Here in the Land of Lincoln, the political leadership has a ravenous, insatiable appetite for gun control while simultaneously coddling violent criminals (see the cash bill abolition law that will take effect January 1).
The legislature is bound and determined to test the limits of the Supreme Court’s Bruen ruling and has introduced House Bill 5855 which would not only ban Americans’ favorite rifle and millions more like it, it would also effectively ban the best-selling self defense handguns and limit magazine capacity.
The sponsors of the bill graciously allow for existing owners of he banned firearms to register their guns within 300 days…but not magazines. If passed, the bill has an immediate effective date for the magazine capacity limit and would instantly make anyone possessing a magazine holding over ten rounds of ammunition a criminal.
If you have two of them, that’s a Class 2 felony, or 3 to 7 years in prison. So that GLOCK 19, or Springfield Hellcat or Ruger LCP Max annoyed Illinoisans own with their spare magazines will earn them the same penalty as possession of kiddie porn or having sex with a minor over age 13.
Speaking of minors, the bill would effectively ban anyone under age 21 from touching a firearm unless they’re hunting under the supervision of a FOID holder or in the military. All Firearms Owner ID cards held by citizens under the age the age of 21 would be revoked.
The bill also bans .50 caliber centerfire rifles and .50 caliber ammunition. Some smart alecs are already asking if that includes their .50 caliber muzzle loaders. No, those aren’t covered by the ban. At least not yet. Maybe in the next bill.
Land o’ Lincoln Democrats have made it clear they want the bill passed and on the governor’s desk right away. And with avowed anti-gun politicians holding roughly 60% of the House and Senate seats in Springfield, getting the simple majorities needed for passage in both houses will be easy.
Obviously this isn’t sitting well with the state’s gun owners who have heard of the proposal. A number of groups, organizations, political figures and ranges have formed an informal coalition to fight back against HB-5855. This includes Guns Save Life, for which I serve as executive director. We have identified potential individual plaintiffs for legal challenges, lined up local counsel and we’re working with the Second Amendment Law Center to help as well.
Earlier this week, the Iroquois County Board voted unanimously to adopt a resolution that says “NO” to enforcement of HB-5855’s unconstitutional provisions. Theirs is likely the first of many similar resolutions.
From the Kankakee Times . . .
In the face of HB5855, billed by Democrats as Protect Illinois Communities Act, Iroquois County has rededicated itself to constitutional gun rights.
If passed, HB5855 would be the most restrictive gun control law in the nation, according to proponents and critics alike…
Iroquois County was one of the original sanctuary counties for gun owners. Now over 60% of Illinois counties are considered sanctuary counties.
Todd Vandermyde has been reporting on HB5855 from his Freedom’s Steel YouTube channel. He (discussed) Iroquois County’s resolution.
“So what does that mean?” Vandermyde said. “Well, the sheriff’s department is not going to be going out there and aiding the state police or any other agency in enforcement measures against this or any similar type legislation. The way this resolution reads it doesn’t look like the State’s Attorney’s office is going to be able to expend any funds in the prosecution of anybody under House Bill 5855 should it become law.”
Vandermyde was a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association in Illinois for several years.
Here’s the money quote from the resolution:
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that the Iroquois County Board hereby orders that Iroquois County shall not support the enforcement HB-5855 Protect Illinois Communities Act through the use of county funds, appropriations, personnel or property. The use of these limited resources is hereby banned from enforcing H85855.
BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, the lroquois County Board expects all elected officers of lroquois County to support and enforce this resolution,
Downstate local and county authorities might look the other way at gun owners who are suddenly deemed criminals by the new law. The problem lies with dealers who will have a whole truckloads of contraband inventory. One dealer at a Guns Save Life meeting told me he had $100,000 in inventory that would be impacted.
“What am I supposed to do with all that?” he asked. “Eat it?”
The stae’s gun dealers have a seat at the table of our new coalition. Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois, which represents many of the Land of Lincoln’s gun sellers, released an open letter sent to legislative leaders . . .
After the tragedy in Highland Park, members of the General Assembly have renewed discussions about banning large groups of firearms under the moniker of so called “assault weapons,” a term that was coined in the late ‘80s by gun control advocates, to deceptively depict semi-automatic firearms as machine guns.
The current proposals are no different. They seek to prohibit some of the most popular firearms used for competition, hunting, target shooting and yes, self-defense. The broad definitions of current proposals effect rifles, shotgun and handguns, making it one of the broadest gun bans we have ever seen. By reasonable estimates some 40 million firearms across the country would be affected by these proposals. Add in the magazine ban and that number doubles.
Federal Firearms Licensees of Illinois (FFL-IL), as a leading proponent of the US Constitutional guarantees that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed opposes all these measures. We are not asking for a seat at the table, as there is nothing to talk about. The legislature has made it clear no amount of red tape, regulation, obstruction, or infringement will abate the appetite to gut the right to keep and bear arms in Illinois.
To be clear, we are not here to negotiate. We will not be a party to any sacrifice, compromise or watered-down proposal offering to hold off the draconian proposals for another day for a pound of flesh today.
The final paragraph cuts to the chase.
As stated above, we are not interested in negotiations. We are prepared with our legal team to vigorously challenge any of these gun control schemes in federal court in defense of our rights.
Read the full letter here.
Watch for more as gun owners in Illinois fight back to keep the majority of us from becoming criminals the moment the governor’s pen signs HB-5855 into law. Look for other deep blue states like California and Connecticut to do the same with new gun control measures, if they haven’t already.
Interesting that they are having a feces fit over .50 caliber rifles. If you peruse the FBI’s detailed database of firearms that have been uses to kill police officers since way back in the 1970s, you will find that .50 caliber firearms have been used to kill ZERO, ZIP, NADDA police officers.
What happens when Gun Control is not, has not and may never be defined by its roots in racism and genocide. Instead of exposing Gun Control’s history of rot what appears on this forum are some morons showing their love for words like Detoilet and Chicongo. Cutesy nitwits in love with concocted crap words certainly know how to display Gun Owner disdain for racism…Not.
Debbie, you concoct cute words too, demonrat democRATS. It ain’t about race really, they want everyone that is middle class out of the way. I’m sure if you’re a rich man doesn’t matter what you look like, have all the guns you want. Eat what you want, all the little people can eat bugs and fake meat.
some of those monikers intend to reflect the makeup of the demographic that commits far and away the vast majority of crimes. is it racist if it’s factual?
“is it racist if it’s factual?”
It’s considered by them to be proof of ‘Structural Racism’… 🙁
ohh… like when south and west side wooden rear stairs collapse.
Incremental victories. Do you need a .50 cal to hunt a deer, or at the range? Most people don’t have one, so sure, I guess that’s a “reasonable” restriction. Stack these “reasonable” restrictions to get small victories and get people accustomed to restrictions on their freedom. Hey why do you need more than 10 rds? Bump stocks or silencers, pistol braces or machine guns, keep moving the bar, establish precedent, at least that was the pre-Bruen plan.
Now it’s for the test, does Bruen really mean these are all unconstitutional, or just some things?
It is called “a death from a thousand cuts”
Never give one inch to these reprobates.
“A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step”
“Now it’s for the test, does Bruen really mean these are all unconstitutional, or just some things?”
The big question is “Where is the enforcement mechanism for “Bruen”? How does a court decision prevent further abuse of power? Sorta like “How do gun control laws prevent crime?
As stated so often, by so many, “The ride is the punishment”. If the state and federal level courts collude, they can keep law suits against Bruen violations in the wash cycle forever.
“One dealer at a Guns Save Life meeting told me he had $100,000 in inventory that would be impacted.
“What am I supposed to do with all that?” he asked. “Eat it?””
And that, right there, boys and girls is the actual target. If they impact the dealers so severely that they go out of business….. agenda achieved. No dealers, no -legal- guns.
“What am I supposed to do with all that?” he asked. “Eat it?””
He had better stash those mags in a storage locker across the state line until it gets sorted out, sadly…
…yeah…”move it”…might be good advice….
How is it that “Full faith and credit” must apply to degenerate faux “marriage” but not to firearms (protected by shall not be infringed). Iowan’s open carry should extend across the river (for those forced/stupid enough to venture into the cesspool of IL).
Yeah ILLANNOY sux. I’m already ready for the Purge. Got 10 round mags for all my gats. My best Indiana friend will hold on to any offending thingies. Iroquois county is where my dad was born & I have a slew of distant cousins there. One is a firearms trainer. Meanwhile we’re seriously planning on a move east. We already spend most of our time & $ there. I suggest making life difficult for offending dims…
The Supreme Court really opened a pandora’s box with the misunderstood Bruen decision by the retarded Far Right.
There have been so many gun law appeals the high court does not have time to look at even 1% of them so they will as usual let the lower anti-gun court rulings stand.
Illinois will pass the law and it will take years to work its way through the courts and in the end the Supreme Court will just ignore it and let the law stand.
“There have been so many gun law appeals the high court does not have time to look at even 1% of them so they will as usual let the lower anti-gun court rulings stand.”
Wrong, moron.
That’s what the ‘GVR’ is for, they don’t have to touch it, they can just vacate the lower court’s ruling, and send it back to to the court that issued it with instructions to use the the ‘Bruen’ standard.
That’s the power of a ‘GVR’ and sheer beauty of ‘Bruen’, they can rub the lower court’s nose in it like a dog that crapped on the rug, and force them to rule the way we want.
Tell me, what’s it like every morning when you look in the bathroom mirror and still see the same retarded idiot you always see? 🙂
does brandon live in fuktards bathroom?
dacian, the DUNDERHEAD. It seems that it is you who has misunderstood Bruen. But then you have never been able to get it together on any subject. The Supreme Court has already referred a number of cases BACK to the District court with the direction to abide by Bruen.
So possession of a couple of 12 round magazines for your pistol gets you a greater punishment than a home invasion double homicide?
Just had this very conversation yesterday with a pro-2A buddy regarding full cap mags here in CA. He “hypothetically” wondered aloud if he had the option of buying full cap mags for his gat while visiting NV or AZ and bringing them back, since most manufacturers (I said most) don’t apply date codes to their mags. We were talking from a moral/ethical standpoint, so I asked him where his personal line is drawn where he will disregard a law that is repugnant to the Constitution, and therefore null and void. In our case here in CA, Judge Benitez has already ruled twice that the existing ban is unconstitutional, and is soon to rule on it a third time, in which case CA might continue to play the “appeal and argue” game to delay the inevitable another year or more. In the meantime, 10+ cap mags are still illegal to buy, sell, or transfer, though mere possession is permitted. So would a moral person go buy (*cough cough*) ammo and full cap mags elsewhere and simply bring them back home, whilst maintaining a clear conscience?
To quote Reno May, “I’m not a lawyer; this is not legal advice”, but everyone makes their own decisions.
It is only a question of “conscience” if one believes that morality vs. immorality is determined by the voters of California. I would hope anyone who has that warped “value system” (I’m sure that you yourself do not) would have the decency to at least contemplate suicide.
To anyone who believes in justice, the only real ethical question is not whether to disobey injustice (an obligation as well as a right), but where that ranks in relation to other duties (i.e. to avoid trouble for one’s family, friends, employer, etc.) – i.e. whether, when, and how that obligation crosses over from “trying to get away with what’s right even when it’s illegal” to “openly refusing to stand for them prohibiting what’s right”. That, in turn, hinges a lot on the extent of one’s other obligations.
“So would a moral person go buy (*cough cough*) ammo and full cap mags elsewhere and simply bring them back home, whilst maintaining a clear conscience?”
Bet your ass I would. I’d sleep like a baby.
“I’d sleep like a baby.”
You wake up every two hours crying and wet? 🙂
If I kived there I’d do that in a midget minute. Further any of my friends who would like to possess such devices and would ask me to, I’d find them out of state, purchase them, and bring them in for distribution to them. Just make sure they cannot be dated post-ban.
There IS such a thing as justified resistance. Like back in the days of the civil rights era, how about a black guy getting up from the “collahd only” counter at Woolworths, getting up and walking over to the whites only counter and joining his friends tere? OR hows about the white guy going over and sitting down with “de collahd fokes”?
Just like the patriot residents of the Boston area buying/making/stokpiling arms and thumbinig their noses at “disarmament Gage”, and training weekly with their twn militia, until it was time to take up arms and actually FIRE at Gage’s troops? One of my favourite “events” of that 19th April 1775 was Parker’s Revenge. And men like Samuel Wittemore, Hezekiah Wyman, David Lamson, and James Barrett’s sons and fellow farmhands, “taking care” of that new shipment of muskets they KNEW Gage want….. as Gage’s men marched by their fields on the way to Barrett’s farmhouse to confiscate them…..
“So would a moral person go buy (*cough cough*) ammo and full cap mags elsewhere and simply bring them back home, whilst maintaining a clear conscience?”
[I thought for a quite some time about how to phrase this, since my initial reaction would require seeing my facial expression while reading it to understand that I wasn’t trying to be a dick.]
Yes.
From a “Rule of Law” [philosophical] standpoint, yes. From a utilitarian standpoint, yes. From a existentialist standpoint, yes. From a positivist standpoint, yes. From a nihilist standpoint, yes. From a stoic standpoint, yes. From a rationalist standpoint, yes. From a relativist standpoint, yes. From a Christian/Muslim/Jewish standpoint, yes. Heck, even from a Marxist [philosophy] standpoint, yes.
If you fundamentally understand freedom in the Western conception of it, or the Western concept of “right and wrong” then the only standpoints where you would actually follow this “because of conscience” would be under certain totalitarian schemes where you’re already mentally, spiritually and morally broken in the horse sort of way or in a literal cult. That has no moral or philosophical underpinnings from your point of view, obviously, and has none from *their* point of view either because they’re already quite openly acting as monsters.
But, obviously, you check back in with utilitarianism and keep the legal mags so you can swap over to one before the cops get there if, God forbid, you have to use a burner on someone. Or make sure you never wear flipflops so you can unass the area with a quickness.
My real question is why this is a question? Dost thou not readest thine philosophy? Like, at all? You need not fear some great moral retribution for this transgression against the power of nothing. You only need fear the State and its agents.
Why would the diktats of those who openly scorn your existence as anything but, perhaps, a beast of burden concern you in the least? What authority does their proclamation have? Why would you think that people who look at you as such deserve a iota of respect and why would that translate into respect for their edicts?
The real question here is if you are willing to risk the wrath of those who already hate you and wish to extract from your existence an unearned measure of value from your life and productive capacity. If not, then no, don’t do it. If you don’t GAF what they think then go right ahead with a clean conscience. The only philosophies that would go against this are pure pacifist philosophies where, were you an adherent, you wouldn’t have a gun in the first place anyway.
“One dealer at a Guns Save Life meeting told me he had $100,000 in inventory that would be impacted.
“What am I supposed to do with all that?” he asked. “Eat it?”
You truck it to me, I’ll store it for you and you can sell it from here. Of course though, I get a small first choice cut of the inventory 😁
The problem is not guns. It never was. The problem is the desire by the Democrat left to ban them.
From the article:
“All Firearms Owner ID cards held by citizens under the age the age of 21 would be revoked.”
The problem with tolerating Mommy-May-I permission schemes (CCW licenses, FOID cards, et al) is that they may be revoked at whim by TPTB. In this case, the Dems in Illinois forced FOID onto their constituents, and now they want to ban ownership altogether for adult American citizens within a certain age range.
It’s always about bans as the ultimate goal.
Keep in mind that the people who vote for these pols were all about Obama’s anti-war message but also had no problems bombing children, even American children, so long as “the Anointed One” was the person in charge of the bombing.
the politics is not allowed with the 2nd amendment. in fact anyone doing so is to be removed from office. why are they still in office!!!!
What’s the likelihood the state would have to pay attorney fees for the groups who are successful?
Zero, the taxpayers pay it. In an ideal world the morons who pass these acts of treason would be forced to lay out of pocket. Then hung.
They are erect for 50 cal because it’s able to take out a swat van from a mile away. You can penetrate some light armored personnel carriers too. It’s all about putting us in our place. Pull the dog’s teeth and he’ll have to eat our shit. I guess if I get my check once a month, get my ebt card, and get to drink 40s on the porch I can get used to eating bugs. None of it is about public safety.
What is up with you and eating bugs?
Where you been? Haven’t you seen the video of Nicole Kidman eating crickets, telling us how good it is for the environment?
If 60% of IL counties are not on board seems like the answer is there in the numbers. Leave IL or just expel Chicago.
Like when a family has a crooked deadbeat drunk they keep enabling. Drop him off at Kensington Ave and be done with it. You’ll never get along and the longer it drags on the more resentment builds until a lot of shit catches fire.
If you have two mags that violate this statute earns you 3-7? I guess they’d give me the death penalty. Some people are just plain stupid.
Don’t just slap them sideways, beat them into submission.
Remember folks the Democrats are the party of wanting to say kids are mature enough to choose to mutilate themselves but not to have constitutionally protected right.
GREAT point my man !!!
They want those same children to be able to vote too.
If you are scrambling to dispose of your suddenly “illegal” 15+rnd Glock/Sig/Ber/CZ/S&W….. magazines and replace them with 10 rounders YOU are part of the problem. Zero compliance.
Let’s be honest:
We don’t want our society to descend into anarchy.
And society has an incredible tendency to descend into anarchy if most people refuse to follow laws.
Thus, there is a huge incentive to follow laws–even laws which are not righteous. To a point. And Illinois is rapidly approaching that point.
“Thus, there is a huge incentive to follow laws–even laws which are not righteous.”
An interesting paradox since a large enough incentive to accomplish this would result in very few laws that are not righteous.
We should be very reluctant to follow laws which will supposedly improve the public good at the expense of human liberty and dignity.
If our population was plunging (for whatever reason) and that constituted an existential threat to the continuation and prosperity of our society, would that justify laws which mandate forced impregnation of ALL healthy women of child-bearing age? After all, it would be for the greater good of our society. And if our governments passed such laws, would we all accept it and allow government agents to forcibly impregnate our mothers, daughters, sisters, and wives?
If our answer is “no”, then why would we accept firearm laws which violate our human dignity?
What are these 1/3rd “SCAR” mags in the photo, rattle can? FN SCAR mags are fde/tan except for the magwell portion, not sure why these are black other than just the lower portion unless going for a “black & tan” look, maybe these are best with Guinness?
Matches your desert/arid cammies when you stuff the mag in a shingle without the flop-top?
So, ban ALL the guns and magazines then release ALL the criminals who don’t give two fucks about gun ban laws… Interesting concept AND there is an added benefit of bankrupting all the licensed gun dealers in the state when their entire inventory is suddenly illegal… Sucks for them, they should have seen this coming…
I have no sympathy for them… The idiots keep pulling the D lever… they reelected Fred Flintstone for governor and the sob story veteran token Duckworth… you get the government you deserve!
“The idiots keep pulling the D lever…”
How little you understand about politics.
People keep voting D because, well, Trump and Republicrats are the reason for all the crime, homelessness, poor schools, bad neighborhoods, and declining economic conditions.
It is settled science that Trump and all the Rs want people to end dependency on government largess, comfort and care. Trump and the Rs want to lower taxes on income earners, all the while, people who earn only a little bit, and don’t pay income taxes, get no tax breaks. Ex: Trump put a limit on the amount of sales and local taxes people can deduct from their income; only the wealthy (people earning income) can take advantage of the deduction at all; poor people who pay no taxes get no benefit. People on welfare get less advantage from tax strategies than do people with incomes.
And Trump and Rs insist that people who commit crime should be held accountable. The vast, vast majority of people committing crime are those who didn’t win the lottery of life. What alternative do they have. All the poor should get reparations, and never have to work; they have suffered plenty, and it is time to make things easier for them.
Oh yeah, it was Trump who invented Covid-19 at his Trump Tower in NYC. Then he wanted people to drink motor oil to coat the microbes from the disease so they wouldn’t get sick, but instead, die. (Or was it amonia?) Besides, Trump colluded with Putin to start the war in Ukraine, so more poor people could be used to fight the war.
Wihout Trump and the Rs, America could become the first successful, enduring socialist paradise on the planet.
Well Chicago and cook county hasn’t had a Republican hold office since the 1930’s.. Pretty hard to blame a party for the crime, and ineptness of an area they never controlled or had any influence in governing.
“Well Chicago and cook county hasn’t had a Republican hold office since the 1930’s..”
Yeah, but Trump and Rs oppose everything that is good for people. That opposition leads to frustration, and lives unfulfilled, so the only available outlet is force and crime.
And then, the Rs provide easy access to guns, easier than borrowing a book from the library, and guns make people violent because it is almost impossible for a person possessing a firearm to not be violent. According to a former head of the Democrat Party, and former governor of Virginia, because of ease of access, “We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence,” .
If guns didn’t cause crime, we would have to invent something called crime.
“We lose 93 million Americans a day to gun violence,”
Thought “Braindead” set that number at 100 million a day…
I understand that only a fool would vote dummycrat
“I understand that only a fool would vote dummycrat”
Indeed.
Mmmmm… a delicious political “rendering” (in the cooking sense).
Maybe it’s time for the GOP to use their brain for what it’s literally built for and extract some meaning (instructions for action) from what you’ve just said.
Nah, that’s work. Easier to just call people stupid rather than bone up on propaganda, manipulation and a better ground game built to counter those things.
The people that voted in such a manner get the government they deserve.
The problem is that everyone else also gets the government the morons deserve.
Prime example occupying the Whitehouse and the Senate Majority leadership.
Yup.
you mean “the patently absurd and blatantly unconstititional and soon to be thrown into the ash heap of history illinois gun ban, magazine capacity limit bill”
They need to clear out the prisons for the elderly widows when their husbands pass and they take his firearms into LGS to sell with the “high cap” magazines still in them. Thank God Illinois has it’s priorities straight.
Witness slip links to the hears for Dec. 12th and 20th if you live in Illinois to oppose this HB5855 below. Please fill out these to oppose HB5855 in Illinois if you want.
Instructions on how to fill out the witness slip
https://training.reddotarms.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/witness-slip-HB5855.pdf
HB5855 Dec. 12, 2022
https://my.ilga.gov/Hearing/HearingDetail/19657
HB5355 Dec. 20, 2022
https://ilga.gov/house/committees/hearing.asp?hearingid=19659&CommitteeID=2715
I sort of wonder how enforcement will go.
Another issue of culture of a state. If it goes like CO where the law basically doesn’t exist because enforcement is essentially zero unless it’s being used as a sweetener when you rob a bank and shoot someone, then it’s not a big deal.
If it’s actually enforced maybe the “Back the Blue” crowd will learn a lesson about playing with fire.
All this nonsense is because of the Highland park shooting where the ISP didn’t enforce the existing gun laws. This is what Democrats do every time. Get the people on TV crying about the getting shot then establish more laws they don’t enforce. In the last 3 years Chicago has has over 8000 arrests for gun associated crimes and prosecuted 356.
If you truly believe that you’ve elucidated the sole reason this is effective, or even the basics of the reason, I’ve got some killer real estate deals for you.
Shall we talk bridges and prime desert water-front?
d-rats support gun control & abortion for the same reason, they want defenseless victims
@MADDMAXX
“Thought “Braindead” set that number at 100 million a day…”
Well, it is possible I missed an update, or two.
Sometime during the “miraculous” basement campaign he said that 150 million Americans had died since 2007 from gun violence, sorry, I misspoke (that is what THEY call it right?) then he added 120 million dead Americans from Covid, leaving about 60 million population, but then 160 million voted (83 million for Braindead?) in the 2020 election so hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm… For the dacians/minervas of the world anyone born after 2007 would not have been old enough to vote in 2020…
“I misspoke (that is what THEY call it right?) then he added 120 million dead Americans from Covid, leaving about 60 million population, but then 160 million voted (83 million for Braindead?) in the 2020 election so hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm…”
You complaining ’bout the new math?
You complaining ’bout the new math?
Is that what they call it? Well, alrighty then…
“You complaining ’bout the new math?”
“Is that what they call it? Well, alrighty then…”
Yeah. It ain’t whether you get the right answer, but that you try; truth, rather than fact.
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