TTAG reader Curtis P. Newport writes:
The ink is barely dry on the Illinois concealed carry law, which makes it a Class B misdemeanor (up to $150 fine & 6 months in jail) for carrying into any of the twenty or so “prohibited areas.” [Click here to read HB3669 in its current form.] A bill introduced by State Rep. Deborah Conroy would make carrying onto a prohibited area a felony. Slip up once, someone sees the gun print under your shirt and calls the cops. If convicted, you’ll never be able to own a firearm as long as you live. [Click here to read the bill.] Current prohibited areas include . . .
Schools
Preschools and daycare facilities
State government buildings
Local government buildings
Courthouses
Jails and juvenile detention facilities
Hospitals
Nursing homes
Public transportation facilities
Bars/taverns (50% gross receipts from alcohol)
Public gatherings/special events
Playgrounds
Parks
Athletic facilities
Colleges and universities (public or private)
Stadiums/arenas
Libraries
Airports
Amusement parks
Zoos
Museums
Nuclear energy facilities (federal law)
Post Offices (federal law)
Private property displaying a 4×6 “no guns” sign
18.5 inch Mossberg 590A1 with S&J hardware 2 shot extension and a TLR1 light 7 shots of Hornady Critical defense 00 Buckshot. Any thing less would be uncivilized.
What seriously irks me is that he walked out of jail on bail yesterday before the sun even had time to set. How many of us regular folk would have even gotten bail if we were charged with this shit?
Bummer for her.
Their property, their rules.
Simple as that.
… says the always genuflecting sycophant.
So here is the shopping list of locations for the next wack-job who wants to commit the next atrocity in Illinois:
Schools
Preschools and daycare facilities
State government buildings
Local government buildings
Courthouses
Jails and juvenile detention facilities
Hospitals
Nursing homes
Public transportation facilities
Bars/taverns (50% gross receipts from alcohol)
Public gatherings/special events
Playgrounds
Parks
Athletic facilities
Colleges and universities (public or private)
Stadiums/arenas
Libraries
Airports
Amusement parks
Zoos
Museums
Nuclear energy facilities (federal law)
Post Offices (federal law)
Private property displaying a 4×6 “no guns” sign
These feel-good folks will just never get it.
Many of these are places where children are likely to be present. It’s astounding that gun prohibitionists look at the harm that has been caused to children in gun-free zones and conclude that the solution is more gun-free zones. They still blame lawful concealed carriers for crimes that have nothing to do with lawful concealed carry. It just defies logic.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the nuclear energy power plants. They typically have a pretty well trained armed security force and high security entrances (probably better than Navy facilities if recent events are any indicator).
I would say time to get a new bank but I don’t think any of the others are any different
There are many industries, certainly some that are gun neutral or gun friendly, who could benefit from Ros’ banking experience and expertise. Maybe this is an opportunity for her to expand her resume.
It’s certainly time to START a new bank where everyone can carry.
And not only a new bank. Lots of new companies should be started.
There should be at least one major, freedom-friendly enterprise in every American industry.
(Not that federal and state regs make any of this easy….)
So what I am getting from this is that your Illinois CHL allows you to carry… pretty much nowhere.
This is just what they do. When the court tells them they can’t have a law restricting X they pass a law that restricts (X-.00001) and the whole thing starts again. Here it puts the courts in an uncomfortable position as there have always been special areas where it is illegal to bring a gun; but here we have a great example of how that ‘special places’ idea can be used to mean everywhere except your house.
Ros is ‘hot’ – in a very nice way – and I’m sure could give the real Angelina a run for the money at tomb raiding any ‘ol time.
Raiding tombs would certainly be more enticing and fun than…’banking’.
The Illinois State Rifle Association currently lists on their web site five bills other than this one that have been introduced that would negatively affect Illinois CC licensees. Here’s their web site:
http://isra.org/
It’s hard for me to know whether any of this will get any traction or if the Chicago libs are just showing off for the folks in their districts. Our CC law was created under order of the Federal Courts and passed last year with fairly broad bipartisan support. The majority of legislators really don’t want to mess with it.
Eff that! I will carry wherever the hell I feel like it. Well, except jails, I don’t think I’d even consider that.
To answer a previous question, Wells Fargo armored truck drivers and guards are armed. I used to work for Dunbar Armored, and we were armed as well. After I was hired, the Dunbar guys wanted to wait until I had some undisclosed “training” before carrying, but I wouldn’t go out of the station until I was packing heat. I told them that I had all the training I needed from the Marine Corps in order to carry responsibly. I would gladly accept future training, but would find another job if they expected me to drive around millions of dollars in cash without a loaded gun. When we finally got range training – about 13 months later – I found that most of the guards couldn’t shoot for a bill of beans. Private companies do stupid things, and have ridiculous policies just like government agencies.
With her looks I’m a little surprised that she wasn’t able to get a work around of the CCW / No guns policy. I think Wells Fargo has a ridiculous policy, and that they should own liability for injuries to their employees who no longer have carry rights on private property. If I was a bank robber, unarmed tellers and the 75 year old security guard would be easy pickings.
I’m curious what more there is to the story. If CC is done properly, people shouldn’t know about your gun in the first place. Therefore a violation of company policy should have limited legal effect (probably a trespassing in most states).
Who rides the bus?
Who goes to parks and playgrounds with your kids.
Alot of poor people.
Good way to keep black peple from protecting themselves and with a felony, get them off to jail.
Not a problem anyway because of the cost of a CCW in the first place, they can’t carry anywhere.
Not to worry, playgrounds in Illinois are perfectly safe:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/03/26/illinois-toddler-injured-by-razor-blades-glued-to-playground-equipment/
Certainly no one wouldn’t need to carry there. I’m sure this nutcase was just playing a prank and would never return with the intent of harming children. /sarc
After they rob you for the license fee and 16 hours of instruction, then they publish a list that prohibits almost everywhere! I am a 74 year old female. I own a handgun. I will not be mugged in a parking lot AFTER I get into my car. Any attempt will be in the lot. You stinking politicians with your bodyguards and money-hungry attitudes, need to be replaced. The Constitution states “shall not be infringed”. This is infringement of the worst kind.
The camel’s nose can go under the tent from both sides.
Getting CCW in Illinois was a long-difficult process that included a bunch of political sausage such as the list above. In the next session of their legislature, look for the downstaters to push for removal of many of these prohibited area and a general downgrading of the offense/punishment. They might start by getting some Second City representatives to agree to remove Public Transportation Facilities from the list.
The situation now is better than it was prior to now. Look for it to get better.
Everyone of those prohibited places is absolutely an infringement and should be immediately removed by the legislature, ignored by the sworn officers, and thrown out by the courts. It is not changing fast enough or far enough, but it is improving.
AWESOME…just awesome…:)
Did anyone actually read her bill?
Nevermind. Two bills. My bad.
Let’s be honest here. One can easily find plenty of hate in the comments posted here on TTAG toward the anti-crowd. In fact the venom here is so intense at times it devolves into psychotic rage.
So we can take note of the hate on the other side, but let’s also be willing to call out our own when they embrace the same gutter- rhetoric.
Blah Blah Blah waaaah
As it stands Wells Fargo is in the right to fire her however I wish a good leader would change things. Right now my wife works 3rd shift at a pharmacy that also has a policy of “get raped and killed like a good girl if the situation arises” and furthermore they leave the store in the hands of her and a 70ish year old female running the cash register.
Furthermore one night someone came in and jumped the counter and took a bunch of items and the store manager had the gall to ask, “Why didn’t you try and stop the large man from taking the items?”
My wife carries, she gets attacked she will lose her job and probably not collect unemployment which sucks but better to be intact and alive and not working than the other option.
Our leader has no problem forcing business to accept and do things they don’t want to do like make them offer medical things against THEIR beliefs such as the morning after pill, it would be nice to see a counter to that where an employee has to the right to protect themselves especially when they are a high target. Pharmacies have two things money and DRUGS….and they get knocked over all the time. Hey maybe we will find the CEOs of these companies who are against self defense also are getting kick backs and bribes.
good write up! sad but true that these groups resort to tactics favored by hate groups.
They are a hate group, as are all groups created by the Liberal Left to rob us of our rights.
Saul Alinksy’s _Rules for Radicals_ is their bible and it spells out how to implement their hate on a point by point basis.
Any one of us who does not understand the war at this point really needs to come up to speed, fast.
Ok, so this kid who was 24-25 years old then is telling us how he “fell in love with” this pistol “oh so many years ago”? “YEARS of heavy wear”? “The things last forever”? And how many armorer’s courses have you graduated from? Other than being a “gun nerd” what are your qualifications, and justification for obviously having had guns as a teenager or tween?
And I love the statement: “That removes the need to replace the pins holding the bolt together every couple hundred thousand rounds.” Ok, so once every couple years, or if EVER for a normal human being, you MIGHT have to replace a PIN? Yup, GREAT advantage.
Lost all credibility with me…and does he REALLY have a 3D scanner to keep “inventory” of all the guns in his safe? How many of his pistols have that P226 Navy barcode? And he puts a light and a 30 round magazine on his pistol…then gripes about how the trigger cutouts could be a weight saving factor?
Sorry, Nick. Stick to “modern warfare”, “blackops” and “world of warcraft” with your other friends. You need a bit more credibility if you’re going to post this kind of stuff. Go work for Guns ‘n Ammo for a few years then come back. I’ve been in the military for 24 years and I still wouldn’t consider myself experienced enough to post this stuff.
I’d raid her tomb.
I have only once in the last three years been able to enter and leave a gun control debate where my opponent remained as polite and cordial as I was towards them.
More often than not I am interrupted, yelled at, told to think about feelings as opposed to facts, etc. I am told I am closed minded when I’m the only one listening.
It’s absurd the amount of hate and disrespect that these people, supposedly out for the common good, show to their fellow man.
My father always said to me growing up, “The empty barrel makes the most sound.”
Of course they’re getting nastier and more desperate…
It’s called “escape extinction” and it’s a law that governors behavior.
For instance, if a child’s inappropriate behavior was suddenly ignored by the parent, who before engaged the child’s bad behavior (ie giving the child attention), the child may initially increase the rate or volume of inappropriate behavior, as to not lose the attention.
The child’s increase in bad behavior can be thought of as “trying harder” to get the parent’s attention, or lashing out. The attention is the overall goal, the bad behavior is the means to achieve that goal. The child wants to regain the attention of the parent because it is desirable to the child.
Now, if the parent’s attention is consistently withheld, then the child’s inappropriate behavior will eventually decrease. But, you will get a large spike in bad behavior initially because the child doesn’t want the parent’s attention to “go away.”
This is what the anti folks are doing. They feel as though they are losing the attention of the nation because gun control did not gain the traction they had hoped…
So, to escape extinction (ie, not lose the attention of the nation) they’re increasing the rate and intensity of attention getting behavior.
Therefore, we just need to keep ignoring the bad behavior, meaning do not engaging them and continue to stopping further gun control attempts.
If we let them think they have a chance at more gun control, or give them the attention they so desperately seek, then it will only get worse and the nasty behavior will increase even more.
Behavior is lawful, ladies and gentlemen.
It also has a real lot to do with the fact that Liberals have tiny under developed amgydala (a part of the brain) and it is easily over stimulated/over loaded.
Hijacking a Liberal’s amygdala is quite easy, once you learn how to do it. The fact that they get more pissed faster these days is a testatment at how much better we are getting at stimulating them and creating a hijack.
I want to buy a Springfield 1911 45 with the spur hammer can i use the slide from the 1911-A1 Ranger Officer with the Skeletonized hammer will it work? Thanks
It really boils down to can you control your emotions. For almost all antis, the answer is not in the slightest. For our pro side, we do a better job, but could be way better as well.
For the antis – emotion rules them. They have little to no control. They don’t like guns so they lash out at anyone that would not hold the same view. It is all emotion, no linear thought, and there are trending more so that way so expect it to only get more vicious and perhaps physical if they boil over.
For pros – perfectly honest, I sometimes cringe when I see “what part of shall not be infringed do you not understand” or “shall not be infringed”. Put yourself in the shoes of a neutral person who has not put much thought into the issue of gun rights. You need to explain WHY the founders put that amendment in, why it is still important today. It’s easy to find government abuse of power today. Let’s use it to show why the right shall not be infringed. Same thing with the this is what happens to a disarmed population posted on this very site. I grow as frustrated as anyone, but this is about winning hearts and minds. Protection and safety are very personal, close to heart issues. Marrying the logic of using the most effective tool to that desire for protection does both.
Can’t get it there way, so what do they do, make it hard for people to actually conceal carry in public. Yet these are the people who say they respect the second amendment.
i ht afghanis
Anybody else completely sick and tired of “Mr. Giffords”?
Neither, though I’m sure both are nice guns and I bet that 14.5″ barrel is super handy on the PWS (I quite like the JP GMR’s handiness in that configuration) on the close stuff.
I’d choose JP15 with the low mass system 18″ barrel and adjustable, rifle length gas system. ‘Cause that’s what I did choose. It’s my opinion that the piston systems aren’t needed on a game gun. Mine gets cleaned before matches, but left dirty between practices.
Another really fun feature of this un-SAFE law is that police officers – state. local. and fed – will get to find out what it is like to be one of the peasantry as soon as they retire! Their prior immunity from the disarmament provisions will begin to erode as soon as they get their retirement party. Wonder how they will enjoy that?
Or do all NY cops retire to Florida? I know a huge number of California cops retire to Nevada and Idaho, to escape the taxation and gun laws that they helped to enforce in the PRCa. A certain amount of irony, there.
Hey Mom, my stepson just ran a staple through his finger while stapling his papers together for college. Perhaps we should have a 3-day waiting period, training classes, better guards or perhaps “safe staples” That stapler was purchased from staples I’m going to return the thing as being unsafe and a hazard, present then the bill for the band-aids, cleaner and time. I will never shop again at a store which supplied such dangerous item for use by irresponsible college students.
FYI the staple injury is true, I am however going to check with Staples and find out if they support this this organization I will boycott them.
she’s prettier then laura croft
I hope her disorderly conduct arrest was for protesting something…
That I can respect.
It makes me laugh how when something available on Facebook is promoted it generates a rash of “I do not use Facebook” remark.
A woman is raped at 18, she is emotionally devastated, her parents think temporary, intensive therapy is warranted. She is checked into a recovery center (Mental hospital)
She graduates from college years later and because of the earlier criminal assault, she wants the security of a hand gun.
Oh oh.
Ed Green just doesn’t get it. The principle purpose of the ATF these days is to prevent as many people as possible from exercising their right to keep and bear arms–and any excuse is good enough, as demonstrated by their recent history of prosecutions and raids. If the ATF is successful, anyone attending a clinic/out patient program for ANY addiction or ANY mental health issue, voluntarily or involuntarily, will be banned. Bulimia? Banned. Alcoholism? Banned. Drug detox? Banned. Voluntary psychotherapy for depression? Banned. His excellent letter is therefore slated for the round file.
The principle purpose of the ATF
these daysis to prevent as many people as possible from exercising their right to keep and bear armsFixed.
This is what happens when the ability to turn a profit is not a factor in decision making.
+1000 MothaLova.
Under the laws of my country I cannot possibly contemplate using a firearm for self defense, even in the most extreme case. However, if I was concerned about noises indicating a break in, I would go to the door with a hammer behind my back. If the danger looked too great for that, I would proceed in a leisurely fashion to my firearms safe, slowly unlock the main compartment and retrieve my Maverick 88 18.5′ barrel with Limbsaver, and after further consideration unlock my ammunition compartment, fumble past the various rifle bolts and ammunition, to the back where the birdshot cartridges live. Eventually I would get to the point where I could insert some of these cartridges into the Maverick 88.
Hopefully by this stage the burglars would have either died of old age, or realised I didn’t actually have anything worth stealing, and left. I have a 28″ barrel for sporting purposes.
The bottom line is that any restriction set by the government to keep firearms out of the hands of crazy people / criminals will not work. It’s way to easy to get them through other than legal means.
Unbelievable! I hope he wins on appeal and moves out to the next state (Virginia).
Ridiculous.
That said, I don’t know why anyone would choose to live in that shathole………and I’m saying that as someone that worked on the Hill for 8 years.
“Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg said he was shocked and sickened that Lee got caught, saying Sen. Leland Yee has until Friday to resign from office or face certain suspension.”
Fixed it for you.
Liberals feel ostracized as gun owners, I can understand that, because they kind of are…
However, the left does comprise the bulk of the poo pooing on the 2nd A. There are right learning folks doing some of the poo pooing, no doubt, but there is no arguing that the left holds the lion’s share.
So, if liberal gun owners feel ostracized within the gun community and want to change things. They should not focus on right leaning gun owner holding a grudge, but on the left learning gun haters. They are the ones giving liberal gun owners a bad name.
Just my 2 cents as an independent looking at both sides from the middle.
Sounds like the rocket went boom just from bein old, after all, ordain ace doesn’t respond well to being left out in the elements for extended periods of time. The thing with a lot of eastern bloc countries equipment is that it’s typically a knock off Russian gear, or is Russian gear. Old Russian explosives are known to be a tad bit touchy.
A store in North Raleigh, Glockwerks I think, no longer in business, The owner insisted that the only gun to carry was a 1911 in 45ACP and that anyone that carried anything else did not know what they were doing. Now I know We all have our preferences and favorites but this guy was crazy and rude. Nice collection of old guns though.
Several years ago a guy in EDs in Vass NC insisted that US Stealth fighters were used in the Falkland War in 1982 and that Argentina sunk all three of the British aircraft carriers!!!!!
Remember we all have preferences with calibers and manufactures and nobody knows everything. Ask your friends which is the best handgun caliber.
Gun shops sell guns, but don’t expect an employee to know everything. Dicks sells sporting good, sometimes the employees are knowledgeable, some are not. Certainly don’t expect the girl working the gun counter at Wally World to know the difference between a Colt and Sig AR
They aren’t worried about the corrupt politicians in their ranks, or the innocents that could have been killed because of his actions…. they are only worried about their agendas…. It’s almost like they have no conscious at all…. like they are sociopaths or something..