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The 1986 Plastic Gun Panic

Never let a manufactured crisis go to waste . . .

The leading promoter of the 1986 plastic gun panic was Handgun Control, Inc. In 2001, the group changed its name to the “Brady Campaign,” belatedly realizing that many Americans were skeptical about being controlled. So instead of saying “gun control,” the group now says “gun safety.” An officer of the anti-gun “Million Mom March,” which was later absorbed by the Brady group, explained: “Changing the name from Handgun Control to the Brady Campaign will have a positive effect, especially since this organization is a key player in the fight against the powerful gun lobby. The word ‘control’ suggested that gun safety advocates wanted control over gun rights activists by infringing on their Second Amendment right to bear arms. This couldn’t be farther from the truth.” Karie Stakem, Letter to the Editor, “Gun ‘Control’ Isn’t Our Aim—Just Gun Safety,” Virginian-Pilot & Ledger Star, June 29, 2001, at B10, available at 2001 WLNR 2096578.

The name may have changed, but the principles remain the same. In a 2016 amicus brief supporting the U.S. State Department’s prior restraint against the Defense Distributed company posting gun manufacturing files on the Internet, the Brady brief pointed out: “The UFA was passed in part in response to reports that then Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi was in the process of buying more than 100 plastic handguns that would be difficult for airport security to detect. Jack Anderson, Dale Van Atta, Qaddafi Buying Austrian Plastic Pistols, The Washington Post, Jan 15, 1986.” Brady Center amicus brief, Defense Distributed v. United States Department of State, 2016 WL 704978 (5th Cir. 2016).

Ferguson Shooting Woman Murdered Order of Protection


Woman shot to death in Ferguson had order of protection, said ‘I don’t feel safe’

It’s almost as if those pieces of paper really don’t provide any protection at all . . .

The woman shot to death in a double homicide Saturday morning had gotten an order of protection in May against a man police have called a “person of interest” in her death.

The woman, Jeannie Nicole Miller, obtained the court order to keep Darrick Antione Barber away from her.

Miller and another man, Eric Johnson, 28, were killed Saturday by a gunman who forced his way into a home in the 7500 block of Halpin Drive.

Hawaiian father Second Amendment promise daughter Supreme Court

courtesy and Reuters

Hawaiian Dad Hopes to Keep a Promise to His Late Daughter by Fighting State’s Gun Laws Up to SCOTUS

And he won the latest round. The ball is now in the state’s court . . .

During a conversation with his late daughter, Vietnam War veteran George Young explained the importance of the Second Amendment.

However, his daughter, Tim, was shocked to find out that her father could not carry a handgun in the state of Hawaii.

“I made the promise that they cannot take your Second Amendment away,” Young said in an interview with Reuters. “So to prove it to her, that’s when I started.”

After his daughter died in a car crash in 2004, Young decided to keep his promise and began a journey to fight the state’s gun laws that may end at the Supreme Court.

Joe McDermott Seattle Council King's County


Gun Control Proposal Hopes to Make Gun Stores, Ranges Display THIS Outside Their Businesses

That should put a big dent in Seattle’s crime problem . . .

The Chair of the Kings County Council in Washington state has a gun control proposal he’s pushing for. The proposal takes a three-pronged approach to dealing with “gun violence” in the area but one of the proposals is new.

Joe McDermott (D), the Council Chair, wants to make it mandatory for gun stores and ranges to have safety warning signs outside of their facilities. He detailed his vision in an OpEd in the Seattle Times:

First, I propose that public safety warning signs be posted at any place of firearm sale or discharge in King County, which will articulate the very real and significant risks to health and life inherent with firearm ownership. These signs will also provide immediate contact information for suicide-prevention and mental-health resources for individuals who might be in crisis. Once passed by the Board of Health, signs will be placed at the entrances and purchase counters of every shooting range and store selling guns in King County.

Adelaide girl stabbing father 11 guns


Father of alleged Adelaide school stabber has 11 guns, prosecutor says

Apparently the guns were sufficiently locked away that she used a knife in her attack. And why is bail an option anyway? . . .

An Adelaide court has heard a teenage girl accused of carrying out a school stabbing last week could pose a risk to the public if released on bail, saying her father owned 11 registered firearms.

The Adelaide Youth Court heard the girl had been subjected to threats and bullying during her time in custody.

The 14-year-old — who is seeking release — will be psychiatrically assessed before the magistrate makes a decision.

She is accused of stabbing a 17-year-old student in the back on August 1, inside a bathroom of the North Adelaide school.


  1. avatar Nanashi says:

    Not mentioned in the bit about the UFA at the top: The NRA’s promise it wouldn’t effect actual guns.

    1. avatar John in AK says:

      It’s OK, now. You’re safe here. We won’t let anyone hurt you. Just show us on the doll where the NRA touched you.

      1. avatar Ranger Rick says:

        Be aware that Nan is very sensitive about his “experience”.

      2. avatar Nanashi says:

        Right here:

        We don’t forgive Springfield for their anti-2A move once, why the hell should we forgive the NRA when it is still run by the same person (Wayne LaPierre) who did that and does it much more?

        1. avatar Brian says:

          There’s a reason why I let my NRA membership expire. When Wayne goes I’ll reconsider.

    2. avatar Ad Astra says:

      Yes now would you care to name the model and manufacturers of all those plastic guns that were pulled from the shelves in 1986?

      1. avatar Southern Cross says:

        It can’t have been Glock. The real Glock 7 is either an entrenching tool or a field lantern, depending on sources. Gaston Glock’s first firearm design was the 17, and by weight is half metal. And the frame has enough density and added material to show on a x-ray machine. And ammunition is still metallic.

      2. avatar Nanashi says:

        They gave it an expiration date to convince members it wouldn’t. Naturally Wayne pushed through a renewal the first time the liberator caught press attention.

        1. avatar Ad Astra says:

          So in other words…0.
          What’s that line from Macbeth? Something about all sound and fury signifying nothing.

        2. avatar Nanashi says:

          The Liberator had to include a metal weight purely to comply with the Undetectable Firearms Act.

        3. avatar Ad Astra says:

          And this constitutes some sort of impossible engineering/assembling hurdle? The UFA is a bill of goods the antigun crowd fell for. They were looking to ban actual polymer frame pistols like the glock 17 and they got jack. The biggest rope a dope they fell for until their hubris got them to agree on the sunset date for the clinton awb. But do please continue to wail away with your one note symphony.

  2. avatar Ranger Rick says:

    Council Chairman Joe McDermott needs to add Seattle’s public housing projects to his list of sign postings for the danger of firearms.

    1. avatar Brian says:

      But that’d be racist.

  3. avatar Gov. William J Le Petomane says:

    Perhaps we should just go ahead and have the thumbs of infants surgically removed so they won’t be able to make finger guns and say ‘Pew, pew!’, which is an obvious gateway to guns!

    1. avatar C R says:

      Right, stop it at the source. This evil must end. Actually, just eradicate them entirely not just their thumbs, before they are born. Crap, I sound just like a Democrat.

  4. avatar Brian says:

    Go George Go! Our man in the i-lan!

    1. avatar DDay says:

      The spirit of George Young is fantastic. He’s been fighting this for years in Hawaii and after each loss, he got back to the fight.

      God bless him.

  5. avatar FedUp says:

    “The word ‘control’ suggested that gun safety advocates wanted control over gun rights activists by infringing on their Second Amendment right to bear arms. This couldn’t be farther from closer to the truth.”

    FIFY, Karie.

    National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH) was founded in 1974 and became HCI in 1980. The group’s second president, Nelson Shields, repeatedly said the goal was a complete ban on all handguns. Now the gungrabbers from this group and others claim they want to preserve the 2A while reducing gun violence. Both those claims are outright lies. They’re only interested in controlling innocent citizens.

  6. avatar former water walker says:

    Hey they’re still whining about plastic guns…has anyone figured out how to really make more than a single use plastic gat(or 1986 Glock)?

    1. avatar Red in CO says:

      Pshaw, when has something’s lack of existence ever stopped the antis from whining about it?

  7. avatar AlanInFL says:

    Ok, I will just wait for the Glock 7 ceramic pistol to come out.

    1. avatar C R says:

      I agree. The plastic ones suck. TSA keeps pulling them out of the baggage. What’s up with that?

  8. avatar Jim Bullock says:

    The Chair of the Kings County Council in Washington state has a gun control proposal he’s pushing for.

    First, I propose that public safety warning signs be posted at any place of firearm sale or discharge in King County, which will articulate the very real and significant risks to health and life inherent with firearm ownership.”

    So, just like the ones on the way into King County? I mean, if we’re talking mental health hazards…

    1. avatar Illinois_Minion says:

      “…be posted at any place of firearm sale or discharge in King County,…”
      Place of firearm…discharge

      So perps will have signs on their backs announce the lethality of their threats?? This is so cops can more readily recognize them, right?

  9. avatar ollie says:

    How about a plastic gun made from a polymer that has smokeless powder blended into it.
    As the weapon is fired, it starts to burn and completely self-destructs. Tidily gets rid of the evidence.
    That’s a thought to make some heads spin..

  10. avatar Patrick says:

    Bail is an option because the 8th Amendment. It’s important too.

    1. avatar Ken says:

      Reading comprehension update necessary. Adelaide is in Australia, not the US. They may have an 8th Amendment but I doubt it mirrors ours. 🙂

  11. avatar GS650G says:

    Living in Chicago is a threat to one’s life. They should have signs everywhere that remind people if you’re murdered there is a 1 in 7 chance the killer will be punished..

    1. avatar KBonLI says:

      Funny this morning I heard on the news that gang violence will no longer be acceptable for amnesty requests from S America.
      I was wondering what country people from Chicago and LA could apply to.

  12. avatar m. says:

    Really impressed by n. pees-loosely and the safety afforded by banning “gateway guns”

  13. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    In plastic we trust.

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