John Filippidis thought he was prepared for his Christmas roadtrip. He knew he’d be passing through some states in the northeast that didn’t value his Second Amendment rights as much as his home state of Florida—that is to say, “at all”—so he left his EDC, a Kel-Tec .380, at home in the safe. But he was mistaken. Traveling down I-95 on New Year’s Eve eve with his wife and three teenage daughters (God help him), he had an encounter with law enforcement that he never could have imagined.
Now, first let me say that we received more than a dozen emails about this story (Dave was first, go Dave!), but I was holding off because there is only one source and one story (as told to The Tampa Trib), and it has a fairly large hole, so I was hoping for more info. Alas, it was not to be, so on with the tale.
According to Mr. Filippidis, he was just barely into Maryland when he noticed he was being followed by an unmarked patrol car. It ran alongside them for a while, then in front, and pulled in behind them. For ten minutes. Finally, the lights came on, and they pulled over. Mr. F provides his license and registration, and then waited. For ten more minutes.
The officer, who was from the Transportation Authority Police, Maryland’s version of the NY Port Authority, orders Mr. F out of the vehicle, took him back behind the SUV and ordered him to hook his thumbs behind his back and spread his feet. Then, according to Mr. F, he heard the officer say something he never expected. “You own a gun. Where is it?”
Mr. F told the officer that it’s at home in the safe. The officer ordered him not to move, and walked up to the passenger window where Mrs. F is sitting. “Your husband owns a gun. Where is it?” She replied that she doesn’t know, but unfortunately, she didn’t stop there. “Maybe in the glove [box]. Maybe in the console. I’m scared of it. I don’t want to have anything to do with it. I might shoot right through my foot.”
The officer returned to John, and called him a liar. “You’re lying to me. Your family says you have it. Where is the gun? Tell me where it is and we can resolve this right now.” Of course, John can’t show him what doesn’t exist. The officer later told him that his wife’s failure to corroborate his story was the probable cause for the officer to summon backup.
Three marked cars showed up and the Expedition was emptied. Family, luggage, Christmas gifts, laundry bags, all on the side of the road. The eldest twin daughters were patted down, and Mr. and Mrs. F were separated into the backs of two patrol cars. The officers explored the engine compartment and probed inside door panels. After 90 minutes or more—”It felt like forever,” said Mrs. F—no weapons were found, the Expedition was repacked, and the story ends, for the moment, with the officer writing out a warning, for 71 in a 55.
So the hole I mentioned earlier is this: unlike some states, concealed weapons permit information is not available immediately at hand during roadside stops to LEOs in the state of Florida. It can be obtained, but it’s on-demand; there is no red flag that pops up when they run your license or registration. They don’t call up and ask if John Doe has a permit, but they can call to see if the permit John Doe presented is still valid. Since 2006, permit holder and applicant information is exempt from public records laws. Further, no firearms ownership information of any kind is available, because Florida has no firearm registration scheme.
So the question is, if Florida law enforcement doesn’t get permit information on a regular roadside stop without a specific request, how did the Maryland officer get the information? If the officer was quoted correctly—”You own a gun”—how would he know that, given that there is no firearms registration in the state of Florida? MTAP isn’t talking on the record, citing pending investigation, but Mr. Filippidis has received apologies from both the officer’s captain as well as an MTAP internal affairs captain, which would seem to indicate that something isn’t right.
In the meantime, Mr. F is considering canceling his CWFL, if it’s not more trouble than it’s worth. While I can understand his concern after what he went through, I hope that’s not the route he chooses to take.
[Small Update: The Conservative Treehouse has sent MTAP a public records request and received confirmation that it was received.]
[Update #2: According to a second post at The Conservative Treehouse, Maryland has an intelligence hub known as the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center. According to TCH, “the intelligence analysis hub has access to, and contains, Florida’s CCW list (among other identification systems) and mines the state’s database systems for vehicle plate numbers of the holders. These license plate numbers are then stored in a cross referencing database within the Maryland Coordination and Analysis Center.” But that’s just the beginning. Click over to read the rather chilling “rest of the story.”
Related to the ATF scanning gun store records?
In the meantime, Mr. F is considering canceling his CWFL, if it’s not more trouble than it’s worth
Is this guy crazy? He has the chance to file a giant lawsuit and he’s thinking about giving up his license.
Robert and Dan,
I would like if possible for you guys to get some clarification.
First off I hope Smith and Wesson and GLOCK follow suit.
Will these companies also stop selling off roster firearms of any type to California State Agencies?
This is critical that they do so. If we the law abiding citizens can’t have them, neither can the police.
This will cause the Police unions, and Sheriffs to put pressure on legislature to end the insanity.
They clearly have little regard for the citizens point of view.
And cops wonder why they’re getting a Costco-sized ration of abuse from the gun-owning public (and many more besides) these days.
To cops: You’re getting what you deserve. You know who these thugs are in your ranks. You obviously tolerate them in your ranks. Silence equals assent.
To Mr. Filippidis: You need to have words with your wife, as many men do. When you’re talking to cops, follow this rule: don’t.
99% of cops give the rest a bad name.
5-10% give everybody else in a group a bad name.
How many rabid, religious people do you kniw in comparison to normal, religious people?
Change out “religious people” to any group and it still rings true, except if you are in a bad place.
Law Enforcement personnel are NOT any group. They have been granted a huge amount of authority over the rest of us, and should be help,to a much, much higher standard. They ought to hold THEMSELVES to a much higher standard. There should not be any place in their ranks to for the very prevalent “us vs. them” mindset which seems so prevalent, and is the underpinning of a lot of L.E. gun control support. Certainly the comparison to the percentage of “unusual thinkers” in any religion is way off base.
I am glad that my spouse is an attorney. In the absence of her council, I will be following her standing order of STFU. Of course the military “interview” training should help on that front as well. Yeah, it sucks that we are stationed in Maryland. We are trying to get (assigned) to North Carolina soon.
He should have left that beeyotch on the side of the effing highway.
Yeah, and get shot full of holes. GREAT plan,,,
Only if you take this unverified story as gospel. I work in Maryland. No way does a license check (much less a vehicle registration check) from Florida reveal permit status in MD as the story seems to suggest. NCIC doesn’t supply that info. Now since the Florida to NY corridor is a huge drug\weapons artery I think it is possible that some remark by wifey may have gotten her husband in the hot water.
The moral of the story — kick you wife’s ass out if she is scared of guns! No really, my wife has her own gun, has her own CCW, my son & daughter-in-law and son-in-law all have their CCW’s. My wife is well versed and aware of the crap the cops will pull now a days so that helps. Just continues to prove to me that I don’t need to ever go east of the Mississippi.
I’ve been on the fence for years about whether I’m better or worse off by not having a concealed carry license. This is an indication that my concerns are not without merit.
Get it.
Get it.
It took 2 months of waiting, but I LOVE my Kel-Tec RFB!
Only a fool thinks the national databases of everything about you arent accessible by county mounties. What the hell do you think theyve been spending millions of dollars on these flashy computers in all the cop cars for the last 10 years? With Obamacare and another couple months spent programming the computers these Police State Enforcers will know if that guy has a rash on his sack, how many pills he is taking, when his last marriage counseling session was, as well as how many guns he owns.
Absolutely. Everything we buy on Amazon, CTD, Targetsports, Gunbroker, etc. is accessible. If you’re buying .45ACP ammo online, it’s a de facto gun registry – even if you bought your 1911 unpapered from a private party with cash.
Did you ask them where the MVP Blackout is?
It’s like LEGO’s but with guns… I’m a fan.
Same thought. Same reaction.
This is just a bizarre story… I can’t tell you how mad I’d be if this happened to me. I used to drive through Maryland every now and then on my way to Michigan from Virginia, obeying all the gun laws along the way… I can’t imagine being harassed like this by MD cops.
In Virginia, your CHP is tied to your license plate. Funny, I’ve never had a cop ask me if I was carrying.
They ask me about 50% of the time, and I tell them when they don’t.
Never had an issue with Prince William cops, they’re generally very CCW friendly in my experience.
Because Virginia is a gun-friendly state. So far.
All LEO’s in Texas can see right away whether one holds a Texas concealed handgun license. It’s linked to your driver’s license record. Tx. Dept. of Public Safefy (state troopers) administers both licensing apparatus. Tx. LEO’s can also verify whether an out of state carry license is valid, but that, like out of state warrants, doesn’t just automatically pop up.
I would bet the MD cop just fished to see if the driver had one and Florida told him he did. Or perhaps the FBI told him. After all, they run the NICS on carry licensees monthly.
Let this be a teachable moment: do not talk to the police!
See how they took an honest answer about a perfectly legal issue and turned it against him? They’ll compare what you say with others’ statements, with the physical evidence, and even against your own statements (which is why interrogations last hours and ask the same questions.)
Any mistake, misstep, guess or assumption, or even truthful statement, you make that conflicts with something else is sufficient to jam you up but good. “We can resolve this right now” is jackbooted thug code for “Just confess now so I can shove your butt in a cell, impound your car, strand your wife and children, and still go home on time.”
Florida’s CWFL is part of the FL Dept. of Agriculture and AFAIK isn’t attached to your drivers license in any way shape or form.
Both of these statements are correct.
Jonathan — I agree. Texas LEOs when they run your Driver’s License will see that you have a CHL. BUT, they do not have that linked to your vehicle license plates (unless that has changed recently).
I would still offer my CHL, along with my DL to a LEO even when not carrying because I’d rather have him ask the question right up front and get an answer than to wonder the entire walk back to my vehicle.
I agree. Once stopped, it’s probably best to offer both licenses, as a show of good faith. You can look good while pretending you didn’t know that the officer already knows you’re licensed to carry.
There actually has been a lot of connectivity done lately. License plate is connected to registered owner’s driver’s license, which in turn is connected to Tx carry license. The purpose goes to vehicle thefts, to know whose car this is, but more so to the new “TexasSure” program.
That links databases between the cops, the vehicle registration dept., and the dept. of insurance to know who’s driving uncovered. Links VIN, plate, registration and policy numbers. Gone are the days when someone could print out their own fake insurance I.D. and show it when stopped or renewing registration.
The state grabbing at this kind of authority is a concern, but what’s even worse is that a majority of the population in states like this allow it to happen or outright support it.
I’m on the fence.
I see no use for the stand alone version other than the (uber)cool factor but I approve of the ingenuity and hope they sell bunches.
Question is how does it transfer? AOW I imagine for the attachment ($5 transfer tax), but then might it become a SBS if you attach it to an AR (which would act as a stock).
What about buying it a standalone and then detach it from the stock and to a rifle or SBR. What is it now? NFA is an incredibly stupid law.
I herd rumors that Sean pen had a massive gun collection
Be polite and respectful at all times…
1) I don’t consent to searches.
2) Before I answer any questions, I would like to speak with my attorney.
3) I’d like to leave now, am I free to go?
That belongs in a castle somewhere, or the home of a soon-to-be-divorced man.
A soon-to-be-divorced legless man.
If she had a son, the response would have been cool I found it, it’s mine.
She would have still thrown up but the son would have had a new gun.
Of course the only thing I ever found in a rental car was a roach in NY, on my way to a military base. I would have gladly traded. Heck she could have smoked the roach and mellowed out a bit. By reading her reaction she needs to calm down and I bet she is for leagalizing pot.
Let us say that Mr. Filippidis is telling us the truth …
I think the most likely situation is that the only thing the cop knew was that Mr. Filippidis had a concealed carry license. And if the cop knew that Mr. Filippidis had a concealed carry license, he would assume that Mr. Filippidis had a gun and see if Mr. Filippidis would admit to having it. Of course cops are smart enough not to ask politely. Instead, they just demand, “Tell me where the gun is!” and see if you cave-in and tell them.
I don’t doubt for a microsecond that Homeland Security has a list of every concealed handgun license holder in the U.S. and makes that list available to any police agency which hates the Second Amendment. There is no federal legislation whatsoever that prohibits the feds from keeping a list of who has a concealed handgun carry license. Thus there is no way that Homeland Security is going to pass up on that opportunity.
That is my hypothesis and I am sticking with it.
It’s a reasonable hypothesis. And if the quotes of the wife’s comments to the cop are accurate, and he accepts that sort of thing, then Fillipidis has bigger problems. He better start making his protocols with his gun stone clear to his wife, or stop carrying. If she runs through that kind of BS when a cop comes to the house it could get ugly.
I might have felt like throwing up when I came to the conclusion that returning that object of beauty was the right thing to do. Besides, getting rid of a gun for the rather fetching Mrs. Tannehill is a much more appealing proposition than giving one up for Charlize Theron.
The 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures. False imprisonment – which the long roadside detention amounts to – is a criminal act. The leaking or hacking of Florida’s concealed carry database is also illegal. Mr. Filippidis should contact pro-gun lawyers and sue not only Maryland, but the officers involved. If people don’t stand up to this sort of illegal activity in court the oathbreakers who once swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States will be given a free pass to do whatever they want. Police chiefs should terminate employees like these and police unions should not defend them.
“The Second Amendment Foundation also maintains an Attorney Referral Service. Call 1-800-426-4302 to contact the Second Amendment Foundation if in need of pro-gun rights attorney.” – http://www.saf.org/default.asp?p=mission
Interesting… Someone tell crazy old uncle Joe …. Awww Ph#ck-Em
The issue of micro-stamping will be heard in the Fresno County Superior Court on a date to be announced . Article regarding case appeared in the Fresno Bee ,Wednesday ,January 15,2014
That’s cool and all… but did they say when the MTAR is coming to the U.S.?
I love how the guys who keep designing stuff to add to a rifle keep thinking the rifle is the least important part. Lets add weight to our weapon system. Cause shooting is the least important part. And how are smart phones and tablets suppose to work without cell coverage. Are we going to have to have a portable router being carried in the field now? Or are we going to have Harris come up with a brand new LOS/Sat radio capable of running this. That will only take about a decade. What about running with a Thor, how is that going to work? Who cares, it looks cool . How about teaching people to use a GRG and a GPS? Na, ain’t got the time for that, the E1s and E2s are needed to police call the parking lot for cigarette butts.
Can’t you just duct tape some Hi-points under your glass table, like everyone else?
I can think of a few explanations, none too pretty
1. He had bought a gun as a resident of another state sometime in the past that did have such records…even that I doubt. That sort of instant, detailed sharing is unlikely (ever look at the CA registry…I know under my name there is a pistol…that same pistol is under at least 2 other names)
2. He assumed Florida= gun
3. The guy had a CCW from before 2006, and Maryland had that info.
Okay, I get many of you saying ‘Do not talk to the police.’ but given a situation like this you have an infraction of the law so the police are in the ‘reasonable suspicion’ mindset. Refusal to talk to the police turns into the ‘probable cause’ mindset for the police. What happens next? Please watch the detention and arrest of Leonard Embody in Downtown Nashville from July 2013 as an example of this.
Exercising your 5th Amendment Right does not negate any of the others, including the 4th. Probable Cause does not attach upon exercising the 5th.
A LEO might try to go into that mode as a mindset, but he’s opening himself and his agency up for a Title 1983 lawsuit in Federal Court if he does.
And cops are taught this stuff CONSTANTLY….continuing education, if you will (we had to do monthly training on 4th, 5th and 6th Amendment issues taken from real cases).
Therefore, any cop violating the 4th on the basis of “he wouldn’t answer my questions” KNEW he was violating it; he could not hide behind stupid, lame excuses.
Asking “Do you have a gun?” could meet the reasonable suspicion standards (not probably cause) given by Terry v Ohio, but only if the suspicions were reasonable ARTICULABLE suspicions. Even there, the scope is fairly narrow.
Looks like it should go pew pew pew when you shoot it. I like it.
I’d be interested in just an upper.
Shame this upper wouldn’t fit my Gen2 Recon. Guess I’ll have to make my own…
FTR, Bass do not become pregnant. They become gravid, i.e., heavy with eggs.
I had a lot of fun referring to my wife as “gravid” for about 9 months not too terribly long ago. Got LOTS of confused head tilt blank eye looks from people hahaha. (it does mean the eggs things, but it also simply means “pregnant”)
Gravid is a scientific/clinical term for pregnancy. Has nothing to do with fish…
Gravid = heavy.
That’s its literal Latin meaning. It also includes connotations of fullness, so it’s the perfect adjective to describe the state of being either literally or metaphorically pregnant or literally or metaphorically weighty (e.g., grave, gravity).
Your pedantic word-nerd factoid of the day. 🙂
Getting paid for shooting, after getting paid to shoot.
Not a bad gig.
I shoot American trap and Olympic trap, and my Perazzi MX2000/8 is the best handing gun I have shot to date… as I tried many (Perazzi, Krieghoff, Ceasar Guerini, Beretta, Browning, even Fabarm) – nothing swings and balances like Perazzi, at least for me. That said, this thing is just hideous, reminds me of older K-80s with large lettering on the receiver, and probably just as ugly as that out-of-place blue line on the new Beretta DT-11. I would get used MX8 instead.
OH GOD!!! I want that standalone!!!!
Did you mean the .308 uses pmags? You said m14. Did they have one with sights and a threaded barrel? That is what I want. Something like the gunsight scout.
That’s cool. I really like unique tables and desks that incorporate someone’s hobby, profession or whatever passion of theirs. It’s great to be excited about whatever positive things you’re doing with your life and to want to express it.
Great! Now I have to buy a new 702.
Nice. Hopefully I can add one to my collection when I move out of my current anti-gun location(California).
Cops, spending so much time on people that they really shouldn’t worry about. CCW holders are in the neighborhood of 10x more law abiding? Also, it goes the same for open carry. Someone walking down the street in broad daylight open carrying in a holster or with a slung rifle is probably not someone to worry about. They are just low hanging fruit.
Nick you are WRONG! Not a 9mm upper, 308 + 12 gauge + 45ACP upper + HEAVY METAL!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2_gOpU0eWU
I can already envision a FLEX variant for tubed stocks. The Mossberg FLEX uses a T-shaped spring-loaded locking mechanism whose rotational axis is on a pin that goes down through the center of the connector. That’s great because it allows a solid lock-up while allowing a simple push-on installation for the stock, as the connector provides the anti-rotation and the locking mechanism provides the friction preventing the stock from sliding off. if, however, there was a rotating lockup (similar to a bolt head) the locking mechanism would only have to provide anti-rotational force as the lugs/threads of the rotating connector would provide the anti-sliding friction. (I’m not a physicist, so forgive me any incorrect terminology.) The pin, no longer needing to run through the center of the connector, could be moved to the side. It might add a bit of height and width to the mechanism, but would allow a spring and buffer to run through the middle of the unit without obstruction.
ETA: A stock which has a sufficiently-sized cavity to house a buffer tube could then be used with this type of connector. I’m really not sure what the advantage would be having such a mechanism on an AR platform since it’s already easy to replace a stock on a carbine buffer tube, but other buffer-tube equipped firearms (like auto-loading shotguns) might benefit from this.
ETA: I take that back. I know exactly how this could be used with an AR … But I’ll let your imaginations run wild with how.
Like the variegated gray tones on the rifle itself, makes it disappear against the background. 😉
If it were anyone but tapco…
This might also be a different legal issue with recalls. The submission process would also seem to make a safety issue recall/reconfiguration automatically qualify the new [fixed] version of the gun to be microstamp required, as it is an engineering change.
I don’t blame them.
Awesome…….
There has been a national registry fir devades now. They just dobt admit it or they call it something else. Think NSA or police quotas.
Failing that the didnt need that infirmation to makevthe claim he did. Cops lie and make accusations all the time just trying to get you to offer information.
The correct response to “you have a gun, where is it?” is silence or “am i free to go?”
Awesome rifle.
But I’ve been checking out these reviews from SHOT, but I still have yet to see my new MP40 in .22lr from GSG. Where is that review?!? please?
I have an idea. How about someone design some sort of tray feeding system? Like the Russian DP MG or the American 180.
Two cases? I think you meant two bricks. I’ve seen a bulk brick (525 rds) of plinking ammo exceed $100!
Cool? Is there a reason to run .17 WSuperM over .223, though?
Edit: oh yeah, there are areas that legally restrict some hunting (either always, during certain times of the year, or during night time) to rimfire only. And laws that require less than .22 caliber. So it definitely has a niche for the right person.
In theory, it would be cheaper per box if it catches on. It would be WSuperCool if they could fit 50 rounds of .17 WSuperM in a standard sized magazine.
-D
Under CT’s law, it might be legal, since the updated 1-feature test AW ban only applies to center-fire cartridges. So rimfires are still subject to the old two-feature test.
There’s been one of these sitting on one of the tables at the Orlando Gun Show for as long as I’ve been going to it. I think they’re asking near double the price listed above, if not more.
Kudos to you for The Smiths reference, Joe.
I want this even if it does look like a Preggers Large Mouth Bass. LOL
This would make a great first semi-auto centerfire rifle for me. Want! Badly.
Remember the mantra,
“We are just trying to keep guns out of the wrong hands.”
That’s what you law makers say.
But look what happens. They turn these laws over to thug police to enforce. This gentleman is a law abiding (as proved by his FL CCW) and finds himself in another land where he may be a criminal if he does have a gun with him. So he IS treated like a criminal because he MIGHT have a gun. Maryland in this case was trying to make his hands the wrong ones.
Any way can’t you transpoprt a secured gun through any state so what was their problem, needing to see that it was in a case separate from ammo or what.
“Sensible Gun Ban Laws Make Sense!” Sounds like a campaign jingle to me.
Andy Commie-O for President, 2016
***Sarcasm Warning***
OK, my campaign hasn’t been declared to be sarcasm yet, and I don’t even know if anybody’s considering it a gag or not, but gag works – what the hell, our purpose on the planet is the pursuit of happiness, right? And it’s funner than a rat – I’ve tweeted Sarah Palin asking if she’ll be my veep: http://rich_grise.tripod.com/cgi-bin/Sarah.pl , but I haven’t heard back yet.
And I didn’t ask anybody for permission or nothin’! 😀
What is absurd is The Baltimore Sun hiding behind the 1st Amendment to advance the agenda of tyranny by supporting the Gun Ban Lobby.
Looks like a scene from THEY LIVE. The Bigfoot researchers are going to go nuts over this little thermal imager.
Seeing as I’ve been coveting an Arctic Panther ever since I saw DPMS advertising them all those years ago, I might just bite on these.
Somebody has to defend Hoth after all.
Witty
I’m not a 1911 fanboy, but I did buy a Para GI LTC for the 100th anniversary in 2011. It shoots like a dream and even my dad says it reminds him of his service days (’69-’72) That said, that’s a good looking gun in the post. Can’t read what it is on my phone though, can someone help me out? What make/model/price is that?
Thanks guys.
That takes some serious talent. Insanely awesome table!
Maybe in addition to the weekly caption contest, you can add a weekly joke thread?
Well, to be fair, what do they call it?
If not new, what could they refee to it as?
Improved, not new and improved, just improved!
She walked into the bar with a pair of 44’s. Then she pulled a gun from her purse.
I’ll buy one when they are $379 instead of $3799.
Some of the folks posting should go to youtube and view Bob Munden hitting a balloon at 200 yds with a snubbie and Jerry Miculek doing the same only holding the snubbie upside down and pulling the trigger with his pinky. They both seemed to be using the sights. 😉
I think we can agree that Munden and Miculek are not your average shooters. The snubbie is a close range, “Oh Shit.” weapon for most folks. That’s how I see it. I have better guns for distance use. I have a single j frame hammerless for that close encounter of the ugly kind.
That actually looks more like a Nordenfelt gun than a Gatling.
If that standalone isn’t an SBS, i am buying.
because fuck squirrels.
couple of thoughts. Something attracted the attention of the cop. Must have been the out of state plate. Why not rent a car for such a trip. Also why not publish the name of the officer or officers involved in this incident. It would kinda be like a registry of rogue cops. I don’t fault Mr. or Mrs. F. They didn’t know what they were up against. This country is a shameful place now. Tipping point far off or behind us?
Scenario: I walk out in my driveway and find someone stealing gas, tires, etc. it isn’t legal to use lethal force if you aren’t being attacked and they haven’t entered the domicile. Is it legal to attempt to incapacitate and detain the individual using nonlethal “rubber” rounds? if anyone knows the laws reguarding this (particularly in mt) please reply
NEVER TALK TO COPS! Sure, there might be a good one now and then… But why risk THIS? COPS ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS! Even if it’s your neighbor and friend of many decades, they work for the enemy of all that is good and decent; government. Rights and Common Decency just don’t matter. Shut up, unless you’re feeling lucky…
Good for Lehigh, they had my vote and I know from before they read TTAG. I will be buying some of these rounds this weekend, I will have to recheck but the 300 black was out of stock last time I looked at the website.
Sooo, did y’all find any affordable firearms there? Hmm?
Yup, ugly gun, pretty woman. Better than vice versa.
Camo pattern is optional, but damn well encouraged! This thing is sick, wish I had a caribou hunt or something to take it on.
SHOT 2014: Year of the fancy stuff no one can afford 🙂
In a sport where mental disciple and motor memory is more important than brute strength, do you believe that single sex divisions are necessary or should most classes be co-ed? And in the current gender based divisions, do you find it harder to get the respect you deserve and the sponsorships commiserate with your skills?
Well I don’t care how it looks. It seems to do the job. If it fits and wears well, then its a thumbs up. Doesn’t appear to be overkill. Better than lugging an IBA around from my point of view and experience.
To quote MPA’s own website: “The first and only 300 Win Mag on a true AR platform!”
I know I’m being a buzzkill, please don’t think that I think this is anything less than awesome, even considering the pricetag, but has nobody heard of the Nemo Omen? That rifle came out in 2012. I’m really curious see how the dimensions compare, not that you’ll ever find someone to buy both just to whip out a set of calipers on them.
I really hope that someday it will be possible to build a 300WM or 30-06 AR from parts like you can build an AR-10 now. I’m not confident it will happen, but it would be nice if the demand caught on and companies started producing more affordable caliber-specific components. I figure the biggest hurdle would be the BCG, the receiver halves can be made by existing billet manufacturers, most other components should carry over from the AR-10, a barrel would come from a standard AR-10 blank just chambered differently. You might need a sturdier buffer tube? And a stronger spring, but that’s nothing compared to the rest.
I still think it’s pretty neat you guys present these awards.
By the way. Holy crap Nick, just how tall are you?
Go find the Al Mar booth and get a pic with Gary.
While I look for’ard to seeing Ms. Duff inrint, and am in full agreement with RF about her attributes, what drew my eye in the photo was her firearm.
She must be in need of better home security, because some plonker broke in and stole her barrel.
She also must be a truly amazing shooter, because I freely admit that with something that short, I doubt that I could hit a barn – from the inside.
Meh. I’ll take an M26 MASS. Oh wait… Already have them.
Somehow My Little Pony Was deleted from the Run Offs
Your Lose America!
It seems like a completely unnecessary bill. IMO, concerns over the mentally ill being able to purchase firearms from FFLs are way overblown and are due to the idiotic hysteria surrounding extremely rare mass shootings.
It’s more “IF IT JUST SAVES ONE LIFE” nonsense that’ll end up ****ing over people who have had problems in the past but have their lives together now.
So does this have the mil-dot similar to the leupold spotting scope?
Feh…. well… what would he DO then? Make My Little Pony episodes? Violent movies are some of his companies most successful films!