Florida’s #GUNVOTE Looms Large in the Sunshine State’s Senate Race

1. In Florida, you have anti gun, and anti gun lite. With Ron DeSantis and a few exceptions respecting the 2nd amendment. The gun laws here are awful. Not California or NY awful, but pretty damn bad.

   • So aside from open carry not being much of a thing how bad is Florida?

     • Republicans like former Governor, now senator Rick Scott and his repub buddies like Wilton Simpson, now running for Agriculture (controls gun licenses), used their super majority to give us the Parkland reactionary gun control laws which raised age for all firearm purchases to 21 (both hunting rifles and ARs), gave us red flag laws, banned bump stocks, rubber bands, possibly binary triggers, maybe cranks, no one knows because the law is so vague and bad, added waiting periods to all firearms. Also no campus carry, Republicans always shoot it down.

       Both repub senators Rubio (wanted to entertain mag restrictions after Parkland) and Rick Scott, who also wants national red flags, are pretty bad on gun support. Of course for elections they go to “I support the 2A mode” but every time I contact them on 2A issues they send me back stuff how they are working hard to get red flag laws passed. I wish this gunvote article said “yep, Rubio and Scott are crap, but just mostly less worse than the Dems, so that’s why we recommend a deal with the devil and hold your nose while you vote for these stinkers.” I would probably even vote to keep Nikki Fried over Wilton Simpson, just need to give that guy the boot before he thinks he can work his way up to governor and senator. No thanks.

       • It is worse than you know. The word crafting is insidious, and can be taken to mean even a slicker lubricant can see you charged with a felony.

         “As used in this section, the term “bump-fire stock” means a conversion kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device used to alter the rate of fire of a firearm to mimic automatic weapon fire or which is used to increase the rate of fire to a faster rate than is possible for a person to fire such semiautomatic firearm unassisted by a kit, a tool, an accessory, or a device.

         http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0700-0799/0790/Sections/0790.222.html

         Emphasis is mine. Bump stocks, binary, FRT’s (probably), custom triggers (also probable), lightened carriers, lighter springs, lube, enlarged gas ports, polished rails/carrier/etc. all fall under when placed under the microscope. Perhaps even compensator’s if you want to really get down in the weeds.

         Smart thing to do would be to, lacking the ability to kick that to the curb entirely, at least have it narrowly redefined as the maximum ROF of the weapon platform, that being in full auto of course.

         Which would by the same token, kill the bump stock portion of the ban entirely. Or have Miculek’s capability be the de facto standard barring that, jus’ sayin. XD

       • Almost forgot, FVD.

       • I agree on Wilton and yes, he does have designs on the Gov chair, but I want Fried back down on her farm NEVER to be heard from again. That other stuff has nothing to do with owning, carrying and using a firearm. My rifles perform flawlessly without bumpstocks, rubber bands or binary triggers. The 21 law will be repealed and does not apply to members of the military, if you have a concealled carry permit the waiting period does not apply for handguns OR long guns (same day pick up after background check). Schools in my county are protected by armed, trained citizen patrols since they opted in and campus carry will never happen at most colleges because they are liberal run shitholes who will never opt in and the state can’t force it. Rubio has not impressed me from day one, but no one will step up to challenge him that will do anything better. Val Demmings has been a legacy diversity hire from the beginning following her husband onto the Orlando PD right up her failed leadership in that dept AND when she fails to get that Senate seat (giving up her House seat to run) she will probably follow her husband into the Orange County Mayoral job and eventually attempt to run for Governor. FL Red Flag Laws are no better and no worse than any of the other states and while that does not make it right it is what is.

       • Funny, I am seeing a shocking lack of history or tradition in those laws. Be a shame if someone challenged it with standing.

       • Good point, SAFE.

         Myself, I can’t afford to play guinea pig again. Last DGU cost me an arm and a leg, from which I still haven’t recovered, that though even being on the right side of the law. Another $5k to have the b.s. and moronic discharge of a firearm in public arrest and charge on record purged entirely. Not affordable until I finish paying off my attorney fees early next year.

         If I may be so bold as to point out, of course you often discharge your fucking firearm while defending your life with it. Pointless harassment and a malicious prosecution, all that was.

         I still feel pretty raw about it, you’ve gathered. All over some frivolous, petty bureaucratic asshat’s desire to get a conviction for a nothing-burger false charge that didn’t even apply because “doin’ sumpthin” mumble mumble “gunm violence”. Lost the most important Rights we have for almost 2 1/2 years without a conviction, or even so much as a hearing.

   • Since History confirms Gun Control in any shape, matter or form is rooted in racism and genocide…Common sense dictates democRats do not and I mean do-not have any moral high ground whatsoever. In fact democRats and their Gun Control rot are so low they have to look up to see down.

   • The gun laws here are awful.

     What are YOU being deprived of? Other than Constitutional (coming soon) and open carry what is so “awful” about Fl laws? I own all the guns I want; I carry everyday (concealed which is MY preference) and even with Constitutional Carry I would still purchase the permit because it is needed to carry concealed in a number of reciprocity states that I travel through. What are YOU not permitted to do that you feel is so important… Hell in FL you can even have a gun range in your back yard.

2. “Every time we talk about responsible gun ownership and legislation that could help protect lives, you pull the Second Amendment out, … My father was a gun owner. It has nothing to do with the Second Amendment. This is about taking dangerous guns out of the hands of dangerous people!”

   Let me finish your comment for you to more fully explain what you really mean…

   This is about taking dangerous guns out of the hands of dangerous people by taking guns out of the hands of law abiding people who are not dangerous while we democrats let the dangerous people roam free to harm the now disarmed law abiding people who are not dangerous. We are going to do that by removing or restricting the constitutional rights of the law abiding people …. oh wait… that’s why you bring up the second amendment.

   You said your dad owned guns. Well, that does not qualify you for this. Why is it that democrats are always quick to point out they had a ‘relation’ that owned guns? It is not a qualification for you to understand this, yet you shove the second amendment aside like it does not exist. Remember that word ‘Constitution”? Its obviously too big of a word for you democrats.

   • “Every time we talk about freedom of speech and legislation that could prevent liable claims, you pull the First Amendment out,”

     There, I fixed it for socialist-democrats.

3. Rep Demings, et al. simply do not respect the constitution and in so doing violate their oath of office.

   • In ILLannoy a bunch of political ads are running touting ex-cop or cop endorsement as a good thing. It is not. Most cop’s I’ve known(quite a few in my 68 years)hate ccl or us plebes owning let alone dare carrying a gat. This gal is what’s wrong with Dims…vote R.

   • You weren’t supposed to see they had their fingers crossed behind their backs when they made the oath. That makes the oath not count. Every junior schooler knows this.

4. My sister is a retired cop and she hates the gun culture. Vote Republican, pro-Second Amendment candidates. I live in the Soviet of Washington and I despise the gun grabbers.

5. What Merica needs, rather than even one of the thousands of cuts purposed to inflict death on critical liberties, is, laws that expel scum and idiots like this from any government position. That should include contracts, consultations, lobbying or being employed by any so engaged. This for fraudulently taking oaths they did not intend to keep AND failed to honor.

6. Somewhat off topic, but, all police weapons should have a record bullet that has been fired through them in a database to assist in tracing bullets found in dead and wounded people when no firearm is recovered at the scene. Might encourage LEOs to be more careful with their weapons.

   • Most do

7. i have seen promotions within the police dept. of a major municipality that was riddled with corruption, favoritism, less qualified candidates passed over for political reasons. high ranking officers sleeping, etc.—-enough for the regulars to just not give a damn—-so a chief? was this based on merit? after hearing the garbage being spoken, i know the answer

8. “Criminals, by definition, flaunt the law.”

   No, they don’t. They flout the law.

9. I know people do it(I have)but leaving your gunm in your car is dumbn.
   Ehhh if Rubio is so great hows come Florida ain’t constitutional carry?
   Back to the two snake partie choices.

   • DeSantis has said, if the bill makes it to his desk, he will sign it. Still waiting…

   • Ain’t just Rubio that makes the decision. There are quite a lot of RINOs (possibly a herd) that have prevented any movement in that direction. Mostly influenced by Marion Hammer, longtime NRA lobbyist. She’s allegedly retiring, but don’t expect her to let go anytime soon.

     https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2022/06/16/longtime-nra-florida-lobbyist-marion-hammer-retiring/

     “Despite her maneuvering behind the scenes to get a permitless carry bill passed, legislation filed each of the last two legislative sessions went nowhere.” Unable to determine the veracity of this statement as I don’t have ‘those’ kind of connections.

   • Rubio has not been in the FL legislature since 2010, US Senators have no controlover state laws.

10. Ike Clanton felt that his Second Amendment rights were violated.
    The Earps changed his mind.

    • No Ike Clanton was right, and he attempted to assert his 2nd amendment rights, the Earps killed him, being dead stops the mind but it doesn’t change it.

11. When affirmative action and no interest in a real job meet you get Val Demings.

    “Valdez Venita Butler was born on March 12, 1957,[4] one of seven children born to a poor family; her father worked as a janitor, her mother as a maid. They lived in Mandarin, a neighborhood in Jacksonville, Florida.”

    So her daddys gun was most likely a break action 12ga single that he poached with.

    • Easy now, that’s a poor man’s double gun. Funny how they castigate one, and sing high praise from the heavens for the other with both having the same parallax error, don’t ya think?

12. This is a nice article however Mr Rubio has NOT backtracked on his statement regarding national red flag laws. He MUST do this to begin repairing the rift he has created between those who love and value their Constitutional rights and himself. He must get out of that “gang of eight” mentality and get back to being the grassroots Constitutional Conservative that I saw in 2010…..

13. That guy ceased to exist as soon as John McCain got his hooks into him. The only reason Rubio is still in that seat is because no “real” conservative will step up and primary him.

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