    Feel free to screenshot, if that’s your thing.

    • Gee, that’s great! Such precision! How did you do it? Time machine? Or crystal ball? Do you talk to some deity which supplies you with these informations? Aliens maybe?
      Oh, never mind, you pulled these numbers out of your a$$.

      If majority of Americans votes for half conscious socialist gun grabber, they’ll deserve what they get.

      • they’ll deserve what they get.

        That’s right, that’ll teach THOSE ignorant shits, only problem is, the rest of us will have to deal with the Commie assholes that will be going full bore to “fundamentally fuck” this country while Braindead Biden hides under his desk in the Oval…..

  34. I have never seen hatred in the US like now. I am a senior citizen and believe the USA is in worse shape than being reported. Their was a time when democrats ran for office and won. Now I shutter to think Democrats are on the level. God, Guns and Guts made this country great. We all heard that. But it is true. All the men and women who lost their lives, limbs and minds in wars to keep us free should not stand for nothing. Saying George Washing and Thomas Jefferson were traitors is unthinkable. We do not need to rebuild a nation we worked so hard to keep free. Our for fathers set forth a nation of freedom.
    Nothing is utopia. We will always have problems. The key is we work through them and stay strong. We don’t need more laws, we need to enforce the ones we have. Defunding the Police will only lead to more crime and Violence. Peaceful protest is good, but Rioting should be met with enforcement of the laws we have. One last thing, All American Lives matter. I love my country, but right now I have a tear in my eye.

    • “Saying George Washing and Thomas Jefferson were traitors is unthinkable.”

      I completely agree, but I have a question for you.

      What reputable Democratic leader has made that claim?

      Sure, Robert E. Lee, JEB Stewart, Jefferson Davis, etc. were all traitors to America and the constitution, but no one is calling George Washington or Thomas Jefferson traitors.

      Please don’t fall victim to the fear mongering Fox entertainment propaganda or the lies and misinformation spewed by Donald Trump and his family of grifters.

      Tell me do you also agree with Donald Trump that demons are stealing your sperm and taking your erection?

      • Only difference in how history views Washington compared to Lee is that Washington’s side ultimately won. If Confederation won its independence, there would be no doubt about great founding fathers like Lee. If the US lost Revolutionary war, Washington would be a convicted traitor of the crown.

      • Sure, Robert E. Lee, JEB Stewart, Jefferson Davis, etc. were all traitors to America and the constitution,

        I just want to make sure I understand everything I think I know about all this and I hope your vast knowledge of ALL things and your unassailable wisdom can finally clear this up for me… The above mentioned individuals along with a few hundred thousand of their closest friends took issue with the Federal government and protested vigorously against what (at the time) they perceived to be unwarranted regulation stifling their economic progress and infringing on States rights.. just a bunch of Americans (hence the name Confederate States of AMERICA) protesting against the government as provided under the Constitution to which the government responded with a military presence causing an escalation in the South’s response which eventually evolved into the Civil War.. These Americans, exercising their Constitutional right are “Traitors” Right?
        159 years later, Groups of people organized under two different banners one of which ACTUALLY describes itself as a MARXIST organization whose goals are to overthrow our government, disrupt the traditional family structure and the dissolution of law enforcement agencies. (“pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon”) and (“what do we want?, DEAD COPS, when do we want them? NOW) are two of BLMs most famous chants.. These “peaceful protestors” have illegally disrupted Interstate commerce, participated in the seizure of the downtown area of a major American city and declared themselves an autonomous “Zone” (sound familiar), assaulted police stations, destroyed private property, burned government buildings, beat people, committed murder and even though their “mission statement” claims to be “guided by the fact that ALL black lives matter” choose to ignore the on going massacre of black men, women and CHILDREN in a number of major cities at the hands of other blacks. They are joined in their protests by another group proclaiming to be anti-fascist yet they use tactics remarkably similar to those used by actual fascists throughout history. This group uses violence and intimidation to deprive citizens of their personal freedoms as well as civil AND Constitutional rights such as FREEDOM of SPEECH and the right to peaceful, lawful assembly, but (in spite of) their rioting, looting, burning, assaults, murders and an anti-American mantra BOTH of these groups and their fringe associates are considered heroes? Surely you can understand my confusion and will be more than happy to explain why BLM and Antifa (both have called for the overthrow of the United States and attempted to start their own country within it’s borders) are NOT traitors while those old Confederates fighting for their economic survival and States rights are… I assume you’ll go straight to the slavery thing but (to be fair) BLM HAS called for the extermination of ALL white people, now I suppose the extermination of an ENTIRE race of people is probably considered by you and your komrads to be nowhere as egregious as the enslavement of several thousand people (sold by their own), but for some reason I can’t justify that sentiment in my own mind…. Inquiring minds want to know

        • “they perceived to be unwarranted regulation stifling their economic progress”

          Congratulations, you win the whitewashing of slavery championship for this month.

          The enslavement of other humans is a crime, a crime against humanity in general and against the constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law for all people in the United States of America.

          How anyone who considers themselves a patriotic American could defend or celebrate the confederacy is beyond me.

        • The enslavement of other humans is a crime, a crime against humanity in general and against the constitution’s guarantee of equal protection under the law for all people in the United States of America

          Slavery was not a crime (AT THE TIME) which your amazing comprehension seemed to conveniently overlook… I am NOT defending slavery as your twisted little mind perceives, I am simply asking why a group of AMERICANS protesting FOR states rights (also afforded under the Constitution) in 1861 is any different than YOUR MARXIST heroes exercising their rights to rape, loot, pillage, burn and disrupt the lives of millions of people under the guise of the Constitution in 2020.. Perhaps you should check your OWN guilt before you reply, my conscience is clear…

  35. “But one thing is for sure…it won’t look like the America you grew up in and called home.”

    Actually it already does look like the America I grew up in . I grew up in the ’60’s.

  36. That is a great photo of trump humping the flag, it’s too bad it’s just head and shoulders so you can’t see him grinding Old Glory.

    We were warned about people like him back in 1936:

    “James Waterman Wise, Jr., in a recent address here before the liberal John Reed club said that Hearst and Coughlin are the two chief exponents of fascism in America. If fascism comes, he added, it will not be identified with any “shirt” movement, nor with an “insignia,” but it will probably be “wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.”

    • The brown shirts, calling themselves antifa, are showing who the real fascists are. And you are trying for goebels old job.

  37. Voting for creepy Joe is like treating that sore foot thats been bothering you by heading down to the basement with a meat cleaver…. it might make you feel better at the time , but once the gangrene sets in and you realize you’re done for, it’ll be too late for anything but regrets.

  38. The number of comments listed for this post is north of 250. I don’t count near that many. If this is a glitch in the system it’s happening a lot lately.

      • Yes, I am. But not this time. For some reason the last couple of days I haven’t been able to view all the comments on a given post. Now, suddenly all are here on this one that was only allowing me to view, at most, 50. Weird.

        • This very thing has happened to me.

          I had to use another web engine to view all the posts from another threat after it got past 60 replies or so. Happened to me a couple days ago.

  39. Trump/Putin 2020

    “President Donald Trump acknowledged Tuesday that he did not raise reports of Russian bounties on American troops during his phone call last week with President Vladimir Putin, suggesting U.S. intelligence on the matter was “fake news.”
    “No, that was a phone call to discuss other things. And frankly, that’s an issue that many people said was fake news,” Trump told Axios’ Jonathan Swan.
    When pressed on who specifically had used that term to describe the U.S. intelligence, Trump said: “I think a lot of people. If you look at some of the wonderful folks from the Bush administration, some of them, not any friends of mine, were saying that it’s a fake issue, but a lot of people said it’s a fake issue.”
    The president did not identify which officials from former President George W. Bush’s administration had spoken dismissively of the alleged Russian bounties, which came to light last month after the New York Times first reported that U.S. intelligence officials concluded the Kremlin’s military intelligence unit offered to pay Taliban-linked militants in Afghanistan to kill American troops and other coalition forces there.
    Top administration officials have been uneven in their explanations of the extent to which Trump was briefed on the bounties, but POLITICO reported earlier this month that the White House told congressional lawmakers the relevant intelligence was included in the president’s daily written brief in late February.”

    Of course he didn’t discuss it with Putin, he doesn’t want to anger his Daddy.
    And regarding the Russian threat to our servicemen and women serving in Afghanistan, like Trump said “they knew what they were getting into when they joined up”.

    • That has to be the stupidest claim ever. In WWII, suppose the Germans were paying a bounty to the Japanese for killing Americans? Yo dumbass, Taliban been killing Americans for like 20 years, bounty unnecessary, REALLY stupid claim, and you fell for it!

    • Didn’t we have over two years of investigation over the tired Russia – Trump lie? All media kept talking about coming bombshell of evidence only to go out with a fizz.

      • Didn’t we have over two years of investigation over the tired Russia –

        Actually three plus and counting… Schiff-show STILL claims the evidence is hiding in plain sight even after the source AND the author of the alleged dossier BOTH admitted it was bullshit… Oh well, some people are just above silly FACTS and prefer (as Creepy Braindead Biden said) to choose their truths over facts…

  40. What have Trump/Republicans done for 2A?
    Republicans controlled the senate, the house and the presidency for two years,
    Could’ve done away with the NFA, reopened the machine gun registry or passed into law any number of non-Fudd 2A supportive bills.
    I’m serious, I am disappointed for the missed opportunity.

    • Republicans controlled the senate, the house and the presidency for two years,

      They did NOT control the Senate.. For the first two years they had a simple two vote majority in a body that requires 60 votes for passage of legislation but only 51 to seat a Federal Judge/Supreme Court Justice, otherwise they can’t do anything without Dem votes…. Of course things looked a bit brighter in 2018 til they lost they lost the house and RINO Romney got elected to the Senate (a never Trumper vote in the D column)…

      • I stand corrected, well, actually sit corrected.
        Does one foresee anything 2A positive if the election results in republican ascendancy in Congress and the Whitehouse?
        And SCOTUS because of new justices being appointed

        • Can’t say anything positive will be added but see neutral as a huge plus over the absolute destruction of 2A that will rain down under Biden with Beto as “gun confiscation czar”

    • You are correct, Trump and his minions are only paying lip service to the 2A.

      Why don’t you let me know when Trump does anything at all to support the Second Amendment, you know like Barack Obama signing the Democrat bill to allow the carrying of firearms on hundreds of thousands of acres of national Forest and bureau of land management lands.

      Let me know when he increases your freedoms like Obama did by authorizing both bump stocks and pistol braces during his administration.

      Oh yeah, it’s a little late on that issue, Trump has already signed an executive order making millions of bump stock owners felons overnight.

      It is so sad to see so many dupes of the conspiracy prattle on about how great Donald Trump is for America.

      • You know, the lavish attention that Marxist trolls are devoting to this forum is a testament to their terror of ideas presented in a truly open discussion, and their desperation to hijack and control every discussion on every public forum everywhere.

      • “Why don’t you let me know when Trump does anything at all to support the Second Amendment, you know like Barack Obama signing the Democrat bill to allow the carrying of firearms on hundreds of thousands of acres of national Forest and bureau of land management lands.”

        You mean something like extending the carry on all the land under the Corps of Engineers?

        • You mean when the courts forced the Corps of Engineers to obey the constitution?
          You mean when the courts forced the Corps of Engineers to obey the constitution?

          “Denver, CO – Dec. 17, 2019 – Mountain States Legal Foundation declared victory today in Nesbitt v. U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineer’s decision not to reinstate an appeal of the ruling against its firearms ban is an unequivocal win for the Second Amendment and U.S. citizens.

          “The government’s decision not to reinstate its Ninth Circuit appeal is a victory for Second Amendment supporters everywhere,” said Cody Wisniewski, MSLF’s lead attorney on the case. “This means the Corps of Engineers remains prohibited from enforcing its unconstitutional ordinance against our clients or anyone in the State of Idaho. MSLF will remain vigilant to ensure other Americans are not subject to the Corps’ unconstitutional regulation.”

          That decision had nothing to do with Donald Trump, the courts properly forced the Corps of Engineers to obey the constitution.

    • I would have been happy if they could have at least gotten the hearing protection act passed. But I guess I’m not conservative enough. They call me a democRat, shill, lint licker and attack my marriage. Good work Red Team.

  41. I live in Massivetwosh!ts, so my vote doesn’t count. No matter who I vote for, the Dem is going to win my state’s electoral vote. The Irish mob will see to that.

    If you live in a one-party state, as many of us do, your vote doesn’t matter either. And forget about voting to “send a message.” Politicians don’t listen to your messages. Why should politicians listen to you when George Soros has millions of messages to send them?

    People get the government they deserve. They also get the country they deserve. Right now, the people don’t deserve the United States of America. They deserve Somalia. And they’re getting it good and hard.

    • ” People get the government they deserve. ”

      There was a time when I would have agreed with that, but not any more. The government we have now was bought and paid for by a small group of ultra-wealthy and influential and was shoved down our throats whether we liked it (we don’t) or not. Whether you are coming from the right or the left, this is not the government any of us deserve.

  42. The real question for you 2A morons is, what do you have control over? We control the cities. We control the police departments. We control many state governments. You 2A freaks are so scared of us (the left) that you won’t even come out behind your computers. What protests have you attended? What buildings have you burned down and teashed? Where are your vaunted weapons? Too scared to use ’em huh? The reason Biden is going to tear a new asshole in this presidency in November is because of one genetic factor. The vaunted right has NO balls. You sit trembling behind your computers afraid of confrontation with BLM and ANTIFA. Our rocks and bottles are more powerful than your AR’s and our numbers dwarf yours. But wait there’s more bad news for you “militia” morons. Come 2021 we are going to a rural area near you. You gonna tremble on your knees as we wipe out rural America in front of you and as we loot your property of guns and ammo. You lost this election before it started. You’re not fighting us now and you won’t be fighting us in November. Gun freaks going out with a whimper than a bang. Yeah bro your time is up.

    • Were not behind computers but you leftist keep pushing and you’ll see what comes out a few million of us who have actually fought in real wars and will vanquish or exterminate you in short order! USMC

    • ? Where are your vaunted weapons? Too scared to use ’em huh?

      Now, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, Rifleboy, in Austin just hours before he achieved room temperature after he tested the wrong fucking guy….. How much of other peoples shit have YOU burned and destroyed, your momma must be proud… Anyway, my stuff is right here next to my keyboard waiting for some dumbass like you to run up and go all “tough guy” on me.. It’s been a few years since I killed a man, but I still remember how….

    • As a courtesy, most of the time folks engage in long satire on this website they will include a sarcasm tag. For example: /sarc
      You are not a regular poster, so I don’t expect you to know that. But now you do.

    • Now there is a classic bit of troll propaganda, a real work of art!

      And, it looks like you pulled in a few short bus riders here on TTAG, I think there may be a catch limit so you’ll have to throw some of them back.

  43. The choice is ebola or aids. Ebola-Joe will have this country cucked to blue helmets and marxists in six months and bleeding from every orifice. AIDS-Trump give us time to maneuver, mount defenses, build contingencies, and like “Magic” maybe even survive the lie. Or, maybe God sends you a war general who is exactly what you need, a bad guy during bad times willing and capable of doing not so nice things. Then there is always a “mittens romney” write in. Either way, See ya’ll in november during the next american civil conflict.

  44. I did not vote for Donald Trump during the last election. I’m good with that decision. I often got the “lesser of two evils” argument, and I will continue to point out for those who are making that argument that you are agreeing to vote for evil. I won’t.
    But I will be voting for Donald Trump this time.
    When it comes to the Second Amendment, I said, here on this website, that I would not vote for Trump unless he did a few things, and he has done those things. First and foremost was to provide a solid list of conservatives that he would appoint to the bench. And that he has done.
    The bump stock ban was a huge and massive failure, and that in and of itself would be enough to make me not vote for him, if I was a single issue voter. I am not.
    Trump is not a gun guy. He’s friend of the 2A. But frankly, he’s not any worse than everyone else I’ve voted for in the general over the last 25+ years.
    Trump gets my vote because of an effective foreign policy, especially on defense, and an exceptional national fiscal policy, especially when it comes to taxes and energy policy. I want four more years of those policies.

    • I’ve never liked Trump. But I’ll vote for him again. The alternative to Trump is just too horrible to contemplate. He has done some good things. Appointing judges and the economy. Everybody was getting ahead under his time in office until the dems have made a deliberate effort to derail the economy. Hopefully it will bite them in the ass come November.

  45. And here it is, step number two in the dictator’s playbook, suspend free elections:

    “With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA,” he wrote. “Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???”
    Republican president Donald J. Trump

    Mmmmm, smells like… tyranny

    • Smells like Trump sees through your side’s attempt to fraud the elections even more than usual and on mass scale.

    • There is an ongoing armed rebellion against the .gov in the streets and an attempt to overthrow the legally elected .gov with these phony impeachments and collusion conspiracies.

      miner. You trip all over yourself to denounce the traitors of the south like Davis and Lee. But our modern traitors you actually seem to support. Am I wrong?

      Remember. The north did not press trials and executions of southern leadership after the war because Lincoln had been in favor of healing the nation, not punishing. Who is the Lincoln of this generation? I doubt we will have one. Civil war 2.0 will be massive and bloody.

    • I pop in every now and then for the lulz and have observed your efforts over the past couple years now, we’ve spoken once or twice. You’re still just not getting it. You completely miss understand your audience. You’re a living example of why no one foresaw Trump’s victory You’re still trapped in the same dialectical paradigm you were two years ago. You’re arguing from some abstract geopolitical orthodoxy of the 80’s that you hypothesize that the average hypothetical conservative would or should care about. They don’t! You’re wrong! It’s been 40 years, they’ve caught up. The illusions of our institutions have been laid bare. Your talking about the defense of places most Americans have only seen on T.V. and really just have no interest in or value for, from a third world boogeyman with a navy 1/20th the size of ours. Bounties on troops that should never have been deployed in the first place and yet a bi-partisan consensus in congress has been sacrificing for twenty years. These same people were only pretending to care in the eighties,… they never really did,… it was all Budweiser, ball games and bullshit,… and they’ve stopped pretending now. It’s like being naïve enough to believe that the trailer to the movie actually represents how good the movie is gonna be, instead of the best 90 seconds out of 250 years spliced together. I understand what youre trying to accomplish but you still havn’t figured out that youre going about it poorly.

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