“George Zimmerman’s defense attorneys on Thursday released photos and text messages from 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s cellphone ahead of a hearing that will determine whether they can be used at Zimmerman’s murder trial,” foxnews.com reports. “The photos show Martin blowing smoke and extending his middle finger to the camera. The photos also show [Martin holding] a gun and what appears to be a potted marijuana plant. In the text messages, Martin tells a friend that his mother has told him he needs to move out of her house and move in with his father since he was caught skipping school.” More importantly, lawyer Mark O’Mara told Fox’s Megyn Kelly that the texts reveal that Martin was into street fighting. The deceased teen promised to go back and continue a previous battle. Zimmerman’s chances of acquittal just went up. The possibility of rioting, too. Make the jump for a just-released photo of Zimmerman’s head injuries . . .
That cannot be right. It was all over the news that TM was a 12 year old looking good kid. I saw his picture repeatedly.
yes, I bet, if President Barrack Hussein Obama were to have a son, he’d look a whole lot like Trayvon!
+1 beat me to it.
Obama: “If I had a son, he’d look like Trayvon”
It is a shame obama’s kid has fallen so low. Maybe his “father” taught him to blame others and make excuses instead of taking responsibility for his own actions.
So when are you going to be on the TV series 🙂
The people of CA only have themselves to blame.
I feel no remorse for any of them and their excuses upon excuses as to
how things are grew old years ago.
Yeah, this is like attacking a victim at a rape trial. Standard defense sleaze tactic Whether or not Martin was a “thug,” Zimmerman targeted him and murdered him. He is not a cause celebre for gun owners or self defense activists: he is a homicidal bigot, and should only be supported by other homicidal bigots.
Zimmerman is one of the best examples of racial grievance politics going.
Kettle, meet Pot.
You’re wrong. George Z. may be an idiot who should have never left his house, but a murderer he is not.
I do agree that the parties using this as grist for the political mill are both lying though.
I don’t see Repubs using George Zimmerman. And I haven’t seen them using George Zimmerman. Not once.
You guys can accuse of white racism all you’d like. I haven’t seen this. The only racism I’ve seen in this case is black vs everybody else.
“Yeah, this is like attacking a victim at a rape trial.”
— I think you mean the bs manipulation attempt by the accuser’s lawyers that certain evidence cannot be introduced by the defense to prove their accused client is innocent because it would “re-victimize” the “victim” which re-configures Western law to assume the accused is guilty until proven innocent.
No one is guilty and no one a victim until the jury has reached a decision. You have been brainwashed by the bigots of the politically-correct Left and the male-hating radical feminists.
I know I’ve said this before to other people, and maybe even to you, but I’m gonna say it again:
Wow! How did you get such impressive firsthand knowledge of the events last night? Have you contacted either the investigators (to make sure Zimmerman is convicted) or the defense team (to ensure he is found innocent)? If not, why not? I’m sure they would be very glad to have your input.
The prosecution doesn’t need my help. They have all of the records that show that Zimmerman saw a black teen in a hoodie, called the cops, who told him not to do anything, and then he got out of his car and confronted him.
There was no evidence Martin was doing anything wrong, he didn’t have a weapon on him, so a racist defense is appealing to other racists to try and portray Martin as a “thug.”
It should be a great example of why everyone should own a gun in “safe” neighborhoods: chances are, some juiced up conservative moron is going to try to attack you. If Martin had had a gun himself, he might have stood a chance.
Aaaaaand another person who hasn’t listened to the original, un-altered 911 recording released by the police department.
There is no evidence that he is a bigot. If he is, he would be self loathing given his Hispanic mother and African American grand parent.
Trayvon Martin sure seems like a dirt bag. The liberal media screwed up big time on this story because of their epic bias. I hope the media gets the justice they deserve, Zimmerman gets acquitted, and Obama gets embarrassed yet again.
I’ve withheld comments on many shootings because the facts weren’t in. There are many cases when something “looks bad,” and it is totally legitimate. The Martin / Zimmerman shooting is looking more justified by our “white Hispanic” victim every day. As someone charged with investigationing crime, it is definitely worthwhile to wait before the facts are in prior to rushing into an erroneous conclusion. I thought the initial release of Zimmerman shortly thereafter the shooting showed his innocence, and the subsequent facts have continued to support that opinion.
I’ll also go on record that I’ve not listened to the advice of 911 dispatchers, and I will shoot someone who is trying to bash my head against the sidewalk.
I would have double tapped!
Because Martin’s hand was on the slide as they were struggling for the gun, it didn’t cycle. The expended casing was still in the chamber when the police arrived.
Fun fact the media left out because it made for a less interesting “story”.
@Hasdrubal: True, but much more force is required to keep a cylinder from turning, whereas if so much as a thumb touches against the slide as it moves back it can cause a malfunction in a semi.
In addition, the slide makes up a bigger (and much more easily accessible/grabbed) portion of a semi than a cylinder on a revolver.
I carry a 642 myself. I don’t think a GP100 would carry so nice in a pocket. 😉
The entire dog and pony show is being driven by the threat of rioting, justice was kicked down the stairs long ago. This could be happening to any one of us, poor George Zimmerman’s number just came up first.
But in the real end of the story, I am betting that Zimmerman will walk away with a multimillion dollar settlement. Bad for him now, but the way the case is unfolding, he may never need to work again.
Even if they do riot, it’ll just be in their own neighborhood, so nothing of importance will be lost. They aren’t the brightest folks out there:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43QL_fhclY
Which one of the marchers were you, matt?
My guess is he wasn’t there. He talks a good game, but he doesn’t strike me as someone who has the courage of his convictions.
When did Toledo become Chicago? The Nazi’s in Skokie happened before I was born. I would have joined the Westboro Baptists when they were in Skokie, but I didnt hear about it until after it was over 🙁
Herr Human:
I see you don’t do irony very well.
What will Obama do with all that False anger now? How will the media spin this after being so sure about this innocent boy?
They’ll start championing 2A. Martin was clearly just a good exercising his rights.
Ice-T FTW!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqJJtIFuLTg
one thing people need to remember is that the A.T.F. did not simply give these firearms straight to the cartel. they loosened up the gun control laws in border states so that people without proper paperwork, or background checks could purchase large firearms. this allowed the cartel to send out these “go walkies” with large sums of american cash and purchase firearms without the american citizen breaking the law. this is simple economics the man with the most money gets the stuff. if guns are unavailable in mexico than they will come here to buy them. with how much money the cartel has, it is no problem for the cartel to grossly overpay for the weapon and “pay off” the american citizens conscious. they know who bought the weapon and what it would be used for.
no the problem is not with the cartels violence or the fast and furious scandal, the problem is with american gun policy and who we allow to have guns. guns in this day and age should not be a common right. not everyone should be allowed to have guns by any means. the right to have guns should be tough to acquire and easy to lose. this meaning that the regulations in order to be able to own guns should be strict, much more than a weekend course for concealed carry, and should require multiple personality tests. the right to sell guns should be extremely hard to get because it is ultimately the person who sells the gun decides who gets guns. guns should also be easy to lose, and once the right to own guns has been lost it should be swiftly made sure that that person no longer has guns.
this is a complicated issue. and yes it was americas laws that were not very well planned that allowed this to happen. american gun policy always shoots itself in the foot.
Say it aint so, little baby trayvon who was gunned down as he was being pushed down the street in a carriage? This comes as quite a shock, well… not really. Get your AR’s here, get your AR’s here(in FL) your going to f’n need em, Randy
I’ll have my friends in free-states buy ammo for me, and ship it this way. Hell, I could just have a new excuse to go to Vegas more often 😉
Or I could ask some of my LEO buddies and fam to buy ammo for me.
The son Barry O never had….
$2.6M divided by 39 employees = $66,666 per employee. What the?
So, I take it that Trayvon Martin was not legally in posession of that firearm, since he wasn’t old enough to own it under Florida law. So – where did he get it?
Did he steal it himself? Did he purchase a stolen gun, and if so, who sold a stolen gun to a known minor?
Did he take it from his parents, and if so, where’s the usual liberal outrage that a gun was made available to an unsupervised minor?
Pretty important questions, but by and large, the media has forgotten about this case – especially now that it appears more than ever that Martin was far from the little angel that he was portrayed as by the media.
Doesn’t make for an entertaining “story” anymore. Reporters are never interested in the truth, they want a “story”.
Turns out the little b@stard was nothing more than a little b@stard, BIG SHOCKER!
Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmg1aY6_AJI
Oh, and he could have been B.O.’s son, forgot that one.
lmao, and you conservative gutter trash are calling *me* a bigot
Just because someone else is an asshole doesn’t make you less of one. That’s not how it works.
seriously…it’s california….who cares…
so the 6,000 rds of 9mm I have means I can parlay it into $7,000 cash? sweet
Nothing says “freedom” like open carry. When Wis. first got CC/accepted open carry a young man walked into the bank with a 1911 on his hip. Trust me, after 60 years of bullshit, thats freedom, Randy
Technically the county law is unenforceable as it is not in keeping with the state law. State law over rules city and county I believe. Doesnt mean you wont be detained and hassled, likely arrested but it should not hold up in court. Of course denver is its own little state according to the courts.
Not just the courts… The original CO Constitution has a section where Denver has “Home-Rule”. Even back then, the elite of Denver didn’t want to live under rules passed by the rest of Colorado. Denver bans open carry. And the Colorado Supreme Court upheld the ban.
JeffCo’s proposed law doesn’t conflict with state law, since they’re only talking about certain buildings:
C.R.S. 29-11.7-104. Regulation – carrying – posting
A local government may enact an ordinance, regulation, or other law that prohibits the open carrying of a firearm in a building or specific area within the local government’s jurisdiction.
If they were talking about banning open carry in the entire county, it would have to go to court (City and County of Denver is, so far, the only locality “allowed” to have a blanket ban on open carry).
Blowing smoke? TEENAGE SMOKING?! A potted marijuana plant… OH NO!
I love TTAG and what you guys usually write, but that still hardly qualifies as making Trayvon a hardcore “thug.” I’m sure all of us remember the kids who smoked in high school, who’d cross the street to light up a cigarette (or something else). Smoking weed doesn’t make you an aggressive maniac, or dangerous thug. Abuse of weed is pretty widespread among kids these days… even in the suburbs.
I’m more interested in the handgun pictures. Did Martin possess an illegal handgun? Was it stolen or given to him by his family?
That piece of evidence might not go as well as the defense wants. If Martin was the predator they’re painting him to be, why didn’t he rob Zimmerman with a gun instead of engaging in fisticuffs? No gun was found on Martin, and GZ still looks like a guy who shot an unarmed teenager, thug, punk or not.
Are you interested in the school records that show Martin was caught in the building after hours with a bunch of assorted jewelry he couldn’t provide an explanation for?
Okay. That’s great. Was he committing a crime when Zimmerman confronted him? If yes, Zimmerman MIGHT have a case. Even still, stand your ground doesn’t give you the right to get out of your car and confront someone.
Whee! Facts are fun.
Zimmerman never confronted Martin.
When Zimmerman was told not to continue observing Martin, he stopped and went the other way. Zimmerman’s police statement, tracing of movements in the neighborhood, and the actual 911 recording released by the police all support that.
Martin confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around. By your own argument, Martin could have kept going to his father’s house when he saw the older man go the other way. He never had the right to stalk and ambush Zimmerman, Stand Your Ground law or not.
But then, you’d have to actually spend effort to go and listen to the recorded evidence on your own; so expecting what really happened to penetrate your bubble of self-righteousness is asking a bit much, hunh?
Fail again, Mr Templton.
rtempleton, what is ‘confront’ you libtard clown? So the neighborhood watchman was a little tenacious in doing his job….big deal. So your for Barney Fife getting his head smashed in for asking questions?
Say, what you got against Hispanics anyway (I can play your dirty libtard games as well)?
The same rationale used in the PRC to outlaw open carry.The whinning LEOs were put out having to respond to Starbucks,etc when someone walked in strapped.Whaa.
Purely FYI, no criticism implied, “whinning” would rhyme with “beginning”: the doubled vowel makes a long vowel sound into a short. “Whining”, then, would rhyme with “shining”.
“We’re worried about ’emotionally overwrought’ people shooting us. So, we’re forcing them to hide their weapons, so we’ll be caught off-guard if they try to kill us.”
Progressive logic.
“If we can’t see them,” so goes the ‘logic’, “then we won’t have to worry about them.” The obvious but unasked question here is, “just who is the emotionally overwrought party here?” Clearly it’s the hoplophobes, not the gun-toters.
I actually live in an unincorporated area of Jefferson County. I never thought this mindset would come to this county, let alone the whole state.
Idaho is looking better and better as a retirement area.
It’s not the whole county nor the entire state. It’s a ban in certain buildings. Not the overall county. These bans are already in place in many areas though not under the rule of law.
I am very glad WI is an open carry State and my CLEO is in full support of my constituttional rights.
We have an OK CC law by the way of no stupid fingerprinting or Special training other than hunters safety or accredited course. We are nearing 200k CC holders state-wide.
This is the best of the bad options. Pass it and make it better, we only need a majority to do so. I like how it was said before, its a good gun bill, bad carry bill. However, as permits get issued and fears subside, then work to better the bill. I’ll be happy if the mag cap bills die as a result. Gov. Quinn shamelessy used the Newton families as props this week to push that issue. And this bill looks to screw Rahm and Quinny-poo more than us, so I’ll begrudingly support it.
I don’t agree with the ban but I honestly don’t have a problem if certain people running certain buildings want to regulate what goes on inside their workplace. This isn’t a blanket ban in Jefferson County like the one in Denver. It’s just inside certain buildings. My local sheriff asks that people leave their weapons at home or n the car when applying for their CCW and I live in a very conservative locality. In fact I’m proud of my sheriff as he’s signed on their the anti-gun lawsuit here with 54 other sheriffs.
The level of racism and them-vs-us bigotry in the comments today is disheartening. “They’re gonna riot so they can come steal our flat-screen tee-vees!!!1!!1!”… really?
It doesn’t help that the headline and text were clearly intended to be as inflammatory as possible. Frankly, I was surprised to see this posted under RF’s byline and not Dan Z’s.
Yeah, it’s pretty awesome to see the low-level racism creep into people’s comments in threads like this. I don’t know if they think they’re being so subtle as to hide it, or if they just don’t care, but it does tell you who people really are, in the darkest corners of their minds.
As far as the byline is concerned, I’ve always found it to be the other way around.
Because the libtards play the race card so monstrously……all must be destroyed.
Maybe, and stay with me for a second here, we could wait for the trial and see all the facts come out before we make judgements one way or the other?
I wonder if any one, any where would actually give a crap if Martin had been a white cracker, especially this rtempleton character. Seems no logic or reason exists for she/he still presumes no matter what the circumstances the lighter skinned bastard is at fault for daring to confront a darker skinned someone at all. In black culture, the darker your skin the higher your cultural superiority. So the bigotry is reversed, it’s not about racism at all. Black is black and that’s all there is. But, News flash, you start beating someone on concrete…if they got anything your gonna get hurt or killed.
It’s ironic that back in the day when the Founders wrote 2A, open carry was thought of as the honest and straightforward means for gentlemen to protect themselves, while concealed carry was the province of footpads, thieves and murderers.
Which is why an open carry case is unlikely to get to SCOTUS. It would make their heads explode. The Originalists will say yes you can, the statists will say no you can’t, and the whole thing will turn on whether or not Kennedy is a pantywaist.
In order to stay consistent, the Court might just overrule Moore v. Madigan. Then nobody will have a right to carry outside the home, openly or concealed.
Be Very Careful !!! Pro Mag makes garbage handgun magazines IMHO I don’t think I would want one for my Chicom type53 (Mosin Nagant 44)
Id like it more without the detachable magazine. Thats the only thing on this that really bugs me. If it were a fixed mag and didnt extend beyond the mag well, I think it would look a lot better. Still, this is pretty cool. Id much sooner go with a less expensive ATI stock though.
I like to think of us here at TTAG as a community. We (the readers) should setup some type of networking. I would gladly help out my fellow readers in slave states.
I was lucky enough to get my hands on a P938 a week ago. Just wanted to mention that mine came with both standard as well as extended clips. Also included was a small plastic holster that fits the gun great. I had some difficulty dialing my target shots in ( shot low ) at about 25 ft, but after 50 rounds I was able to get some nice clusters in. I find the gun to fit my small hands well and am also very pleased with Sig’s fit and finish. The gun has quite a kick, as you would expect from a 9mm, but with practice got good control. Nice piece!
There won’t be wide spread rioting in Florida when (not if) Zimmerman is acquitted. This isn’t LA or Chicago. I didn’t say “No” rioting, just nothing serious. Floridians are very well armed. We have more comcealed carry permits issued here than there are soldiers in the US Army…..just in FL. Sit and contemplate that momentarily. How many people in LA had a handgun during the riots? Almost no one. Also, this is the “Deep South” and attitudes are different. At the first sign of rioting in nice neighborhoods law abiding citizens would go on the offensive. It would be very ugly. Every pizza delivery guy has a pistol under their shirt. Our police are VERY no-nonsense. Crime has plummeted since the 1990’s because everyone is packing. I don’t write this to anger blacks……I write this to save them. Burn Illonois to cinders but try that here and you will suffer terribly.
Any riot that starts in this neighborhood will instantly come to a screaming halt. There is a shooting bench and backstop in almost every back yard.
“Detachable magazines go a long way to solving the Mosin’s firepower problems, and extra 5- and 10-round mags are available.”
Firepower ain’t the Mosin’s problem. The clumsy bolt is.
I’m from Maryland used to be a free and sporting state before Baltimorons took control of the legislature. Join me in Texas!
“Colorado’s descent into slave state status continues apace.”
This has been allowed under state law for quite a while.
Nothing new, nothing to see here.
I wondered when you guys were going to notice this- I’ve had mine on order since March 19th, and am still awaiting delivery.
I guess I opened carried for the last time in Evergreen on my May trip to Colorado. Nobody seemed to care so it must be the residents near Denver and the Sheriff of Jefferson County who have a problem with it.
Well no more lunches at the Little Bear and no more business for the Silver Arrow.
Mike Bloomberg is a communist pig and can stick his SAFE act policy up “where the sun does not shine”.
Probably was the Dirtbag-in-Chief’s son, if only Obama hadn’t tossed his ass in the dumpster for someone else since he couldn’t handle the responsibility.
Do they make full length AK pistols? looks like it could be an underfolder with the stock taken off. The Philly PD may have their share of problems, but this seems like arguing over semantics. As we always say: Changing the cosmetic features doesn’t change to function of the gun.
On another note, the perp could probably make it big in Hollywood on the action-comedy reel #slipperywhenwet.
I gotta agree with Big C. That looks like an AK with a folded stock or no stock. Pause it and look. From the trigger to the muzzle looks to be about 16″ long which would make it a rifle.
I was going to complain about the semantics and maybe whine about AK pistols being called pistols in the first place, but if you’re right, Big C, I would appreciate the irony (that jwm so kindly pointed out).
i was going to say if a Mosin was good enough for Simo Häyhä then its good enough for me ………….
OF COURSE I have to work/travel that weekend.
Have a good time bud.
Philly’s Men in Blue should be glad Mr. Pettigrew didn’t have the full auto M 16 they seem to have mislaid.
Maine can kiss my smelly ass.
On the day Bill Clinton was impeached they rained down a massive number of cruise missiles on Baghdad. On the day Zimmerman is found innocent and Martin declared the aggressor Obama will sink a North Korean destroyer.
I as a retired police officer of 22 years would be extremely honored to have hickok45 as a partner , backup or whatever we are very fortunate to have such a person as an instructor on all the weapons he demonstrates. J.J.Hulsey
Look, I hate to go against the trend here, but they can also say whatever they want. You know, the whole freedom of speech thing. You have your view of the Constitution, they have yours. That’s the absolutely awesome thing about America. We can have the argument.
Its for certain buildings only, i don’t see any issue there.
I recently discovered that Portland Oregon does not have an ordinance against open carry, but the DA has ordered Portland Police to arrest anyone who open carries for disturbing the peace. Sadly, PDX does not openly admit they do this, but more than a few have been warned by friends within the bureau about this practice. At least some cities have the guts to admit they openly attack the 2A, whereas PDX, they get you in the back in the dark of night.
Oh geez,
I almost feel dirty sharing these, but I must….
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Kkc2KinHWiM
OMG!
He’s up there with one of my favorite actors.
Can’t resist….
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sxODBppps18
Oh my
Clearly should have been a DGU
Woman raped because no one available to respond to 911 call
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-oregon-raped-911-send-home-article-1.1353085
This is pretty much the platonic ideal of how a police officer should treat an armed citizen.
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It would have really hurt to lose to the “loon lake loon association”./// That sure was a squeeker though, next thing you know our soldiers would be using foam nerf bullets, Randy
Welcome to Austin. You will love it here. Texas is awesome. Keep in mind that when people talk about “liberal Austin,” they are talking liberal in Texas terms, which is basically right-center. Believe me, I’ve lived in San Francisco, Austin is not as liberal as the rest of Texas thinks it is. Coming from RI, you will NEVER compare it to the liberals you are leaving behind.
You will also enjoy getting your must-issue concealed carry license and walking into a store and buying a gun with cash and no waiting period. FREEDOM!!
Hey Pat, shouldn’t you get back to plotting to shoot a showing of a superhero movie or killing kids at a kindergarten u coward. Michelle Obama 2016 punk!