California Active Shooter Situation: ‘We Just Ran’

Nipomo Von's active shooter police killed

Courtesy San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Department

There was a shooting at a gas station in Nipomo, California yesterday that ended with law enforcement officer killing the shooter. Sounds simple, right? In some ways it was, but there’s something else to take away from the report by the mainstream media.

According to KSBY news it went down something like this:

A suspected gunman in Nipomo is dead after a confrontation with law enforcement officers.

At around 11:15 a.m. Friday, the San Luis Obispo County Sheriff’s Office received reports of shots fired near the Vons gas station parking lot.

Witnesses who were across the street at Starbucks ran for cover as it quickly became an active shooter situation.

“I quickly yelled, ‘there’s a gun and everyone get inside!’ and we all started running towards the entrance,” said Leighanna Groshart.

“We just ran and didn’t look back,” said Elda Paola Cisneros.

One bystander said he watched the shooter get his gun out of his vehicle and start shooting:

Witnesses said the shooter fired multiple rounds after some sort of altercation.

“I saw a man standing right in front of the entrance to the Vons store and he was pointing a gun and I heard numerous more shots,” Cisneros said.

“[The gunman] goes to his vehicle, a silver SUV, pulls out a handgun and starts shooting at customers pumping gas,” said Richard Malvarose, who witnessed the shooting from the Miner’s ACE hardware store.

A bullet nearly missed him.

“A bullet whizzed right by my head. It’s probably still out in the parking lot somewhere,” Malvarose said.

The common theme, though, was sheltering in place:

For about two hours, about a dozen people sheltered in a back room of the Starbucks.

“Us adults were shaken. The kids were crying,” Cisneros said.

“Very anxious. I’m just glad that everybody is safe,” Groshart added.

Granted, it’s California, land of myriad gun control restrictions, bans, and impediments, but the witnesses complied with the conventional thinking what do do in this kind of situation that’s being pushed nationwide.

If there’s an active shooter, here’s what’s recommended by ready.gov:

RUN and escape if possible.

  • Getting away from the shooter or shooters is the top priority.
  • Leave your belongings behind and get away.
  • Help others escape, if possible, but evacuate regardless of whether others agree to follow.
  • Warn and prevent individuals from entering an area where the active shooter may be.
  • Call 9-1-1 when you are safe and describe the shooter, location and weapons.

HIDE if escape is not possible.

  • Get out of the shooter’s view and stay very quiet.
  • Silence all electronic devices and make sure they won’t vibrate.
  • Lock and block doors, close blinds and turn off lights.
  • Don’t hide in groups. Spread out along walls or hide separately to make it more difficult for the shooter.
  • Try to communicate with police silently. Use text message or social media to tag your location or put a sign in a window.
  • Stay in place until law enforcement gives you the all clear.
  • Your hiding place should be out of the shooter’s view and provide protection if shots are fired in your direction.

FIGHT as an absolute last resort.

  • Commit to your actions and act as aggressively as possible against the shooter.
  • Recruit others to ambush the shooter with makeshift weapons like chairs, fire extinguishers, scissors, books, etc.
  • Be prepared to cause severe or lethal injury to the shooter.
  • Throw items and improvise weapons to distract and disarm the shooter.

That isn’t all bad advice, exactly, but it also far from ideal. The idea of hiding is taught in our schools, too. My daughter is a senior in high school and has grown up with active shooter drills of a ridiculous nature courtesy of the school system. And it’s a fatal one.

People don’t seem to understand that congregating in the back room of Starbucks for two hours doesn’t mean they’re safe. It means they’re a clump of easily-hit targets. Remember, bullets go through things. Cover and concealment are two wildly different concepts.

If you want to survive an active shooter situation, your best bet is to armed and trained. If you can simply leave the area, leave. Walking away from a potential fight is always the best courts of action.

But understand that may not be an option. Maybe your wife, husband, daughter, or son are inside the store somewhere. Maybe you decided long ago not to leave unarmed people at the mercy of an active killer (think long and hard about your choices and what you will and will not do in certain situations). Maybe your kids are in that school.

Be armed at every opportunity. Be properly trained. Don’t die hiding behind a bookshelf or a coffee kiosk, unarmed, hoping to go unnoticed. Oh learn what situational awareness and then develop some. It could very well save your ass in the long run.

What are the best tips you’ve heard for dealing with an active shooter situation?

comments

  1. avatar Sam I Am says:

    “People don’t seem to understand that congregating in the back room of Starbucks for two hours doesn’t mean they’re safe. ”

    They stuff cows in a pen to make it easier to take ’em to slaughter.

    If you’re gonna run away, run way away.

    1. avatar Mark Kelly's Diapered Drooling Ventriloquist's Dummy says:

      I hope they were all wearing masks and practicing “social distancing”.

      Rule #1

      Don’t be a cuck and duck, engage the perpetrator and live to tell the story on how YOU saved lives on the nightly news while sporting an ear-to-ear grin.

      1. avatar Debbie W. says:

        Don’t be a real dummy and assume you’ll be some kind of grinning hero on the news. If you do not defend yourself and others strictly by the book it’s a possibility you’ll find your behind surrounded by hundreds of nitwits in a prison. Good luck with that.

        1. avatar Cale15 says:

          And why is that? I’ll tell why cause cops are not your friends! Defund then so good Americans that defend themselves don’t go to jail! They made their choice to bootlick politicians so they are not on our side! Before you go saying there are good cops ask that good cop if he will arrest someone for making an Ar15 full auto with out that pedo uncle sams permission!

        2. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          I would have to decline the nightly news crap….

        3. avatar Debbie W. says:

          cale15…Is 15 your age or !Q? Your own stupidity gives cops a reason not to throw you a rope. Now…If a clown with his head up his butt like you screws up with a firearm the possibility exists for your behind to belong to a lifer named Bubba. Is screwing up with a firearm now clear or do you need more?

        4. avatar possum says:

          What’s with Bubba? He seems to be in every jail and prison. More scary from the people who bring you law. You get arrested and thrown in jail Bubba immediately rapes you. More likely Bubba will take your food before your ass. These Bubba’s gone a rape you comments just tells me you’ve really never had the real deal end of law enforcement.

        5. avatar RidgeRunner says:

          Real possum

    2. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

      “They stuff cows in a pen to make it easier to take ’em to slaughter.

      If you’re gonna run away, run way away.”

      It depends on the situation.

      If that back room had the ability to barricade the door that led in shut, then barricading the door would be a viable option.

      Cowering in the corner is not an option…

      1. avatar former water walker says:

        Like the Pulse Nightclub? Like lambs to the slaughter. IF a few had the courage to rush Mohammed who know’s? The dims lied at the outset and blamed it on “homophobia”…

        1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          IF a few had the courage to rush Mohammed who know’s?

          If the cops had not sat on their asses for three hours, IF the off duty cop sitting at the door had done his job, IF………………………………….

      2. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “If that back room had the ability to barricade the door that led in shut, then barricading the door would be a viable option.”

        Not likely to be a steel door.

    3. avatar Madcapp says:

      ♫We just ran, we ran so far away…♫

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        ♫We just ran, we ran so far away…♫

        There ya’ go. Nice.

  2. avatar Ed Schrade says:

    They may be arrested for not social distancing. The Starbucks will probably have their electricity cut off, if they have any because of the responsible power generation that they now have.

  3. avatar Jimmy Beam says:

    Was the shooter one of the usual suspects?

    1. avatar Vic Nighthorse says:

      The usual suspect of a “mass shooting” being? Not a rhetorical question, I really don’t know.

      1. avatar Montana Actual says:

        Probably just means a regular soy latte drinker

  4. avatar Kendahl says:

    Treat the mass murderer as a target of opportunity. He definitely qualifies as a legitimate target. His targets are innocent victims whose lives are in imminent danger. The question is whether you have an opportunity to take him out that has a realistic chance of succeeding.

  5. avatar I Haz A Question says:

    Run, Hide, Fight. The standard advice given by LE and Municipal entities nationwide.

    This excerpt from the Fight section always sticks out to me: “Throw items and improvise weapons…”

    This is exactly why I clandestinely carry a gun concealed in the office, and have even more reason to do so in 2020. A large percentage of my fellow employees have been laid off due to the economic downturn from the COVID-19 shutdowns, there are protests/riots/violence that don’t get police deterrence, and the overall zeitgeist of the country is one of angst. Whereas the chances of a disgruntled ex-employee coming back to wreak havoc was previously very small, they are now much greater. In fact, half-the-entire-company greater.

    Run, Hide, Fight…but if it becomes necessary to fight, I’m not reaching for the red stapler.

    1. avatar Sam I Am says:

      …but if it becomes necessary to fight, I’m not reaching for the red stapler.”

      No, no. The red ones will make you impotent. Use the green ones.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        1. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

          He warned them… 🙂

    2. avatar Phil LA says:

      It’s a Swingline.

    3. avatar Jon in CO says:

      I was fired in May for doing so. After a medical issue that left me unconscious, for whatever reason, my person was searched. They removed a G19 from a cargo pocket, 2 spare magazines, a small fixed blade and a Microtech.

      I was carrying a firearm of some sort every single work day for 3 years prior. Never an issue. Kroger loves for you to be safe. Just know that.

      1. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

        “After a medical issue that left me unconscious, for whatever reason, my person was searched.”

        I think it’s kinda standard procedure when admitted to an ER. I got a version of that when admitted with a crushed ankle a few years back. My personal effects were dropped in a plastic bag and sealed while I watched. I wasn’t carrying a gun that night, but I did have my Red Saber 30-foot-range bear spray and an assortment of blades on me at the time…

      2. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        My gat isn’t on my actual person, but in my office bag, secured by a very small subtle lock (meets CA’s ‘locked case’ baseline and requires a warrant to legally open). I can literally reach for it, open, load, and be ready in only ten seconds if necessary.

        1. avatar Montana Actual says:

          ummm… assuming you can get to it that is.

        2. avatar Antonio says:

          What’s your concealment rig. Asking for a …. friend.

        3. avatar KJ says:

          10 seconds? What could possibly go wrong in 10 seconds?
          No offense, and good on you for seeing the value in armed self defense, but how about “concealed is concealed?” If you’re going to break the rules, at least make it effective. An employer who bans firearms is still going to fire you if they suspect a weapon and you refuse to open the bag voluntarily. But I bet they won’t give you the TSA now-my-finger-stinks patdown.

      3. avatar enuf says:

        I always carry concealed in the supermarket. Used to always carry openly but people took their Second Amendmen protests too far and corporate lawyers got into it. Now most supermarkets in AZ have a policy that plays around with the “What we can’t see we don’t care about” approach.

        This does mean it’s a .380 instead of something bigger. But at least it’s something.

        1. avatar Dude says:

          “Don’t ask, don’t tell” is making a comeback.

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “This does mean it’s a .380 instead of something bigger. But at least it’s something.”

          What about a sub-compact 9? (Asks the guy with a single .22 plinker)

        3. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          This does mean it’s a .380 instead of something bigger. But at least it’s something.”

          Guy got in his old Ford Pinto one day and found the seat belt latch no longer worked so he got a length of rope a tied it together with a secure knot, A few miles down the road a deer ran out into the road and the guy had to stop suddenly but the rope held firm and all was well, he thought, “it’s not the right way but at least it’s something”.. As he pressed on the accelerator pedal to resume the trip he was rear ended and the fuel tank exploded engulfing the the old Pinto in flames, the guy panicked and no matter how hard he struggled he could not loosen the rope and had nothing within his grasp to cut it.. consequently he died a horribly painful death because he chose to just grab what seemed to work at the moment, but hey “at least it was something”….

        4. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “…but hey “at least it was something”….”

          Yeah, caliber wars; No.

          The commenter seemed to be unsettled because he could only conceal a small gun, and that required a .380 caliber. I have not prejudice toward any caliber, only noting that “small” can handle a 9mm round, which might mitigate some of his concern.

        5. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          I switch off between a Ruger P90 (full size 45 ACP) and a Glock G29 (10 mm w/G 20 mags) the Glock is called a “small frame version” but there is no way it would be confused with a compact anything…. My normal FL fashion “ensemble” consists of a loose fitting T-shirt (untucked), jeans, sneakers (boots if I’m riding), a MAGA or Trump 2020 hat and one of those two pieces tucked securely in an inside the waistband holster and I can assure you that I carry everywhere (even the Post Office) that does not use a metal detector and I have never been detected… Not caliber wars, it just is what it is…

        6. avatar LarryinTX says:

          I thought AZ was done with the silliness!?

        7. avatar Montana Actual says:

          When I conceal, actually, when I carry in general, it’s nothing short of a double stack compact. Currently the p320 RXP XCompact is my daily, concealed or open. It can be done.

    4. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Run, hide, fight, on and on, lots of words and images on a variety of subjects, never once mentions asking if anyone is armed.

  6. avatar enuf says:

    I work in a defense industry facility. No firearms are allowed. We have had active shooter training. We all are asked if we had to what could we fight with? Everyone points out the stupidity of so very many gun owners being prohibited from having a gun in a place that feels the need to conduct active shooter training. Local management likely agrees but dare not say so. It’s a corporate thing.

    Hammers are now very popular in desk drawers of the engineers, technicians, production supervisors.

    But I am certain most anyone there would rather be out in the parking lot. Where state law prohibits an employer from interfering in a worker’s right of self defense in their vehicle, even on corporate property.

    All those personal cars and trucks are especially well armed.

    Which will make for a damned tragic fact to parade before TV cameras if ever there is an active shooter inside the building.

    1. avatar Darkman says:

      I participated in an active shooter drill on a Defense contractor facility last year. as a volunteer from a local Emergency Response Team. They used fake blood and make up on victims. We ran several shooting scenarios. My part was two fold In one scenario I was the shooter and later a victim. During the first drill as the active shooter I managed to kill 2 of the armed responders by simply smearing some of the fake blood from a fake victim on my face and playing dead. Much to the consternation of the Head of Security since he was unaware of my intentions. While I understand the importance of training in regards to a active shooter situation. Playing games is not real life and the responders failed more than once. Again to the consternation of the Head of Security. Now for the kicker. All of the Security personnel were either current/former military or law enforcement. During the debrief afterwords my actions were considered the lesson of the day. Never assume anything in a Hot zone and Always be prepared to defend yourself. Regardless of the Rules. Being chewed out, fired, arrested or even jail time is temporary. Being DEAD last Forever. Keep Your Powder Dry.

    2. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

      “But I am certain most anyone there would rather be out in the parking lot. Where state law prohibits an employer from interfering in a worker’s right of self defense in their vehicle, even on corporate property.”

      I thank Florida for having passed that law, at least. Although before that was made state law, my Glock 23 was under my front seat at work every damn day anyways. 🙂

      (In Florida, the inside of your car is considered the same as being in your home, self-defense wise…)

  7. avatar Ed P. says:

    First, when should an armed citizen, anywhere in the US, engage an active shooter? In this instance NO…just NO! I believe it was very appropriate for the Starbuck’s customers to head to the back room, stay there?, no. It sounds like the customers were still observing what was going on across the street. I’m going to step out on a limb and say that most backrooms have a secondary exit that leads to a back alley or another street. Probably, if the shooter lost interest at the Von’s and decided he needed a little caffeine pick-me-up the customers would have probably bailed out via the back door. If any of the customers WERE armed would you really expect them to cross the street, open ground, no cover OR concealment, to engage an active shooter? That would be reeealy stupid, unless you have a bulletproof hero fantasy going on. Also, the sheepdog citizen would have a background of gas pumps and the front of the Von’s. Not good. At the Von’s would you break cover/concealment to fire back at an active shooter with gas pumps and an unknown background? I should hope not. Sounds good to take down an active shooter, but what would be the chances of the would-be sheepdog’s survival?

    1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

      All good points, so it really just comes down to what the scene’s conditions are at the time it happens. For the most part, I would remain at a location of safety and keep eyes forward to act as a witness for responding LE. However, if the shooter were to be observed advancing on a mother and her child, the sheepdog mentality kicks in and personal safety takes a back seat to theirs.

    2. avatar strych9 says:

      “…but what would be the chances of the would-be sheepdog’s survival?”

      A valid self-defense question but immaterial to an actual sheepdog. Their concern would be for bystanders and victims rather than themselves. That’s what makes them a “sheepdog”.

    3. avatar LarryinTX says:

      If you cross that road with your gun in your hand, looking to be a hero, you are likely to be killed by arriving cops.

  8. avatar MADDMAXX says:

    “A bullet whizzed right by my head. It’s probably still out in the parking lot somewhere,” Malvarose said.

    Now there’s a guy that knows his stuff, must be a BIG damn parking lot… 9mm 120 grain will travel 2400 yards (more than a mile and a third) and a 45 ACP can go about 1800 yards (a bit over a mile).. Sorry I’m still American and refuse to “bend the knee” to the metric crowd…

    What are the best tips you’ve heard for dealing with an active shooter situation?

    Shoot back til the asshole is either dead or SEVERELY incapacitated..

    1. avatar Marty says:

      9mm 120 grain will travel 2400 yards
      Sorry I’m still American and refuse to “bend the knee” to the metric crowd…

      Wouldn’t it be .354..” then? 🙂

      1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

        I don’t make the bullets (or classify them).. If I said .354 about three people in 10 would know what I was talking about… (maybe)

  9. avatar Old Guy in Montana says:

    “A bullet nearly missed him”…ouch! We used to count that as a “hit”.

    The commonly held advice to shelter in a ” killing field” (back room of Starbucks, etc) is insane. The .gov advice is better…run away and keep running.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      And somebody actually got paid to write that little piece of stupidity. A journalist, so not much money was wasted, but still…

    2. avatar Ransom says:

      “A bullet nearly missed him” Hah! Not the best writing. Good catch.

  10. avatar Hannibal says:

    I’ve been through a few days of active shooter training. We ran through a number of scenarios. Some where straight-forward. Some were complicated. Some were basically impossible (sometimes if you do everything right… you still lose).

    In one case my partner was engaged in a firefight in another room and I was rushing to get to him with my carbine (semi-auto only, I’m not cool enough for big boy toys). A door opened in front of me with a SLAM and three people ran out. One was an armed ‘bad guy’. I shot him… second. First I shot the person who slammed open the door and ran at me while screaming.

    Simunitions sting but there was no permanent damage except for embarrassment as the whole thing was on body-cam and was reviewed by everyone later. But the sinking feeling I had in my stomach as I realized I had just gut-shot a bystander felt pretty real. From that point forward I made one mistake after another in the scenario. It was rough and tough and taught a little humility.

    Going about my daily life I would very much prefer to avoid an active shooter situation if I have the choice. I’m no operator and I’m not wearing plates or even kevlar when I’m out and about.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      Some [active shooter scenarios] were basically impossible (sometimes if you do everything right… you still lose).

      Very true Hannibal.

      Attackers have the ginormous advantages of surprise, choice of time/location of their attack, and no requirements to minimize/eliminate collateral damage. That is why several of us on this website have stated that firearms are not magic talismans and righteous armed defenders will sometimes lose.

      Firearms level the playing field, give us significantly more options than we would otherwise have, and greatly enhance our probability of surviving a deadly attack — nothing more and nothing less.

  11. avatar strych9 says:

    “A bullet nearly missed him.”

    KSBY no engrish gud. But I bet they do bang-up pandemic and astronomy reporting!

    1. avatar Ing says:

      And journalists wonder why they get no respect.

  12. avatar Anon says:

    When 911 occurred, I was working at a military base. Panic set in. The DOD guards started searching cars randomly after a few days, that stopped quick when they realized a lot of employees were either packing heat or had firearms in the trunks.
    In an office of about 30 people, which I supervised I know there were at least 5 pistols in the office. I never asked.
    They ramped up our security with Reservists. One senior officer started carrying a small backpack, in which he carried a pistol. The senior commander on base told him to stop because it bothered people.
    Remember, Obama had 8 years to promote senior people in the FBI, CIA and Armed Forces.
    Most Generals and Flag officers are now ballet dancers and ticket punchers.

    1. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

      “When 911 occurred, I was working at a military base. Panic set in. The DOD guards started searching cars randomly after a few days, that stopped quick when they realized a lot of employees were either packing heat or had firearms in the trunks.”

      The one military facility I know about on Sept. 11 (family member at that base when it happened) *every* vehicle entering was searched starting immediately after the attack. They went into a modified lockdown immediately…

    2. avatar John Paul says:

      They are managers not leaders.

  13. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Charge a gun. Flee a knife.

    1. avatar Manse Jolly says:

      I wish our culture would learn to accept this as Todd Beamer and the rest did on flight 93.

      It’s better for everyone to charge than wait it out in a dark room waiting for the shooter to show up.

      screw being a sitting target.

    2. avatar Geoff "Ammo. LOTS of ammo..." PR says:

      “Charge a gun. Flee a knife.”

      Same here :

  14. avatar John Paul says:

    Run, Hide, Fight…..

    I’m not going to die tired.

    Death always wins. Die a Hero or die a coward.

    I’m not wired to run.

    Always armed. I’m talking the fight to you!

    1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

      John Paul. That’s my son’s name. You sound a lot like him. He and his girlfriend were over tonight. He was showing her his 6″ S&W 19. Pinned barrel. Counter sunk chambers. No Hillary hole, of course.

      1. avatar CentralVirginian says:

        Nobody wants a Hillary hole, not even Bill.

        1. avatar Angry Dad says:

          Ouch! But too true.

  15. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

    Have any of you guys had to work with a coward? I have. More than one. They tend to be the ones that think a badge and a sidearm bestows upon them some kind of heroism. I despise and loath them. They always seemed to be able to worm their way into administration without ever putting themselves in harm’s way. Don’t misunderstand me. I’ve been scared shitless a whole heep a bunch. And that’s a lot. I choked it down. The answer to mass shootings is a proactive response. You don’t have a weapon? Take his and shoot him in the head with it. At extremely close range. If you die trying? Well, we all start dying the day we’re born.i got over that a long time ago.

    1. avatar MADDMAXX says:

      I’ve been scared shitless a whole heep a bunch.

      Being scared does not make you a coward it’s how you respond to that fear, most times when in a position where fear is creeping in, as soon as the shtf and that extra shot of adrenalin kicks in time slows, awareness peaks and conditioned reflexes take over til the threat is gone… OR you can just shove a weaker guy at it and run away…

    2. avatar Ed P. says:

      To Gadsden, from I know not where: “A uniform doesn’t make a hero. COURAGE AND BRAVERY DOES”

      1. avatar Gadsden Flag says:

        Ed, I think that was the point I was trying to make.

        1. avatar Ed P. says:

          Thought it was a good distillation of the point you were making. My apologies.

  16. avatar Dan says:

    Be armed and ready to fight is good advice…EXCEPT in commie hell holes like Kali where the prosecutors will CRUCIFY anyone who has the gall to actually defend themselves with a gun in a public place. Shooting BACK at a ‘spree shooter’ in Kali will get you a LONGER PRISON TERM than the wacko gunman will get.

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      “…in commie hell holes like Kali where the prosecutors will CRUCIFY anyone who has the gall to actually defend themselves…”

      You’ve just found the best argument for a mask and gloves in today’s world.

    2. avatar Docduracoat says:

      Many counties in California give out concealed carry permits on a shall issue basis.
      These permits are good for the entire state including the cities of Los Angeles and San Francisco.
      While prosecutors may look to charge good Samaritans in a defensive gun use, a madman opening fire in a parking lot is pretty much the ideal place to pull out a legally concealed weapon and shoot the perp without fear of being charged.

      And people please have carry insurance if you indeed carry a gun.
      The more money you have for a legal defense, the more likely you will not be charged or acquitted at trial.

  17. avatar Ralph says:

    I’ve never been in an “active shooter” situation, and I hope I never will be. But I promise you this. If I am ever in such a situation and I have a shot, I’m taking it.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Yeah, then afterward I’ll consider whether I am going to deny it or not. Step one is to survive.

  18. avatar Montana Actual says:

    Yea… we are allowed to carry where I work. lol. Probably because there is a range down stairs…

    1. avatar Dude says:

      Unlike military bases.

      1. avatar Montana Actual says:

        Sad but true. Part of many parts to the reasons I got out.

  19. avatar CentralVirginian says:

    In 2 trips to a local gas station I’ve seen a total of 4 open carriers. One was carrying a 1911 with the hammer down, another was carrying a glock with no magazine at all in the gun. Having a gun is a step in the right direction but those 2 certainly weren’t prepared for anything. Im hoping 1911 guy was on an empty chamber and not hammer down on a round.

  20. avatar GS650G says:

    Rather than improvise weapons let’s produce a real one and put dogs like this down when they go off.

  21. avatar possum says:

    What would I do? Well whatever it is it won’t be done in California.

  22. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

    https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

    I wish they would update it, but I don’t think much would change

    Here are the main takeaways

    The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.3

    The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.3.

    It goes something like this:
    BANG!
    “Holy crap! that guy shot that other guy.”
    BANG!
    “He’s just going to keep shooting people.”
    BANG!
    And the shooter goes down.

    Quite a few cases went something like that. In fact, I found only one example of a shooter stopped by civilians who killed more than 3 people. Jared Loughner killed 6 people in Tucson, Arizona before he was tackled by two civilians.

    With 14 incidents stopped by police with a total of 200 dead that’s an average of about 14.3. With 15 incidents stopped by civilians and 35 dead that’s an average of 2.3.

    The first point I want to draw your attention to is that roughly half of shooting rampages end in suicide anyway. What that means is that police are not even in a position to stop most of them. Only the civilians present at the time of the shooting have any opportunity to stop those shooters.

    Second, within the civilian category 10 of the 15 shootings were stopped by unarmed civilians.

    The courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas was the only incident where the heroic civilian was killed. In that incident the hero was armed with a handgun and the villain was armed with an assault rifle and body armor.

    If you compare the average of people killed in shootings stopped by armed civilians and unarmed civilians you get 1.8 and 2.6

    So, given that far less people die in rampage shootings stopped by a proactive civilian, only civilians have any opportunity to stop rampage shootings in roughly half of incidents, and armed civilians do better on average than unarmed civilians, wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      The Crimson Pirate,

      Thank you for your analysis and data.

      I have one quick correction for you. You said, “The courthouse shooting in Tyler, Texas was the only incident where the heroic civilian was killed.” The scumbag church attacker in Texas also killed one of the heroic civilians who was in the process of trying to draw his concealed handgun. In that instance the attacker killed two people (an unarmed usher and the armed defender) before another armed defender put a headshot on the attacker and stopped his murder spree. Of note: that attack resulted in 2 deaths (consistent with the 2.3 deaths average that you stated) which is far fewer casualties than would have happened if the victims were unarmed and waited for police to stop the attacker.

      (For reference that church attack occurred at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas.)

      1. avatar Sam I Am says:

        “(For reference that church attack occurred at the West Freeway Church of Christ in White Settlement, Texas.)”

        And there you have it; a town that openly procliams itself to be raceiss. Talk about “white privilege”. Just the name of that village should be declared a hate crime, and everyone in it a hate crime.

        Someone should launch a movement to change the town name to be more inclusive, like “Rainbow City”, or “Summer of Love City”, or “No lives matter until BLM”, or “No Name City – The Lord don’t like it here.”

        Here it is 2020, and we still have a place named White Settlement. Who can explain it, who can tell you why? Fools give you reasons, wise men never try.

        1. avatar Montana Actual says:

          How does one define hate speech and put a barrier on it?

        2. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “How does one define hate speech and put a barrier on it?”

          Any spoken or written language that makes me fee bad is hate speech. Any spoken or written language that opposes anything I want is hate speech. Any written or spoken language that limits my freedom is hate speech.

          Placing barriers on hate speech is relatively easy: shame the people conducting hate speech until they are afraid to talk/write anything that is hate speech. Some of the penalities could be loss of privileges, permissions, income, property, or even arrest and jail. Cops and courts are good tools for enforcing restrictions on hate speech.

          (How am I doing?)

        3. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Good story, small problem. Settlement was named for the man who founded it, whose name was “White”. The armed man killed, IIRC, was also named White, a descendant. Zero to do with race. Good friend of mine in grade school was named Black, and he was not. Such assumptions are moronic.

        4. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Zero to do with race.”

          Of course. Ridicule is just that, ridicule.

        5. avatar JusJokin says:

          Settlement was named for the man who founded it, whose name was “White”. The armed man killed, IIRC, was also named White

          Yeah? Well why were 50% of the victims killed (by the WHITE shooter named WHITE) BLACK in a 98% WHITE congregation in a church in a town named after a WHITE man named WHITE? Sounds pretty RACIST to me…..;

        6. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Yeah? Well why were 50% of the victims killed by the WHITE shooter BLACK in a 98 % white congregation in a church in a town named after a WHITE man named WHITE? Sounds pretty RACIST to me…..;”

          Some can get away with it, some can’t; you need a sarc tag for stuff like this.

        7. avatar MADDMAXX says:

          you need a sarc tag for stuff like this.

          Really thought JusJokin would be a big enough of a fukin hint… Sorry

        8. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “Really thought JusJokin would be a big enough of a fukin hint… Sorry”

          I quickly picked up on it, but the comment had an edge of sincerty (using the 50% stat was clever, but lent credence) that kept it to an inside joke.

          BTW….

          I often cannot get away with it, either.

    2. avatar Sam I Am says:

      “…wouldn’t you want those heroic individuals who risk their lives to save others to have every tool available at their disposal?”

      Only if I think private citizens owning/possessing firearms is a good thing, in the first place. Which is where refering to statistics is futile. Statistics cannot overcome this fact: if private citizens didn’t possess firearms, the shooter couldn’t be a shooter, an event requiring other shooters to stop the first shooter.No guns, no gun crimes, no mass shootings. Which is akin to my favorite, “No laws, no criminals.”

      Among the gun grabber nation, decisions are not based on calculations, but on emotions….probably in almost every facet of their lives. Feelings. Who bases their behavior on feelings? Children. We are at the cusp of a fourth generation of children being raised to remain children.

      Statistics, objectivity and reason (all white supremicist values, BTW) appeal only to persons who can control their emotions when faced with decisions. Just look at the blood bath the uninformed trader/investor suffers in the stock market.

      1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

        Sam I Am,

        Who bases their behavior on feelings? Children. We are at the cusp of a fourth generation of children being raised to remain children.

        That is one of the most profound statements that I have heard in a very long time.

        I tip my hat to you fine sir.

        1. avatar Sam I Am says:

          “That is one of the most profound statements that I have heard in a very long time.
          I tip my hat to you fine sir.”

          I am a product of “The Greatest Generation”. The statement is the result of analyzing what happened to that generation after 1945, and being a new parent in the age of Dr. Spock.

  23. avatar Dude says:

    “A suspected gunman in Nipomo is dead after a confrontation with law enforcement officers.”

    Which is precisely why we need caring, understanding social workers to respond to these incidents. #DefundthePolice. We could have saved the gunman.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      We did save him! Think how unhappy he must have been, to rape, steal and murder like that. We saved him from his misery, all hail us. Nothing to see here, move along.

  24. avatar R. Corrino says:

    Good thing the police shot the perp; otherwise, Newsom would have him walking around San Luis Obispo right about now….

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      After his gun was returned to him.

  25. avatar Armorer94 says:

    I vote for “shoot the dumb sumbitch”. That’s what works for me rather than cower in fear.

  26. avatar KJ says:

    “Absolute last resort,” my ass. Choose the best option, first. If that’s “flee,” or “seek cover,” then so be it. But if the best option is “charge the m’er f’er behind a hail of lead,” then may your aim be true.

  27. avatar Michael H says:

    I largely disagee with the major point of this article, which seems to promote daily carry by everyone, more than giving actice shooter drill tips. In my experience of living in large cities for over 50 years, there is literally no situation I’ve encountered where having a gun would have made the situation better or made me safer. Maybe you live in higher crime areas, are employed in law enforcment or security, are involved with those who engage in shady or criminal activity where threats on your life are more likely, or your levels of fear have led you to a different conclusion that daily carry is an option. Lots of our fellow citizens haven’t learned that getting into a fistfight with someone is illegal so advocating to arm tem all seems to be the height of folly. The only people who benefit from every able bodied American carrying a firearm are the firearms manufacturers and the criminal defense bar.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      I’ve carried constantly for 15 years now, including in my home, and in many places where it ws not “allowed”. I have had absolutely no reason to regret it, even for a moment. If you choose to be a victim waiting for a killer, be my guest, I feel for your family but that is their problem, not mine.

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