What happens when dear old dad discovers a pervy peeping Tom outside his teen daughter’s bedroom? On a good day, it’s a recipe for an extra-judicial tuneup. In San Antonio on Wednesday evening, dad rushed outside to “counsel” the alleged offender. But seeing a red-faced, angry dad approaching, Tom reportedly pulled a knife.
At that point dad reached for his carry piece (hint: this why you carry every day) and cracked off a couple of shots, apparently missing the knife-wielding creeper. Tom decided to run like the wind. Or at least that’s what the police reports say.
We don’t have Tom’s side of the story. He didn’t stick around long enough to tell police his version of things. Instead he was probably still cleaning himself after losing bowel and bladder control.
KENS5 has the story:
A man shot at a peeping Tom he said was staring at his daughter through her bedroom window late Wednesday night on the far northwest side of town.
It happened around 10:30 p.m. in the 6800 block of Seco Creek near Loop 1604.
When officers arrived at the location, they met with a father who said he was forced to shoot at a man that was standing outside of his daughters window.
Police say it all started when the man’s daughter caught someone staring at her through her bedroom window, and she immediately left her room and told her dad.
The father went outside and caught the man near his daughters window. He told police that the ‘peeper’ pulled out a knife and lunged at him.
The father said he pulled out a gun and shot towards the suspect several times. According to police, they didn’t find anyone with gunshot wounds.
As an after-action on the event: If dad found himself within knife range and missed with multiple shots, maybe he needs some good night sights or a red dot optic for his defensive handgun. Or maybe basic marksmanship training and some range time.
If your defensive pistol doesn’t have tritium sights or an optic, get one or the other (or both) right now. Most deadly force incidents happen in low-light or no-light environments.
Lastly, Mr. Tom is a lucky guy. However he should probably find a new hobby if he wants to reach retirement age.
I’ve trained my daughter to keep her curtains pulled close, because it’s actually legal to look into the windows of the neighbors from outside, or their backyard, or their daughter’s bedroom window. From your private property, or public property, you can look at anything you want.
Dad was the aggressor here, and it’s a good thing he didn’t shoot him.
This was in Texas, I’m certain if the Dad was out of ilne the PoisonBloo would have at least “informed” him.
The perv was trespssing on private property. Playing Peeper is also illegal.
As to keeping huer curtains closed, that’s wrong. If she wants the outside view from her own window, no reason she should not have it. Just make sure the window is secured from forced entry.
As to the Dad.. at that range, he should have enough familiariety with his Little Friend he should have been able to point shoot intuitively. Of the several rounds fired, ONE should have found its mark. Really dont need sights until well past the 21 foot mark.
Casually viewing what is inside someone else’s home as one walks by on the street is legal.. as long as you remain on the public right of way. Step onto someone else’s dirt, that changes. STanding there ogling is another matter entirely. The Dad was well in the right to “intervene” with this intruder. Intruder should be glad Dad was such a poor shot. Or else desired only to make the perp go “code brown”, as opposed to killing him. Hope the perv is smart enough to not engage in a replay.
anonymous…pulling a knife on a property owner gets you legitimately dead especially if you are a pervert up to no good. Enjoying the scenery and stalking are two different things.
Depends on if you need to defend yourself from a property owner looking to inflict grievous bodily harm or death on you. Unless he is following her around, he’s not stalking.
I’d have hit him with a tomato from the front porch and told him to fuck off. If he came at me with the knife, then, well, that’s that. But I’m not going to approach him and make him feel like he needs to defend himself from me with his knife.
Prove it. You can’t. The story doesn’t say he was on private property. For all we know, he was standing on the sidewalk outside the home.
Not if you are on a sidewalk.
No it’s not! If she is naked and her curtain is open, I’m going to be upset about it. And obviously that is what the peeping Tom is there for right??? He’s not there to see her with her clothes on.
That’s because the shots were to chase him off. We don’t even know if he actually had a knife. Dad has to justify the shots, or he’s going to jail. Thus “he had a knife” works out pretty well. To be honest, it’s a good excuse, I probably would have used it too.
Actually, and again, if they are standing on the sidewalk they can look at whatever they want.
Sure. He can go over there and talk to him. And the guy can tell dad to fuck off too. If dad puts his hands on him, he might have to knife dad, resulting in dad having to shoot knifer. Hope there are no witnesses, because they won’t work in dads favor.
The bottom line – it wasn’t a good shoot, and it wasn’t a good idea to risk being the aggressor.
Has lil d a new non screen name?. This “anonymous” is just as stupid.
..lot of “ifs’ there, anon…as you know, if ifs ands and buts were candy and nuts, we’d all have a Merry Christmas…
Anonymous, “From your private property, or public property, you can look at anything you want. ”
However, this implies that the peeper was not on his private property or public property:
“The father went outside and caught the man near his daughters window.”
It doesn’t add up that the father was the aggressor considering the peeping Tom was on private(father’s) property and the P Tom pulled a knife. The Tom is certainly guilty of trespassing on property that was neither his nor public..
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That gets kinda iffy. If you watch the video, it seems they live in an apartment complex. It’s probably safe to say that all of the outside areas in the complex are “common areas”, or, for most purposes, “public” areas.
In this case, however, Tom seems to have approached the girl’s window, standing nearby, staring intently at her. Pretty obviously a peeping Tom, not just a happenstance glance at a window while he was walking past. Worse, he was still there when Dad carried himself outside to confront Tom.
What is noteworthy is, the cops didn’t file any charges against Dad. In the wrong jurisdiction, with some ultra-liberal Soros funded prosecutor, Dad might be facing charges.
Paul, I did not see the link to the video until your reply. Also, I did not realize it was an apartment complex which I agree makes for a different set of issues relative to public and private property. Anonymous is certainly correct about having curtains, blinds closed and especially in an apartment complex.
I also find it noteworthy that the police did not detain or charge the dad. In other states he would have been charged and made out to be the thug in this event.
Even if he is standing outside on the lawn, it doesn’t mean you get to beat him up. You can tell him to leave, and if he doesn’t leave you can call the cops and they will forcibly remove him from your property. Beat people up who walk on your lawn, and the police will come and arrest you.
Peeping Tom pulled a knife because he knew he was a peeping Tom and he knew dad was angry and looking to put his hands on him. That is what the jury will be convinced by a prosecutor. Don’t delude yourself.
Doesn’t mean you get to put your hands on them. You inform them they are trespassing and tell them to leave. If they don’t, you call the cops and they will forcibly remove them. If you beat them up for trespassing, the cops will be arresting you.
And it wasn’t a good idea to be peeping in a window at a teenage girl. At a minimum that will get you a stout rap on the snot locker.
You don’t want Anonymous for a lawyer.
Jim, I agree with that!
I doubt he’d make a decent doorstop.
“I’ve got a great deal for you. Plead guilty to a felony with only time already served and five years felony probation
“Here’s my bill, that includes all the phone calls you made to my office and the extra time I spent with the DDA working out this fabulous plea deal.”
Anonymous the lawyer.
Yep….better call Saul….LOL
Dad was not the “aggressor” here, guy.
Dude was literally standing outside his daughters window and then pulled a knife when confronted. Not sure what liberal state you live in but in Texas he was justified.
It has nothing to do with a peeping Tom on his own property. Not sure why you even bother to bring that up.
“It has nothing to do with a peeping Tom on his own property. Not sure why you even bother to bring that up.”
It absolutely does. If the peeper is somewhere he is allowed to be, i.e. not on dad’s property, there is no crime. You can’t just threaten somebody because you don’t like what they’re doing, creepy or not.
The creep wasn’t on his own property. He was right outside the window. Do you idiots even read the article?
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Bright and Toughs and Ranger Ts.
I have that exact combo in my shoulder holstered P7M13.
I always carry a light on me, so no optic or WML necessary for my EDC gat. Harries method.
My full-size bedside gat, on the other hand, has a WML and extended mag, in case Mr. Tom has some buddies with him and they attempt an entry into Castle Haz.
I have the Trijicon HDs on the bedside gun, also a SureFire X400 light/laser. I keep the X400 set to laser only, carry a light when something goes bump.
A trespasser/intruder confronted with a laser suddenly popping on usually gets the message…….the rounds are going about 1″ above where the dot is placed.
“If dad found himself within knife range and missed with multiple shots, ”
Need a video to be sure about anything, but I’ll speak up for Dad here. Nothing that I see says Dad was actually within knife range of the suspect. All we know is, Tom saw Dad coming, and pulled a knife. The range may have been anything from 3 yards to 30 yards, or maybe even more. So, perp pulls a knife, Dad pulls gun, but perp is standing near his daughter’s window. Maybe Dad was afraid to aim directly at Tom, for fear of bullets hitting the building, endangering people inside.
Unless, and until, we have more details available, I’m giving Dad a pass on his marksmanship. None of us really wants to test our marksmanship in and around an apartment building, especially when our loved ones are inside of those apartments. Firing a few rounds into the ground should be safe enough though.
“Peeping Tom pulls out his wiener, dad pulls out a heater.”
“Peeping Tom tries to cum, dad shoots him with a gun.”
“Look at my D versus 45acp.”
Live by the San Antonio, die by the San Antonio.
“If dad found himself within knife range and missed with multiple shots, maybe he needs some good night sights or a red dot optic for his defensive handgun.”
H’mm. In an apartment complex. Maybe dad was uncertain the person he found outside may not have been the creep and put two rounds into the grass to scare his ass? Without actual video of the incident itself, things don’t quite add up here.
I’d be very concerned with launching lead on a horizontal plane in a high-density environment. Other apartment buildings in a complex make a very poor backstop… 🙁
“…poor backstop.”
I’ve always referred to common stud-and-gypsum construction as “ballistically transparent”.
“stud-and-gypsum construction as “ballistically transparent””
A very apt analogy, indeed…
This story does not pass “the smell” test. A real peeping tom would have run off immediately when he saw someone come out of the house. Obviously some sort of confrontation took place and we do not know over what. No one would have pulled out a knife when the other guy had a gun either.
Crackheads don’t behave rationally. If they did, they wouldn’t be crackheads.
So only CRACKHEADS are ‘Peeping Toms??’ Are you delusional . Bynthe way PEEPING TOMS do not ‘peep’ at closed curtains. In my misspent youth there was a certain curvaceous young lady of my village who regularly put a show on for the lads. Mind you to my knowledge she never even put out for anybody but for sure she knew exactly what the lads were doing.
Three doors down from me a certain 35 year old neighbouring housewife did the same thing but she DID put it out, or at least she did for my son who was 15 and used to baby-sit for her and her husband at the time, the lucky little bugger. I could have done with some of that! Didn’t do him any harm either!
Speaking from experience?
Has he found a way of slipping off the ankle bracelet?
Sumpthin, sumpthin, sumpthin… if you’re an idiot like lil’d, don’t expect that the other guy didn’t bring a gun to your knife fight.
Sumpthin, sumpthin, sumpthin…
“This story does not pass “the smell” test….”
Well lil’dtard, come on down here and ‘sniff around’ by little girls windows, preferably after sunset.
Let us know what you learn. 😄
Yes dacian and your comments stink!
“A real peeping tom would have run off immediately “—how do you know that?
“Obviously some sort of confrontation took place and we do not know over what.”—Yes we know what.
“Police say it all started when the man’s daughter caught someone staring at her through her bedroom window, and she immediately left her room and told her dad.
The father went outside and caught the man near his daughters window. He told police that the ‘peeper’ pulled out a knife and lunged at him.” It is obvious as to why the father ran outside.
And before you start with, perhaps the real peeper fled the scene. If that is the case, then why did this fantasy 2nd guy PULL A KNIFE?
“No one would have pulled out a knife when the other guy had a gun either.” And again, how do you know that? When the article states the father didn’t pull his gun until the peeper pulled a knife. “At that point dad reached for his carry piece” leading one to believe the peeper did not know the father had a gun until after he(peeper) pulled a knife and lunged at the father. If the peeper was so smart, then why did he not run upon seeing the father?
More information is needed for we don’t know if the father was carrying concealed or open. Regardless, the article tells us the father did not pull his gun until the peeper pulled the knife and lunged at him.
Yes sir. If anybody would know how a real peeping pervert thinks it would be dacian.
@daican
You are so full of it.
The only thing here that doesn’t pass the smell test is your nonsense.
Lil d apparently has some authority on the subject of peepin Tom. May actually get out of his moms basement on occasion.
BS THE PEEPING TOM IS THE AGGRESSOR , ALSO ANYONE ON PRIVATE HOME OWNER PROPERTY AT NIGHT PEEPING THROUGH WINDOWS IS DEFINITELY IN THE WRONG …
SHOOT THE BALLS OFF OR EYES OUT FIX THAT , ALL I HAVE TA SAY ABOUT DAT …
TRY USING S&W GOVERNOR N WINCHESTER PDX1 AMMO IF A NEXT TIME …
ALL I HAVE TA SAY ABOUT DAT …
Was that Joe Biden?
Duke Nukem?
The dad was the aggressor? You must be a bleeding heart progressive Biden loving democrat to think and say things like that. Sickening!
It’s 2022. Yes the dad would be the aggressor in a courtroom. It’s unfortunate, but that’s the way it is.
No… it’s not…. You sure seem hell bent on defending the pervert here. All the scenarios you’ve put forth in your many desperate comments here have 0 to do with the actual event that happened.
The peeping Tom wasn’t on his property or in the road or on a side walk or in a tree. He was literally standing outside the window looking in. The dad has every right to confront him and no reason to retreat. The guy then pulled a knife.
You need to seriously read about castle doctrine and stand your ground laws in certain states because whatever you are familiar with doesn’t apply everywhere.
As was stated this was Texas, even in deep blue Houston, the prosecutors aren’t going to try and take something like that to trial. A. The Grand Jury would likely no bill it and B. A jury certainly is going to say tough cookies for the peeper.
We have criminals shot every week in Houston and pretty much zero prosecutions for that when it’s remotely a good shoot.
Blue City & County Court Clerks have learned how to pack the Jury Pool with known loyalists to insure correct verdicts in important trials. Even Grand Juries are now tainted.
Look at DC….no Democrat will get convicted; no GOP will get acquitted.
Here’s an example.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/trial-of-texas-father-accused-of-shooting-driver-who-killed-2-sons-raises-legal-moral-issues
I think dad was smart enough to call his warning shots “misses”.
I bet he didn’t hit Tom ‘cuz Tom didn’t have a knife.
1 out of 12 criminals use a gun. Around 87% run when confronted by a victim with a firearm.
7 out of 12 criminals use a knife (or another sharpened/edged weapon). 15% of them run immediately when confronted by a victim with a firearm. Almost 70% will try/feint to attack initially when confronted by a victim with a firearm in the belief they can test the victims resolve then they run. —– 4 out of 12 criminals use hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’. Its about the same as it is for the knife (or another sharpened/edged weapon) when confronted by a victim with a firearm.
~1,300 victims of knife attacks daily across the nation. ~3,500 victims of hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’ attacks daily across the nation.
~1,300 victims of knife attacks daily across the nation. ~3,500 victims of hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’ attacks daily across the nation.
~3,500 victims daily because attacks with hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’ because these are conducted at a higher rate for crimes of opportunity or in domestic violence.
~1,300 victims daily of knife attacks at a lower number than attacks with hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’ because knives are used more in planned targeted attacks which happen at a lower rate than in crimes of opportunity or in domestic violence with hands/feet/other ‘objects/things’. If the criminal uses a knife its more likely they planned and/or targeted to seriously injure or kill.
Told the police that the guy pulled a knife NOT that he did pull a knife. ONe word against another! Not cause to shoot somebod dead.
If the ‘guy had been shot and killed and there had been not been knife, and even if there had and there had been no direct threat, the shooter would have been in very deep doo-doo. If every ‘Peeping Tom im American was ‘shot’ the casualty list would be in the bloody millions. A person standing 20 ft away or running away waving a knife is Not a direct threat.
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