“A new law meant to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill has so far stopped 55 attempted handgun sales and caused 65 concealed weapon permits to be revoked, the chief of [South Carolina’s] State Law Enforcement Division said Friday.” The aforementioned officer Keel also told the AP that the new procedure caused SLED to deny 12 applications for concealed weapon permits. This after Keel’s minions entered more than 22,300 names of residents residents “who have been declared mentally ill or involuntarily committed to a mental institution” into the National Instant Criminal Background Check System. A few questions . . .
How many of those were false positives or mistaken entries? How many of those prohibited persons are seeking an appeal? What’s the appeal process? The AP didn’t ask, and Keel’s copacetic. “I think it is a huge success,” Keel said of the law. “It’s doing exactly what the Legislature intended it to do.” Which is: revoking the rights of Americans to exercise their natural, civil and constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms without due process.
Guess who’s paying for it? “A $900,000 grant from the federal government, announced last September, is paying for the new unit’s computers and a staff of seven – six for data entry and one for computer technology.” If Uncle Sam is paying for a gun control measure – any gun control measure – I am deeply suspicious of it. To say the least.
At the risk of evoking Godwin’s Law, need I remind you that the first people the Nazis targeted in their campaign of eugenics were not the Jews but the mentally ill? While nobody wants really crazy people carrying firearms, nobody wants truly crazy people on the streets, either. At the very least people who are prohibited because of mental health issue should get a fair hearing as to their current mental condition before their rights are removed. Permanently.
Thin end of the wedge, camel’s nose under the tent, slippery slope, well-intentioned road to Hell – call it what you will. You’d have to be crazy to not to see this “mental health” campaign as a way that antis can continue their campaign for civilian disarmament, without effecting the crime rate in the slightest.
Every Criminal has his own brand of Crazy.
Every Sane person has his own brand of Crazy.
When mental illness is defined by not seeing one party or one ideals view as correct, would that be acceptable?
When all this stuff started happening my friend brought up mental illness and mental health. I simply asked one question and it stopped his anti-gun rant. “Who deems these people mentally ill?” That got me to think later what qualifies people to be mentally ill and who’s being paid to make the distinction?
“RockOnHellChild says:
February 25, 2014 at 05:35
Right, because everyone loves hearing about what an armchair QB would’ve done on Monday morning.
In America you have the right to act like a tool, doesn’t mean should, you know what I mean, SWAT-Operator-Soldier-Man?”
Clearly. You’ve proven that! 🙂
If you can’t trust someone with a gun how can you trust them to walk the streets? Why doesn’t the government give a $900,000 grant to a mental health program?
More demodouchebaggery. It never ends with them.
One wonders how they stand to look at themselves in the mirror everyday.
It is a short step from “You can’t own a gun, you were involuntarily committed 30 years ago” to “You can’t own a gun, you’re neighbor says you yelled at your dog” to “You can’t own a gun.”
Yes, well put. The gungrabbers want to habituate us to the idea that we don’t have inherent rights, and they will proceed step by step until they can enact a full ban.
Who deems these people to be mentally ill? Why, the Thought Police of course!
George Orwell just got the date wrong.
It is easy for governments to first target those who are under represented or have no lobby group. Hopefully someone sues for their due process.
Yeah he’s serious. The leftwing gun grabbers already think we’re dangerous & insane. Think GUN NUT. Of course I don’t want the truly insane to have guns. One has to be truly naive to not see RF point. Gun confiscation going on in California for the flimsiest reasons as we speak.
Why spend the 900 thou on putting people away that hurt others when you can blow it on political theater. I’m sure that impresses the sheep chief.
I have actually seen the movie referenced above, “Gun Crazy”. It was a brain cell killing event for me, really bad acting, writing, and direction all in one package.
Yeah but, a half naked lady in a corn field? Sorry, it doesn’t need to be any more intellectually stimulating for me.
If the little bastards tried that on me they would most likely be dead. I’ve had people pull a weapon on me and I’ve shot 3 of them over the years. My thought is if you pull a weapon on me I will respond with all the force I have on me. I’d like to see the charged with ADW and assault and terroristic threats. Maybe 10 years in a cell would change their attitudes.
Guys, NJ firearms owners could use your help. Flooding Christie’s mailbox with your wish to veto any legislation passed by Anti-gun Steve Sweeney’s legislature and how his decision weighs on your decision come Presidential election time will help the national movement for Arms rights, as well as help New Jerseyians who are firearms owners. Firearms owners didn’t vote these people into office, but culture, stigma and draconian laws have made firearms owners in NJ dwindle so their political clout is very limited. Legislatures push these measures with impunity. They know Colorado won’t happen to them. Calling Christie fat, or saying NJ deserves these laws doesn’t help anything and it paints 2nd Amendment supporters as children.
Yes, if it saves one good persons life we are not doing it, fixed it for you sweetie. I guess I should be gratefull, its now double super illegal for more than one person to attack a good guy in NJ.
First it was armor piercing bullets, now its armor piercing guns…
Next, it will be large, armor-piercing minorities.
28mm shit 45 acp is still better
I propose to limit the amount of time each person drives daily to 10 minutes. Nobody needs to drive longer than that. And if you do, you’re risking hitting a child. And if we could save just one life, we should do it. This sort of “logic” that Sweeney advocates can be applied to many other daily activities, household items or even OTC drugs which can be inherently risky. Should we impose arbitrary limits on everything? Thanks government, but no thanks. What a hopeless state NJ is.
I think his dismissal/resignation proves a point. That point being that, whatever the media, the anti-gun groups, or the anti-gun politicians are saying to the contrary, there are a larger majority of people who disagree with this point of view. They’ve long called pro-gun people a “vocal minority”. His resignation proves otherwise. If we were truly a minority, then his ratings wouldn’t have been so low.
It also makes it necessary for less open opposition to gun rights from the media and politicians. Coupling his resignation with the recall of the two Colorado politicians last year further proves that pro-gun folk don’t want the 90s back. That we’ve gotten to where we are and what to keep moving forward instead of regressing.
As to which is more important? That’s a hard question. We need the cultural front, because the people CAN have the power, especially if more of them arm themselves. The cultural victories can increase the number of legitimate gun owners, which lessens the effectiveness of unjust laws.
The legal battles are just as important, setting precedent to be used in further debate and overturning unconstitutional laws. Using the judicial branch the way it needs to be used is just as important.
And, arguably, the results at the ballot box are negligible. I haven’t seen many politicians lately that I would even consider casting my vote for, because they’re all liars.
I haven’t lost any sleep.
I don’t know anyone who actually agreed with him, he was more around for shock value. That shock wore off, apparently.
“it also sports a chrome-lined, button-broached 1:7″ barrel instead of one of FNH’s legendary cold hammer-forged barrels.”
So they didn’t include the one thing that would have made this worth getting over something like a Colt or BCM. I really can’t fault them for that though since the TDP calls for a button rifled barrel.
“The FN-15 doesn’t share the M4′s full-auto bolt group”
I can fault them for adding a commercial BCG instead of a FA carrier like their competitors do. I wonder what kind of buffer the carbine has.
Not overly significant but a step in the right direction. Of course if it were a pro gunner getting the boot MDA / MAIG would be taking credit and claiming a huge victory.
Legal battles and ballot box are orders of magnitude more important than a talking head with a personal vendetta. In the end, it doesn’t really matter what a tool like Morgan says, what matters is what can lawfully be done and what it takes to keep it lawful.
It’s ALL important,you need every advantage you can get when you are in a battle for Constitutional RIGHTS. Don’t think for a second he is done or won’t be replaced by someone worse!
Cultural victories are more important because grabbers never go away. Just last night there was some ridiculous huffing and puffing on MSNBC about how terrible it is that children can legally operate a firearm in most states. The excuse for the hyperventilating was that those same states have laws preventing them from operating power tools and buying beer, etc., but a private dealer could still legally sell them a rifle that they could then legally use to hunt with. Mix in some fluff about the NRA wanting 18 year olds (you know, the ones we send to fight in war) to have handgun rights and the resulting miasma reads “gun nuts arming children, stuffing pockets with souls.” It was a sneaky cultural attack on the rural hunting tradition. Such attacks flow from them like a river because they know that is the ground on which this battle is truly fought.
So let me get this straight: She shows up with an illegal handgun to give the cops, says he pointed it at her, and now he’s facing weapons charges – for a firearm that the cops didn’t see him with and can’t prove other than the word of a bitter ex. They did see her with it though…
It would be fanatic to see some American manufactured AKs come to market.
Totalitarian governments always control the media. In the US we have a media who thinks they are working in the best interests of the common, down-trodden people but they have been brain-washed into serving totalitarian / socialist interests. Exacerbating the problem is that many so-called journalists these days are just looking for a new path to celebrity.
The most interesting statistic in the ATF report is the number of guns imported. About 2 million handguns, a lot from places like Brazil. If guns were banned like – I dunno, heroin and cocaine – anyone want to take a wild ass guess how many illegal guns would make it to deep water ports like Bodymore and New Orleans, along with the heroin?
Ans: ALL of them!
Could somebody loan me $600-$1300? And by loan, I mean give. I want an AR platform rifle, but can only buy one gun right now, and couldn’t pass up the Sub 2000 in my LGS
Buy a lower from PSA for $59 and build your AR as you can afford it.
RE: 2013 Northern Rockies Machine Gun and Cannon Shoot
Anyone who says there is no sporting use for a machine gun has never fired one. Dang, but they are fun …
Replace “2nd Amendment” with any of our other natural rights and maybe you may understand the logic and reasoning behind why we are so pasionate about it. These “regulations” make no sense and harm people more than help.
The 2nd Amendment protects and helps guarantee the rest of our freedoms.
I too was never much interested in AR’s or AK’s. Handguns & later shotguns. But thanks to B. Hussein Obama now I want one. Or two. He sure earned his Nobel Peace Prize.
There are a good number of CCW holders at the office, and somehow, perhaps by divine providence, we have managed to avoided dueling in the parking lot to settle our differences. I think the law abiding recipients in IL will be just fine. Not to mention they have so long been denied their basic human right to armed self defense that receiving that magical piece of plastic must feel like winning the lottery. I highly doubt they would risk non judicious handgun usage in fear of losing the rights they waited so long to enjoy.
Maybe Don is in need of a check-up from the neck up, he does not sound rational to me. Has he ever watched TV or movies, they are full of not only guns, but gun violence.
In today’s party-controlled media, factual accuracy is a crime while lies, half truths and propaganda are rewarded.
Yeah he’s a twink…I do hope the POWERS THAT BE let us know who NOT to do business with. Or BOYCOTT. AH…life in Illinois.
Has anybody run both this stuff and CCI’s “Quiet-22” ammo? If so, I would love to hear a comparison between them.
And by proxy, their new law “intended” to help law enforcement with the super-duper-uber crime fighting tool of micro-stamping is actually hindering things since every criminal now switches to revolvers. Presto! No more shell casings at the crime scene! Haven’t these people seen The Wire? A true professional always uses a revolver.
A real professional uses a M1895 Nagant: the revolver that can be suppressed.
There’s never been an effort in the United States, that I know about, of the government to take away citizens’ guns.
Well Winston, just because you don’t know about it doesn’t me it’s not happening.
Man, what’s with these “journalists”. Are they all monosynaptic?
I want a TRR 8, but damn they are expensive. I just bought a GP100 last week and I love this thing! Although finding .357 ammo has been challenging. .38spl has been easy and for some reason +p was cheaper than regular ammo. Maybe this will spur some interesting revolver development until we can free California.
AWESOME PICTORIAL COMPARISON!
5 guns? That’s it? I had that many when I was 14. And I was the poor kid in our circle.
I think in the end you can’t have victories at the ballot box as long as media is slanting the issue one way or the other. The key to a functioning democracy is an informed voting population. Piers was an obstacle to that goal. And seeing him gone was just so, personally rewarding.
In the grand scheme it’s not the end of the war, or even the battle, but it was a nice step forward.
Which just also happened to make me feel good inside, and so little of what I read about gun rights in this country right now does that. This was a welcome change.
I like the sound of a law that prohibits the major media outlets from providing anything but statistics and facts when it comes to changing constitutional rights.
Man, I hope operator goes the way of the zombie soon. The only operator I want to hear about is Lily Tomlin,”One ringy dingy….”
Just need to do a few thousand more tactical presses on my systems then I can move on to rotating out the CR123’s on my night-ops gear in accordance with SOP before doing my final inventory on the BOX. Then I’ll probably change my patches. I’m thinking of going with the black multicam US flag, but I’m kind of feeling INFIDEL tonight.
Just got one of these in 300 win. It’s my first gun. Got a top of range vortex put scope and I Sighted it in at 100 yards within 10 minutes with no previous experience. I love it worth every cent.
What needs to be explained is that forcing people to un holster, handle, unload, and abandon their arms in their cars is far more of a risk than just welcoming them into their businesses with their weapons safely tucked on their person.
I know their goal is to make people leave them at home, or not have access at all, but that was tried and it was deemed unconstitutional.
Being mentally ill is not against the law. If you have not been charged, tried, or convicted of a crime, not declared to be a threat to yourself or others, or force-ably committed to a mental institution, there is no reason you can not own a gun. Due process it the key word and you can’t be punished for something you have not done. Without due process any reason could be used to keep people from owning guns and would be a gun grabber’s paradise.
“Without due process any reason could be used to keep people from owning guns and would be a gun grabber’s paradise.”
That’s their goal, of course.
Amen, Rich, and pass the bullets!