“’I don’t want to be made out to be some tomb raider,’ said Ros, 37 and a single mom of three. ‘I am a woman who would like to have an opportunity to protect herself.'” Carrying gun to Wells Fargo got branch manager fired [at marketwatch.com]
“’I don’t want to be made out to be some tomb raider,’ said Ros, 37 and a single mom of three. ‘I am a woman who would like to have an opportunity to protect herself.'” Carrying gun to Wells Fargo got branch manager fired [at marketwatch.com]
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Perspective from a prosecutor of over 1,000 domestic violence cases:
She tried to get a protection order for her “ex-partner who had already been convicted of stalking another victim.” Ladies, boyfriends with prior felony records are what we in the legal profession call “a Clue”, and you need to get one. As I told my criminal justice classes, ” a female hummingbird has a brain half the size of a pea and they’re STILL smart enough to make the males fight it out so they only mate with the BEST one! Ladies, be at least as smart as a hummingbird!” Someone will probably say I’m “blaming the victim”, but in at least 50%( and closer to 75-80%) of the cases, the victim, bruises, burns, sitches and all, was begging me to drop the charges. Some men are raised to believe they have a right to beat up women. Some women are raised to believe they have a right to get beaten up. Raise your daughters with self respect, independence and a clear sense of boundaries, then arm them and teach them the practical and legal use of firearms.
And to think it used to be required for people to bring their guns to work with Wells Fargo.
At least here, at TTAG, the conversations on the topic tend to be somewhat “normal”, but if you follow the original link to MarketWatch, it seems the commenters there have all succumbed to leftard dumbass disease.
Really?
TTAG is just as wacky and is the other side of the coin.
There are three issues at work with her incident.
One, she HAD to have signed a disclosure agreement with Wells Fargo which explicitly forbade weapons on the premesis as a condition of employment. Like it or not, no right is absolute enough to extend to private commerce between two people -which ultimately is what an employment slot is. I can’t call my boss a fat jerk and expect to keep my job on 1st Amendment grounds. Nor can I sign an NDA, blab about the stuff I’m not supposed to, then say the Constitution gurantees my right to a big mouth.
Two: yes, in an ideal world , bearing arms at work would be a “no big deal” proposition. But , realistically, it always will be so long as companies are headquartered in anti gun economic centers- note that WF is based out of San Fransisco, CA. Most finance oriented businesses are located in NYC, Chicago, LA, or other urban gun-free zones.When HQ in Antigunville says “NO GUNS” , they generally don’t ask the folks in Kentucky how they feel about the rules.
So, it would seem solving the problem isn’t forcing employers to not fire people for being concealed carriers. After all, that just means the hoplophobic staff will just pick a different reason to fire someone-or not name one at all.
Solving this means finding a way to normalize gun rights as a social constant, everywhere- not forcing employers to dodge another set of rules. Example- branch manager sees one of his employees are armed and freaks out. He wants her gone, but can’t use the gun itself as a reason. Oops, she was two minutes late last Wednesday. Terminated for cause-Tardiness.
To truly solve the problem for good, that means kicking down the brick walls of civil disarmament in the economic centers of America. So long as State A criminalizes ccw which is legal in State B, folks will get burned like this.
No…. I believe they said normalize concealed carry and it wont be an issue in the future, because employers won’t ban guns on their property. Until then, if you agreed to work somewhere where guns are NOT allowed, either don’t accept the job or don’t take your gun to work. If you do take your gun to work (which is illegal if it is posted in most states), don’t be suprised/butthurt when you get fired.
I am a woman who would like to have an opportunity to protect herself.’”
Very simple but strong statement. Her wanting not to be a victim by using the tool. That to me is true woman empowerment. If you work for any bank they should let you conceal carry.
Isnt she essentially the go-to example for “common sense” restrictive places? In those last bastions of “may issue” madness being in business around large sums of money was like the only way for you to get a permit.
So we have a young woman working around large sums of money. Throw in a long poorly lighted walk to her car and it’s the absolute perfect exception for just about every carry prohibitionist save the most radical.
And it’s not good enough for Wells Fargo.
It’s as if Wells would rather she be robbed, beaten or worse. Good to know Wells Fargo supports the victimization of women.
Good to know Wells Fargo supports the victimization of women.
Having a wife that worked for a couple of different banks, I can say without a doubt that they all do.
“It’s as if Wells would rather she be robbed, beaten or worse.”
I don’t see how it can see construed in any other reasonable manner. The bank would take up a collection for flowers for her funeral, though. As many as her fellow employees would want to pay for.
Called 911 in Jefferson Co. AL(Birmingham) two Saturdays ago to report a shattered car window as I drove. B/C that County has NINE 911 centers (they cannot get together and cooperate), I was passed to THREE different 911 centers before the third accepted me as in their jurisdiction. Good thing no one was bleeding to death or kicking in my door. It took 5 minutes to get someone to let them know that they might just have a shooter targeting cars on that stretch of the outerbelt.(Most likely just a rock thrown by a passing truck, but….)
Lesson: local politics can render 911 ineffective. Be prepared Scouts!
Sadly, my employer makes the entire company sign a “no guns allowed at work or parking lot agreement” — meaning, I cannot carry or keep it in the car either. I guess to their benefit, they actively patrol the parking lot and after 6pm if you are still working in the building, you can have a guard drive you to your car.
Your state does not have a law protecting the right to keep guns in cars, even on private property?
Where’s the ACLU?
1) She is very hot. And a MILF. Very nice
2) She will find another job quickly
3) Employers who ban employees from being able to protect themselves should have absolute liability for injuries suffered at work as a result. No workers comp limits and the damages awarded should be trebled. Problem will solve itself
She may not be Lara Croft, but I like the Sandra Bullock thing she’s working.
Perfect drooling example of why the 9MM is NOT effective.
Now why would this bank manager want to be armed at work as well as going to and from work? Criminals never rob banks. And they certainly never coerce bank employees into helping them rob banks. Oh, wait …
And women are never attacked walking to/from their car at work…
Her point is extremely poignant. She’s a target. Period. She wants to reduce that risk. Good on her.
And thus we see the real underbelly of all grabbers (political, legal and private citizens). They either deny the threats exist or deny that one individual life is worth fighting for. Or both.
You gentlemen are welcome to join us in Wisconsin anytime:
http://www.boone-crockett.org/bgrecords/records_whitetail.asp?area=bgrecords
I hope she has skeletons in her YEE closet
Anyone else notice (in the original article) the pic of the gun? Is that HK the one she carries? So we’re not talking about someone who carries a Jennings or something? Someone who probably cares about the quality of her protection? Nice!
Without infringement…they doesn’t have it.
Welcome to Illinois. I’ll continue to carry a pepper blaster & a knife for now.
So it seems concealed carry is forbidden everywhere one would likely need it.
@water walker: aren’t most knives illegal there also?
Especially in chicagostan
Mossberg 500 18.5″ cyl bore barrel, bead sights, wood furniture, 5 round capacity. Sits in a horizontal cradle attached to the side of my bed frame. Loaded with Remington Express Buckshot 2 3/4″ 16 pellet #1 shot.
Nothing fancy. God forbid that I ever face the scenario that ends with me shooting a home invader, but if I do, I want it to be an effective shot. And, living in Philadelphia, I need the firearm to not look “scary” for the inevitable legal after-effects.
I have AR-15s and semi-auto shotguns and a CZ-75 and all manner of Magpul/EOTech/Aimpoint/Four-Sevens Lights/expensive accessories, but my bedside has been attended by traditional 12 gauge shotguns and old S&W .357 revolvers for years. I guess I just feel more comfortable with those sitting loaded for weeks on end in “standby” mode than box magazine-fed semi-autos.
True story… a security guard at my work carries a 1911. I asked him about how reliable it is with the hollow points he carries. His answer: “It’s okay, it jams sometimes, but that’s why I carry it cocked and locked, I know the first one will fire.”
This is typical 1911 koolaid. Your duty weapon has known reliability issues and you carry it anyway because its a 1911.
No other gun in the world could have a reputation like this and be considered good. If brand X gun came out with all the issues of the 1911 design they would be bankrupt quick.
Only an idiot would write these posts. Why is the second amendment the only right you need a permit to exercise? We should have those who speak against a constitutional right require permits to spout their ignorance. Fact: gun ownership is a right. Fact: Connecticut gun owners who refuse to comply with an illegal law are patriots, not outlaws.
Property rights are important too. Even though I’m a 2A supporter in every way, she certainly has the freedom to either go work someplace else or not bring her gun to work. She made a choice and paid the consequences. Let’s respect private property AND not bring stupid lawsuits when our own ignorance causes an issue. I’m a little surprised the courts even heard this.
p.s. Not guilty AND carries an HK? Bonus!
Respect private property? They don’t respect the lives of their employees.. how’s about some quid pro quo? Private property is not supposed to be king. JUSTICE is supposed to be king.
Maybe as gun rights are normalized in the public eye, big behemoth corporations like Wells Fargo will voluntarily accommodate employees who chose to responsible carry. Like at least offering secure lockers or gun safes on premises, etc. Not a big fan of legislation forcing business to accommodate special interests, but if the ADA makes business have handicap parking and wheelchair ramps, gun owners could demand some similar legislation.
I wonder which Chicago gang she is legislating job security for.
Pro RKBA people should vote with their U Hauls and move out of slave states, leave them to the gangbangers and libtard Democrats. Lost causes.
Every bank employee should be armed.
And bank robbers should know it.
It is always darkest before the dawn.
Law abiding, responsible gun owners = Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness…
Lying, conniving anti-gun zealots = hamsters…
I’m pretty sure that’s an insult to hamsters. I had several when I was a lad and they were by and large a live-and-let-live bunch. Except for the one that bit me. He was a real dink.
“It’s time for Congress to protect women from gun violence.”
This is the ideological fallacy right here. Congress can no more protect women from violence than it can make the sky blue.
Congress is not a deity. It does not have special powers. This is the true problem. These people want the State to be God, Father, Mother, Boss, Lawgiver, Judge, Jury, Executioner, etc. when it fact it can be none of those things…
Having worked in the commercial banking industry for about 40 years, I can testify that banking has the dumbest, most incompetent, most hide-bound, short-sighted, limp wristed, heads-up-asses upper and (especially) middle management of any industry. Seriously, most people would be shocked by how utterly inept these people are. They attend their sensitivity and diversity seminars, make sure they give to United Way and spend time “giving back to the community”, never taking a career risk and keeping a low profile until they have their 20 years in.
And Wells Fargo is considered to have some of the best management, so you can imagine what the others must be like….
I’ve had many pro vs anti discussions and found that once you get the logic out and punch past the emotional “guns are bad” point the anti usually resorts to name calling and or cursing. On one occasion i got up and walked away while the person was ranting on and on. When I ask if there is any guarantee that the “criminals” wont get guns just like they shouldn’t be able to get illegal drugs. They drop down to schoolyard antics.
Because the Liberal left has one and one play: You are a nasty , worthless human being because of your views. Period.
A page of typewritten Bullshit (much ado about nothing) like most liberal posts instead of really taking a stand or risking offending anyone we are simply bored to death by words. Since I like to hunt, fish and camp I have been lambasted and de-friended on Facebook by several people because of my hobbies. If your opinion differs from theirs you are somehow stupid, insensitive and a lower life form. Do not these attacks constitute a hate-crime or an attempt at bullying? Best Buy a company who has quite simply lies, screws over the customer and fails to live up to their advertising policies has a Facebook page telling us how great they are and post ads for all they products and specials. Many of the people shopping their are 18 and under, is Facebook going to protect them? I’m thinking anyone who supports the 2nd amendment and posts same on Facebook days are numbered as your free speech will be slowly be throttled.
Andrew Breitbart confronts angry protestors with signs that say “STOP THE HATE!!”
Watch as he does nothing wrong, just calmly asks questions and then gives them the room to expose themselves for the haters they are.
Brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWlqiv-YL7c
Just feeding the addiction!
Oh noes, I have to hold a moderately weighty rifle for relatively brief periods of time during all these totally awesome shooting competitions that I love going to, whatever shall I do? I’d better choose a slightly lighter but also awesome rifle instead. I envy your problems, I really do.
Did the SCAR make you better or did you get better? I’d be curious to see how you do now using the PWS.
Have a Facebook account. Never use it, have never posted on it, no photos. Don’t need to “share” my world with just anybody/everybody. Visit TTAG most days, sometime multiple times a day. Interesting stuff.
The shrill voices represented in this comment stream do not care about persuasion, they just enjoy yelling at their opponents. They have no concern about those “listening n” who can be persuaded. They evidence an inability to understand these realities.
Give Leland Yee a piece of the cut. Problem solved
People need to google the right of citizens to resist false arrest. If you have done nothing wrong and a cop tries to arrest you it use force to make an arrest, you have the right to resist and even kill the cop. This has been rule on in several states many times over by the US Supreme Court.
He should have told the DA to shove those minie balls up his ass, but anybody who wants to live in Crazytown DC is kind of asking for it.
Welcome to DC where the laws are made up and your rights dont matter
This image sums it up:
http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0048/6m7ko47810.jpg
Man, you sure zing’d the hell outta me.
No, wait…
Yes, I do mean aside from those. The people on this site – the site you’re commenting on- have mostly replied that they’re not interested. As I said, they may simply be the more vocal group of consumers in this case, but the ones who spoke were almost unanimous. TTAG wrote an article trying to draw readers from one site into a new area, and those users didn’t bite. Big deal.
As an aside, you should understand that Facebook follows and likes don’t mean much of anything; it’s why Facebook has had a hard time showing any kind of value aside from ad revenue and app sales. It turns out that someone clicking a button isn’t a strong enough indicator of their tendencies to be that valuable to most companies, and when you can buy blocks of followers or likes from marketing companies to boost your results, it diminishes their value even more.
So now you’ve made me wonder- why are you defending FB like someone insulted your mother?
Did he really think he could get away with gun running in BATF territory? Don’t moderate me bro.
I think this person is very confused about most conservative gun owners. Why do they think we spend so much time talking to the leftist non-gun owners, and trying to make them understand OUR positions on guns. I would have less problems with leftists if they didn’t attack the second amendment in EVERY PLACE THEY GET IN POWER!
Leftist gun owners are our friends, but they can’t vote for anti-gun leftists. We know there are leftist gun owners. We refer to their blogs(I think TTAG has even done so on a few occasions). We point to them and say “SEE THIS is why YOU need to arm yourself.” We WANT the GLBTQ community to understand that the gun is a great equalizer. We want people of ALL persuasions(political or otherwise) to understand the benefits of having firearms. They don’t like the NRA because the NRA doesn’t support their interests? Maybe because they don’t feel that the other stuff is necessary for the second amendment. And how are you going to affect change without taking part in the process?
UGH these “THE NRA Doesn’t love ME” types tick me off. “They don’t bend to my will, even though I have never been a member, and never gave them money.”
Attempting to possess ammo? How does that work?
The 1st amendment is the much more important than the 2nd. You can’t have a free society and free politics without the 1st. If you really believe the 2nd is what keeps you free then you’re living in an American Taliban fantasy land.
Not so much the case. The Second was put there to protect the First, Third, Fourth and so on.
The other nine do NOT reenforce the Second in the same way that the Second reenforces the remaining nine. If you read them it’s obvious. If any is more valuable than the rest, it’s the Second.
It’s a commonly made argument, but there seems to be precious few real-world examples of 2A being used to protect other rights, even in US which is supposedly the hotbed of the movement.
The problem, unfortunately, is that 2A does nothing to allow you to stand up against the state alone. In conjunction with other people, yes, but by the time they take away your 1A rights, you won’t even know there are other people there. So when they come to take your guns away, it will be a glorious but futile solo last stand. We need 1A just as much if not more, because it lets people know that there are other dissenting opinions, and organize. And, as history shows, when it’s really a time for rebellion, people will find ways to procure the tools (case in point: Ukraine – didn’t have anything like 2A, but when push came to shove people “acquired” what they needed from the local police stations and army bases, in quite a few cases with a *wink wink nudge nudge look the other way* cooperation from the latter).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
There’s an example for ya.
The problem is so many of our rights have already been given away.
As much as I sometimes rail against the rightist leanings often found here, I have to agree that gun owners are more tolerant than antis.
As proof, I haven’t been banned for here for speaking my mind about politics, but have been banned from Daily Kos for stating that data is not the plural of anecdote and that a weekly list of people killed by guns posted as evidence that the 2nd amendment needs to go is propaganda.
It’s no secret that freedom of speech is treated as more absolute by the right than it is by the left. “Hate speech” is not a right-wing invention, after all.
So, yes. On most conservative forums, they’ll eventually tell you that you’re subhuman communist scum that murders babies, but they will still let you reply to that 🙂
There is something to be said for that.
Fair enough evaluation of the abuse that a recycled M9 has to go through and the miserable condition the latest poor schmuck has to deal with.
My question is which hand gun by which manufacturer would be any different under these same conditions?
What is this? A mother jones convention? When you see people like this, know you are looking at the enemy of the Constitution and the Republic.
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