Given this week’s events and the fact that Las Vegas murderer Stephen Paddock apparently used at least one bump fire-equipped rifle during his Mandalay Bay killing spree, the mainstream media have now become aware of the existence of these niche accessories. Which is why TTAG’s RF and Jeremy S. teamed up with Jason Carter of Underground Tactical this afternoon to educate a CBS News crew on the differences between a bump fire stock and a proper machine gun.
If all goes according to plan, the segment will appear on CBS’s national news broadcast this evening at 6:30p eastern, 5:30p central. Any bets as to the number of mis-stated “facts” in the report?
Reporters also nattering endlessly over flash suppressors and buffers as if they were options that made the rifle more deadly, instead of being standard equipment on all AR-15-style rifles.
Backs to the wall, no compromise and never surrender.
Hillary and Obama are responsible for Vegas. THEY have called for “Resistance” and Paddock answered their call.
You do not murder People you support or even empathize with.
Paddock was ANTIFA.DEMOCRAT who hated White People who supported Trump
Paddock was instigated by Hillary’s and Obama’s REFUSAL to accept the election and their calls to “RESIST”. This horror was caused by Hillary and Obama.
WTF…
Thanks, guys, for doing the best you can to provide unbiased facts even if they won’t listen. It’s a good faith effort.
Unfortunately some people still watch ABC, CBS, NBC nightly propaganda…I’m not one but the under-educated will go away after the “report” without a change in status…still an under-educated, gullible member of the masses.
The real question is how soon will the ATF simply outlaw it through a new regulation. On the one hand it was legal because technically the weapon with this installed was a semi-auto but in reality it acted more like a full auto which resulting in many more people being killed and maimed. Now the real question is will the Government simply outlaw it without passing a new law. Yes you bet they will.
Cool, and all they’ll see is the same “rate of fire” and tell you it’s dangerous and that’s how dumb old guy was able to kill so many people yadda yadda yadda…
I have TTAG’s back on this one. If TTAG doesn’t demonstrate it, someone not Pro-2A will. This gives TTAG the opportunity to get out in front of it, not add bad commentary, and demonstrate how it should properly be used and limitations of such.
I hope you guys made your own recording of this demo
We did.
I knew you would.
Are you going to upload to https://www.youtube.com/user/guntruth/videos ?
I hope you all have your own cameras and audio recorders rolling ready to upload it online when CBS will inevitably lie, distort, and cut out the truth to suit their propaganda.
Every gun owner should do this or ignore them since we should be well aware by now the media is against us and will not give us a balanced view.
I once prepared a statement to the media on behalf of a client. The reporter or producer edited my statement before reading it on-air. I won’t make that mistake twice.
this looks like a train wreck waiting to happen. any bets they cut and paste selectively to make TTAG look as bad as the Virginia Citizens Defense League did after Under the Gun?
I am guessing they will chop it down to about 5 seconds of actual shooting and insert their own OMG!! SOMETHING MUST BE DONE!
Action films next for Jeremy! I wonder what his signature quirk going to be? Rad fur jackets, trippin’ shades, or maybe “It ain’t the heat, it’s the temperature.”;-)
“Everytown for Gun Safety: Let’s Talk About Gun Control Now!” Did you think I was waiting for the next shooting, to listen to you gun control BS? Guess again.
While I am happy to see manufacturers finding ways to thumb their nose at idiotic bureaucracy; you have to ask yourself if we aren’t are own worst enemy for making stuff like this. The “Bullet Button” and “Arm Brace that in no way functions like a stock” are fine, but as soon as I saw this product get released I knew we just gave ourselves enough rope to get hung with.
Its not a question of “is it legal”, its a question of “is this smart”. Cause at some point, some idiot is going to not use it as intended, and the dip shit government and even dip shit-ier media is going to use it as a PR campaign to roll back rights even further.
Am I saying that without the Bump Stock this couldn’t have happened? No, but Slide-Fire just handed the Democrats and the media a perfect story: Machine gun, full auto, easily purchased, loop holes yada yada yada.
And cue the morons who will say I’m a paid troll or a Fudd in 3…2…
In the real world, they call this “make work”……………………………….. 🙂
Let’s get a betting pool going for the total number of inaccuracies. What’s the over/under? 15?
This is all by design. One small event affects the lawmakers of hundreds of millions of people. This shooting was more effective than a millions of dollars in campaign money against the Share Act and the NRA.
How about you let them shoot them bump fire. It takes practice and it’s not as easy as you would think. Hell just let them shoot one versus he other with NO instruction and I’d bet they couldn’t even get a burst out of it!
The media is already misinforming the world about what a “bump fire stock” does. They are basically saying it transforms the weapons into an actual machine/fully automatic gun. You can leave that narrative out there or you can put out the entire truth.
The facts being that: this technique [bump fire] can be achieved with your belt loop on your pants/shorts, the stock doesn’t turn a semi auto into a genuine full auto, that there are simple illegal modifications that can turn a semi auto into a full auto (like bank robbers have done), items like that stock are not illegal because you still have to pull the trigger yourself, you can recreate the same effect without the “bump fire stock” on a bi-pod equipped gun by pushing the gun forward and having slack for the gun to bounce.
I think I heard a Fox news reporter say to ban “bump fire stocks” because they make a gun fully automatic. Imagine what the other channels are saying.
This is not the brightest choice TTAG’s staff has made this week. What outcome do you people expect from your efforts to educate anti-civil rights bigots? Narrowly crafted legislation to outlaw bumpfire stocks? Legislation mandating triggers with an electronic/mechanical delay, so they can only be fired at a rate of 10 rounds per minute? What were you thinking?
to mike the bullsh–er
quote————————-First, you CAN buy silencers over the counter in other (European) countries. Buyers are NOT “heavily vetted.”————————-quote
Your making a blanket statement in regards to many European countries. Laws not only vary between countries many times they even vary between provinces.
Boy did we dodge a bullet. This mental case could have been a heartbeat frm the presidency.
Wishful thinking that government can protect its citizen against a murderer nor is it governments responsibility to do so. When UC Berkley has to pay $600k in protection for a Ben Shapiro to exercise his first amendment right to speak at a college no less and Las Vegas PD doesn’t invest in counter-snipers covering an outdoor event with 22k people at a significant lower cost; one needs to ask why. Law enforcement cannot stop a madman, however if planned properly it can limit the carnage. It’s a better option and far more effective than infringing on citizens right to bare arms.
Until both sides of the divide can, at least, see one another as human, things are going to get worse.
The problem is that 1.) civil rights advocates (READ: the ones NOT stumping for long-defunct gun control laws) generally DO see the other side as Human and regularly call out those who think otherwise on both sides, and 2.) gun-grabbers (READ: the only right and proper label for gun control advocates) generally do NOT see the other side as Human and regularly make explicit declarations to that effect — and NO ONE on their side calls them out for this, ever.
The problem rests, primarily at least, with THEM. NO ONE ELSE.
Just watched the report, and I honestly think it was one of the better (from a factual and bias standpoint) pieces I’ve seen on CBS where guns are concerned. While it did end with the mention of the failed bump stock ban bill, CBS also mentioned the fact that full autos made after 1986 are illegal for civilians to own.
Nice job, RF.
“Let me preface what I’m about to say, so the civil libertarians understand what I’m saying, I believe the number one civil right is to be free from harm.”
Spoken like a typical authoritarian bureaucrat. The Soviet Union was famous for having safe streets but that safety was attained only through the loss of personal freedom. Being free from harm isn’t quite the same as being free, it is Mr. former Commissioner?
CBS at least covered what you showed them. Kind of took off on rounds per minute and no one really knows if the guy actually used those guns.
You did all you could.
Just watched it. They kept juxtaposing Robert stating that they weren’t practical and a range toy with gun fire and insinuating that they obviously were practical in that they were used in a mass shooting to simulate automatic fire.
Perhaps you should have posted an unedited unfiltered copy of the interview here as part of the story. Then there would be a version that honest viewers could come to and watch. I would never grant an interview without recording it myself.
Oh come on!
The problem is not Ryan. He is just cutting his loses / not dying on The Hill for a lost cause simply to make a point / win your short term approval. Did any of you honestly believe that SHARE/HPA would make it through the Senate with a near 50/50 split? Especially with Senators like McCain, Collins, et al?
Remember that time when Pierced Moron went to a TX gun range?
Did that change his mind? Was he more informed? Did he stop propagating untruths about guns afterwards?
The lefty progressive control freaks and their propaganda arm, the main stream media, could care less about TRUTH and FACTS. It just damages their agenda. I have NO doubt this attempt will be twisted.
“Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police.” — Talk is cheap… walk the walk and try taking them…
One thing that continues to bother me is why the LV shooter brought so many guns? Even the fruitcake Dorner didn’t hump in that many.
You guys know that CBS News is the enemy, right?
You know that the CBS News president is David Rhodes, brother of President Obama’s chief propagandist Ben Rhodes?
Just checking.
I look forward to the “As televised” and truth comparison.
I saw it and all they did was use the footage to show how it was like a full auto. Not details about the difference. Sheesh.
Well, there have been many times when ISIS falsely claimed credit for violent actions, right? Such as . . . .
Okay, I can’t think of any.
Fall for it? He’s salivating at any chance to sell out. Hell he probably orchestrated it and put that harpy at the podium to further the obsolete and toxic idea of “bipartisanship”.
I wish we could recall commie scum like Ryan, McConnell, McCain, and Graham…
This guys a slimy fuckin snake…always has been. RINO #1
..Just ahead of McCain.
“Any bets as to the number of mis-stated “facts”…?”
All of them.
In youtube they compare bump fire to fully automatic AR and there patterns and rate was close to the automatic. In saying that, length of fire was a bit long, but with all the arms there in his room you would only have t drop one and pick up another? We all know to long a rate of fire causes barrel problems. There is a lot of unanswered questions here. You can bump fire all semiautos. The bump fire stock allows a better control of your field of fire, instead of firing from hip. Also machine guns are not illegal to own or shoot, just need the proper license and tax stamps. Just saying. As far as not enough brass, lets assume that they might have brushed a bunch of brass out of the way to not step on the brass itself? With his money why didn’t he just buy .308 auto for the length of shot he had and for the effect?? Lots or unanswered questions.
The idea of a “right to be free from harm” starts to look a little ridiculous once the SWAT teams start busting down doors and putting people in cages. I’d say that counts as harm.
Violence by the State is still violence, harm by the state is still harm.
Dan, while I dislike Ryan intensely and don’t trust him as far as I could throw him, I don’t believe he is fool enough to sit down with that woman to negotiate anything. He will however sandbag both the HPA and National Reciprocity because he wants to save them for the party to use as a wedge issue next year. We can only hope he fails a primary challenge or someone unseats his sorry ass for Speaker.
any-one whose thinking clearly knows this whole thing stinks to high heaven!
I lost my AR and AK bumpfire stocks in a tragic canoeing accident tomorrow.
Yeesh.
If he put that much full strength ammo through a suppressor in that short amount of time, the suppressor probably would have melted. Plenty of videos showing just that happening.
At night it is the flash that you find, not the sound. Especially in a place like Vegas with all those tall, sound reflecting buildings. You’d be hard pressed to find it no matter how loud or quiet. The smoke, on the other hand, from the rounds…you could see that daytime if he wasn’t back far enough from the window. Otherwise you are looking for some other sign, such as, oh broken windows.
Oh, let me add: Kaine is an idiot. Willfully ignorant or just lying, he’s an idiot for making such an easily debunked claim.
But then the people who voted for him and Hillary are easily led.
Surrender my rights? You first asswipe. And may Hillary Clinton use your mouth as her cock-holster.
Any confirmation on the mass murderer’s political affiliation?
There is talk he would verbally abuse and belittle his girlfriend in public so her leaving may also be a contributing factor.
But that this had been planned over a year indicates a revenge or reprisal attack on those “Flyover hicks who elected Trump” over Saint Hillary.
Rich people sometimes have funny opinions about those they regard as “little people”.
No video?
You would have to disable your ad block. It’s CBS video ad.
YOU DONT NEED A STOCK TO BUMP FIRE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2YLgLj8KVY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD213VW6WjY
I will say this…common sense is also photo ID for voting…just sayin’…
Lets break down his proposals effectiveness vs the Las Vegas shooting.
1. “we should have a required safety check every year of somebody who purchases a gun. Bring in your weapon”
What are yo even checking for? That the weapon has gotten its need maintenance and is in proper working order? Obviously the murderer’s weapons where. Effectiveness: 0
2. “There should be a database for police departments and federal agencies of people who have been sex offenders, mentally disturbed where e before you get a gun these people have to be cleared in order to process them.”
You mean like the one that already exists? Since the Las Vegas mass murderer had no criminal or psychiatric record. Effectiveness: 0
“Up to 99.9 percent of the weapons that are used in these shootings are legally obtained.”
So basically you admit that all your vaunted plans will have almost no effect. We are to take the advice of a person who is clearly delusional or lacks the mental capacity to remember his own statements utter a mere couple of minutes before.
To our resident Moron Excendrine Headache.
I compete with a 22 l.r. and we have matches at 200 yards and have no trouble hitting the bulls eye at 200 and to hit a crowd at 400 would be a piece of cake and lethal as well. Read the inscription on every box of .22 ammo. It states be careful lethal up to 1 mile and they are not joking. I suggest you quit making such a fool out of yourself when you know so little about firearms or target practice or what a .22 can do. I have killed ground hogs with a .22 at 200 yards. And believe me anyone hit in the head at 400 would be dead guaranteed. I once as a kid fired off a .22 at a hawk the bullet went 3/4 of a mile and buried itself right under the bedroom window in the wooden siding on my buddies house and that was at a range of as I said of 3/4 of a mile. I never again fired any .22 into the air.
There is no such thing as a gun law.
There is only infringement.
Therefore, there is no such thing as a gun control law. That is an infringement to gun rights by a tyrannical government.
There are enough laws on the books to send people to prison for a long time without even mentioning the tool used to commit the crime.
Leave my rights alone!
Time to flood Ryan with phone calls.
Hey Scoutino, I know this. I was attempting to point out how the leftists will use anything to distort facts. All day I have been watching the news media spouting off on how a bump stock converts an AR to fully automatic which obviously is not true. It is despicable and evil how they will use any tragedy to promote their gun grabbing agenda.
Don’t EMS crews normally stay out of the crime scene until after the shooter has been stopped? If that’s true and happened here, couldn’t some of the injured have succumbed to their wounds during that period after the shooting stopped but befire the shooter’s death was confirned?
Doesn’t it seem that often a murderer turns a gun on himself at first contact with LE? Don’t think the SWAT guys might have considered that? After shooting the security guard, and knowing his room was identified, he might have decided to “quit,” and THAT would certainly explain the lack of further gunfire.
Meanwhile the SWAT guys know what’s going to be behind their target. In this case that would naturally a whole bunch of windows. How could a bunch of guys entering guns a-blazing NOT have resulted in MORE bullets out the window?
News said the BG suicided when the SWAT team entered, but they were just filling air after the fact. Since I’m sure there were no “embedded” reporters on the 32nd floor, I’m thinking it was much sooner.
I’d bet that at the sound of one more shot, maybe even only one more breath, they’d have been inside the room PDQ, and with violence.
So they waited until their “suspect” cooled down a little first, literally; and I don’t see that as such a bad plan.
Dear President Trump. Senator Diane Feinstein has done such a wonderful job I demand that she be followed by a Marine Honor Guard and each time she enters or leaves a building or vehicle, or begins or ends a speech, she should be given a 21 gun salute!
BS article.
Then tell me why gun control worked so well in Australia, after the 1996 tragedy Australia is considered one of the safest countries in the world.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/15/it-took-one-massacre-how-australia-made-gun-control-happen-after-port-arthur
https://www.sciencealert.com/20-year-review-of-australia-s-gun-laws-has-one-clear-finding-they-work
http://www.iflscience.com/editors-blog/figures-show-no-mass-shootings-australia-since-gun-control-laws-introduced-20-years-ago/
Keep living in your fantasy that more guns will make us safe. Your statically more likely to murder yourself or a loved one or commit suicide with your weapon than stop an intruder.
Time for you to WAKE UP and GROW UP.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/2/16399418/us-gun-violence-statistics-maps-charts
Since I voted twice does that make me a democrat?
Two out of four of their points are outright falsehoods.
1)There was no ban on “assault weapons.” There was an increase in production due to the “ban.” Since the “ban expired, there are now millions more out there.
2)There was no ban on “high capacity” magazines. These were readily available the whole time. Now that everyone has a case of PMags stashed away, a new “ban” of the 1994 type will be even more useless.
I remember the 1994 “AWB” and it didn’t ban those things. They were plentiful and legal before, during, and after.
The vast majority of mass shootings occurred in gun free zones. The Mandalay Bay hotel is a gun free zone and hotel policy prevents private security personnel from carrying any type of weapon on the premises, including firearms. Common criminals and mass murders don’t care anything about gun free zone policies – they are criminals.
“By way of disclosure I confess ignorance about guns, except they are rather expensive when I visit the local Cabella’s superstore.”
I can agree with this. Even a gun muggle knows a rip off when he sees it. The rest was a head scratching rambling mess. Ban shit cuz da feelz.
I wonder what SHOT show 2018 is going to be like.
And stating the obvious, we still have 3 months to finish 2017. A lot can happen. I thought the fall of 2016 made life interesting enough, just with elections…and here we go again.