SIG SAUER P365-380
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SIG SAUER is pleased to bring a new caliber to the award winning P365 series of pistols.  The long awaited P365 chambered in 380 is finally here – creating a new, softer shooting experience for an easier handling micro-compact option for everyday carry.

“The SIG SAUER P365 is the most popular concealed carry pistol on the market today. We have shipped millions of these pistols and until now it has only been available in one caliber,” said Tom Taylor, Chief Marketing Officer and Executive Vice President, Commercial Sales, SIG SAUER, Inc. “The P365-380 uses the same grip module and fire control unit as the legacy P365 with a lightened slide, a 380 barrel, and a lighter recoil spring making it easier to rack for an overall exceptionally smooth handling experience. This pistol was designed for everyone but is an ideal option for shooters with smaller hands, as well as those who find the manipulation and recoil management of larger caliber pistols challenging.”

The SIG SAUER P365-380 is a striker fired pistol chambered in 380 with a 10+1 capacity. This micro-compact pistol features a modular polymer grip module, optic-ready stainless-steel slide with Nitron finish, a curved striker trigger, and dovetail SIGLITE night sights. The P365-380 is also available with a manual safety and ships with (2) ten-round magazines.

Caliber: 380 AUTO
Overall length: 5.8 inches
Overall height: 4.2 inches
Overall width: 1.0 inches (1.1 inches w/manual safety)
Barrel length: 3.1 inches
Sight Radius: 4.9 inches
Weight (w/magazine): 15.7 oz.
Price: $499.99


The SIG SAUER P365-380 is now shipping and available at retailers.  To learn more about the P365-380 or watch the product video with Phil Strader, Director, Product Management visit


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  1. “… and until now it has only been available in one caliber” … and they addressed that problem by going down instead of up? Centimeter (.40 Magnum) fanbois might have another suggestion.

  2. Why would someone choose an inferior caliber to 9mm with no benefit in size reduction?
    This gun is stupid and anyone who buys this gun is stupid.

    • So bb – if you don’t like it, no one else should either? Nice little world you live in.
      So you’ve never met anyone (yet) with wrist injury problems that led to permanent weakness and discomfort ? Easy to rack, such as the 380 EZ (S&W) or this Sig is much appreciated.
      >> I also suggest you watch a You Tube video – “380 SUCKS! LOL watch this!!”
      >> 1,065,046 views Jan 20, 2014. Then Tell Me again how inferior the 380 is.

    • Amen! I’ve been saying this all along. But it seems we have some proponents of this caliber that apparently can’t handle man’s gun.

      • Outside of a defensive shotgun class almost any trip to the range, permit class, or sponsored shooting event I have been to in the last 2+ years has been majority female (usually slim majority but noticably more female than male for permit classes). Not sure how it is on the western half but Capital region is becoming very female oriented for shooters so sucks to be one looking for man’s calibers that are not primarily in demand.

        • Your right. Of the 16 million new to them gun owners half are female. SIG sees a market and has now caught up with production enough to make this model.

          In the meantime I got used to carrying a 9mm instead of a .380 and now have no reason to step back.

        • SAFE, I have taught a number of women to shoot a handgun. I have always recommended two things. 1) Buy a gun that is at least chambered in 9mm. If they could handle it, .40 S&W cal. (I have both and have not found much difference in the recoil.) 2) Don’t put the dan thing in your purse along with the other junk. It will be difficult to find even in a “dedicate” gun handbag. Not to mention the LINT. A 380 auto is just not going to cut it 90% of the time. Wounding the perp is great if the SOB will just day down. If not, you have more trouble.

        • Walt that would cover the ideal but realistically 380 is more than lethal enough and more importantly can be used more effectively by less strong females who are a bit more common than those who can easily handle 9 let alone proper 40. Bullet selection and shot placement will be important for many female shooters and getting them on something more than 22lr has been the challenge. Also purse and pocket carry are fine just need planning and cleaning the same as it has been for over a century. Important thing is to have a gun available if needed.

        • SAFE, a .380 is NOT lethal most of the time. As a matter of fact from stats I have gleamed have shown that they are “effective” only 10% of the time. It is NOT a “lethal” round.

          I’ve yet to run up against a woman who can’t handle a 9mm. If the woman is properly instructed she can handle the 9mm with no problem at all.

          In a “combat” (gun fight) situation, most people are operating on instinct and they don’t do “proper bullet placement”.

          I have pointed out that “purse and pocket carry” are fraught with stoppage problems due to lint. Not to mention drawing the gun is at best problematic UNLESS that person regularly PRACITCES. Most people do not even practice once a month let alone enough to be proficient in drawing and firing.

          I personally practice with a SIRT dat least three if not four times a week and go on the range even in this weather once every two weeks. Why? Because is you are NOT proficient with your firearm when you need it the skill will have deteriorated appreciably.

          IN short, without continued practice, practice, practice, no gun will help you save your own life unless you are EXTREMELY lucky. Wouldn’t you rather be good then lucky? To not practice and to think that you can “just get by” is a fool’s errand.

        • Walt overwhelmingly no pistol round is lethal even a slim majority of the time. Rifle and shotgun are the dominant players for killing in shootings. Any shot that kills in 9 will probably kill in 380 just as it has for decades otherwise 38 special would have never been bothered with. Not sure how many stoppages you have seen from pocket/purse carry but I have to look long hard and several states over for anything reliable in occurrence. Limp wristing on the other hand is super common and less of an issue when the shooter is comfortable with the gun. If they can work into 9 great if not 380 is good enough for most issues they will run into and when it isn’t 9 or even 40/357/10/44 are not likely to do much better. Also realistically any defensive pistol shooting lately will be most of the magazine if not one shot so the faster and more easily they can do that with a gun they will actually carry the better.

        • SAFE I have to strongly disagree. While the 9mm para is marginal it is a far superior round to the .380 auto. Better yet the ,40S&W is far superior to both and is more likely to be a “man stopper” than either the 9mm or the 380 auto. “Any shot that kills in 9 will probably kill in 380”? Wow! Not only is that an over simplification but is dead wrong. A .380 lacks mass to convert to stopping power. A comparison between the two round in ballistic gel tell the story better than I can.
          A .40 S&W is a man stopper; again, see the results of a ballistic gel test. .357? Pretty much the same. A 10 mm is a very powerful round almost comparable to the .45 acp. A .44 mag? Have you ever fired one? Have you seen the ballistic gel tests with the .44 mag? if you wee taught properly to shot, you were taught to shoot TWO ROUNDS in succession at center of mass to make it more likely you will stop your attacker.

        • Walt I understand your viewpoint and it is about where I started out with firearms. But how many of those rounds can a smaller framed person reliably double tap accurately in quick succession let alone mag dump. And its not 03 anymore 9mm has advanced considerably to the point that 40 is largely being phased out as redundant and the improvements apply to other calibers as well which is a shame as I did like 40/357 sig but availability sucks and they are not as much of an advantage as they were 2 decades ago. Also yes have seen the ballistic gel tests with all involved. Also saw the one shot stop reports and only 357 magnum was substantially higher. All pistols should start with a double tap and yes 380 has multiple loadings that have more than enough penetration to be deadly under adverse conditions and manstopping is meaningless unless you are talking shotgun or rifle and if you don’t believe me there are plenty of jihidi vids of khated up crazies soaking pistol rounds before rifles get involved in East and North Africa. Different experiences tend to create different viewpoints and strangely all tend to have a lot of useful data.

        • SAFE Who told you that the .40 S&W is being “phased out”? Poppy cock.

          The 9 has not progressed even close to the .40 cal. Not even in the same ball park. Recently I have not had any problem at all getting .40 S&W ammo. During the “pandemic”, yeah, but then there was a a shortage on everything.

          There is NO way that the puny .380 auto can even come half close to either the 9 or the 40. With the .380 you better use more than a “double tap.” You better unload the entire mag and hope like hell you hit something.

          I was in law enforcement for 35 yrs. I’ve carried .38 spc, .357, 9mm and 40 cal. I’ve even handled the .45 apc. Round for round the 40 is the one that does the job and still be able to be handled without any real problem. I’ve heard a lot of people complain that the .40 kicks to hard. I have found there is little if any difference if any between the recoil of the 9 and the 40. I’ve taught women to use the ,40. Hell, Rome PD has some pretty small women on the job and they are carrying the GLOCK Mod 21 (45acp) and they all qual with high scores. The key is PROPER INSTRUCTION. Proper instruction starts with GRIP.

          Unfortunately, too many instructors do not take the time to properly instruct their students let alone women shooters. They all assume (and you know what assuming does) that a woman can’t handle the .40. I’ll say it again. HORSE PUCKY!

        • I believe you. When I went to get my NC CCW permit in my county, there were two of us guys…the rest were females. IIRC there were @15 persons total.

        • FBI for starters as well as most federal agencies. Local governments to follow as the relative cost makes 40 unsustainable much like the 10 to 40 adoption issues back when you were working that largely phased out 45 acp and gap and essentially ended police revolvers for most agencies. Not saying it is a good idea but it is the direction things are headed even here in NY.

        • SAFE For your edification, (I’m sure you already know) 40 S&W is more expensive than 9mm. This is the REAL reason for the Feds going to the 9.

          The direction in this county is to remain with the .40 S&W. The 9 is OK, but….

        • I know Walt and used to do ordering for some of it and even 5 years ago I started to see more 9 and less everything else. I can’t speak for agency ordering prices now but if they are even remotely linked to market value (less so because of longer term purchase contracts) I could easily see 40 being even more expensive compared to 9 now than it was during the end of the Obama years. Personally I support officer discretion to go as heavy as they can reliably use under stress while not going too crazy with over penetration. But personal feelings are irrelevant when budgets and logistics are involved. Oh and as to why revolvers would still be in use anywhere it is a consideration of cost to replace, train on new equipment, disposal of unused ammo, and percentage of department facing retirement in 5 to 10 years. From what I remember it was mostly use up ammo stocks and switch over the least retirement high percentage agencies first and keep going. Up end 40 is very likely to stay in use for a good while so long as purchase contracts continue from what I remember.

        • SAFE I have to tell you, we have not had that problem here in this neck of the woods. .40 S&W has always been on the shelves until the pandemic and then you could not even get a .22LR.

          Our PD’s have not had any problem with getting the .40’s either. Around here, the PD’s and the SO’s feel that the stopping power of the .40 is necessary in this county. The Oneida Cty SO has been carrying the GLOCK Mod 22 for some 25-30 yrs. The only exception is Utica PD which carries the Smith & Wesson M&P. But there it has been for political reasons. The Chief of Police Rotundo did not like the GLOCK pistols and opted for SMITH. From the officers that I know, they would have much preferred the GLOCK but…
          Rome PD has always carried a .45. For a few years they switched over to the .45GLOCk round but it became to hard to get when the State Police switched over the .45GLOCK rounds. As of January 2018, New York State Troopers are issued the Glock 21 Gen 4 .45 ACP when ghey switched back because of the ability to get the 45GLOCK. Still today they carry the GLOCK 21 Gen 4. The RPD also carries the GLOCK 21 Gen 4. If I recall correctly there are 4 female officers on RPD and the State Troopers in this area have at lease 5 women Troopers working in Oneida County and Madison County zones. They all have to carry the 45acp just like the men and they have no problem qualifying.

          There is a MISCONCEPTION that the .40 S&W “kicks” much harder than the 9. Poppy cock. The difference in the recoil I have found to be miniscule. Again, the REAL problem is that shooters are not properly schooled in GRIP which is the main reason that people have a problem with any gun at all. The smaller the caliber the less the grip comes into play. Our PD’s don’t have any problem with “disposal” as they rotate stored ammunition first in first out. RPD requires officers to qual 2 times a year. I am not sure what the State Troopers do, but I know that Oneida Cty Sheriff’s Deputies also have to qual twice a year. Again they rotate stock, first in first out. GLOCK has always had a “trade in” policy for police departments. When a pistol has run its cycle, GLOCK takes the pistol in trade and gives the department a credit toward the new firearm.

          I have to agree about departments keeping the ,40 cals. But for a different reason. They consider the 40 to be a far superior man stopper to the 9. From what I have seen in the ballistic gel tests, I have to agree with then. Which is why I carry the GLOCK Mod 22 when I am out serving papers and only carry my GLOCK Mod 27 (also 40 S&W) ONLY during the summer months (around here, only late June to mid Sept. at best).

        • Walt I like 40 because of auto glass and body penetration. There are loadings of 9 that have mostly caught up but baseline 40 is good. Man stopping is pretty much the same at this point and I see as many of the 100 odd Albany shooting victims walk(limp) their happy asses to Albany Med after being shot by a 45 as a 40 as a 9. The draco and ar pistols not so much. If you hit something important they will go down and it will be quicker if it’s more important. Failing that yes bigger holes can be better for faster leaking but so can more holes faster. So for that part of the caliber argument I am not as set on any one caliber as it is still just a pistol.

        • SAFE As you say they “limp into Albany Med”. If they were hit in the vitals with a .40, they would not be limping, they would be in a body bag.

      • My dad would agree with you
        Which is why he passed his Colt 380 government model to me.
        I have since passed it on my nephew for his wife when he’s on duty with Austin Texas Police

      • Walter,- “proponents of this caliber that apparently can’t handle man’s gun.” >> that is an assumption, (like a new 2nd Lieutenant) as to how many calibers one owns.
        >>> As for kill power – “More deer have been dropped with a .22, a 12 pack and a flashlight than all calibers combined.” >”More Steers and Hogs have been dropped on the farm with a .22 for butcher than all other calibers combined.” Shot placement has always been KEY ! Not caliber! (steers had an average weight of 1,456 pounds at harvest, Hogs 250.) How much you weigh?

        • Ol’Sarge, Nope, that is an OBERSEVATION. I don’t know of any “deer …dropped” with a .22. That sounds like poppycock. I know for a fact in this State if you hunt deer with a .22 and get caught you are going to be in rather big trouble with the ECO’s

          .22’s are good for woodchuck, fox (if you do the .22 WRM) squirrels and rabbits. But not much more.

        • for Walter E B.S. – 1st> obviously you have no idea what was going on in NY Up-State – The More Deer shot by a 22 statement came from Franklin County New York in the 1980’s. Once again you Assume, I never said it was legal! Poaching has always been a major problem -everywhere. Just heard that statement again from a long time Hunter education & firearms instructor for 2 states in the midwest. (KS & Mo.) BTW -How many Hereford cattle or Yorkshire hogs have you helped butcher? (Or Deer?) They drop right where they stood. I drop squirrel with a pump .177 crosman, all day long, 22 not needed. And seen many a coon take on 3 or more hounds after being dropped from the tree with a 22. It’s all about shot placement.
          >>>So if you and all .380 haters watch the Y-T video i mentioned ” So You think the 380 Sucks, watch this” Then tell me again how you’ll catch one in your teeth and spit it out ! What a gun snob. BTW -NY police (NYC) are notorious bad shots (with their safe trigger pistols- If the trigger pull stats are true?) google that mess.
          >>>2nd – I agree with all – Some small light 380’s will kick more and be less controllable than a good 9 or an all steel 1911. I’ve seen more people, male & female struggle with a LCP 380, then I hand them a S&W or CZ 9 and improvement is immediate. Same for a very fit young lady (athletic scholarship) struggling with a Glock 40, couldn’t hit a plate at 10 Yds – CZ75 in 9 -Bingo, all on the plate, wanted to leave with my pistol.
          But if you’re saying lint stops a pistol? “Come on man”. That was a limp wrist or a very dirty pistol before it went in the purse. Spend more time time cleaning your carry gun. Not that I recommend a purse carry for many reasons. Lint ain’t one of them.
          >> For those saying Big calibers are the only way- I guess you’ll only carry a TAC-14.

        • Sarge come to think of it I do remember a few of the encon guys telling me how the great depression largely saw white tails extinct in Upstate NY and a mix of 22lr and suppressors were the biggest reasons (besides starvation obviously). Large part of the reason why suppressors are flat out illegal for civilians at the State level regardless of their growing popularity for the rest of the country. Poaching is a problem that goes back a long way.

        • Ol’Sarge. Pure unadulertated BULL SHIT. Using the .22 for deer hunting has been ILLEGAL in NYS for about 50 plus years.

          Any poacher who shoots deer period should be prosecuted to the FULLEST extent of the law.

        • Walt honestly not trying to be a smart ass here but that is exactly why we have so many damned encon officers and why their overtime can easily exceed their base salaries. And yes subsonic 22 to head has been common for a long damned time especially from a tree stand in remote as hell areas of the Adirondacks. Poachers suck and we have a lot of them.

      • Yes, my dear little friend. They are called little old ladies (or old men) with arthritis, and they also have a right to defend themselves. No, these people can’t handle a “man’s gun”, and that is alright. If we live long enough, we will all eventually become frail.

        You and I (and most gun guys under 75) don’t want it, but some people do. This Sig in .380 beats a .22lr, and a .22lr is better than harsh words.

      • And WEB III sure knows what it is to barely (and I mean very barely) qualify as a man!

        • He’s disparaged me more than once because my edc is a 380. I wear shorts and t shirts all year, as a work uniform. I’m interested in a 365 v Ruger Max faceoff.

        • just dropping by to say, I am more of a man in my little toe than you will ever be in your whole body. Of course that’s not saying much for me, is it?

        • Rad Man, Poor baby. If you can’t take the heat, don’t come in the kitchen. If you can’t handle a real gun, I guess a 380 is about the best you can do.

      • Some people might be wanting .380 for a small back up pistol. You know to back up the 9mm or .45acp they are carrying. Or to have a nother ‘common caliber” pistol for when 9mm or .45acp is out of stock. FWIW I’ve been waiting for Sig to offer this pistol in .380acp. I’m 6 ft 1″ @ 250lbs, so you can stop with your “.380 is for those who can’t handle a man’s gun” BS. Lighten up and learn something, because it’s obvious you do not know “everything”.

        • Touche Country Boy ! if W.E.B. the IIIrd was a real man by his own theory he’d be carrying a real .40 -the 10mm Mag. A S&W 1006 if it’s not too heavy for him. guess he prefers plastic Glocks. 😉 My hunting buddy up in Franklin Co carried a 1006 or M29 when on the road or in the woods.That 1006 was a joy to shoot!>>>
          A good point about not finding 9mm or 40 during these cyclic ammo hording phases we have. I went down to 7.62X25 for a while. ( S&B ammo)

        • Country Boy Just because you are 6’1″a nd 250, doesn’t mean you can handle a man’s gun. Maybe a .380 pop gun is all you can handle. I don’t know as I’ve never seen you shot anything off but your mouth.

          Time for you to get a grip on reality. I doubt that can happen, butx do try and give is a shot? 😁

        • Ol’Sarge What was your MOS? Were you a REMF? If you bothered to read (which apparently you either didn’t or can’t) you would know that I carry a GLOCK Mod 22 Gen 4 which is for your edification, a .40S&W. As to the 10? I have considered it but as I do civil work (serving papers) and sometimes have to call for assistance from local LEO’s who almost all carry the .40 cal, I have opted for the .40 for continuity. Thankfully I have not had to draw my firearm while serving papers although one time a jerk came to the door carrying a pellet gun which closely resembled the S&W Mod 27 (that’s a .357). I told him to put then gun down as I put my hand on my own gun and bladed taking cover behind the door jam leaving very little exposure. He using his head put his gun down, and I told him to step back. When I entered I say that it was a pellet gun.

          You bet your ass, I prefer the GLOCK. It is an excellent firearm which is used by the majority of law enforcement in this state. Except for the pandemic, I have had no problem at all of finding .40S&W, Maybe you don’t go to the right places for your ammo?
          If you need help finding ammo, let me know.

    • Busy, I’m no .380 ACP fan (do like some of the pistols chambered for it though). I mean I consider 9mm to be a minor Eurotrash caliber. However, some shooters are recoil sensitive. Be it medical, new shooter, etc. And a .380 is better than a sharp stick. I know two guys who own 365s. Nothing but high praise. And they would know.

      • @Gadsden Flag Sensible comment. So many hate .380, you know, the caliber that started WW1… Anyone who carries a .380 or a 32, or even a 25acp is better protected against an attacker than just harsh words. Not everyone can handle a 44 Mag or 454 Casull. For many the S&W .380EZ is a go to weapon. And your friends are right, the P365 is a great gun in 9mm, no reason for it not to be in .380acp.

      • One man with a .380 pistol started World War I. Gavrilo Princip murdered the archduke of Austria-Hungary and his wife. Both of them were hit once and both died within an hour. Anyone who thinks .380 can’t be lethal is an ignoramus.

        • Scott, Seems you are the ignoramus. It seems that the assassin shot the Arch Duke Ferdinand at point blank range in the abdomen and then the neck. The fatal wound was to the neck. Not the abdomen. Hell, numbnutz, a .22 to the head would have had the same result. Next time you want to chime on on a subject do COMPLETE research on the subject matter.

          I stand by my evaluation of the .380 auto as being a less than lethal round 90% of the time.

          A word of advice? You might want to check your FACTS before you make a bigger fool of yourself. Have a good day.

        • Scott – WEB the IIrd misses the obvious point ! – The Arch Duke was Dead !!! And .40 to gut would have done no better ! So who’s the fool? Also – How many times has a 9mm been less lethal ? We just had a local perp hit 3 times with pistol, & a Bean bag 12ga by the police after he charged them – He’s recovering in the hospital. So???
          Late 70’s & early 80’s – 2 diferent instances that I personally know about – 12ga to the head – both lived. They didn’t look the same but they lived. One had the State of NY pay for reconstructive surgery while doing time. SO by that account WEB the IIrd will say carry a 10gauge, 12’s are for wimps !
          Like I said -go watch the video I mentioned in a earlier post. You’ll appreciate it

        • Ol’Sarge, I did not miss a thing, Little Fella. For your edification because the .40 is larger and expands and has a LARGER channel wound destroying more organs and tissue. You being an “Ol’Sarge should know that. One has to wonder what you did in the service, if you don’t know that.

          A “bean bag round from a shotgun is designed to be “less than lethal.” So the chances of his being killed by such is slim and none. As to being his with a pistol round it depends on where he was hit. For some reason you leave that VITAL fact out.

          As to these two instances where you say someone was hit in the head with a 12ga, again, it depends on where he was hit AND WHAT KIND OF ROUND. But then again, you leave that information out.

          Try again? If you want….

    • busybeef sounds like the current Liberal/Democrat/Socialist/Marxist/Communists. You have to like what we like. You have to watch what we watch. You have to think like we do. etc.etc.etc. Conform Conform Conform!!

    • I only want a .380 if it is smaller than a 9mm. The day ruger comes out with a 9mm LCP max, im ditching the .380. The Max is still small enough compared the the P365 that I prefer it for pocket carry.

  3. My friend has allowed me to shoot his 365 on several trips to the range. I would describe it as very soft shooting. To the point that almost all of the FTF issues could be attributed to his grip. If you give any on the recoil, you could have an issue. I can’t see the need to lighten the recoil of this particular model.

    However, I believe that variety is the spice of life. That SIG has offered the gun in a different caliber is perfectly acceptable.

  4. Didn’t the P365 kill all those micro .380’s that were so popular at the time of its release like the TCP and LCP?

    Now we’ve come full circle with no additional capacity or size reduction. Neat.

      • Had a Taurus TCP. EZ to shoot. Quite EZ to pocket carry. No problems at all. Making a 380 the same size(but a bit lighter) is kinda dumb. My buddy got a Sig365 with 12 round mags. Only a bit painful to shoot but could be cured by a Handall Jr. This smacks of S&W EZ territory…

        • I’ve had pistols that were painful to shoot (Scandium J-Frame .357 – REE!), but the P365 isn’t one of them. To be fair, I guess I might feel differently if I were smaller.

        • The Sig P365 is considerably larger and heavier than the micro
          .380 LCP/P3AT/TCP class of guns.

          Those little guys still have a niche for deep and or casual concealment (with the LCP Max probably being the best).

          I recently bought a Ruger Max 9 (similar size and function to the Sig P365). It now fills my pocket carry role instead of the 642 J-frame. Still, the Max 9 is sometimes a bit bigger than I want, and I will step down to the old LCP to be more discreet.

          I love a micro .380 or a J-frame for pocket carry. It’s just that I want the most capacity. 10+1 of 9mm beats 5 or .38sp or 6+1 of .380, and still usually works for pocket duty.

        • Lol you carry a Taurus? In what other ways do you let the world know you’re a loser who’s given up on his hopes and dreams?

        • I expected it to be a little smaller. Lighter is still better for pocket carry, which is the only reason I occasionally carry a 380. Pocket carry is just convenient. I think mine’s around 13 oz.

    • It’s smart to keep it in the same size, thus it’s compatible with all the holsters and accessories that are already available for the 365.

  5. Interesting.

    380 might be less powerful than 9 but it’s not all that unpopular. I would not use it for defense unless *maybe* as a backup, *possibly*. But that doesn’t make it useless anymore that .22lr or even .32 is. There is a market for this caliber for sure. This might be a good one for the ladies to look at.

    • 22lr is good for raccoons with a bad attitude.
      Had one on my mom’s ranch house.
      Got into food met for mom’s cats, only reason I didn’t she could have kits to feed!
      Also raccoons keep 🐀 rat population down

      • They play hell with the chickens and the sweet corn patch.
        Plus they get rabies easy.
        Quit feeding the cats and they’ll eat the rats, lol.

        • Dang! I hate what raccoons do to a sweet corn patch. They pull each ear down and take one or two bites out of it. Infuriating

          I’ve also had those f*ers kill chickens, and I live in town where I shouldn’t blast them.

      • @Art out West.
        Yeah, they sure do that. I watched a mom coon and her young ones go into a corn patch and I tell yah, they was having a blast, chirping and caring on, chasing each other ripping up one ear then on to another one. They was having so much fun it was kinda hard to get pissed at them.
        Mom was over there chewing away getting full but the kids was like they was in an amusement park and couldn’t hit all the rides fast enough.

  6. My LCP has been demoted since I acquired a 365, the recoil is about the same between the steel 365 and the polymer LCP. The only drawback is the SIG is noticeably heavier, so pocket carry is less comfortable.
    A 365 in .380 might appeal to the very recoil sensitive.

    • Would have made sense to chamber it in 30Super and at least pick up a round or two, but chambering in a shorter round of the same diameter makes zero sense. However, they’ll sell a ton of them because SIG fanboiz.

      • Likely a 15 rd mag will soon be available for the .380 , if it isn’t already. I use the 15 rd mag for my concealed P365 9mm.

    • Pete Convenience? Pocket carry even in the best of “pocket holsters” is a fools errand. In every pocket in the world there is this thing we refer to as “pocket lint”. Now where do you think that lint ins going to wind up? Do you think it could cause a “failure to fire”? A gun belongs on your strong side hip. If you don’t know how do do this, I suggest that you take a good concealed carry course.

      • Walter the Beverley Hillbilly

        As usual you do no know your ass from a hole in the ground. The main reason people buy a pocket holster is to keep the gun upright in your pocket and yes you fool it does keep lint out of the gun as I have been using a pocket holster for years. If you were not so cheap and stingy and bought some new cloths you would not have the lint problem anyway.

        • Thank you. WEB is very much my way or the highway, indicating he doesn’t know a lot about guns, clothing, or occupation.

        • dacian the DUNERHEAD Well,, little fella, if you want your gun to have a malfunction, you go right ahead and carry your pea shooter in your pocket along with all the other junk and lint. but then you aren’t the brightest light on the tree.

        • Cat Boss and Rad Man, please do yourself a favor and try to learn how to handle a real gun. Your pea shooters are might be good for fun and frolic but not much else.

      • you do know that many Americans keep the lint out of their pockets don’t you? Especially the ones who pocket carry. Think man THINK.

        • Country Boy you might want to use your head for something more than a hat rack
          Most people “pocket carry” or not, don’t clean their pocket of the lint. But hey, maybe you are the exception.

  7. Here we go again with this380 Auto nonsense. 380 auto is a peep squeak of a gun. It has little penetration and expansion. The damn bullet is too damn small to stop the perp for sure.

    • I don’t think that’s the complaint, most would agree that the 380 is at least a (minimum) okay defensive round… it’s just that the original was built around the 9mm, so why not also build a new model to take advantage of the smaller form factor that would be possible with the watered down round ?

      • The answer was money. Most gun owners are not that intelligent when it comes to all things mechanical and they will not know that the 9mm is the same size. I might also add if the new Sig was built as a blow back and not a lock breached weapon the .380 will actually recoil much more.

        This model series has had a curse on it from day one whether we are speaking of the 9mm or the .380.



        P.S. In the past I have repeatedly warned people never, never to buy a new model gun until it has been out on the market for at least 2 years as there are always endless recalls because of the blind greed of the manufacturer who is too cheap and stingy to properly test a new model before putting it on the market. Its cheaper to fk the customers and have them test it for them.

        • Correction on my link it was about the 9mm not the 380 model but reports on the .380 model have stated people have had numerous fails to fire.

        • “I might also add if the new Sig was built as a blow back and not a lock breached weapon the .380 will actually recoil much more.” But it’s not so I’m not sure what you’re point is. You’re basically saying that if it was a different gun it might recoil more… so?

    • To Walter the Beverly Hillbilly

      Another idiotic rant. Surveys have shown that more people are killed by the .25 acp and the .32 acp than all other calibers so bad mouthing the .380 makes you an even bigger fool.

      • Most people don’t have much faith in surveys and facts that they read in MadMagazine, but hey, you do you.

        • I should have added that the .32 acp actually out penetrates the .380, that is why the German Army chose it over the 380 because the 32 acp penetrated a military helmet in the test and the ,380 bounced off.

          I might add in a U.S. Military test in 1945 the 9mm penetrated a helmet at an astonishing 125 yards and the dud round .45acp bounced off the helmet at only 35 yards. See the book “The Inglis Diamond”.

          I might also add that a man was attacted outside a bar by 3 thugs and the man shot all of them with a 25 acp one shot each and killed all 3.

          And a Lady cab driver was abducted by a serial killer but she had a hidden .25 acp on her and when he took her to a remote area to murder her she blew him away with her .25 acp, deader than hell.

      • This reply is directed to Dacian and Walter.
        Walter, I find myself in the uncomfortable position of agreeing with Dacian. At least as far as pocket carry goes. After all, let’s not get stupid. I’ve pocket carried for decades. Never had a problem with lint. Revolver and semi-auto. A quality pocket holster is the answer. I recommend Rosen, Kramer, Sparks, Galco, etc. because I have real world experience with them. Dacian, I also have real world experience with homicides involving .25, .32 and .380 ACP. And I have a lot more experience interviewing a GSW victim of those calibers while being treated by EMS. Yeah, they could talk. Usually wasn’t kept overnight at the hospital. In my experience Dacian got those caliber/homicide statistics from one of his studies.
        Guys, said it before. When it comes to handgun calibers; bigger, deeper holes are the answer. Never mind the last article you read. Ask your local medical examiner after the next autopsy you attend. I always did.

        • That is your prerogative. A 380 auto will not reliably put a perp down. Bottom line. Give me a .40 S&W any day over your pop gun. Might as well carry spit balls. The 380 auto has little stopping power and in a gun fight that is what counts.

        • Pistols in general do not have the destructive capacity we want. 9mm short and a bunch of other “mouse” calibers, have killed a bunch of people. It wasn’t that long ago that .38 special was the go to caliber. Stats have continually stated the same thing and it is that for civilian distances (handgun) caliber matters very little. Even history shows that many of the pistols of the old west (heck most of the 19th century) were putting out energy levels below what modern full sized handguns do in 9mm para. And yet dudes died plenty. And how about the kavetching about size when 5.56 came out?

          All things being equal I would want the “bigger” caliber. Although, oftentimes smaller bullets with more “gas” penetrate deeper (like a tokarev). But all things are usually not equal and if they were I would want a long gun. But that is not always convenient.

          It does not matter if dacian stated it or not. It is still true.

        • DDW, Any round “can kill”, but to do so with any consistence is the criteria that someone who owns a firearm should be going by. I absolutely agree with you that in the case of a caliber “bigger is much better.” I’ve been carrying a .40S&W since I retired from the State. Before I retired, if I was taking a convict on a trip to a hospital, or court, etc, the department equipped us with S&W Model 10 with a bull barrel. Was it adequate? Debatable, at best, but that is what the Department issued to the officers and sergeants on a trip. Today, I understand that they have changed over to the GLOCK Mod 17 that that State Troopers transferred to DOCCS when they went to the .45GLOCK. Those GLOCKS that the Troopers gave(sold) to DOCCS were at best WRONG OUT from all the rounds that the Troopers had put through then over the years. Needless to say each gun should have been (I doubt that DOCCS did) rebuild the guns with new barrels, springs and firing pins. DOCCS has always operated on the cheap principle.

          In this neck of the woods, all the Police Departments except Utica PD carry at least the .40S&W (Oneida County Sheriff’s, and village PDs). The Troopers all carry the GLOCK in .45GLOCK round. Rome City PD carries the GLOCK in 45APC.

          A word to the wise, if the police in your region, don’t carry the pip squeak .380, what does that tell you? But we will always have the .380 auto fans who just carry to say they are carrying a gun.

      • dacian, the DUNDERHEAD. Just goes to show just how much you know about handguns and firearms in general. Small caliber rounds do not incapacitate in 90% of the time.

        Please go back to mommy’s basement and hibernate.

        • Walter you Hill Jack. Every post you make about firearms shows you know little about them. I had a good laugh about your wild 90% failure rate, you seem to just pick numbers out of the air showing what a Dotard you are.

          And judging from all the negative comments you received from the other posters they know what a fake you are as well.

        • dacoian, the DUNDERHEAD. What you know about firearms I could stick in the bottom of a thimble and never cover the bottom. Your “numbers” are horse pucky. They don’t account for the times where that little ole .380 did not do the trick and the guy carrying it got his arse kicked. Does your mommy know you are playing on the computer again?

    • Ask Chad Oulson how much a .380 doesn’t stop someone.
      Oh that’s right, Chad Oulson is dead from a single .380 bullet and the guy who shot him is on trial now.

      The whole world doesn’t think like you. People chose .380 for a reason. Does it match your reason? No. Would I chose a 365 in .380? No. But I’m not elderly, I don’t struggle with recoil. There are tradeoffs to be made with calibers and weapon size. Pretending you know what’s best for everyone is ridiculous.

      • Exactly. Many people like to disparage the .380 round. Yet I’m sure, not 1 of them would be willing to take a round to the body to prove their opinion of it’s uselessness.

      • Colonel, I’m not sure who your comment is directed at, but I kinda get your point. Chad was killed from a single .380 ACP bullet. I worked a homicide where the victim was killed by a single blow to the head with a cast iron skillet. (How’s that for a one shot stop.) Point is, I don’t put a frying pan in my pocket when I walk out the door. I’ll stick with what I have personally seen work best. That’s bigger, deeper holes. Dacian can keep reading his studies. 😆

        • It was for Walter E Beverly III.

          The idea that a .380 is “too damn small to stop the perp for sure” is simply nonsense. There are countless examples right now of 9mm not stopping someone immediately, either.

          So many variables to consider with a gunfight.

        • Ah Colonel Travis there are also dozens and dozens more where the .380 was proved totally inadequate.

      • Well Col, it was a lucky hit to be sure. 90% of the hits by a small caliber do not incapacitate. A wounded subject is more dangerous than a unwounded perpetrator.

        Col? A col of what? Corn?

  8. .380 isn’t a cartridge to sneeze at, considering it has untapped potential, just as the 9mm did up until a decade ago.

    • Screwdriver tips have been impressive in both this as well as 32acp. I am looking more in the centimeter direction for any new gun but my wife did love a few 380’s we tried on vacation. Can’t say I think that the 365 template is an ideal footprint for the round though but guess we will see how it works out.

      • Same with those polymer ARX bullets out of my TCP. They tear stuff up, and I wouldn’t want to be on the wrong end of one. Could just about carry that little thing up a sleeve.

        • Any info on those for barrier penetration? I found enough to trust the Lehigh but haven’t had much luck on the copper polymer mixes.