It doesn’t even occur to the Denver Post that one of those concealed carriers may have actually dissuaded the shooter from continuing . . . Panicked people, shoppers drawing guns created chaos, delayed investigation into Thornton Walmart shooting
When detectives began reviewing video footage, they noticed multiple people drawing guns, Avila said. That slowed the process of identifying who and how many suspects were involved in the shooting, he said.
“Once the building was safe enough to get into it, we started reviewing that (surveillance video) as quickly as we could,” he said. “That’s when we started noticing” that a number of individuals had pulled weapons. “At that point, as soon as you see that, that’s the one you try to trace through the store, only to maybe find out that’s not him, and we’re back to ground zero again, starting to look again. That’s what led to the extended time.”
Can guess the other two? . . . Only 3 countries in the world protect the right to bear arms in their constitutions
The right to keep and bear arms is a longstanding, often glorified right protected by the US Constitution.
Americans own nearly half of all the civilian-owned guns in the world, and on a per capita basis, the US has far more guns than any other nation.
Certainly, many countries are awash with guns. Among the nations with the most firearms are Serbia, Yemen, Switzerland, and Saudi Arabia.
There are only three countries, however, that have a constitutional right to keep and bear arms . . .
Gee, do you think he’ll sign it? . . . Massachusetts: Gun Control Bill Hits Governor Baker’s Desk
Under this provision, a “Bump Stock” is defined as a device for a semiautomatic firearm that increases the rate of fire achievable with such firearm by using energy from the recoil of the firearm to generate a reciprocating action that facilitates repeated activation of the trigger. A “Trigger Crank” is defined as any device to be attached to a semi-automatic firearm that repeatedly activates the trigger of the firearm through the use of a lever or other part that is turned in a circular motion, but does not include any firearm initially designed and manufactured to fire through the use of a crank or lever.
The provision allows for the excessive punishment of life imprisonment, but with a minimum sentence of 18 months, for the mere possession of these accessories.
I’m sure the CMA will do the right thing and rescind these ridiculous and unfair press guidelines. In 3…2….1…..
— Brad Paisley (@BradPaisley) November 3, 2017
CMA Awards apologizes, says reporters won’t be kicked out for asking questions about guns
Such strict general guidelines might sound surprising, but country singers tried very hard this past year to stay politically neutral. Only a handful of Nashville stars endorsed a presidential candidate or talked candidly about the election.
After Las Vegas, the country music community was horrified — Jason Aldean, who was onstage when the shooting started, visited victims in the hospital. Morris released a song called “Dear Hate” to raise money for the victims. Keith Urban and Vince Gill performed at a vigil. Margo Price, an independent artist, was one of the fewwho brought up the topic of guns, tweeting “we need stricter gun control, plain and simple.”
“I have some people on Twitter who say, ‘You’re not big enough to talk about politics; you don’t want to alienate your crowd; you need to separate your music and political beliefs,’ ” Price told The Washington Post in a story about whether country artists would be able to stay apolitical after Las Vegas. “More people should be unafraid to speak out.”
Reductio ad Newsweek . . . Toddlers Could Hunt With Guns in Wisconsin Under New Bill
Even toddlers can hunt with guns in Wisconsin, under a bill the state Assembly passed that removes age restrictions on the sport.
The previous bill set the age at 12, while 10-year-olds could hunt with a “mentor,” usually a parent or a guardian. The new law removes that restriction, leaving the minimum age up to parents to decide. It also eliminates the limit on the number of guns young hunters can carry at one time.
“To allow … a toddler, a 2-year-old [to carry a gun]—and I’m not being hyperbolic, because someone will allow it—is dangerous,” Katrina Shankland, a Democrat and state representative, told the Associated Press. “Other hunters in the woods are not going to choose to get hurt by a child with a rifle.”
““Once the building was safe enough to get into it, we started reviewing that (surveillance video) as quickly as we could,” ”
READ: “Once the THE CITIZENS WITH GUNS MADE THE building safe enough to get into it, we started reviewing that (surveillance video) as quickly as we could,”
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F MA, F em all
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LOVE to see toddlers with guns, those kids are going to grow up giving the middle finger to the gun grabbers real early.
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Thanks for the choke chart !
“When detectives began reviewing video footage, they noticed multiple people drawing guns, Avila said.”
And *zero* negligent discharges by the concealed carriers.
So much for the Leftist’s claim that if there were a public mass shooting, it would turn into a ‘wild west’ shoot-out with rivers of blood in the isles.
And this one –
Mexico has a constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
*snort*
We’ve certainly seen just how that has been working out for them…
EVERY time this comes up, I feel like YHM suppressors when they do a dB comparison OP, of all of the other makers. Where’s the love? EVERYBODY knows, the best firearm / carry combination is a Beretta 96 in a HORIZONTAL SHOULDER HOLSTER with dual mag carrier on opposite side.
you guys are getting caught in the churn, I’m just sitting here trying to throw you a life-preserver.
man. . .
; )
Be polite.
Be helpful, even and especially if the customer is new to guns.
Don’t let fellow employees put a Laserlyte cartridge in a real gun and shoot customers with it. (True story.)
It’s time for bed dear. NOW.
One wonders how many additional casualties would have occurred if all the legal(?)gun toters HADN’T pulled guns. The news media always gets it wrong…everyone ready for Antifa tomorrow?!?????
Shush… Do NOT harass a woman with a gun.
Honey West and her 38’s. Double D’s that is.
My Howa .30-06 is one of my favorite rifles. It came with a nice wooden stock. The Japanese make a pretty good gun. It comes as no surprise; some of my most reliable machining tools come from Japan.
OK, about chokes:
Go pattern your gun. Set up a pattern board at your shooting range (google “shotgun pattern board” and learn how to pattern a shotgun). Get the ammo you want to use in your gun.
Then go pattern your chokes. You might be quite surprised – many people are. Often, “tight” chokes end up creating patterns with large holes in them, or patterns that are off-center, etc.
What I’ve observed is that most people end up being pleased with the patterns they get from modified to improved modified chokes, and often full or extra-full chokes display disappointing patterns.
One of the reasons why I believe this is: There’s only so much constriction you can apply to the shot charge per length of shotgun barrel before you’re slamming the shot inwards and deforming the shot or skewing the shot charge as it is about to come out of the barrel. This is where the old fixed chokes in the guns of 50+ years ago excelled – they might take 6″ of barrel at the end of the barrel to constrict to a “full” choke (or extra-full). Screw-in chokes typically have no more than 3″ of barrel length to perform this constriction. I’ve seen many guns with modern, tight chokes that give patterns with large interior holes in them, skewed patterns, etc. Back it down to improved or modified, and suddenly you have a pretty nice pattern.
“You’re printing dear.”
If your scared, say your scared.
Why would the gov’t want to check my background, if it wasn’t scared, and trying to protect itself.
Cause it can’t protect you, and it ain’t even trying. I fing guarantee it.
in my humble experience most gun store employees are arrogant, ill-informed, puffed up, seal team six wannabees. they cannot afford to, or simply do not, shoot most of the overpriced firearms that they push with their armchair commando advice. pawn shop folks are much nicer but they dont pass themselves off as pistoleros. buying off the internet with an ffl transfer has been my best experience.
Capacity is irrelevant….if you live behind the iron curtain in the People’s Republic of North Korea….I mean, New York. Maximum of 7 rounds loaded in your magazine (10 if you’re at a range) thanks to the [Un]SAFE Act. So, with that playing field leveled by the State Gestapo…(and aside from moving out of NY) which would you choose then? Seven rounds of .45 or seven rounds of 9MM? I’ll take the .45 thank you.
It would be nice if you guys wrote under each one of these from which movie it is. 😉
The OP is all great advice. By the way, it also applies to teaching people to shoot.
#1 thing I would say to “salespeople” is STFU and listen.
#2 thing I would say is that learn to love diversity, in guns. Not all guns come in milspec black. I know one guy who runs an armorors course who berates people with nickel boron bolt carriers. Gotta be only Milspec – brand – Milspec Steel or its gonna fail after 20,000,0000 rounds or something. Whatever.
#3 I thing is have a soft touch when talking someone out of something. People do get wide eyed on the internet and think that they want the James Bond gun. Or, the one from Call of Duty. Accept that people are going to buy things they regret. Best advice: Yes, I will certainly sell you that snappy little short barreled .380 but here is why you might not want it. Its snappy, hard to shoot accurately, and may hurt your wrist.
#4 the ideal scenario is for people to rent before they buy. I am a firm believer in this. Guns fit everyone differently. Some people’s hands are built for revolvers, some people are built in Standard Size and fit everything. For some people, that snappy little .380 is really quite huge in their hands.
I’d move out of New York.
Now someone do ‘three reasons to carry a .25’ !
Happy Motoring, Mark
I did at my shop seemed it was always the super hardcore deer hunter guy who couldn’t fathom using an AR 10 or any semi auto to take a white tail (too inaccurate dontcha know.) and who would swear up and down they didn’t need 20 rounds to kill a deer or the super tacticool guys who bought ARs or AKs by the arm load and then bought like 40 lbs of gear to hang off the rails while they do mag dumps at the local range.
The old farts I was referring to weren’t even packing. the last gun they bought was probably a S&W model 29 in 44 magnum back when Dirty Harry first hit theaters but they’ve come to the shop ever since then to sit at the little table by the window and read Guns & Ammo all day.
The saddest part of all this is that, before he sold it and it became a barber shop, it was in the family for 2 generations. The old man that had opened the store, and passed it on to his son before the dementia took control, was great! Very knowledgeable, priced things fairly, had a flexible layaway plan and would actually engage anyone coming through the door. The son was terrible though. He couldn’t fix most problems, would barely acknowledge your existence in his store and the pricing was insane when literally just up the street you could buy most of what he had for $100 – $300 less. Then he has the gall to wonder why his business dropped and wonder why he had to sell.
Actually, Israel is much more restrictive regarding private gun ownership & carrying than many people realize.
It is much easier for people out of the cities / in settlements to be allowed to carry a gun.
What people see is active duty military, reserve military, and people just out of their active service period guarding youth trips (a popular summer job, so I’m told). There are security guards for hotels, etc.who carry because of their job.
On my last trip there (in April) I saw only one person in Jerusalem with a sidearm.
Make no mistake, I’m still with Dr. Lott on more “good guys” carrying. I just don’t believe Israel is a good example of this.
Sat “what” again! SAY “WHAT” AGAIN!”
Sounds to me like armed citizens saved the day from another left wing nut job.
Sounds like the LA Times really had to work hard to find a liberal spin they could put on this story.
That’s it! If a Police officer acts political, and Politically attacks the US citizenry because the citizens have too many rights! The police officers in question should be immediately terminated! No ifs, and no buts…Good-bye pension, Don’t let the door hit you on the way out! This is the same Law Enforcement community that is directly interfering with a US citizens constitutional right to exercise their Lawful 2nd Amendment rights in quite a few states…While on the other hand, The Law Enforcement community has granted itself the same civilian right as ” Special Privilege, or a Political Job Entitlement !” This too, has to stop, and be enforced under the 14 Amendment ! Also, I propose a complete ban on all Police Unions nationwide, and Full independent national Civilian review boards for all rank and file Police officers….As well, as a Ban on ” Law Enforcement officers Bill of Rights– where applicable…” Cited under the 14 the amendment…
Give the people back power? NEVER.
I see your point.
Why was he even in the US. I like what Ironhead said.
Seems odd that the keepers of public order see citizens with arms as of more concern than the bad guy who was actually shooting people. That is, until you realize that from their perspective they are.
I think the point is lost on the media. Those armed citizens were unharmed and lived. The victims were unarmed.