NRA Warns Trump on Background Check Support

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The NRA’s embattled Executive Director Wayne LaPierre warned President Trump that promoting additional gun control would not go over well among his supporters. LaPierre, breaking from the NRA’s past tendency to maintain a low profile following news-making spree killings, reportedly made the comments in a phone call with President Trump Tuesday.

From The Greenwich Time:

President Donald Trump has repeatedly told lawmakers and aides in private conversations that he is open to endorsing extensive background checks in the wake of two mass shootings, prompting a warning from the National Rifle Association and concerns among White House aides, according to lawmakers and administration officials.

It’s notable that President Trump has repeatedly said publicly that he supports “strong background checks” not necessarily the universal background checks that would end private gun sales in America.

Trump, speaking to reporters Wednesday before visiting Dayton, Ohio, and El Paso, Texas, where weekend shootings left 31 dead, said there “was great appetite for background checks” amid an outcry over government inaction in the face of repeated mass shootings.

NRA chief executive Wayne LaPierre spoke with Trump on Tuesday after the president expressed support for a background check bill and told him it would not be popular among Trump’s supporters, according to officials who spoke on the condition of anonymity to freely discuss internal talks. LaPierre also argued against the bill’s merits, the officials said.

The NRA, which opposes the legislation sponsored by Sens. Patrick Toomey, R-Pa., and Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va., declined to comment.

Advisers to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said he would not bring any gun-control legislation to the floor without widespread Republican support. Trump has waffled, current and past White House officials say, between wanting to do more and growing concerned that doing so could prompt a revolt from his political base. Even some supporters of the Manchin-Toomey bill, which would expand background checks to nearly all firearm sales, say it is unlikely to pass.

One can’t help but wonder if Democrats really want to pass meaningful gun control or if they prefer to  politicize select tragedies for political gain going into an election year.

As for Republicans, despite the mainstream media’s narrative and fervent wishes, only a handful have gone wobbly on guns. Aside from Lindsey Graham, Illinois Congressman Adam Kinzinger has marked himself as one of the few turncoats on gun rights.

Kinzinger says he supports all manner of gun control now, including raising the minimum purchase age for all guns to 21, a ban on some magazines and banning private gun sales.

On a personal note, I look forward to assisting in Kinzinger’s retirement from Congress in the coming election season. Guns Save Life will no doubt be doing everything it can to help facilitate either a successful primary challenge on Kinzinger or his loss in the general election. After all, we can’t sit idly by as our so-called friends stab us in the back, promoting gun control after they were elected to oppose it.

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  1. avatar jwm says:

    Just keep loading those courts, Trump. And do something about the 9th circuit.

    1. avatar DDay says:

      the 9th is now 16 democrat nominees and 12 GOP nominees. If trump gets a 2nd term, he’ll flip the 9th.

      1. avatar Hank says:

        This is a such a huge benefit to us. It’s unfortunate that he personally has little real 2A support, but I’d wager most of us knew that before the election. Him placing conservative judges abroad is also ironically shooting himself in the foot on his own gun control support. If we can get Trump a second term and keep the senate red, we’ll be sitting very high in the federal courts. That’ll be a huge thorn in the side of the next democrat president. If nothing else gets done in that time span, it doesn’t really even matter. If the goal is restricting government power and enhancing checks and balances, then a few more years of gridlock piled on a heavy conservative court lean is just what the country needs.

        1. avatar DaveP. says:

          “It’s unfortunate that he personally has little real 2A support…”

          Which makes him different from the last three Republican presidents- and the last three unsuccessful Republican presidential candidates- in no way. Hell, he’s still head and shoulders above Mitt.

          Guys, y’all need to stop worrying about what bills Trump will sign and start working on your state parties to keep any bills from getting in front of him in the first place.

        2. avatar Steven Lynch says:

          Indeed, need your right your local congressman and governor and find out where they stand. I know exactly where Greg Abbott stands

      2. avatar Jared says:

        One of those republicans on the 9th circuit is former Hawaii Attorney General Mark Bennet. He’s VERY anti-2A.

    2. avatar American Patriot says:

      Bring Chicago to the 9th Circuit…..

    3. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

      The 9th circus is, (last time I looked), tied for first place as the most overturned circus court. So if you push it to the Sumreme Court, it will likely get overturned.

      1. avatar SoBe says:

        You are right. Last time I checked the 9th is amongst the top reversed Circuit Courts; the Supreme Court reversed around 79% of the cases from the Ninth Circuit from 2010 to 2015.

  2. avatar RM says:

    The Bump Stock Ban didn’t go over well either…Trump is already in my doghouse when it comes to considering voting for him… He best not screw up any more.

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      I wonder if there has been a final count of those turned in.

      Bet the actual number is crazy low.

    2. avatar Jeff Mehl says:

      Who would you vote for besides Trump? ALL of the Democratic nominees are on record as supporting all sorts of restrictions, including some who outright support confiscation!

      1. avatar Ing says:

        I’d rather vote for a President Trump who hasn’t betrayed the Second Amendment.

        But if goes for more gun control, making it a choice between a Republican who really isn’t on our side at all or some Democrat who wants police to take my stuff at gunpoint, then I vote for none of them.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “….then I vote for none of them.”

          Refusing to play also influences the result.

          “You can’t win. You can’t breakeven. You can’t quit the game.”

      2. avatar Indy Jones says:

        See here’s the thing about that. Picture Obama or Hillary Clinton in the white house. A republican Senate and or house would not give an inch to either of these two. Absolutely nothing would pass. It would be a glorious 4 years. The only downside of course are judiciary nominations, but if we have the Senate it’s either nominate someone good or you get nothing

        There’s little downside and huge upside to a Democrat president and a galvanized gop Congress

        1. avatar Red says:

          Soros Troll Says… “There’s little downside and huge upside to a Democrat president and a galvanized gop Congress”

          Quite literally the dumbest effing comment on this board.

          Dem president equals open borders and red states flipping blue (among a whole host of federal agencies that are now controlled by radical Dems)

          Fly back to Soros now…Fly, Fly, Fly!

  3. avatar Whatever says:

    This is the best time to go on the offensive and push for National Reciprocity and ending of gun free zones.

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      “National Reciprocity”

      Not going to happen.

      Do you really think any of the NE Cities, such as NYC, is going to allow me (South Carolina) to CCW? Or Baltimore? ect Heck, sanctuary cities are in full rebellion against the Fed law when it comes to illegal aliens. The cities will not listen, even to Federal Courts including SCOTUS.

      National Reciprocity is a great dream but..

      1. avatar Peaches_Sabrina says:

        NCCR is going to have to come from the courts not the Senate. You will never get to 60 with that. You would have to basically flip 7 Senate seats.

    2. avatar Donttreadonme says:

      I’m with you 100%. Part of the problem is that the left is always on the offensive and the so-called right is always playing a very weak defense. The right needs to go on offense. Trump campaigned on National reciprocity, and I have yet to see him do anything about that.

  4. avatar Fudds McKenzie says:

    It would be bad for the NRA. They have their fingerprints on red flag laws and background checks. They’re probably just worried Trump will exhaust their remaining credibility, with all but dyed-in-the-wool Fudds.

    Bad for Trump himself? Pfft, lets not kid ourselves. We’ve got no leverage and no resolve. The gun culture has shown itself willing to beg for the apparent lesser of two evils, he has an R after his name which automatically makes him the lesser for y’all, and is incumbent.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      LaPierre is also trying to make himself appear important & relevant in this article, as well

  5. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    I can provide my own “Bread and Circuses”. I don’t need the Presidents. Just pack the courts with a conservative legacy. And go back to what you said in the 2016 campaign. And Yes I know that TTAG is monitored by Eric and Donald Jr. for you. LISTEN TO US.

  6. avatar former water walker says:

    So WHO is surprised an ILLinois RINO is turncoating(I just coined that😫)??? At best ILL republitards suck. And IF the NRA keeps Drumph from becoming a dim I may reup next year…

  7. avatar Mike Hawkizard says:

    He did not rule out looking at a ban on assault weapons, but noted there is a dispute over whether the 1994 ban that expired in 2004 had showed results.

    Read more here: https://www.kentucky.com/news/politics-government/article233630997.html#storylink=cpy

    McConnell is turning on us.

    1. avatar Peaches_Sabrina says:

      No McConnell is not turning on us. McConnell has blocked the two bills that came to the Senate from the House, if he was turning on us, those would have been passed into law already. My guess is he is giving the D’s just enough rope to hang themselves with as well as give cover to the likes of Cory Gardner.

  8. avatar IN Dave says:

    Bump stock ban (violation of 2nd amendment), considering ban on violent movies or games (violation of 1st amendment), Red flag laws (violation of 4th amendment). Dear lord would someone tell this idiot (please insert trump or LaPierre as you would like) that a trifecta is good for betting on the ponies but not for the violation of the bill of rights. Am I the only one hoping for a strong 2A libertarian candidate?

    1. avatar Fudds McKenzie says:

      I’m not hoping for it. We don’t deserve one, as a group we have not found liberty within ourselves. So even if it magically happened, we’d screw it up again. I’ve stopped looking to politics to get what I want, the illusion of a way to vote up recognition of rights is a string they use to manipulate. I’ve snipped mine. And guess what, the sun still rises. It’s not that big of a deal.

      1. avatar IN Dave says:

        Well said. And I don’t disagree. It is easy to forget how little politics actually effect our daily life. I mean hell after everything the opposition even admits that something like a background check not being passed. Then compare this to the state of California that needs to pass a gun ban once or twice a year to even attempt to keep up with the loop holes that gun guys find

    2. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “Am I the only one hoping for a strong 2A libertarian candidate?”

      To what purpose?

      Trump was/is a disrupter. Look at how energetically the Republicrats supported him during the Russia hoax. Then look at Jesse Ventura as Governor in Minnesota; no coat tails, no support from the Republicrats, Libertarians, and Conservatives.

      A Libertine (spelled correctly) candidate trying to gain the backing of Trump voters would fare no better than Ventura. And certainly no better at getting legislation through than Trump. 63 million voters had a chance to vote Libertine in 2016. There is a real reason for that. A vote for Libertines makes the Dimwitocrat job easier. Buy you, and all the Libertines already know that. So….seriously, really, seriously, what is the point of looking for a third-party to win the presidency? Oh, yeah, right. If people would just decide to support a truly principled candidate (Libertine), that candidate could actually win. If a bullfrog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its ass on the ground.

      1. avatar Hank says:

        The funny part about the third party people is that Trump is actually the closet thing to a third party President this country will ever have. So if you love the idea of a third party, then soak it up, because this is it.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “…Trump is actually the closet thing to a third party President this country will ever have.”

          Exactly. And look what Trump hasn’t been able to do because the Republicrats don’t like his style, and accomplishing things (few thought they are) that establishment Republicrats, and Conservative, Inc. promised but never seem able to do. After Trump’s term (or term), the Repubs got no one who will fight off the liberal wave.

        2. avatar Hank says:

          Indeed. I would hope that Trump’s constant fighting of the media making him popular would show other republicans how it’s done. And to some effect that did work for some like Lindsay Graham. But I could also see them going back to the quietness of the Bush years. I get the quiet professionalism stance of that, but the problem is, politics actually is about who can scream the loudest.

    3. avatar B.D. says:

      I don’t necessary support libertarians, but I strongly do not support dems/repubs either. Independant is where it’s at. But it will NEVER happen with all the political money floating around polarizing sides.

    4. avatar Craig in IA says:

      “Am I the only one hoping for a strong 2A libertarian candidate?”

      Hope so, because there’s no way a Libertarian would win.

      As for Kinziner, John- go get him! I led a gun show campaign in 1994 against 34 yr sitting democrat US Rep Neal Smith, a democrat who was always reliable to IA gun owners during his long tenure until Hillbilly Bill came along. Our focus was not only against him but also much added support for his opponent, who won by more than a fair margin. Bad thing was, as often happens. the new Rep, Ganske became enamored with the DC crowd and six years later we had to go after him. National politics…

    5. avatar Hugh Glass says:

      Yes. All it would do, if anything, is take away Trump voters. The only motivation for the other side is to get him out of office. Period. And it’s a very strong motivation.

  9. avatar Steven Lynch says:

    They can ban anything they want, but if no one enforces it, who gives a shit, glad to hear the spice in the NRA’s voice again

  10. avatar Nanashi says:

    LaPierre is condemning the same background checks he testified before Congress in favor of.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvJ2kHpbC1g

    Any wonder people want him gone?

  11. avatar MtnDewey says:

    after the bump stock ban and the comment about suppressors I’m keeping an eye on him and the NRA.

    1. avatar Stan Darsh says:

      Don’t forget .50 BMG upper receivers. They’re not illegal yet, but you now have to go through an FFL and the subsequent NICS check. It sets the precedent to force us to go through an FFL/NICS when you order any upper or even any gun part.

      1. avatar GluteusMaximus says:

        I never heard anything about that

  12. avatar Aaron Walker says:

    I think its fine time for the GOP or the Libertarian party to place another candidate for President. If Prez. Trump ISN’T going to listen to base of voters…And is going to follow the route of “Big Centerized Goverment, Authoritarianism, Paternalism, and constitutional infringements…” Then IT’S time for El Presidenta Trump to leave office for a true President that wholeheartedly supports OUR constitutional rights and doesn’t blame the general population for the actions of others. (Re: Especially, suspicious events that look very “Deep State” oriented…)

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Yeah… because I”m sure that will totally convince the DNC’s genocidal socialist base not to vote a rabid socialist into office.

      You want a rabid libertarian candidate? GOP primaries start in 4 years. I’d get planing. The libertarian party on a federal level is just a Soros puppet used to split the right wing vote.

    2. avatar Hank says:

      The libertarian party is a joke. Look at the candidates they’ve put forward. On top of that, they’ve morphed into “liberal light”, as even modest left wing criticism causes them to capitulate.

  13. avatar Missouri_Mule says:

    He better dance with the one that brung him…

  14. avatar Chief Censor says:

    John, Trump is the one that told Republicans to support that gun control after Mandalay Bay and Parkland. Why don’t you give Kinzinger a pass like you do Trump? Or are you going to vote out Trump too so you can be principally consistent?

    So called universal background checks is database creation, aka gun registration. It’s not the “active” type of gun registration, it’s a passive registration. Meaning, you are not forced to register all your gun or else, you are forced to register your guns whenever you transfer them to someone else.

    Trump already “expanded” background checks when he happily signed the Fix NICS bill.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      He did so in exchange for nothing. The plan was to tie it to HPA, but he gave it away instead. We could be debating whether or not to put cans back on the NFA now, instead of yet another inch or more to be taken from us.

  15. avatar pwrserge says:

    Oh, god… here come the libertardians again screaming about how Drumf is evil and that NOT voting for him totally won’t result in a genocidal Demokkkommie taking office and having every one of them stood up against a wall and shot.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      If they do that without banning the guns first, they’ll find said democide difficult. So really, the true enemy is anyone trying to disarm us.

      I expect we can rely on you to oppose Democrat gun control, but I’m not so sure when it comes to Republican gun control. Ergo folks like yourself are what forces the hand of folks like me, that have been reduced to voting for pure pragmatism over aspirational ideology.

      1. avatar pwrserge says:

        Voting for ideology is retarded. No candidate is ever going to pass an ideological purity test.

        People always forget that primaries are things that exist. Primarying an incumbent president is retarded, but bitching about losing the nomination to Trump for 8 years and having no party loyalty is just sad.

        1. avatar Chief Censor says:

          You always say we can primary Trump in order to elect a true conservative. Now you are saying you are retarded for thinking that?

          Party loyalty? Those are words of a commie. Where were you born? Where did your family come from? You might have caught some of that commie disease.

          Trump doesn’t have party loyalty. He was a Democrat then he became a Republican. Then he started to go back to doing Democrat things like gun control. He fired many people that didn’t flip around like he does.

          If you don’t support the tenants of the party, how are you loyal to the party? If the people in the party are not ideologically consistent is that a party at all? If Oprah ran as a Republican would you accept her as a Republican? There has to be a minimum level of Republican principles adhered to for a person to be considered Republican, right?

          I didn’t know it was okay to support gun registration and gun confiscation as a Republican. I didn’t know it was okay to advocate for corporate censorship and spying on my party members as a Republican.

          I need to go ask a Democrat Socialist how to be a proper Republican. Apparently finding one of those will be very easy.

        2. avatar pwrserge says:

          Thanks for proving my point.

        3. avatar barnbwt says:

          Serge is Trumpetarian. He’s voting just as aspirationally as the most dreamy-eyed libertarian, he’s putting all his hopes in a man rather than an idea, without any regard for the actual results or their likelihood.

        4. avatar Chief Censor says:

          How about Trump proves my point himself?

      2. avatar Hank says:

        The republicans get bashed a lot for being weak, but I’d like to point out that despite both Trump and a full on liberal assault on the 2A, there’s been no successful federal gun control and the vast majority of republican held states are very 2A friendly. If the GOP was being manipulated by Trump the way it’s often presented, there’d be a couple gun bills on the presidents desk by now. I’m just as disappointed as everyone that national carry or the HPA didn’t pass, but I think this proves that we need to all support at least keeping congress in GOP hands.

        1. avatar Ed Schrade says:

          As much as I dislike old Mitch, he has blocked gun control from the senate, maybe he will this time. If the repubs vote in more gun control then I will not waste my time or gasoline going to vote for the s o b ‘s. If they will not stand up for our constitutional rights what good are they ?

        2. avatar barnbwt says:

          Yeah, we only lost Florida, the 2nd largest pro-gun state, because of Trump encouraging weak Republicans to be antigun like him. No biggie.

        3. avatar edward kenway's ghost says:

          Republican National Committee (RNC) cold calls ring my house at least twice a week.
          I won’t give them donations. I won’t talk to them, and if I did, it would quite possibly be only to insult them as I consider the R’s to be only marginally less caustic than a bunch of property-stealing, blasphemous God-hating baby killers.

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          What a smart move… Just take your ball and go home. I’m sure the NKVD won’t be kicking down your door once the Demokkkommies establish their politburo.

  16. avatar barnbwt says:

    The author is a member of Trump’s 2nd Amendment Council; why should he have to rely on media reports for the inside track on his intentions?

    1. avatar M1Lou says:

      Probably because that council died back in 2017, shortly after inauguration. I haven’t see anything about it in a long time.

      1. avatar barnbwt says:

        “That’s the joke.” -McBane

      2. avatar SouthAl says:

        Yup, that was its intended lifespan. It doesn’t appear to have been anything more than a PR activity.

  17. avatar Timothy Toroian says:

    If that is hinting at supporting someone else you just might have to deal with me, personally, if a Democrat is elected as a result!!!

    1. avatar John in Ohio says:

      Add me to your little hit list there, Skippy. Just make sure you leave a manifesto somewhere online.

  18. avatar ScottMc says:

    I’ve been wondering how and when WLP would be asked to chime in on these matters. I fully imagined the President would call NRA, and not the others and it appears I was correct. It sounds like Wayne represented me as I hoped. I still want a lot more transparency from NRA and it’s board, changes in the bylaws to reduce the Board’s numbers, and a detailed succession plan, but Wayne LaPierre just earned, without even asking or offering a trinket, a generous donation that will be forthcoming.

    In the likely event these discussions are being monitored by administration insiders here’s a short, sweet message to pass on:

    Remember President Trump’s base are his supporters, not politicians and we detest most of them (Mitch McConnell, Pat Toomey, and Joe Manchin are good examples*).

    1) No Red Flag Laws without total adherence to the Constitution, particularly open Court due process BEFORE any other government action. Nobody likes the idea of surprise raids in the middle of the night as these can have disastrous, unintended consequences in strong Castle Doctrine states. The evidence strongly suggests such raids will not stop mass shootings even if constitutional red flag laws and quick reporting to the NICS system might help.

    2) No “universal” background checks, as they will quickly become cumbersome and will prove Republican vote destroyers in the next election!

    3) No “assault weapons” or semi-automatic bans or weasel wording NFA definitions to include semi-automatic weapons PERIOD as in the bump stock debacle. That can of worms will still probably come back to haunt us and at a minimum tarnish the President’s reputation at some point.

    * And a special warning to the wise: Beware of the three politicians listed above, I live in their midst and they have never done anything for anyone, but themselves!

  19. avatar Political gristle says:

    Does flimflam man even know what the process to buy a firearm? “I like background checks but not enhanced background checkS”……WHAT!
    Not a peep about red flag govt. Theft orders in this article.

    1. avatar Hank says:

      No he doesn’t. But that doesn’t mean we can’t take advantage of him being president as he can be swayed to continue to put conservatives on the courts. I think this is the part of politics a lot of people forget. Is that it’s not really about if he’s “your guy” or even a decent human being, but it’s about getting him to do what you want. All politicians can be swayed to our liking, some easier then others. Trump may not be a reliable 2A supporting president but he can unwittingly be the most pro gun president by being convinced to throw conservatives into high positions of power.

  20. avatar DaveL says:

    Let’s not play along with the con and pretend this is about background checks. This is about:

    1) Building a registry.
    2) Banning private sales
    3) Further burdening legal gun owners.

    We could easily create a system of background checks that was fast, easily accessible to anyone with an internet connection, and could not be used to build a registry. They will never accept it because it isn’r about background checks.

    1. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

      Exactly!

  21. avatar Stateisevil says:

    Uh guys above. The knuckle dragging GOP voters had a chance to elect both Ron and Rand Paul in the recent primaries. GOP knuckle dragging mouth breathers chose some hardcore statists instead. Romney and McCain if memory serves, two nasty sewer rats dressed like humans. So, yeah.. If you think any GOP candidate is going to save or restore our 2nd amendment rights, it’s just something to stand back and marvel at such naivete. Sad, but we deserve everything we get and more. And the clock is ticking.

    1. avatar Hank says:

      The problem with the Pauls remains them being unelectable. Wether you like it or not, leaders are chosen by their charisma, physical stature, appearance of strength, looks, and hair. Policies come second to all of that. And that will never change.

  22. avatar Political gristle says:

    …. Some people plant fruit trees………
    Seems like a good idea.
    You never know when the Red Bag worms will come to destroy your fruit.
    Keep your fruit fresh and always have extra fruit stored away for a rainy day.

  23. avatar NORDNEG says:

    At the moment I support President Trump & did through the whole election & ever since,,, I don’t belong to any party, , I’m a constitutionalist, if President Trump try’s to weaken the 2-A in any way , He will lose my support,,, period…, so far , I’m behind every thing he’s done & trying to accomplish, especially since the Puke Democrats won’t work with him, I’d be more worried about the RINO’s than anything else if you want to get things done…. I am locked & loaded & will protect my constitutional rights,!

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      So, banning a half million bump stocks bought & used legally for years, by presidential order, because they shoot “too fast” passes constitutional muster for you?

  24. avatar OBOB says:

    IF!!! and I mean IF!!!!

    Background checks are going to happen…horse trade some of the stuff off the NFA for them…Suppressors, SBR’s and machine guns back!

    just make sure to add a 30 year at least clause that without a 70% vote that can’t change back!

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “…horse trade some of the stuff off the NFA for them….”

      Not happening. Republicrats do not negotiate to gain, only to mitigate loss. Push-back is unseemly.

  25. avatar SoBe says:

    Regarding some of the current turmoil in government some hardcore radical once predicted it and wrote in 1796…
    While, then, every part of our country thus feels an immediate and particular interest in union, all the parts combined cannot fail to find in the united mass of means and efforts greater strength, greater resource, proportionably greater security from external danger, a less frequent interruption of their peace by foreign nations…
    One of the expedients of party to acquire influence within particular districts is to misrepresent the opinions and aims of other districts…
    In contemplating the causes which may disturb our Union, it occurs as matter of serious concern that any ground should have been furnished for characterizing parties by geographical discriminations…
    All obstructions to the execution of the laws, all combinations and associations, under whatever plausible character, with the real design to direct, control, counteract, or awe the regular deliberation and action of the constituted authorities, are destructive of this fundamental principle, and of fatal tendency. They serve to organize faction, to give it an artificial and extraordinary force; to put, in the place of the delegated will of the nation the will of a party, often a small but artful and enterprising minority of the community; and, according to the alternate triumphs of different parties, to make the public administration the mirror of the ill-concerted and incongruous projects of faction, rather than the organ of consistent and wholesome plans digested by common counsels and modified by mutual interests…
    Towards the preservation of your government, and the permanency of your present happy state, it is requisite, not only that you steadily discountenance irregular oppositions to its acknowledged authority, but also that you resist with care the spirit of innovation upon its principles, however specious the pretexts. One method of assault may be to effect, in the forms of the Constitution, alterations which will impair the energy of the system, and thus to undermine what cannot be directly overthrown…
    I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations…

  26. avatar Sian says:

    Use this opportunity to improve the existing background check system. Require states to submit their records regularly to the database. Penalties for noncompliance. Free or nominal fee limited Yes/No access for civilians for voluntary use. If we’re going to have this stupid system let’s at least make sure it does what it’s meant to.

    UBCs are a non-starter.

    1. avatar barnbwt says:

      We already did Fix NICS, in exchange for nothing, after a different mass shooting. Whaddya know, all these last guys also passed a check. “Okay, let’s just make the check forbid even more people that aren’t dangerous from owning guns”

      How about we convince our brave, loud-mouthed president, to tell these antigun people “no” for once? Because passing more restrictions won’t help, and it won’t buy us one damn bit of good will with these people, not one vote.

  27. avatar Mad Max says:

    If a new background check bill is introduced, read it carefully. Manchin-Toomey wasn’t a bad bill. It had lots of loopholes for trends, family, and coworkers. It also had a few other features beneficial to us.

  28. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

    President Trump wants to “do something”. Moreover, he wants to “sign something”. President Trump’s ego is clearly more important than our rights. This is from a recent WaPo article:

    “The president has discussed with aides the idea of a Rose Garden bill-signing ceremony for gun-control legislation, a notion that seems premature to many in the West Wing.
    Trump also asked lawyers about what he could enact through an executive order, officials said.”

    Also, he keeps repeating “meaningful background checks” at the press conference right now over and over again. Didn’t Wayne just told him NO on expanding background checks? He clearly doesn’t understand the topic and doesn’t care about Wayne and the NRA.

    1. avatar Steven Lynch says:

      Well with the Democrats it’s a hundred percent guarantee, with Trump he says he will keep the NRA members will be fully respected and represented and I don’t remember any other gun rights organizations in the fight, so those of you that don’t respect the NRA, remember that

      1. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

        I am an NRA Endowment Life Member and blindly supporting President Trump without holding him accountable seems to work like blindly supporting the NRA without holding the NRA leadership accountable. It doesn’t!!!

        If your argument is that we either get gun control from President Trump or the Democrats then why was President Trump be allowed to speak 3 TIMES at the NRA Annual Meeting? We have more options than just just our vote, you know.

        We don’t need “Gun Control Donald” to speak at any of our meetings! We do need an NRA leadership that can be critical of “Gun Control Donald”! Unfortunately, the NRA is run by Fudds like you. That’s why we are fighting the NRA’s red flag laws now, just as we are fighting the NRA’s bump stock ban.

        1. avatar Steven Lynch says:

          So in essence of what you think, Trump and the NRA probably really don’t give a shit? And I don’t either and your opinion really doesn’t matter in any way shape or form, if you’re not an NRA member and a Trump supporter.If the president thinks that the NRA views and ideas matter in this situation then I’m sorry for your gun group that the president obviously does not acknowledge. The NRA as always been in power when it comes to gun rights and it’s the way it will always be

        2. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

          In essence, you rewrote my post into something that I didn’t say!

          President Trump and the NRA WILL start giving a shit when we stop supporting them blindly and make our support dependent on their actions!!! Blind support means we give up all leverage and we get the results we see now, more gun control.

          You are right in saying that the NRA has been in charge of giving up gun rights for decades. Let’s change that! Let’s change the NRA before it dies a slow and painful death and takes the American gun owner with it!

        3. avatar Steven Lynch says:

          Not going to happen, pick your poison , is this the first time you’ve ever experienced a president that you don’t agree with 100% of what he says, step up to reality, you don’t get along with your family 100% and nobody does. You take the good with the bad and right now it’s bad

        4. avatar Charlie Foxtrot says:

          This is the headline on Breitbart now:

          Donald Trump: Republicans Can ‘Lead the Charge’ on Expanding Background Checks
          https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/08/09/donald-trump-republicans-can-lead-the-charge-on-expanding-background-checks/


          He confirmed that he spoke with Wayne LaPierre of the National Rifle Association about the issue and suggested that he could even oppose the organization on the issue of expanded background checks.

          “We’ll see where the NRA will be but we have to have meaningful background checks,” he said.

          Trump remained optimistic that the NRA would not oppose him on the issue.

          “I think I could but I don’t think I’ll be there,” Trump said regarding the possibility of opposing the NRA.

          He said that “in the end,” the National Rifle Association would either support his proposals for more background checks or even be “neutral” on the proposed legislation.

  29. avatar Mad Max says:

    They could just pull out the old legislation that created the existing background check system, put a new number on it, and re-enact it.

    Then they can say that they did something.

  30. avatar Nick K says:

    NRA is damaged. I hope they can fix their mess and listen to the members. Gut the bloated admin and really get to work. IF THE NRA can show some balls with red flag laws, I will once again support the NRA. If not, I will donate to the SAF that personally helped my wife in Montana and the GOA, both of whom have been soldiers on the field of law with many wins. Good luck NRA, I hope you can make me want to join again. TIME TO SHINE OR DIE.

    1. avatar Steven Lynch says:

      The only problem is, the president didn’t ask the GOA to the table

  31. avatar Bierce Ambrose says:

    To: Pres Donald Trump

    No pissing away gun rights at the margins. THAT’S OUR JOB.

    — The N R A

  32. avatar Chief Censor says:

    Trump is pushing very hard for gun registration (aka universal background checks) despite the NRA’s stance. He wants common sense background checks. He says he now has enough influence on the party to get more of his gun control passed. He wants age restrictions, red flag laws, universal background checks, etc. He said he talked to Wayne. He believes the NRA will eventually back him on gun control (and his reelection).

  33. avatar Jeff Mehl says:

    Reading over this thread has been fascinating! I’m seeing folks complaining about Trump and threatening to withhold support if he doesn’t give 100% support to our 2A demands. That implies that you either won’t vote for him, or you won’t vote, or you’ll throw your vote away on a 3rd party; essentially giving the presidency to the Democrats.

    PUT YOUR PRIDE ASIDE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS!

    Every one of those 20+ Fruit Loops who want to be president have committed themselves to some degree of confiscation, national licensing, national registration, etc, with some even threatening Executive Action! And you KNOW they could do that!

    So love him or hate him, he’s the only show in town when it comes to 2A support. In other words I don’t give a rat’s ass if you love Trump or hate him. Any gun owner who does NOT vote for him will deserve what happens to our rights under the Dems.

    And if you REALLY want to lose some sleep, watch carefully what’s happening at the state level: More of them are turning Purple/Blue than are turning Red. And formerly reliable pro-gun states like Florida, Virginia and Texas are now struggling! Sadly, public opinion has turned against us – partly because of the bullshit and asinine arguments that have permeated this thread!

    The Left’s long-term plan is REPEAL OF THE 2nd AMENDMENT, and part of their plan is being accomplished: Convincing the voters that we’re a bunch of self-centered assholes who care more about our guns than about human life! And if we don’t change that perception, the 2A could be history in another decade or two!

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “And if we don’t change that perception, the 2A could be history in another decade or two!”

      Optimism will get you nowhere.

    2. avatar Chief Censor says:

      Then let the confiscation begin in 2020 rather than 2024. It’s better they try to do it when there’s a lot of gun owners and they’re still young. Waiting 20 years to fight it off will be too late because I will be an old man too tired to do anything about it and most NRA members will be dead. Let them try it now, they know they can’t, but let them go full tyrannical to make our point about it happening here again.

      A Democrat that is openly a Democrat will unite the people against the government. Similar to how Muslim terrorists united America against them.

      If they want a fight, let them throw the first punch.

  34. avatar TurboPascal says:

    So much for Trump, the Gun Savior. Listening to various new outlets this morning, here come the bans. The idea that Trump was going to do ANYTHING for gun rights should now be finally put to rest.

  35. avatar Derek says:

    Growing up in NYC, Trump has never been a big pro 2nd amendment guy. He banned bump stocks.
    So the NRA can say whatever they want to him, and he’ll ignore them, because he knows that people who likes guns will likely still vote for him, over one of the democrats running who want the 2nd amendment in the garbage.

    My personal political voting:
    Trump 2016
    Yang 2020

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