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Quote of the Day: Disproportionate Use Edition

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“Law enforcement, we walk around with a target on our backs everywhere. We’re outgunned out there. These long rifles – we don’t have the ammunition to come close to that. Little loopholes like this that we can close makes it safer for us.” – Philadelphia highway patrol officer Rick Bowes, A call for background checks on ‘long’ gun buyers [at philly.com]

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  1. “These long rifles – which turn up in fewer than 2% of crimes – we don’t have the ammunition to come close to that… Oh wait, we can buy any kind of military hardware we want, including .50 BMG machine guns.”

    Fixed

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  2. Hell swat has better than what the average john q public can get. The police officers do not have to pay for their own ammo. As far as long guns go, how often in caparison to other crimes does a single crime take place with a “long gun”? This is ridiculous.

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  3. Usually I come down on the side of the cops. But, at least here in California, every cop car I see has some form of AR and or a shotgun in it in addition to the officers sidearm. How are you outgunned under those circumstances? Especially since the bad guys rarely use long guns.

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    • “You’re only out gunned if you miss.”
      – Col. Jeff Cooper

      I guess the late, great Mr. Cooper is saying you’re troopers need to become a better shot.

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  4. A police officer with this mentality is scary. He assumes everyone is a bad guy and out to get him. I understand any traffic stop can get out of hand in a hurry, but that’s why they train. Plus one of ideal in our legal system is innocent until proven guilty, something he has apparently rejected as he became jaded. Lastly, why does he assume legally purchase long guns are routinely turned on police. In my state where deer hunting attracts 500,000 hunters, we never have issues of pot shots taken a cops.

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    • “If you’re a hammer, then everything looks like a nail.”

      “If you’re a cop, then everyone looks like a lawbreaker.”

      Too simplistic?

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  5. they acted like phillys a different state all together like many city’s due they dont remember they put on that badge there a target for criminals
    criminals are a criminal they dont care so dont go restriction law abiding citizens rights because you feel squeamish and afraid

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  6. Huh? Last time I checked, when you buy a rifle, of any sort, from an FFL dealer, be it Wal-Mart, the local gun shop, gun show or pawn shop, they make you fill out the paperwork and do the background check. This guy need retirement, quick, though he probably doesn’t deserve a pension if he’s been operating on one cylinder like this very long.

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  7. If you’ve got the money, hey its another toy to play with. But for those guys in the sandbox/boonies of Africa or some other god forsaken hellhole, I remember the following: Was an interview with an ace pilot from the early part of the VietNam war. Was talking about the difference between WWII flying and VN flying. Said all the beeping and bells going off, the heads up display etc were crazy distractions from killing the guy up in the sky with him. “didn’t want the last thing he was looking at to be some display”. Well I also hope the skills of a Carlos Hathcock don’t fade in the corporate military mind. That shooting with irons isn’t a bad thing. Matter of fact I always like to reference the 62 year old guy who owned the record at Camp Perry for 1000yd shots in the black….George Farr….

    http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/camp-perry-1921/

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  8. From the article
    “Unlike handguns, the “long” guns can be purchased from a private seller without a background check. Proponents of the bill say that’s a dangerous gap, especially for women and law-enforcement officers, who are the most common victims of long gun shootings.”

    I’m sure everyone will be perfectly honest and say if they intend to shoot a woman or LEO when trying to purchase a long gun.

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  9. Maybe he means outgunned when his SWAT team shows up to the wrong house in a no knock raid and they are armed with a rifle or shotgun.

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  10. I’m not sure I’d go for that.

    I hate to sound like a crotchety old fogey, but I’m leery of staking my life on anything electronic. I know that massive improvements have been made in recent years, but it’s still a relatively new technology that is far from 100% reliable. Then there’s the battery life to worry about… Unless it plugs in, in which case you’d have to worry about the plug getting knocked out or the power going out.

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    • With redundancy built into it — biometric finger swipe, RFI — and backstopped by a key, I’m okay with this design.

      But I am NOT okay with the static fingerprint reader. Highly defeatable. Fix that, and it’s a go.

      I wrote to them about using “swipe” style fingerprint reader, as well as some biochemical recognition technology that exists, but is not generally deployed.

      My current solution, a GunVault lockbox with fingerprint reader, is pretty good.

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  11. “RF” stands for “radio frequency”, which was the most common interpretation until R. Farago appeared on the scene. The ring or bracelet contains a transponder that sends out a unique signal when it’s near a transceiver on the safe. This product sounds like a solution in search of a problem.

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  12. Tracking Point: I have to agree with Matt in FL. While this will be fun and a great tool for hunters, (rich hunters) don’t forget to develop rifle skills that still work even if your batteries die.

    Jerry Brown: Moonbeam shows he’s a sharp political operator. The California ban had the best chance of being thrown out by the courts (and maybe dragging NY, CT, MA, MD etc with it) of any of them as it banned an entire class of weapons in direct contradiction to the Heller decision. Now the courts will decide if it’s okay just to ban features as in the NY. After all, New York’s ban does not ban any rifles. The NY AG’s office has issued guidance that AKs and AR-15s are perfectly legal and not subject to registration in New York as long as they have no evil features.

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  13. For the millionth f**king time. There is no evidence to support the notion that any gun control laws have a significant impact on reducing crime. None. Yet the media constantly tells us that Law A or Law B will “keep us safer” without providing a shred of proof.

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  14. Actually, I think this is a great idea. My phone and pistol are right there ready for a bump in the night, it’s shape doesn’t scream “gun safe, steal me!”, I wear a parachord bracelet anyway, what’s another one… And I am not afraid of new technology. Anything can fail, even mechanical things (see: Kel-Tec).

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  15. In some of these guys’ worlds every citizen is a just a perp diabolically disguised as a middle age dad or mom, waiting for a cop to turn his back so he can take a pot shot at him. Especially dangerous are those darn crazy deer hunter types up in PA selling grandpa’s old bolt gun outta the back of a pickup to cousin Joe. This man does not have an informed, balanced view of the world. He has a Philly view of the world.

    To hear cops like this one tell it, they are under 24/7 armed siege. Heck I hear it’s gotten so bad that they can’t even stop for a coffee break without rolling in the MRAPs, doing a dynamic entry at the local diner and laying everyone out on the floor to ensure officer safety.

    But hey, officer safety dont’cha know! And for good measure, we get a dose of “Yeah but womenz is victims” thrown in to rally the liberal troops. Where the children at?

    When I hear crapola like this it just makes me think “Stop trying to ‘officer safety’ away everyone else’s civil rights.”

    I’m pro law enforcement but anti-liberal dumbass-ery. Yeah, I read the article. Yes, it is unfortunate that his partner was killed in the line of duty. But as noted in the article that crime was committed by a paroled felon, with an (ready for it?) illegally purchased gun. Enforce that gun law right there, and make it work, before creating new ones.

    Thanks.

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  16. Yup, I like the idea much more than the standard biometric read-only electronic safe. If only they mentioned that it had a backup key open, then I’d probably be sold.

    I don’t like the idea of having to wear jewelery other than my wedding ring, though–don’t know how you’d get that RF ring resized, and I’m sure as heck not wearing a bracelet. I guess the phone sticker or something might work, but then it feels a little like I’ve got too many dang keys floating around the house.

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  17. Kimmel is a so-so comedian who got a couple tepid laughs by making fun of blind people. Yes, it’s insulting, but not serious. A more insidious form of insult is the argument that blind people should not have guns because they can’t see. Why? It assumes that because people are blind, they are too stupid to realize that they can’t see what they’re shooting at. Do you think that they don’t know they’re blind? That they don’t live with that challenge every waking moment? That they don’t know what guns do? Do you think that they are so willfully careless that they’d blaze away knowing that they can’t see where their bullets are going? Is there some “epidemic” of blind people sending bullets through their neighborhoods?

    The right to keep and bear arms is ultimately about choice. No one is requiring blind people to have guns. If a blind person wants a gun, he or she has that right. We might think it is pointless. We might think it’s a waste of money. But I would bet that the blind person can learn safe gun handling just like the rest of us. They know that without assistance, they’re likely violating 3 of the 4 rules of gun safety. Bottom line: blind does not mean dangerous.

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  18. He could’ve done that whole bit without being an asshole. But whenever guns are involved I guess the temptation is too great.

    You made your point Jim. Congrats for taking the high road. Kidding.

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  19. As always, a lot of opposing extremes on the topic. Personally I think the thing to focus on is that individuals who are blind (legally or otherwise) could very well have specialized self defense training with firearms. I have in the past worked with and spoken to people involved in the martial arts who were blind, and they took defense of their person just as seriously as everyone else.

    Just because what most people see as “normal” firearms training isn’t applicable to blind people doesn’t mean blind people can’t train to defend themselves. To be realistic about it, anyone with impaired vision won’t be reasonably taking shots from much if any distance… but they can train for contact distance defense. With good vision we consider that to be the worst case scenario, but without being able to see a possible attacker it may be the only line of defense a blind person has to work with.

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  20. What about Cooper’s fourth rule? As gun enthusiasts and concealed carriers we are always stressing how we are responsible for every projectile that goes down range.

    How does that work for a blind person?

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  21. As I understand the Hispanic voters in Texas are not nearly as Democratic voting as they are in many other states.

    Just curious why RF stopped in Austin. Another 30 miles to the south and he could have enjoyed green trees all winter in San Marcos.

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  22. “‘The authorities are turning a blind eye. They’re being bought off by the gun lobby passing laws to make lawful self defense impossible and it makes America England a dangerous place. When Elise goes to school that will definitely be in my mind. I love America England but if they continue to do absolutely nothing and the scale and volume of the outrages continues to accelerate, there’ll come a point when I think ‘I don’t want to be here with young children.’”

    There f*ck face I fixed it for you. Little Elise has a statistically insignificant 0.001% chance of being a victim of a school shooting versus her 0.0001% chance in England. However, her odds of being severely injured or killed as a victim of violent crime are significantly</em) higher on your stinking island than they are here.

    Let me know how your search for a utopia turns out.

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  23. Well, I see that we’ve got a few here doing the governments dirty work. Not to mention….Saul Alinsky’s. In particular, Alinsky’s Rule #5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

    Ridicule only buttresses a weak position. Usually, one with no moral or ethical anchor.
    Like say,… Obama? Don’t go there. Don’t use ridicule to silence or marginalize our fellow citizens. It serves no one’s purpose, but the governments’. No, I’m not talking about just UFO’s, it’s so much bigger than that. Ridicule those who do evil, for theirs, or evil’s sake. People claiming to have seen or experienced a UFO encounter, are not doing evil, but ridiculing these people, is. In the end, you’re the one who looks mentally weak and unbalanced. Besides, what sort of vile offense have these people done to any of you? None. But oddly enough, many seem intent on putting these people in their place. Because why?

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