Gun Review: Smith & Wesson SD9 VE

Based on the TTAG reader survey, it looks like our readers want to read more about budget minded guns. As your loyal scribe, I aim to please (pun intended). So before you today, we have the Smith & Wesson SD9 VE. This fine piece is the lowest priced pistola de plastico in the S&W lineup. You might remember some similar looks from their Sigma range of inexpensively priced pistols. Having stripped both guns, I can tell you that the guts look mostly the same between the two. And having shot both of them, I can tell you that the trigger woes the Sigma suffered continue with the SD9 VE. Be not afraid though, as the SD9 VE has many redeeming qualities, too . . .

Appearance, Fit & Finish

Comparing an off the rack M&P to the SD9 VE, it’s plain to see that the VE is the “budget” option. You’ll notice things like the stamped sheet metal slide release and plastic guide rod. But you’ll also notice nicely textured grips and very well finished metal surfaces. The SD ships in a cardboard box, but you get two — yes two — chrome-finished magazines that glide smoothly in the magazine well. Not bad for a low-priced heater.

This is a budget firearm with the “budget” in all the right places. I was hard pressed to find any machine marks, mismatched castings, or any other signs of poor assembly. Yes, it has some budget minded parts, but it’s a very functional, solid firearm.

Ease of Use

The VE has all the bare essentials. There’s the magazine release right where it oughta be. Slide release is there on the driver’s side, and it has two wee little takedown tabs for cleaning. This gun doesn’t have a manual safety or a grip safety. Although you can get it in a MA legal (10.5 lb trigger!!) or low capacity version if you should so choose. Either way, the VE is the literal definition of point and shoot.

Ease of Disassembly

Takedown is extraordinarily easy. Move the slide back a little bit, wiggle the take down tabs, and slip the slide forward. Remove the recoil rod and barrel, and clean as necessary. I received the gun completely dry, and shot it that way. I also shot it dirty and very lubricated. It shoots fine, so if you’re afraid of disassembly, just keep shooting. Or clean it. The VE just doesn’t seem to care.

Handling Characteristics

Truth be told, I still had that bad Sigma taste in my mouth when I found out S&W was shipping the VE to me. So imagine my surprise when I took it out of the box and found it feels good in the hand. Not only is it comfortable, but it points like an Irish Setter. The front sight has a bright, white dot that makes target acquisition a snap. And the grip angle just seemed to suit me perfectly.

The mag release is easy enough to reach as is the slide release. And unlike the M&P 45C I tested a few months back, the slide release actually works. What about those grips? Well I have smaller hands and they’re just fine. Those with huge meat hooks might overwhelm it, and if you have tiny hands you might find it too big. No changeable backstraps here, though, so try before you buy.

Now about that trigger. It’s problematic for two reasons. First, there’s its enormously long travel. Second, it finally breaks at around 8.5 lbs. It’s a long way to go, and weaker shooters will be shaking by the time they get it to go bang. I put about 50 rounds downrange before my forearms started aching. That’s when I called Apex and had them send a spring replacement kit. Factor an extra $20 plus shipping into the cost of the gun and you can rock on down the road with a still long, but very manageable six pound trigger pull.


The SD9 VE is intrinsically accurate, but not practically so. I managed group sizes of just a few inches at 7 yards that really started to open up as the firing rate increased. That little quirk is naturally, thanks to the craptastic trigger. Again, fix the trigger and this is a very capable gun for the entry level pistolero.


This gun has been satisfyingly boring on the reliability front. Like Oprah, it doesn’t matter what I feed it, she eats everything. I really wish I had a cool story to tell y’all about double feeds or stovepipes, but I don’t. Dead nuts reliable. I might do an extended test and soak it in motor oil or salt water or pack it with sand to see if I can get it to jam. If so, I’ll let you know.


The VE is just a good all around gun. Happy as a range toy, concealed carry piece, or “extra” gun around the house/vehicle. In fact, this is probably going to be my recommendation for someone who wants to get their feet wet with gun ownership. It may be a tad large for summertime carry, but for winter carry with a jacket, you’d be good to go. Or, keep it in your vehicle or nightstand. Hell, for the money you’d spend on a quality 1911, you can keep one in your vehicle and one in your nightstand.

Available Aftermarket Options

From what I’ve read, it appears that Galco, Fobus, and DeSantis are making hoslters for the SD9 VE. Extra mags will cost you $41.82 from S&W. Ouch. It also has a picatinny rail for lasers, lights, and all manner of tacticool doodads. I should also mention that Apex makes a spring kit to fix that nasty trigger issue. Have I mentioned it? Okay, perfect.

Favorite Feature

The VE is a well made budget firearm. Its cheap to buy and cheap to run.

Least Favorite Feature

That nasty-ass trigger. Get if fixed before you fire the first shot.

Specifications: Smith and Wesson SD9 VE
Caliber: 9mm
Capacity: 16+1
Action: Striker Fired Action
Barrel Length: 4″ / 10.2 cm
Front Sight: White Dot
Rear Sight: Fixed 2-Dot
Overall Length: 7.2″ / 18.3 cm
Width: 1.29″ / 3.3 cm
Weight: 22.7 oz. / 643 g
Frame Material: Polymer
Slide Material: Stainless Steel
Barrel Material: Stainless Steel
MSRP $379. (Local Shop: $330)

Ratings (out of five stars):

Appearance, Fit and Finish:  * * * * 
I’m dinging a star for stamped sheet metal parts and the plastic guide rod. At this price point, though, you can’t have all the things you want, and I get that. But you still can’t bring pieces like that to the table and hope for a five star rating. Otherwise, fit and finish was superb.

Ease of Use: * * * * *
All the control are where they are supposed to be and function they way they should.

Ease of Disassembly: * * * *
You have to do a little sleight of hand to rock the slide back and disengage the takedown tabs. I’d prefer the same system the M&P uses, but again, cost wins out.

Handling: * * * * *
Five stars through and through. The VE is a natural pointer, and feels very comfortable in my mitts.

Accuracy: * * *
Bench rest accuracy is superb, but overall “combat” accuracy sucks thanks to the terrible trigger.

Reliability: * * * * *
I can’t seem to make it fail

Customize This: * * * 
$40+ for magazines! Yeesh. Otherwise, your standard fare applies. A couple holsters out there and a rail to mount stuff on. Some internet forums claim that you can mount M&P sights if you want glow in the dark or high viz additions.

Overall Rating: * * * *
Writing for TTAG has made me kind of a snob when it comes to firearms. I wouldn’t be caught dead with a Freedom Group Marlin, and I damn sure won’t be hoisting a Hi Point anytime soon. But the SD9 VE brought me down a notch. Here’s a dead nuts reliable gun that’s a pleasure to shoot for a touch over three bones. It has one glaring flaw in the trigger — but that’s easily remedied for $20. At that price, you really can’t afford not to buy one. Or four. I’m impressed and I hope the SD9 VE is a big seller for Smith & Wesson.


About Tyler Kee

Tyler Kee is a small town kid trying to make it in the big city of Austin, TX. A salesman by day, he is an avid motorcyclist and aspiring chef out of the office.

152 Responses to Gun Review: Smith & Wesson SD9 VE

  1. avatarKvjavs says:

    Good review. My only gripe is they got rid of the all black model and slapped VE on the end… but at about $80 cheaper locally, I can live with two tone. Just not my bag of jerky is all.

    • avatarBrice says:

      The $80 difference is the loss of the tritium from night sight. I owned this pistol for about 3 months. Just long enough to realize that I’m not fond of plastic guns at all. The bonus is, that the slide uses the same dovetails as an M&P, so you can put whatever sights on it you want.

  2. avatarJoshinGA says:

    While I dont dispute that the SD9 is probably a fine budget pistol, if you can wait until you save another $100 or so the M&P is (IMHO) a huge step up from the SD9. But if you’re only willing to spend ~$300, then the SD series is a great option. And, S&W customer service is top notch.

    • avatarDukester says:

      There’s one of you “save another $100 or so” guys in every crowd. Budget means budget. Not everyone can afford a $500-$600 M&P otherwise the SD’s wouldn’t exist.

      • avatarJoshinGA says:

        As I said, if you only want a $300 pistol, SD9 is a fine choice. If you just dont know anything about firearms, Im saying spending an extra $100 will get you a pistol with less downsides. Also, I got my M&P for ~$450 total in my LGS. SD9 is ~$389 at my LGS. Its worth the upgrade IMHO, and worth the wait if you have to save up for it.

        So its a tradeoff: If you’re buying the gun to sit in a bedside table, maybe its not worth $100 to you to upgrade to an M&P. If you want a gun that is enjoyable to shoot at the range on a monthly basis, then maybe consider saving up that extra $100.

        • avatarJim says:

          That adds nothing here. The review was of an SD9. Do you really think you’re enlightening us all about the existence of the M&P’s? There is always some FLAME DELETED suggesting people save up for the next level of whatever is being discussed. Sounds to me that you just want people to know you have an M&P.

        • avatarJoshinGA says:

          Well, the SD9 is the step below the M&P, so applicable to compare the two? I think so.

        • avatarDuke says:

          stop saying IMHO. Of course it is your opinion. That is why you said it. Also the “honest” part is ridiculous as well. Are you implying that some of your opinions are dishonest? How is that if they are your own opinion.

        • avatarCarl says:

          I’m surprised by the prices you quote on the 2 guns. Where I live, I can get the SD for 299.00 easy but the M&P will run me just over $500.00 ($519.00 is the cheapest I’ve seen it). Would I prefer the M&P? You damn betcha I would. Can I justify the $200 difference in price? That I’m going to have to think about.

      • avatarJim R says:

        Not everyone WANTS to spend $500 to $600 on a S&W M&P. I want a reliable, striker fired pistol for a very reasonable price and I’m willing to give up some features to attain that goal. I believe I got just what I was looking for in the SP9 VE. I like this pistol, and it’s price so much that I’m planning on buying another in .40 caliber; but, if the price ever goes over $320 then I’ll likely look for something else.
        In addition, when spending $500 to $600 on a pistol I’m not looking at S&W, but that’s another topic for another day!

        • avatarJohn Hope says:

          Yup! I totally agree. If i get in the 600-700 range im getting a Sig, FN or a H&K if i can find a steal on one. All are just flat out better quality guns than a Glock or an M&P!!!

      • avatarPhillip Lamb says:

        So, I dumped my HiPoint and got a SD9VE just so somebody can tell me I should have spent another 100.00?

        • avatarJim R. says:

          Hey Phillip Lamb,

          I know what you mean! Some days you can’t win!

          JR (Still lovin’ my SD9 VE)

    • avatarChris says:

      I’ll 2nd that. The MP is a lot more gun per buck, even for $100 more. I get to shoot my brother’s MP40 once in a while, and love it.

      • avatarJim says:

        While the M&P’ are nice, I have no doubt that the SD9 can match the M&P9 round for round in both reliability and accuracy. A lot of The “more gun” you refer to is superficial.

        • avatarJoshinGA says:

          For $100 you get better looks (superficially better, but hey, Im a slut for a good looking gun), a better factory trigger, interchangeable backstraps to help better fit the gun to you, I prefer the sig-style takedown of the M&P over the Glock-style of the SD9, better trigger reset, and 1 more round (in 9mm).

  3. avatarjwm says:

    My sigma has been great. You pointed out the fault with these budget smiths. The mags ain’t budget friendly.

    Are the mags interchangeable between the sigma and the sd?

    • avatarjlottmc says:

      Why yes, yes they are. I have the all black, with the tritium front sight (forget the model) SD40, and most of the Sigma parts interchange just fine. By the way, after several hundred rounds the trigger does get a little lighter, and less gritty. I may look into the spring kit for mine, however.

      • avatarJay W. says:

        I installed the APEX spring kit in my all black SD9 at the beginning of the year and the kit is worth every penny.

    • avatarJohn says:

      yes they are, i sold my sigma and still had two mags and when i bought the new sd9 they fit and worked perfect.

  4. avatarAharon says:

    OT sorry, it’s too funny to miss:

    Black Panther wanna be undergrad Eric Holder looking his best and acting true to character. Great haircut :)

    As college student, Eric Holder participated in ‘armed’ takeover of former Columbia University ROTC office

  5. avatarJon R. says:

    Good review, love to hear about great budget guns. Can we get a review of the SIG SP2022 next? I hear its the best budget gun EVER! I’d like to get TTAG’s version of it.

    • avatarAlex says:

      My first handgun was a 9mm Sigma. Traded that for a CZ75, then GP100; now I have a Sig 2022. In my opinion the 2022 trigger blows every other similar-priced SA/DA trigger out of the water. I’ve shot quite a few handguns and the Sig is in general one of the best feeling, best shooting of them all. This past weekend I was checking out a 226 (just handled, never shot) at a FFL; and price difference aside, I can’t decide which I like better. To me there is no question about it, I bought my 2022 new for about $440 and it’s the best handgun I’ve used.

      • avatarDuke says:

        Gross ass hammer fired guns. Get yourself an M&P and quit clowning around. SIG is an overpriced boat anchor.

    • avatarJohn says:

      I have the sigma and love them for the price, but im a 1911 guy myself and its also my duty weapon of choice, the sig 2022 is hard to shoot in my opinion, but my Sgt. loves it so its really a case by case and shooter to shooter, everyone can handle different guns better it just comes down to what you are proficient with. I would recommend going to a range where you can try out different guns and see what you like and are good with before investing.

  6. avatarmlk18 says:

    I have both the old SD9 and the new SD9VE and BOTH have Apex spring kits installed (Hey S&W, if you’re reading this just make it like that from the factory!). But I also took the time to highly polish all internal moving parts. What I ended up with was a fairly long but VERY smooth trigger. After a few thousand rounds through my SD9, my pull gauge says it breaks at approx. 5.25lbs (avg of 3 pulls). For the price nothing else compares.

  7. avatarWildWest says:

    I made my entry into handgun ownership this weekend. And the SD9 was my purchase. I’ve been a novice but interested (if not regretfully irregular) shooting enthusiast for years now. I could simply not justify the purchase of a Glock, M&P, Sig; as great as those guns may be. I don’t shoot enough to justify the expense. I did want a defensive handgun for my home.

    Today I put my new gun through its paces and did the practice drills the local range would allow me to do (no quick firing allowed). The controls are nice, I like the way it feels in the hand, It was very comfortable to shoot. At 15 meters my groupings were 7 inches on 50 rounds. I didn’t think this was poor for a brand new handgun straight out of the box. At 7.5 meters my groupings are a ragged 4 inch hole on 50 rounds. I actually PREFER the 7.8 pound trigger over the lighter triggers. Mine is a bit gritty, I plan to polish that up a bit, but I desire the heavier trigger pull. If I ever pull that trigger because I need to, rather than want to, I want to be darned certain that it is only when I mean to.

    In all, I shot 500 rounds today. Everything from Winchester white box to some cheep walmart fmj. I did shoot 50 rounds of Corbon JHP and Hornady Critical Defense.

    Even in the one handed and left handed drills I shot straight, had zero malfunctions, and the only reason I am not still at the range is I did eventually need to go to work.

    The gun works flawlessly, and it may not be as fancy, or as pretty or have the wing dings the other more expensive guns do. And, I can afford hundreds of rounds of FMJ to practice and train myself with that had I spent more money on a more expensive handgun I would not be doing. (one reason I chose 9mm over .40 SW)

    **Also, look around for magazines, they can be found for the $32.00 neighborhood. I picked up extras at the gun show.**

    • avatarPascal says:

      Congrats on your new ownership. If you are new to this, then the groupings may be just from lack of practice. Being a new to you gun should not matter if you where not rapid firing.

      You have a very legit reason for your purchase and it all makes sense. That gun can do better. But, just to contrast, I took a new Glock 21 Gen 4 out on Sunday and did sub 3″ groups at the same distance. Paying more “sometimes” gives you more but NOT always.

      That said, enjoy your purchase make sure you keep practicing. if you have never dissabled a firearm and worked on before, I suggest you have a local gunsmith polish up the action for you. As an armorer I have seen a lot of problem guns because someone over did what they were trying to do.

      • avatarWildWest says:

        My groupings were entirely from shooting error. I fully know that. Because I either have had to borrow, or rent (usually rent) to shoot, I have only been shooting a few hundred handgun rounds a year or so. And 15 meters is a long pistol shot for a defensive training. In a month, I’ll have put hundreds of more rounds of experience in and I’ll be a better user.

        As for the handgun. It worked perfectly for my needs. It handled even poor left handed technique quite nicely.

  8. avatargimlet says:

    Nice review Tyler. I especially like the tactile “pad” they put on the SD9′s frame for the index finger. Went with the M&P9c for my first handgun (still carry it regularly), but having more well-built and economical options available benefits everyone.

  9. avatarRalph says:

    It’s a gen-u-wine made in the USA Smith & Wesson for the price of a made in Brazil Taurus, and with an Apex kit it will shoot rings around the Sigma. What’s not to like. Nice choice, Tyler, and a nice write-up.

  10. avatarJim says:

    I have the all Black SD9. Who can tell me what they did different with the SD9 VE aside from the stainless slide?

    • avatarWildWest says:

      They eliminated the front night sight. And now it comes in a cardboard box. Mechanically it functions with all of the same parts.

      • avatarJim says:

        Mine came in a cardboard box too. I can’t believe that front night sight is the $70.00 difference. I wonder where else they went cheap.

  11. avatarGyufygy says:

    I’m going to pull on a Nomex firesuit as soon as I finish this, but I’m not trying to be a troll. What differences does a Glock 17 or 19 bring to cost $200-250 more? Nicer trigger is obvious, but what else? Actually curious to find out what the differences in price mean.

    For the record, I own a Glock 19 Gen 4.

    • avatarJoshinGA says:

      The name “Glock”?

    • avatarjwm says:

      Gyufygy. I’m an ofwg that’s retired. my house is paid for and I have no debt. I tell you this to illustrate a point. I can afford top end firearms. But I’m also a practical man. I look at 2 guns for the same job and one is near double the price of the other, guess which one I’m buying.

      In my case the Sigma actually fits my hand better than a glock and has been just as reliable, the most important atrribute of a self defense gun, so I can’t justify the 250 more for a glock.

      The only reason I didn’t buy the .380 Bersa was I didn’t want to add another more expensive round to my logistics. I already have the 9×18 Makarov.

    • avatarLil' Mike says:

      Not much. The original SIGMA was almost a dead nuts copy of the Glock machine. There is little difference if any as to field performance between the two The SD9VE is an upgraded SIGMA compare to a Gen 3 Glock.
      They even use the same holsters.

    • avatarWes Wright says:

      Comparing an SD40VE to an M&P Pro, the two biggest things that jump out at me are the type of polymer used in the frame (the SD is shinier and slicker), and the slide has no finish (the SD is straight up stainless). M&P slides have a super hard nitride type finish, same type as the Glock. Trigger pull is much different, as already noted. The back strap on the SD is fixed, as opposed to the M&P/Glock Gen 4′s removable back straps.

      You definitely get more gun for your money with a Glock or M&P, but I do like the SD’s. As long as the reliability holds, I’m hoping they are a great seller for S&W.

  12. avatarjfoster says:

    I decided to purchase my first handgun last November and being the first had no idea what I wanted. I chose the Sigma for 3 reasons. Price, comfort and I not wanting to make a mistake on a $600 plus investment. I polished up the trigger mechanism with a dremel and have had zero issues. Now, I’d really like a P226.

  13. avatarVT Patriot says:

    Had my 9VE for a few years now, and when I got it, it came with a hard case and 2 mags. The trigger was awful, felt like raw sandpaper inside. After finally tracking where it was rough, (in the back of the receiver) it was a short job to find and polish the affected parts. Much improved. Next, the spring kit and it’ll be perfect. One happy owner.

  14. avatarLeon says:

    Great review!
    Thanks for listening to our requests for reviews of guns priced for regular guys.

  15. avatarBad Matt says:

    One of TTAG best reviews. Who wants another review of a Sig or a Glock? There’s no point. But this review looked at an inexpensive off-beat gun, identified its flaws and pointed out an inexpensive fix. That was interesting. Keep it up and maybe Sig and Glock will cut the fat out if their prices. Great review!

  16. avatarMoe Meatpickle says:

    I just got the SD9 and my friend has the previous model Sig. The guns eat everything put through them except something called S&B Luger, it has red stuff around the primer. Both of our issues is the clips are nearly impossible to load the 16th round and if we do, it does’nt want to go up into the gun and lock the clip in. Does anyone have an idea what’s up? Oh! Has anyone tried a forward mount grip on the rail?

    • avatarChris Dumm says:

      If you’re thinking of putting a vertical foregrip on the Pic-rail, don’t do it. It will convert your handgun into an NFA-regulated ‘Any Other Weapon’ which requires a tax stamp. If you really want to do it, have an SOT manufacturer attach it for you, so you won’t have to pay the manufacturing tax yourself.

      But just don’t do it (even if you’re discreetly shooting with your buddies on the back 40 of someone’s private property) because it’s also really unsafe. A typical polymer handgun’s pic-rails aren’t strong enough to handle the stress of a vertical foregrip. They tend to snap off at the most inconvenient moments, and you don’t want your hand or fingers near the muzzle when that happens. One of the hidden dangers of *really* short SBRs is that it’s way too easy to get your support hand forward of the muzzle. One of my buddies was a half-second away from shooting off his left index finger that way.

      If you absolutely must have an AOW, build it on an H&K SP-89 or Ingram/Masterpiece Arms platform, or anything else with a fore-end strong enough to securely mount that vertical grip. And mount it far enough back that you can’t extend your fingers past the muzzle.

    • avatarLil' Mike says:

      The “red stuff” is waterproof sealant.

  17. avatarAntiG says:

    Thanks for the review. I’ve had mine for about a month. Love the feel, hate the trigger, loved the price (which I could have saved more if I had gone to that consumer horror show called Cabela’s. Only time I’ve seen it jam was when Da Wife shot it with her little paws. Working on that problem (maybe slower ammo will help), but ordered the trigger spring kit (thanks again) to see how things work out. Oh..I polished things in mine before even firing it, so the trigger is hard, but smooth. Also only get 15 rounds in the mags. No friggin way they’ll take 16 and still work.

  18. avatarBob Clark says:

    I often read, but rarely comment, on these sites, however I couldn’t resist this time after reading the other comments. For the sake of establishing my sense of reality I’ll start with my credentials – I’m a Viet Nam era (old) Ranger/LRRP (8 1/2 years) – retired State Trooper – and own more handguns and long-guns than I can count. For years I’ve been listening to the tired discussions about the benefits of owning expensive, boutique handguns. Folks, to each their own, but when someone extols the virtues of a well made handgun that didn’t mean the owner hand to mortgage the farm, I get a warm fuzzy feeling! I’ve watched the cost climb on some of these weapons for no apparent reason other than the name scratched on the slide – and yet people keep shelling it out. I had the chance to try out the SD9 and I WAS IMPRESSED! Sure the trigger pull is a bit rank, but, as Tyler pointed out, there’s a cheap fix. I can speak from experience that when I’ve had to resort to my sidearm in the heat of battle (albeit a GI 1911) trigger pull just don’t matter – you won’t even think about it gang. What really matters when used in self-defense is that it’s gonna go bang – repeatedly! In my opinion the SD9 fits the need very well, and you “still own the farm”. Kudos to S&W for a very serviceable sidearm. Now I’m gonna go back to my AARP Magazine.

  19. avatarJohn Pickett says:

    Well said SIR!! Thanks for everything you have done for me and OUR country.

  20. avatarJohn Bryan says:

    Is the Freedom Group Marlin comment supposed to be about the rumor that George Soros is connected to Cerberus/Freedom Group? That’s been debunked by various groups – NRA & for example. Unless TTAG has additional information saying otherwise…

  21. avatarWildBillCody says:

    Just got this gun about 10 days ago. Took it straight outta the box, setup my target on a tree behind the pasture, loaded 5 rounds – and from 20 yards had 3 of 5 bullseyes, one-handed, rapid fire 5 rounds. I dig it. (Note: I have not fired a handgun since we shot the .45′s back in the Navy – I think the last year I did that was 2005 so I am pretty happy with 3 bull’s)

    I needed something to keep in my truck that was not a boatload of money, but i could rely on – and so far all i can say is i dig it. I did 15 years Navy and was used to the .45, but I like the 9mm because it is lighter, more compact and easier to conceal & carry. I am going to the range this Saturday and will update, but for what i am looking for, this is exactly that – low cost, quality made 9mm peace-keeper.

  22. avatarEnsitu says:

    So you think that “packing it in motor oil” causes jamming issues with semi-autos?
    You sir are indeed an expert!

    • avatarRob W. says:

      You people that pick apart peoples comments…like was done to Joshinga’s are like a bunch of old ladies.

  23. avatarLil' Mike says:

    I love mine. It compares well with higher priced guns and is more reliable than most of the right out of the box. 16 rds of firepower is nothing to sneeze at. As to the trigger. You get used to it. Sure it could be smoother but in a combat pistol you won’t know the difference if the Goblins come.
    I also find that it conceals really really well in the right holster. I use a Bulldog Leather belt slide [$26 on Amazon] and i don’t even know it is there and no one else does either.
    It is a great pistol and a fine bargain all things considered. Accurate and reliable in the extreme. I had a SIGMA 40 and liked it too. Never a jam or failure to fire. Accurate as you are. What more can you ask of any pistol.

  24. avatarMoe Meatpickle says:

    Am I the only person in the USA that can’t get the sixteenth round in the mag? I’ve left two clips loaded for 6mnths hoping in one hand and wishing in the other, that it may take some tension out of the spring. Even when I get the 16 in the mag, it will not go up into the gun and lock.

    • avatarIan says:

      Mine were very difficult too – the 16th round – but after a while it freed up. After keeping a mags fully loaded (16 rounds) and having them sit there if eventually got smoother. The pistol is very tight when new. After having mine for over a year with no issues, I still prefer to keep only 14 or 15 rounds in the mag because it simply makes racking the slide easier. And hey, if you ever need to, trust me, 14 should be enough to get out of a rough situation.

      • avatarRuger357man says:

        It’s a little tight but will go in should loosen up a little as you use it. As far as the trigger goes. I don’t have a problem with it . You get use to it.

  25. avatarcraig says:

    Why doesn’t S&W just ship these guns with the above mentioned trigger job rather than have less than favorable reviews? Who wouldn’t gladly spend an extra 20 bucks and be good to go. Don’t get it!

  26. avatarTim Diesel says:

    Wanted to thank you, Tyler, and Bob Clark for your reviews on this gun. Travel for a living and am new to guns. Been visiting several gun shops throughout the U.S. over the last several months and had it narrowed down to this gun and a couple of others. Being that I am new to guns I was not wanting to break the bank, however, get the best gun for the money at the same time. You don’t know how much this review helped me finalize my decision and put it on layway at my local gun shop today. Before the evening is out I plan on buying the aftermarket trigger and will have that installed along with the recommended parts polished before I leave the store with the gun in the next few months. Wanted to tell you both that although in this world there are people that feel they must be negative in every aspect of life, this was exactly what I’ve been looking for and wanted you guys to have some positive feedback. Looking forward to shooting it soon and taking a concealed permit class in future. Thanks again!

  27. avatarAryanAssassin says:

    let me add some profound perspective: bang, bang, bang…and still banging!

  28. avatarTim Diesel says:

    Wanted to let everyone know how my first time out with my purchase went. After purchasing I immediately brought the gun to our local gun smith and had the Apex aftermarket trigger kit installed and parts polished as suggested in the comments. My first time out today, the third round jammed, off of that put about 75 rounds thru it with no issues. Trigger was very nice and gun’s accuracy was very impressive for the buck! Very happy with my purchase. Would recommend gun with trigger job to anyone wanting to be in a gun at a reasonable price. Feel I have a lot of value for the money!

    • avatarCharles solomon says:

      who needs the $110.00 apex trigger job done??? with a couple of squirts from my CRC150 Power Lube for Break In, My SD9VE works Perfectly…Lovin’ It.I am hoping S&W will put a manual safety on it.

  29. avatarBlameitonthetrigger says:

    “That little quirk is naturally, thanks to the craptastic trigger. Again, fix the trigger and this is a very capable gun for the entry level pistolero.”

    Interesting, I have the 1st gen SD9 and have no problems maintaining decent groups nor any issues with the trigger. It’s a self-defense gun, not a match 1911. Perhaps you’re the “entry level pistolero” that you just so happen to be recommending the gun for, or your delicate little index finger can’t handle it…possibly both.

  30. avatarWes Wright says:

    We have had several of these through our shop in the last few months. I haven’t had a chance to actually shoot one, but I have certainly handled them endlessly. You can really see the difference in the frame polymer compared to an M&P, But they seem pretty good for a $350 handgun, and with a spring kit to make the trigger better, they definitely seem like a fine purchase.

    Thanks for the review, Tyler!

  31. avatarNelson Martinez says:

    Hi Tyler:
    I appreciate your review. As an owner of a recently purchased SD9VE, I can agree with you except on one thing: You (and many other writers) make too much of an issue on trigger pull. You’re an expert in the gun category and have had the opportunity to use guns with lighter triggers. So you do have a basis for comparison. Remember that this (SD9VE) is a basic, personal defense weapon without a safety. It is design for protection, but also it’s a great weapon for those individuals with limited gun experience. The trigger pull is a safety consideration, especially in a situation where adrenalin may cause the owner with a twitchy finger to accidentally discharge the weapon. There is no need to spend money trigger pull modification as it voids the gun’s intent: premature firing! Yes, it does have a somewhat lengthy pull, but it’s nothing that detracts from the gun or a concern the shooter can’t deal with by shooting a box out on the range. It takes time to learn the “quirks and personality” of any gun. After practicing with it, I don’t even take the trigger pull into consideration at all. Again, by changing the trigger pull you defeat the gun’s original purpose. If a person wants a lighter trigger pull, then consideration to another gun is the better option. As it is, the SD9VE is quite a value. Like you, I have shot every type of ammo with no misfeeds or jams, accurate, and dependable. Indeed, although a bit too big for carry, it’s the type of gun for the vehicle, boat, woods, and especially for the home. Economically priced ($319 at The Academy) you won’t shed tears if it’s lost. It would be a shame to change the gun as it is. In its stock condition, trigger pull and all, it’s the best bang for the buck. What’s that they say: “If it ain’t broke…”
    PS: I’m 82ABN/Special Forces Vet

    • avatarmikey @ says:

      thank you sir for your service first. and you insight second ! I have this weapon in my home for my wife. I know handguns well. I also own many high end firearms. but because of the trigger I bought this firearm! I’m not in a hurry to shoot anyone ,nor is she.everone seems to want faster these day, phones,cars,internet speed,extra…on and on I think that’s how the nation got so far from god! speed reading the bible! it’s good to know there is guys like you out there that took the time to study the gun and safety came to your mind . not how fast I can shoot. my hats off to you sir. thanks mikey

  32. avatarTony Burnett says:

    I too am a Vietnam era veteran and there are two things that the negative posts bother me with. When your adrenaline is pumping you will not notice the long trigger pull. In fact a short light trigger pull causes you to fire prematurely. Many cops complain of the Glocks doing this. Also, if you can’t get the 16th round in, you are a weakling. Finally, I would be willing to bet the only experience the people that dog this gun have had, is in video games and they have never been in a true gunfight. In a gunfight only two things matter and this gun has both. Accuracy and the ability to go bang bang bang without fail.

  33. avatarMike Stone says:

    What Tony said +1.

  34. avatarray rudi says:

    sd9ve out performs my glock 19 getting rid of my glock sd9ve much better

  35. avatarbill rudy says:

    I have a Taurus 9mm its ok .recently bought an sd9ve .fired 400 rounds without any sd9ve is a much superior weapon than my Taurus trigger pull is not as bad as a lot of comments that I have read I will keep my sd9ve I don’t know about my taurus


  37. avatarAustin says:

    What about this pistol in a .40 cal? Good idea? Bad idea? Not necessary?

  38. avatarKevin says:

    Great review. Irish setters do not point, they “set”…just to be accurate – and since pointing was your point, maybe German Shorthair or English POINTER would have worked a little better. Keep on blogging.


  39. avatarBill says:

    I have the sd9 and it a great gun my best friend it goes where I go sleeps with me I get wet play in mud ride quads dirty dusty rain an it has never failed me not one time it gets wet I take a rag wipe the water goes back on my side ready to go it jammed one time and that was in the second timed I pulled the trigger show me anyother gun that will stand up to me and I will buy it but you’ll never find me a gun that will even a six shooter won’t stand up to this gun you al have a great day buy this gun you’ll llve it I do

  40. avatarJohn Hope says:

    I have owned pistols from $150-$200 range all the way up to $2500. Wide array, you name it. At $319 at Academy Sports I was expecting a gun that was a C grade gun at best. Just something to knock around with at the range and beat the shit out of so I dont have to get my nice revolvers and higher priced Sig’s or 1911′s scratched up. Well to my suprize I got a steal!!! This gun is not all that bad AT ALL. Trigger job made it fantastic, which I was not expecting. Its one thing to expect quality and be let down, and another to expect a decent gun and get a really good gun. I have the sd40ve. Never the less, ignore the “cheap” price. Great gun for a beginner or an advanced shooter who just wants another gun to have around “just in case”. WILL I carry this gun…no. WOULD I carry this gun…..absolutely!!! Its going to take a pretty good gun to replace my Ruger SP101 2.25 inch with new trigger job and MePro sights, but on a rainy day I might just throw this one in the glove box. Shoots strait, feels better in hand than Glock (yes I said that), and saves you $200-$300 compared to other Polymer pistols with similar design and function. Smith and Wesson simply produce so many different guns that they could afford to take a chance on a cheaply manufactured gun and not raise the price way up to help margins….they are Smith and Wesson….they can afford to take a chance and at the same time undercut thier compitition on price for a gun that is just a little below in quality (but not much). Smart move on Smith and Wesson’s part and smart business to have a pistol out there like this. I bet they are very pleased and I can see someone looking at a Glock, and M&P and this and choosing this to save money. So they dont lose out cause they are still sticking with S&W. Very good gun, very good price. Period

  41. avatarHank Locker says:

    Add me to the list of people who don’t see an issue with the trigger on this piece, but my other carry gun is a Sig P290RS, and that trigger gets a lot of negative press as well. My SD9VE has shot everything I’ve put in it, and that was quite an assortment. I’ve experienced no issues with the 16th round, but maybe using an Uplula is considered cheating. Magazine loads fine and cartridge chambers fine on my piece. Maybe someday I’ll have the extra 2 bills to get a Glock or whatever else non-SD9VE owners are touting, but for the nonce this gun is serving me well.

  42. I purchased this pistol for my wife. She
    said it was to big for her hands. I ended up buying her a Bersa UC 9mm Pro.
    I inherited the S&W SD9VE. I liked it so much I bought another and call them the twins. :) excellent review.

  43. avatarTy3930 says:

    I’m a geezer who was raised with a weapon in my hand. 20 years ago I sold all of them because I had an unexpected son in my early 40′s (still can’t recall how that happened). Anyway, bought this pistol in the spring….my first ever semi-auto….but only began firing it recently…..and shortly after I added a Glock 21 Gen 4 to my paltry collection. Being an old revolver guy who opted for SA when I needed to hit something, this pistol caused me problems for 2 mags. I don’t hate it, but it is cumbersome compared to the 21′s trigger. I will say, however, it breaks down easily and goes bang flawlessly. There’s much to be said for that.

  44. avatarjohn t yanc says:

    have owned 3 glocks and much prefer the s&w sigma. does have a long trigger pull but works every time. it fits my hand great and after practice have become quite accurate with it. i think its all personal preference. i like it! its no sig sauer but a great gun..

  45. avatarLarry says:

    I own a few pistols price range from 295-2200. I have a SD40Ve that’s 3years old. It’s had 2100 rounds through it. No problems No warranty returns. Just as accurate as any of the other pistols i own more in some cases. The only one feels even close to being as comfortable in the hand is my Kimber commander and my Colt 1911. All Triggers in all pistols are different. So get off the “Bad” trigger business. Sometimes when people spend to much for something. They feel the need to cut down something that may have cost them less money that performs as well. I used to think that myself !

  46. avatarJack says:

    I just ordered the last SD9VE I could find online. I can’t wait to try it. I also have an S&W 642 on order and have to agree on a few comments here. The heavy trigger is an intentional design of the gun to counteract the lack of a physical safety. Be careful with modifications if this will be in a nightstand, you wouldn’t want to shoot a sleeping family member through the wall in a groggy accidental discharge. Stay safe all.

  47. avatarAL Rios says:

    This pistol is exactly a copy of the GLOCK pistol,. GLOCK took S&W to court …and for each one of the S&W sold … Glock makes 8.00 dollars on each one

  48. avatarCharles Solomon says:

    We have been waiting to buy an SD9 or 40 VE marketed here in califarcia. The sacracmento politicos are demanding the SD9 or 40 Ve be “california compliant” PLUS Pay the alien leach loving governor jerry moonbeam demands of $50,000 to list the SD on the “california approved gun list”. So Here we Are Waiting for this interesting Pistol hoping governor moonbeam and his trained apes in the sacramento legislature will relent and allow S&W to market this fine low cost pistol here for people to enjoy and be protected with.

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  50. avatarNick Roby says:

    I really can’t complain about this gun. I got it for 289 at academy and it been a pretty solid gun

  51. avatarTony Williams says:

    A reliable, full sized, entry level, full power pistol for less than $300 (gunbroker) what’s not to like? The trigger fix is a good idea for the experienced or inexperienced. As far as the many and varied “comparisons” in this thread, the Springfield XD (not M) can be had for under $400, and is as good as, in every respect, the M&P ($500+) or the Glock ($500+).

  52. avatarCharlie says:

    Academy has this gun on sale RIGHT NOW for 299.99

  53. avatarNick says:

    I have the forty and have fired over 300 rounds through it. I have the apex trigger kit installed bringing the pull down to 5.5lbs+/-. The pull is very much like a double action revolver. I love it! It’s long but smooth. I easily fire groups under 1 inch at 20 feet. The clip works well and the action cycles flawlessly with 14 rounds plus one in the chamber. I’m not looking for anything else for home defense. Great job S&W.

    • avatarTracy says:

      Now that you have the Apex spring kit and like your pistol more you should go to the next step. I also installed the Apex Action Enhancement Trigger (40 bucks) to go with that lighter trigger pull. It is a Glock style trigger that reduces the length of trigger travel and improves trigger reset. I also installed and recomend the Galloway Precision stainless steel guide rod and recoil spring kit (35 bucks). With the cost of these upgrades I am at 422.00 for the total cost of my SD9ve, taxes, shipping and all. I have tried to like the Glock 19 more than my S&W and just can’t. The Glock 19 needs an aftermarket trigger job too, (IMO), the ergomonics suck compared to the SD and the cost of mine is still much less. I personally wouldn’t own an M&P either. I don’t like them. The SD9 impressed me enough to make it the first tupperware gun that I have ever owned. I like steel, aluminum alloy and 1911 triggers. But I am now carrying a SD9ve every day and like it really good for what it is.

  54. avatarMack says:

    I appreciate this product review. I bought one of the Academy 299.99 guns on the 15th. and am very happy. I had been looking at the m&p and sr9. It was hard to get beyond the low price as being inferior. Discussions like this helped me forgo the marketing hype. Thanks.
    The jury is out for me on changing the trigger. I’ll do a little polishing and shoot it a while before crossing that bridge.
    Thanks to all the service men and women as well as law enforcement folks. I hope to never need to defend others or myself using deadly force, but, want to be ready and resolved to take action when necessary. I enjoy shooting and like guns. I’m glad to own a S&W and an American made product.

  55. avatarBeetzmee says:

    I own both the Sigma’s in 9mm and 40, the ve (All black in 9) and this version in 9 as well. Regardless of what people say, this is the most underrated firearm on the market. Even the originals were work horses, just not pretty. And yes, the triggers are tiresome…until you get used to them….even the originals softened up a bit after 500 rounds or so….they are functional. No frills, basic, practical and they go bang every single time. I ROUTINELY mix loads in the same mag to see if I can get this to jam. All 5 models.

    Nope, can’t happen. These things eat whatever I feed them due to the generous feed tolerances between magazine, tilted barrel and throat. No issues whatsoever. I’m not touting these over others. I can tell you that these have performed flawlessly. And now, for the fun part.

    In 2010 I bought the original blocky Sigma’s in 9mm and 40. I paid 279 and 250 respectively…new….I caught the 40 at the absolute bottom of the market before the black model ve came in….on a whim, in 2011 I bought the 9mm (black version) with front night sight and slightly improved trigger…more rounded and ergonomic…conceals better and holds 16 plus 1. Not bad for a mid-sized firearm. I’v since purchased the 9mm in the latest version…same as the black, just stainless and polymer….coin toss….the black one was the most expensive…339….I saw the ve’s on sale last week for 289….

    Bottom line, there is simply NO other gun this good, for this price. If you only had money for one gun, this would be it….on another note, that none of the gun snobs talk about, the Taurus tcp 380….best, most concealable and smoothest trigger of the pocket 380′s and no hardly gives it a mention…it disappears in your pocket, has six and one, slide locks to the rear after the last shot (how about that ruger), and comes with two mags if you buy the package, one if you don’t. Cost? 199 plus tax. CAN’T beat it and it WORKS…wonderfully. I have one in .32 and .380. get the basic blue, by an extra mag for 20 bucks…add the pearce extension if you care for 10 bucks more….great pocket semi for the summer and shorts…NO ONE will know you have it…..

    That’s it…two great guns that are often overlooked. I own 8, 9mm pistols..a hi-power, tarus pt-111, the smiths, kel-tec, Sig 2022, glock GEN 1, ruger SR9 (great ergos on this one), and and old smith and Wesson 6409?..fat chunk of high quality steel…..this sigma/ve is one of my favorites…it’s a no b.s. gun for around 300 bucks and it works, every time.

    Semper Fi,

  56. avatarbob says:

    Remove thw NY pigtail spring. Add hogue grips. enjoy.

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  61. avatarTracy says:

    Glock better than an SD9/40ve?
    Doing a brief search on the web tells me a Glock 17 is about 500.00, best price.
    My new SD9ve, (with two mags), cost me 318.00 with tax. With necessary upgrades that I installed, Apex Tacical Specialties Action Enhancement Trigger and SD spring kit, 69.40 (total). Galloway Precision Stainless Steel Guide Rod and 17lb Recoil Spring Assembly, 35.00. Total cost for the completed pistol = 422.40.
    The SD9/40ve with these necessary and easy to install upgrades make the pistol rank right up there with the best of them. Personally, I never liked the Glocks. The SDs are similar but with better ergonomics, sight options, S&W lifetime warranty, made in America and, (if it matters to anyone), the SDs are a much “sexier” looking pistol. And BTW, Glocks need an aftermarket trigger job too, imo, so don’t even go there. If you have one of these SDs, seriously consider the upgrades I mentioned. They are worth every penny in less trigger pre-travel, over-travel and pull weight, better trigger reset, more comfortable feel, ease of shooting, (which leads to better accuracy), and better overall reliability. HELL YES THE S&W SD SERIES IS BETTER THAN A GLOCK!……Like it or not, thats my opinion :-)

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  63. avatarBilly says:

    My experience was the SD9ve was it one of the worst guns I ever owned. The trigger felt so bad and gritty it actually hurt to pull it after a few magazines. Took way too much trigger control to shoot straight (8.5 lbs…mine was closer to 10 lbs), especially with any kind of rapid fire. My G19, my M&P9, and my Sig226…now those are pleasure to shoot and worth every penny more. Sure you can alter this and that, but in the end you could have spent the same amount and got a much better gun.
    No comparison at least for me. Love S&W, have several including ARs but I would take a hi point over this gun any day. Anybody who raves about this gun needs to shoot a wider variety of guns. Every single friend that shot it said it was a horrible horrible trigger and wouldn’t shoot it more then a few rounds. That and 3 FTFs and 2 stove pipes in 500 rounds with factory ammo.

  64. avatarJohn in Melbourne Florida says:

    I feel bad for Billy. Must have got hold of a lemon. I have one of these- SD9 and put have 850+ rounds through it and NOT even one issue. I don’t know if Smith has already changed the triggers but I bought this last summer and I think the trigger is great. Mine seems a little too easy to squeeze sometimes especially after just a magazine of rounds. I only wish it was still available with the all black model. I also concur with Beetzmee as to the latest models of the Taurus TCP. I have one of those and the Smith Bodyguard380 and they are great “little” pocket pistols. The TCP trigger is better than the BG’s but both are MADE in U.S.A. Taurus in Miami actually manufactures the TCP and the PT22Poly (I have one of those too) Congratulations to all of you who have discovered great guns that don’t have to cost too much. My next object of desire is a Kahr CW380 just a few more nights at my Chippendales dancing job and One of those babies is mine!

  65. avatarRob G says:

    Wow, lots of good info following a excellent review. Back in ’99, I picked up a used police model Sigma 40F, always went bang except twice (2 stovepipes) and that happened going through 500+ rounds over a two month period. Then picked up the two tone Sigma 40VE, sold it 2 weeks later.
    Picked up the Generation 1 SD40 (all black melonite), and STILL have it, shoots great, trigger is fine.
    Then also picked up a 2 tone SD9 VE, and don’t like the long pull but what I really hate is the “spongyness” of the trigger. So, I’m keeping the SD40, selling the SD9VE and taking those $$ to add to my cash for a M&P9…then I’m DONE!

  66. avatarCharles solomon says:

    SD9VE is an Excellent Pistol for the money and More……

  67. avatarJohn in Melbourne Florida says:

    Rob. Admit it man… You’re never done. We’re all pistol junkies. It’s great. I think you might be done until the next awesome pistol comes out. (Like me) enjoy!

    • avatarRob G says:


      Yeah, I’m a junkie but luckily I don’t feel the need to have the latest “cool” firearm to hit the market.
      Although I did feel that way when I bought the 10/22 takedown because it was such a great concept as well as quality.
      Truth be told, I’m gonna sell or trade the SD9 so I can buy an M&P9. Something I should have done in the first place but I was trying not to spend too much (as well as keep peace in the house). I’ll keep my 1st gen SD40 which has a decent trigger pull compared to the 2 tone SD9 I just got. I do love my S&W’s to include the 22A, SD40, M&P15Sport, and soon an M&P9.
      You don’t know how lucky you are to NOT be in the state of Maryland where I have to contend with a 10 rd cap on mags as well as a ton of other BS laws. Hope to pack up the wife, dogs and cat and head to the Tampa area when I retire in 4 years!!!

  68. avatarCharles solomon says:

    The SD9VE is a hybrid cross between a well behaved sigma and An M&P 9, Minus the flaws. Face it: It IS an EXCELLENT Pistol for The Money and More!….Maryland You say???…. How about waiting 42 days for your second pistol, so to collect an interesting 8 pistol collection I had to put up with califarcia’s senator Leland Yee’s Illegal laws for half a year…california state senator leland yee…ring a bell????Yez…here is an incredible sleezy califarcia state senator who said” ” I won’t rest happy until california is a NoGun State!!!
    Meanwhile this politico is trying to buy 500 M16 AUTOMATICS to sell on the street to ANYONE in an FBI Sting, he was just arrested. It IS amazing what we law abiding citizens will put up with the sleezy politicos.
    On your search engine,Please checkout: “california state senator leleand yee arrested in FBI gun sting”

    • avatarRob G says:

      Well, here in Maryland (which we call California east) we too have our share of crooked politicians. Most have yet to be caught like Mr. Yee. Let us not forget other famous hypocrites like Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and our own Md rep Steny Hoyer.

  69. avatarJohn in Melbourne Florida says:

    Rob G. , I’m sorry to hear about the horrible restrictions. I used to live in Western New York (Buffalo -Niagara Falls area) and all my brothers and sisters are still there. They have to suffer under that dolt Cuomo’s “safe act” which also restricts the size magazine to 10 rounds I believe. I hope your next four years are profitable, comfortable and pleasantly memorable until you make your way south here to the sunshine state. Good luck man. Stay aware and keep the faith. – John

  70. avatarlarry says:

    I own multiple hand guns and the bottom line is….. I boight this gun for $289. You can beat that. If ot were a car it would be a Kia, it doesnt compare to a bmw but it gets you from a to b.

  71. avatarCharles solomon says:

    The SD9VE luckily is on the califarcia “DOJ approved list” for another 8months till it “falls off” then LGS cannot sell it to california consumers because of the firing pin ID stamp novelty which WAS supposed to be “enfarced” but NOW this california “doj gun list” is a proven violation of a federal anti trust law which is a felony.
    So here we have our AG(attorney general) kamala harris violating federal laws everyday while the “approved gun list” stops gun makers from selling their semi auto Pistols to california consumers violating Interstate Commerce Trade And The Federal Sherman Act in defiance of Federal Mandates. Along comes california state senator leland yee trying to dry up the semi auto pistol market where he can Illegally black market sell his FULLY AUTOMATIC M16s to Anybody on the street thinking he was getting the guns from an underground which turned out to be the FBI Sting going on 3 years with this guy. The Filth Flows Heavily here in Califarcia state Crapital Hill; And More to come.

  72. avatarCharles solomon says:

    The Smith&Wesson SD9VE is perfect weight and is very accurate. This pistol compared to my CZ75B is pretty light and easy on the wrist; Ladies Love It?? Probably will. This gun IS A HOMERUN So PUULLEEEZZEE Smith&Wesson, Put a Manual Safety on it!!! Many events of people shooting themselves with glock draw from holster and Other Safetyless GREAT Pistols; Love my Glock19 and very Careful with Her….More on california politician LowLife leleand yee who has tried to be a one man wrecking team on the pistol manufacturing industry with his “doj approved gun list” for sale. SACRAMENTO, California (Reuters) – A prominent Democratic California state senator and gun-control advocate was indicted by a San Francisco grand jury on charges of corruption and conspiracy to traffic in firearms, according to court documents released on Friday.

    The indictment adds to the troubles facing state Senator Leland Yee, who was arrested last week and criminally charged along with two dozen others in the same case. It details numerous examples of alleged corruption, and says that the one-time San Francisco mayoral candidate accepted cash from an undercover FBI agent seeking to purchase illegal weapons.

    The 31-page indictment, which sharpens but does not materially change the allegations against Yee, charges the senator with six counts of corruption and one count of conspiracy to traffic in firearms.

    Now that Yee, 65, has been indicted, it will be more difficult for his attorney to argue that the charges should be dismissed, because the process for fighting an indictment is different than the process for fighting a simple criminal charge.

    The indictment details charges against Yee as well as his political consultant, Keith Jackson, and numerous others as part of a wide sweep of alleged crime and corruption in San Francisco’s Chinatown.

    Among those charged in the indictment is Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow, a Chinatown figure who is accused of money laundering and conspiracy in california. And all of those indicted are politico LowLife
    Effluence swimming around the sacramento legislature, ag kamala harris and leading up to the most heinous politco of all: gov. jerry (MoonBeam) brown. The whole scenario is driving Good people out of california with its’ idiotic “gun laws” EXTORTING huge sums of money from UpStanding Pistol Makers
    Who will NOT patronize california’s Insane Firing Pin ID Stamp Scheme which Violates Federal InterState Commerce AntiTrust Laws, The Sherman Act.

  73. avatarJim R. says:

    Forget about a manual safety. A manual safety is not a part of the design of a striker fired pistol of this type. Those who send their Glocks off to have a manual safety added are doing so because their trigger pull has been lightened far below what is safe. (Good luck to them if they ever need to defend themselves, in a court of law, their use of such a modified pistol!)

  74. avatarCharles solomon says:

    But Jim!!, The Ruger SR9C AND SR9 BOTH have Manual Safeties, which block striker and trigger, And They are Both striker fired and Both Are Terriffic Pistols. Love my Glock 19, But Be Cautious with her my friend, She’s a Deadly Lady and can go off on a hard grabbed draw.

  75. avatarJim R. says:

    Hey Charles, I wasn’t aware of the Ruger’s striker fired, manual safety design, so I stand corrected. In regards to the Glock and S&W VE series (and perhaps others), I think a manual safety is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist. Keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to fire and you’re good to go! ;-)
    Regards, Jim

  76. avatarMitchelli says:

    Just got my HQL and cant wait to get the SD9ve And maybe the SD40ve…Good reviews

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  79. avatarCharles solomon says:

    Came back from the pistol range and have two words for the Smith & Wesson SD(Self Defense)9MMVE Value enhanced)…No Lie… An EXCELLENT VALUE for The InExpensive Smith&Wesson Retake of their Sigma… It is Wonderful And ACCURATE…………No Complaints Here.

  80. avatarCharles solomon says:

    More on Califarcia state senator lelan Yee, CaliFarcia’s Number Three Anti Gun politico and his Illegal Antics?? Go to your search engine and type this clown’s name in. The FBI stung him with an 18 Wheeler Truckload of his State and Federal Violations that are so numerous you have to see to believe. Right Now We are pushing to get the Califarcia AG (attorney general) kamala harris’ blatant pistol firing pin stamp scheme monopoly and 2nd Ammendment Violations and interstate trade violations noted to bag this politician along with her lovers leland yee and shrimp boy…This Whole scenario of these three politicos involved in a shanghai prostitute slave ring for political campaign money is shocking if not an outright hollywood testament to the califarcia Politicians and their unsatiable hunger for political power and money and it’s trail leading straight up to THE Number One Politician of All Crooked Politicians califarcia “gov” jerry (MoonBeams) BJ Brown Bottom. This whole califarcia scenario is something out of
    “The outer Limits”…………..

  81. avatarBamaroxz says:

    I bought my Ruger P95 9mm in 2010 (TX) and loved it. I fell out of love with it when I got a S&W40VE at Academy for $319. The trigger pull is a matter of getting used to since it is a safety factor, I had 4 total jams from my Ruger in the past 2 range outings. 0, nada, nilche from my SD40. Maybe the UMC 115 gr Wal Mart 250 round box has something to do with the P95?? I have shot Federal, Winchester, Hornaday, PMC in the 40VE with no issue’s. I would shoot 2 mags from the P95 and 2 mags from the 40VE and the trigger pull was drastically different. Now I take one gun to the range for that particular day and the 40VE gets easier and easier to shoot. I carry my S&W 40 now instead of the Ruger. Easier to conceal with IWB holster or inside vest holster. For the money I can’t say enough about the SW40. I have shot my buddies Glock and S&WM&P but I prefer the Smith and Wesson 40VE over all the pistols!!! American made, accurate, easy to conceal, lighter and just feels better in the hand. I wouldn’t change a thing on my 40!!!
    Sorry about all you CA guys. In AL it’s $25 a year to get and maintain a concealed carry license and also open carry is all the rage!! I laid out $100 and I’m good for 5 yrs.

  82. avatarDoug says:

    You are a horrible shot

  83. avatarCharles solomon says:

    NOW Glock is doing a switch on Smith&Wesson with their new Glock EXO which is a spitting image of the Highly Successful Smith&Wesson SD VE Series; both SD9VE and SD40VE. It IS Incredible that Glock wants the last CopyCat Laugh. If you look at the Glock EXO, price $525-$600, side by side with a S&W SD9VE or SD40VE, price $369-$425, it Is Amazing….Strange Revenge for the so-so old sigma series which started the knockoff competition to begin with.

  84. avatarDel Austin says:

    I have a Sigma 9 and two SDVE’s (one 9 and one 40) after seeing this review a while back I installed the Apex spring kits which made the gun shootable. Since then Apex has come out with a trigger for the Sigma’s and SD’s. I now love these guns and have made my SD9 my daily carry. Love these guns now so much, thanks to Apex, that I spent the bucks for Trijicon HD sights. Everyone that shoots my SD’s (especially Glock lovers) just love the SD.

  85. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    Don’t let it slip to Smith & Wesson that the SD VE series are Value Packed, which they most certainly are and very enjoyable to shoot at the range. Just let Smith & Wesson keep pumping out these Price Point pistols, SD9VE and SD40VE, which are as much of a steal as they are fun packed with All sorts of well engineered Extras like the 4.00″ Stainless Steel Heat Tempered Barrel with CLEAN and Unfailing accurate functioning which we owners really appreciate. Got back from the range after 2000 rounds, NOT A Hiccup and Great Accuracy..WOW!!!!!! Trigger is silk smooth now after first 500 rounds and direct inozzle injection of CRC Power Lube on the trigger mechanism front and rear. These SDVE Series Pistols are worth every penny and shoot just incredibly great with ALL the Sigma mistakes Corrected/Perfected in these beauties. SD (SelfDefense) VE (ValueEnhanced)

  86. avatarBamaroxz says:

    Actually I’m a dam good shot, with the P95 and SD40. The Ruger didn’t like the 115 gr UMC, UMC 147gr works fine.

  87. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    After 2500 rounds of Various Ammo makers 9MM And direct nozzle squirt of CRC Power Lube on my SD9VE Trigger, FRONT and rear, Good Golly Ms Molly, She is Silky Smooth!. Every Man Loves Her to be Silky Smooth. NO hiccups, No FubUps of any kind, No Issues, AND MORE Accurate than As Advertised. Bought a second SD9VE, which was On Sale, as I think they will be soldout soon. Maybe Not? Also an M&P 9 model 206301 w/manual safety….smith&Wesson, Your SD VE Series are BlockBusters.

  88. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    And so, Instead of sitting around and Male Moaning and Groaning about the power abuse by our CaliFarcia ag kamala Harris and the insane Sacramento State legislature, I went to the LA Library, legal section, and researched Federal Laws to see if I could try and help. Sent the following Federal Law info to
    Cal-Guns, 2nd Amendment, Glock, Ruger and, of Course, Smith&Wesson Manufacturers. May the info help them; don’t know but I tried to do my part in stopping these “new world order” PowerBots from turning people in to Sheople; there’s enough of them Here to begin with.
    To: Calguns Foundation Inc. The Second Amendment Foundation
    970 Reserve Drive, Ste# 133 / 12500 NE 10th Place
    Roseville, Ca 95678 Bellevue, Wa 98005

    Dear Sirs/Madam: I am writing to you so that I may be of help in overturning the California “Handgun Roster” Monopoly and restoring 2nd Amendment rights to California firearms consumers. It is Very Probable California AG Kamala Harris as well as The California State Legislature are in violation of Federal Anti Trust laws by creating A Firing Pin Microstamp scheme monopoly used to interfere with interstate commerce. Destroying Interstate Commerce by Use of A Monopoly is a felony.
    The Harris/ California Legislature scheme eliminates firearms manufacturers, who Do Not Comply With The Monopoly, from selling their products to California consumers while extorting large fees from manufacturers, “once approved” to be on the “DOJ approved firearms list”. POWER TO REGULATE:
    By creating the pistol firing pin micro stamping monopoly scheme, these expedient politicians created an exclusive “California DOJ approved firearms maker list” allowing only those manufacturers who comply with The Monopoly to sell product to the California firearms consumer market. “Although a state may NOT directly regulate, prohibit, or burden interstate or foreign commerce, it may incidentally and indirectly affect it by a Bona Fide, LEGITIMATE, and Reasonable exercise of its police powers. States are powerless to regulate commerce with Indian tribes.” AG Kamala Harris, in collusion with the California Sacramento legislature, rubber stamped their monopoly scheme into a California state law which violates the Federal Sherman Act Anti Trust Laws by destroying interstate commerce between ALL firearms manufacturers and the California consumers market by requiring firearm makers to comply with The Monopoly Scheme. This IS an unreasonable burden upon Interstate Commerce while attempting to mask their Illegal Scheme by invoking Tenth Ammendment States Commerce Regulating Authority:
    “Although The U.S. Constitution places SOME Limits on State Power, the states enjoy guaranteed rights by virtue of their reserved powers pursuant to the Tenth Amendment: “A state has the inherent and reserved right to regulate its Domestic Commerce. HOWEVER, That Right MUST be Exercised in a manner that does NOT interfere with, or place a burden on Interstate Commerce, or else Congress may regulate that area of domestic commerce in order to Protect Interstate Commerce from The Unreasonable Burden”. These Conspirators Use their firing pin micro stamp monopoly scheme to Destroy Full Interstate Commerce and deny California Citizens of their 2nd Ammendment right to Purchase and Bear arms UNLESS The California Consumers Purchase product from the California “DOJ firearms roster list” monopoly. This extortion is an ILLEGAL BURDEN created by AG Kamala Harris and The California State Legislature. “If the subject of Interstate Commerce is national in character, requiring Uniform Regulation, The power of Congress to regulate it IS EXCLUSIVE.” Interference Of Interstate Commerce, be it by one person or a group of conspirators by use of an introduced Monopoly is punishable by The United States Interstate Commerce Codes of prosecution.
    The Commerce Clause authorizes Congress to regulate commerce in order to ensure that the flow of Interstate Commerce Is FREE from Local Restraints Imposed by Various States, As with the State Of California “DOJ Firearms List” Monopoly. When Congress deems an act of Interstate Commerce to be in need of Supervision, it will enact legislation that must have some real and rational relation to the subject of regulation. Congress may constitutionally provide for the point at which subjects of Interstate Commerce become subjects of state law and, therefore, state regulation. Congress already regulates firearms interstate commerce by maintaining the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and federally licensing firearms dealers who sell firearms to American consumers from the firearms interstate commerce market, which is open to all firearms manufacturers.
    California AG Kamala Harris and the California State Legislature are in violation of Federal Anti Trust laws by creation and imposition of their firing pin microstamp scheme monopoly upon the California firearms consumer market while eliminating many manufacturers from the California firearms interstate commerce market which was, until imposition of their monopoly, open to all interstate and foreign commerce manufacturers.
    As equally important, To Illegally deny California Firearms consumers of their 2nd Amendment rights to purchase product from an open interstate product market and to bear firearms. Use of a created monopoly to destroy interstate commerce and to destroy citizens Constitutional guarantees by one or a group of conspirators are both subject to United States Code Penalties.
    What these politicians are doing is in violation of United States Constitutional Guarantees as well as violating Interstate Commerce Federal laws of The Sherman Anti Trust Act.

  89. avatarCurtisD says:

    I had a G19 until last week. I was at the gun store looking at different weapons when I came across the SD9VE. Firstly, as soon as I took a grip on it, my little voice just said yes. It’s the most comfortable firearm I have ever held. I asked if they would take my Glock in trade, and came home to get the case. Traded right there, on the spot. I was never really comfortable with the G19. It never felt right in my hand, and didn’t point the way I liked.

    Way back in the 90s, I had a guy try to crawl in through a window, and made him leave at gunpoint. Thing is, I was dumping a ton of adrenalin, and my weapon was extended to full lock. It was one of the old Taurus .38 4 inch guns, and no matter how hard I tried, I couldn’t straighten the gun out so that it would point straight. Maybe training can overcome that, but under stress, in a panic situation, that’s the way it was. Ever since then, I have always checked how the weapon points in my hand at full lock. The SD9VE is dead on straight, just like I am pointing a finger straight out as far as I can extend it. In a point and shoot scenario, in the dark, or in a panic, I know it’s going to shoot where I point it.

    It took a little muscle to get the 16 rounds in the first time out. Once you do it once, it’s easier. I had to set the magazine on the nightstand and push down to get the round to go in the first time. By the time I was done on the range today, it’s easy sauce.

    Now, to the range. Out of the box, with a hefty application of marine grade grease on the slide and trigger, I ran the firearm through it’s paces. At first, my groups sucked. I was all over the paper. I was still in the 5 zone on a silhouette target, but I wasn’t too impressed. I also had two failures to fire running a hotter +P round, but I think it’s because I didn’t let the trigger reset right. The thing went click with no bang, and no strike on the primer. Recycling the round and it fired no problem.

    After about three mags, it loosened up, and the groups started tightening up to point of aim. By the time the range session was over, at about 5 to 7 yards, I punched the center out of the bullseye, and sent the last rounds through the hole. The trigger really responded well to the marine grade grease, and melted into the surfaces with no issues. I took some CLP and a toothbrush to it, and it cleaned up spotless. Feed ramp shines like a mirror, and the trigger is smooth as silk now. Reading this review before taking it to the range helped a great deal.

    All in all, a great little weapon that fits my hand like no other, and I have grown attached to it in less than a week. I have been carrying off and on for the past 20 years or so, and this one carries nicely. I am still searching for the perfect ammo to feed it, and have to get some more range time in before I’m good at 25 yards with it, but I hope to be qualifying with it in a month or so. My old trigger lock fits perfectly when the weapon needs to be secured, and I have to get a rug for it, one more mag, plus a duty holster, and it should be good too go. Nothing but good things to say about it. Very few weapons I’d trust with my life., This is one of them.

  90. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    @Curtis D: I Also really Like my Smith&Wesson SD9VE AND bought a second one. The “loaded when up” firing chamber safety flag is Exclusive California Compliant and makes these handguns Collectors Pistols aside from being Incredibly EXCELLENT Value Packed 9MM HandGuns.
    I found CRC “Power Lube” to work on my Semi Autos Incredibly Well and I do NOT use anything else Except “Dad’s Gun Milk” which appears to be a mixture of white lithiun grease+Marvel Mystery Oil. Works Great for my SD9VE and it helped Wear In the trigger to function Silk Smooth; maybe 5lb Shorter Pull. Let alone a squirt of CRC INto all four sides of the magazines Really eases loading Incredibly and Permanently.
    These SD9VE Pistols eat All kinds of ammunition without a hiccup. Would love to get the SD40VE BUT the ammo costs are too much. So far, needing to buy only 9MM and 22LR ammunition is Very helpful for the Wallet.
    The Wife ALSO Loves to shoot the SD9VE as female wrists are not fond of Snappy Powerful guns.
    Best of luck with yours

  91. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    It Happened Here, AGAIN, in Southern California, last night, April 30th, 2014. A lady and her daughter, shopping, were attacked by a knife wielder stabbed and robbed. An UNARMED Good Samaritan confronted the Knife Armed perp and the perp ran off.
    The UnArmed Good Samaritan gave chase, fought with the Cowardly knife armed perp, was stabbed and died shortly after. The supect, 27 YO Repeat Felon Vincent Alex DeLeon, was arrested and jailed…Again.
    If the Good Samaritan had a pistol, the situation would have ended differently. But Our CRIMINAL Federal Law Violating California politicians like ag kamala harris, her comrades in the sacramento legislature and “state senator” leland yee have done their Damned legislative labors trying to disarm law abiding citizens, which in this case, cost The Good Samaritan his life. AT Least Leland Yee would have armed the Good Samaritan with A Fully Automatic US Army Issue M-16 for $3500…….
    It is NOT Necessary to describe these self righteous career politicians as we know what they are.
    Hopefully, with OUR help, the ILLEGAL California doj approved gun list and “non carry” laws, which are Most Certainly travesties of legislation, will be Repealed and Stricken from the California State Codes.

  92. avatarJustin says:

    Like others mentioned, it seems Academy sports has the best prices for these. I drove about 45 minutes, but to get one for $299 is quite a deal.

    For the price, it’s probably the best gun on the market. The ergonomics are great and it’s a good size. Hardly any recoil, very pleasant to shoot.

    I haven’t shot it much yet, but it seems like I group a little low with it. Nothing more practice can’t fix.

  93. avatarand421 says:

    I am getting Smith & Wesson SD9VE New Sigma Series 9mm Pistol and the clerk from academy ( very knowledgeable, ex marine) told me that this gun was build to rival Glock series not be compated to M&,P(Mp has its own rivals) Side by side with Glock it matches except the price. Trigger is compansate the lack of safety features.

  94. avatarBen Byerhoff says:

    I just bought the sd9ve for my wife. It’s reliable and easy to use. Perfect for what I needed it for. She wouldn’t let me get another gun until she had a hand gun so I went in and asked for the cheapest 9 they had. It was between the fmk and this. She’s more than happy that I got her a S&W which means that I get to spoil myself.

  95. avatarBill says:

    Im buying one this week, I have faith in S/W firearms, my fav 20 years ago was a good ole Ruger Blackhawk .357, 4.5 bl, my problem with it was weight, no good for carry, pulled muscles a few times on duty. Im not use to throwing brass on the ground but from what I hear about this weapon, I should zero it out and get some nice tight groups on our first date.

    • avatarCharlesSolomon says:

      @Bill Says: Whoever you are and whatever you do, you are going to Love the SD9VE. S&W says
      “Value Enhanced”, “ALL the Sigma mistakes corrected’; They speak truthfully. The SD9VE is a gun that gives More, Much More, for your money’s worth. Use CRC Power Lube for it ONLY and save a bundle.
      You don’t have to go nuts cleaning it, just spray the nozzled power lube right into the trigger and work it
      very thoroughly….SURPRISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like silk. Enjoy!!!

  96. Bought a Sigma 9m/m 4 inch new in 2006. It fired everything thru it. As long as I hosed out the firing pinhole hole every 600 rounds or so it never failed. Sold a SD 40 I really liked for a M&P 40 full size new also. My new M&P 40 is an upgrade from Sigma & SDs and I chose the full size model with the safety on it. Those guns with me were reliable as heck for concealed carry or whatever & that’s what I carried for years. Have more expensive hand guns but I worry more when I carry them because if you ever have to pull them (not fire) but flourish and a threat stops (which has happened,,the bully backed off and called the cops.) The police around here, on every gun call take your gun. Whether your in the right or have a carry permit,,it don’t matter whether your let go or charged. They asked if there were any other guns in the house? of course we said NO (youd better say no) You wont get your gun back either unless ya know someone in the cop shop. Paid a lawyer $1000 & he was unable to retrieve the I will take my pricey &unpricey handguns to the range and carry a reliable $300-$500 handgun such as a Sigma ,SD or M&P.or the like.

  97. avatarCharlesSolomon says:

    @Otis: What we have now is a police state of gutter cops, killers with paste on badges looking for a freebee gun with coffee and doughnuts. The Professional Police officers, Guardians of The Public Trust, are from an era goneby. The day of reckoning is coming. Meanwhile Be cool, hold onto your guns with plenty of ammo and enjoy the SD9VE as it is without a doubt a superb pistol for the money and more.
    9MM is coming back in a big way, just got 20 boxes Tula 9MM for $11.00 each and the SD9VE shoots that ammo Very Very Well. What S&W said is all the sigma mistakes corrected and perfected with a Real Stainless Slide, Is totally True + Super Accuracy. Kudo Smith&Wesson this pistol is a HomeRun!!!

  98. Thank you Charles Solomon, thank you very much..That was my 1st post on this forum and now I feel comfortable. Thanks again. But yea I must have got a good 1st gen SD40 black mellonite. Because the trigger was much easier than my nice Sigma and with practice I got pretty fair with it in 2010 at an unsupervised range 65 miles away. Sold it last year and purchased the M&P 40 4 1/2 barrel. Yes our gunshop has lifted the 2 box per caliber limit on handgun ammo. Plenty of 9 m/m ammo Saturday there. Put 5000 rounds thru the Sigma,9ve alone in 8 years, ,replaced this and that on it and polished things for speed and reliability. It looked nice. Transferred it to my relative Saturday. I am older and slowing down a bit. And yes my dad was a big city cop for 30 years here and I was a police cadet briefly in the mid- 70,s.. So I know how the game is/or was played. If you know somebody in the cop shop a citizen can get their gun, big knife, fake ID,s,,fireworks, bong/hash pipe back quickly,,and make tickets disappear ,at least from what I remember decades ago here in this city. Soooo the gun shop has a used SD9 with 2 mags for sale $299. Maybe I will take a peek tomorrow. Thanks again and good health.

    • avatarJim_R says:

      To Otis,
      Why buy used when you can get a new SD9 VE with 2 magazines for $329.00, often on sale for $299. S&W is continually improving this pistol, make sure you get the latest and greatest, for the same money. They also offer a .40 caliber version.
      Good luck, Jim

  99. Yes Jim R. I hear ya,,and it makes sense what you suggested. I had the SD40 ve for 3 years. It fit my hand real comfortable,,sold it and bought the M&P 40 full size. I find myself many times going back & forth changing the medium and large backstrap on the M&P to get try to get a comfortable grip. The SD40ve seemed to fit without fussin”.
    Other than that I think I,ll keep the M&P for a while or longer,,I mean its an allright pistol for me. Its heavier & has a strictly business persona to it.

    • avatarJim_R says:

      Roger that. I like those pistols so much, I’m planning to get an SD40 VE and start leaving the P-09 at home!

  100. avatarRon says:

    On lasat visit to a gun show, I got to handle everything except Sig-Sauers. Nobody carried them.I don’t think gun dealers make much of a profit off of them more so than their sticker price b/c most of the hardware prices there was inflated.

    As far as ergonomics go, the VE9 was the best feeling gun I ever held. The weight was light and evenly distributed. Racking it was easy and the dots are bright and large. The comment about this thing pointing like and Irish Setter were dead on. Apparently, the owner had a trigger mod because it was a short pull and not the monster you described.

    Which brings me to a question never asked Like a car, can you get a lemon in a handgun? If not, why not? I mean, I’d rather not buy a gun that seems like it was made the last one made at the close of the workday.

    By comparison, all the full-size Glocks felt like bricks on a stick. I thought the ploymers were supposed to lighten them? I held a Glock 17 4th Gen with night sights that one vendor was selling for $480. Great deal, but I did not dig the feel.

    I’m left-handed, btw, which makes a huge difference in how a gun feels, vis-a-vis, the 99% of right-handed people who do all of the gun reviews.

    In fact, you ought to have a lefty on call just to give his take on a gun before you recommend it to the world of which 82% to 95% are right-handed while the 8% to 15% who are left-handed and discriminated against by every company in the world who makes products meant for righties.

    The M&P may be the superior gun, but iot did not feel as great as the VE. I guess that the bottom line is doing an A/B test at the range after getting the Apex trigger mod installed by comparing the M&P & VE, head-to-head, on every possible test that the range has available.

    The savings of $200 is a big freaking deal b/c it means I can buy a 1,000 round brick with the savings so that if I decide to upgrade to another 9mm handgun, or maybe a 9mm carbine, I’ll have enough ammo left over for it.

    On the other hand, I can apply the $200 savings for a an S&W M&P-15 Sport, for for less than $1,000 I can have both an AR and a 9mm from the same American company (and I do believe in supporting USA made products.)

    Then agai,n $41 for a extra mag? I find it hard to believe that 3rd parties won’t be making one to fit them soon unless S&W made the darn thing proprietary.

    Last thought, your review on the plain M&P 9 is still in progress and the only review of an M&P 9 is the Pro series. The MSRP on that baby is $669 vs. $379 on the VE. That’s almost $300 difference, and as many have said, including the reviewer, one can be had for $300-$330. Now, that’s a hell of a bargain for a gun with outstanding reliability, ease of feel, and a rock thrower than will fire anything in 9mm that you feed it. I’m sure the target accuracy can be improved, but if you get it as a home gun, having 17 rounds to spray ought to make up for not being a tack driver.

    • avatarJim_R says:

      All good points Ron, but I believe you are understating the accuracy of the VE’s. On average, mine are just as accurate as any other pistol that I own!

  101. avatarSwinny says:

    I have owned the M&P 9 and downgraded to the SD9 VE. For my purposes (home defense and occasional carry) the SD9 is a better investment. The M&P looks and feels like a better quality gun, but you pay for that as well. I did spring for the Apex trigger kit and a Galloway stainless guide rod, I also plan to upgrade the sites, but after that, the only downfall is the “glock like” slide release. I do prefer the M&P for that. Overall, including the price, I say the SD9 VE is a much better investment than the M&P. It sits in my hand the same, it feels the same, it eats everything I feed it, and has yet to fail me. The SD9 VE, with certain upgrades, is a high quality gun, at a budget price. I totally recommend it, for anyone that would be willing to ride a Yamaha V-star to save money over a Harley. Otherwise, if you have to have “brand name” type stuff, you should go with the M&P. Yeah, I compared 2 guns, in two different price ranges, but I did it because I have owned both. Some of you, should lay off the other reviewers for doing such things. These are very comparable guns, for their price difference.

  102. I am left-handed.The only things I have done left handed is of course, write and shoot pool and my eating fork in left & knife in the other and shave and comb my hair.. I can shoot left handed a bit & actually did a little,,while qualifying for my ccw many moons ago. But right handed I shoot hand guns, rifles, shotguns ,,throw darts,, horseshoes, wipe myself,,spin cast etc.. So last night I started practicing drawing & aiming & dry firing with my left hand (non- dominant) just as a good idea and to change things around a bit. If your not used to it ,,well an hour or so goes by and I thought “man, was this what it was like learning to walk at one time?”

  103. avatarFRGHeer says:

    Since 3 weeks now, I’ve got me 1 piecs S&W SD9VE from Gandermtn. Feels good in the hand. I had all my life walther P1, PPK and now also a PPX, but I’ll think a S&W SD( fits perfectly in this lkine.
    Right, the S&W SD9 came in a card box. Two mags included and a – thin – what and how to do with the piece manual. First 10 shots behind the house. Sure the trigger is an issue. OK get real. Last Saturady on the indoor range, no fast shooting but: 260 times pang in 2 hr. with only god now what 9mm FMJ ammo. No problems at all. And did I say that bevore? The trigger is an issue. There is just no triggerpoint to feel.
    Thank you for the tip with the triggersping set. Already ordered.
    A S&W SD9 gets the job done regardless of the slide color, no question. You need a brandname to brag around? Well- Smith & Wesson has a real god name around the entire world too.
    My Trainer in the FRG Army said, “..not the weapon is the issue, the issue comes allways from is the shooter”.

  104. avatarAnthony says:

    Wife had a few bad dreams after seeing the “Purge” movie trailer on TV. It doesn’t take much for her. She told me we had to get a gun for our home. Went to Academy and she tried a few in her hand and liked how the SD9VE felt. The price at $319 made it an easy decision for her first firearm. We went to the range and I gave her a few pointers on both safety and technique.

    Her first couple of shots were right next to her target from 5 yards. Granted this is not a great distance but she had only fired a .45 before and quit after three shots due to the kick. She went through several mags and had no problem with the trigger pull at all. I guess she wouldn’t notice a difference unless she had something else to compare too. I fired it a few times as well and had no issues with its performance. I was not able to load the 16th round in the mags but she was! I am a strong guy (ex-linebacker in college). I figured out how that due to her smaller fingers, she was able to push the back of the shells down further where my bigger fingers topped out. This made it easier for her to slide the 16th round in. I do notice that with 16 rounds in the mag it does not lock into the gun as easily leaving a chance that the mag could fall out if you move your hand away before you notice. With 15 rounds in the mag it goes in fine. My wife had no issues regarding how the SD9VE felt and fired. Overall we are pleased with our decision for a home defense weapon and occasional target practice. Several of the guys at the Academy gun counter said they sell a lot of these and have heard no customer issues or dissatisfaction. At this price, I may get one for myself! Ex-Law P.O.S.T. certified Law Enforcement guy.

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