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Red Jacket, the business featured in the Discovery Channel’s Sons of Guns “reality” show, has gotten themselves into hot water with our friends at the ATF. Seems their inventory system isn’t any better than their safety practices. The loss of the FFL, according to tmz.com, has resulted in the business’s owner, William Hayden, along with his daughter Stephanie, having to work for an employee in order to stay in business…

Things went swimmingly until 2009 … when the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms conducted a routine inspection of RJF and discovered 10 guns registered to the company could not be accounted for … a big, BIG problem. We’re told the feds pinned the blame on William and Stephanie — and were looking to take serious action that could have resulted in the end of RJF.

But law enforcement sources tell us … the Hayden’s struck a deal with feds in 2010, in which the two agreed to surrender their gun-making licenses … and in exchange, they could appoint a LICENSED person to take over the company. It didn’t take long for William and Stephanie to pick their successor  … they went with Vincent Buckles… — another gunsmith often featured on the reality show.

Buckles has evidently left the business, too, and now the Haydens have dug up another FFL holder to be the licensed firearms dealer for Red Jacket.

They’ll likely use anyone with a pulse – and an FFL – in order to keep the business going and the Discovery Channel dollars coming in. We’re sure that the Haydens avoiding a frog march and criminal charges had nothing at all to do with the fact that they have a television show. Guess no one ever told them the ATF can be sticklers about keeping track of guns. Unless they’re headed south of the border, that is.

[h/t Ryan Finn]

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593 COMMENTS

  1. I can not stand “Sons of Guns”. I think that show makes gun owners look like back woods rednecks to the rest of the world and the “Antis” love it. What a bunch od idiots.

    • I concur. I watched one or two episodes and could not take it anymore. Not only is their custom work crap, apparently nobody explained to them how to handle guns in a safe manner. I always felt that this show will give the gun grabbers an excuse to lobby for more gun-restricting laws. I wish they would just go away.

      • The most nausea inducing gun-related thing on TV. Finally, the BATFE (and really big fires) did something that most people will agree with.

      • “[..] apparently nobody explained to them how to handle guns in a safe manner” – whoa, a lot of people jumped on the band-wagon following this comment..:)

        On the one hand, you’ve got those ghey guys, that handle guns like they’re radioactive (on camera); and then shoot themselves in the leg, in front of students, in a training center (check on YouTube, hehe); && on the other, you have Red Jacket that just handle guns.

        P.S.
        “I think that show makes gun owners look like back woods rednecks to the rest of the world and the “Antis” love it. What a bunch of idiots.”

        – Gun owners usually are. ;-P ;-D

      • When you are being a spellchecker snob, at least make sure you get capital letters and punctuation right.

        • your grammar is incorrect wright meaning correct and rigkt meaning direction such as in left and right but your intention was well

        • Oh my god this is too funny. Please don’t try and correct someone again.

          Write: To form characters or symbols on a surface. “I’m going to write down the things I want from the grocery store.”

          Right: The direction (opposite of left) or being correct.
          “Are you sure we’re going the right way? I think we should have turned right.”

          The only thing “wright” was used for is the two brothers that discovered flight.

      • I think you meant to say, ” At least we idiots can spell, man.”
        Spelling: Check
        Grammar: Fail

    • Well you probably are more interested in TMZ. May be cheesey, but their shows dealing w/ Saigas got me looking at them. I now own a 12, two 7.62s and a .223. Care to go to range?

    • wow i see people here with nothing better to do than find fault in others as if you have never made a mistake or screwed up and since they are on tv that gives you all the right to be pompas self rightious jerks get a life there craftmans ship is great they will attempt to build anything you want where else you gonna find that my guess is you all dont know the first thing of being backwoods (damn city slickers) cause if you did you would shut your mouth and find something better to do with your time

      • I would think this thread would be more interested in the RJF FFL situation rather than a pissing contest about grammar, typos, and spelling. I think all of you need to get a grip and and leave the English discussion for another time.

      • I see so many errors on this webpage it’s amazing. When we see the same errors multiple times it can’t be a simple typo. You learned, or at least had the opportunity to learn, this stuff in elementary school! Spellcheck can’t rescue clowns.
        If you write for adults and want their respect, if you want to be taken seriously, it’s best to write like an adult. Otherwise most of us dismiss you as an idiot. Instead of taking the time to learn how to do it right, you’ll spend your time flaming those of us that try to set you straight. That’s OK though, this was my first visit to this page, and you’ll be happy to know I won’t return.
        Nothin’ to see here, move along…

    • Whatever you do DONT BUY ANYTHING FROM THESE MORONS!!!!!! I have been waiting 8 mo. to get a stock from them. They have lied to me everytime I call (twice a week) they tell me another lie. SEND THESE MORONS BACK TO THE FRICKEN SWAMP WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!!!

      • If Discovery was to cut Sons of Guns, they would lose the inbred rednecks that watch that crap. I am one that bought a Sig 40 cal and had their supposed gun smith do some custom work on it, I waited months for it and when I got the dam thing it constantly jammed. Those Idiots need to dig a hole and burry themselves

        • Well if you want to talk redneck all you have to do is listen to yourself talk .I’m sick and tired of you people crying about you did not get this or you cant stand the show if you dont like it turn the damn thing off and stop all the whining

        • Well you must be an inbred recheck. You had to of watched the show to at least be able to bring you’re gun over there to get it worked on. To Rick the prick

        • Uh-huh, sure you did; & where’s a photo of it – and the receipt, proof of purchase.

      • Will’s a flat out egotistical jerk, and Ive seen not one person in shop with the slightest common sense or gun safety habits. How do you” make a deal with the feds?”,,anyone else “losing 10 firearms” esp if they were class 3, as I”m wagering they are, would send them to prision 10 yrs on each count.

        • I’ve often wondered what kind of dope deal did Will Hayden-U.S.M.C. make with the feds. I’m wondering if he sold out for money and fame as well as staying out of jail to put on a show that makes gun owners look like idiots. The show portrays an image of what a former Marine becomes and acts, how gunshop employees behave, and how a typical gunowner looks and behaves. This is what people expect to see. They are not disappointed.

          • good thing drug testing isn’t a part of Wills mandate, that chris gun maker wanta be is so druged up he can’t keep his eyes
            open lol

            • A “dope deal” means a secret arrangement between two or more people and/or company/organization which benefits both parties.

        • This show is what makes people think all Americans are fuckwits I know 99.9% of Americans are sound decent people but these fuckwits all of them especially the daughter and her boyfriend. You have to blame the network for giving this show and the people on it air time in the first place.It has done nothing but damage to the country and to the decent educated people in the us.

      • I love this show… I had several weapons until I got robbed, and plan to replace them eventually… I do still have my little hand gun and will always have it… I will watch this show until it is canceled, which I hope is not too soon…

    • Redneck, what is wrong with being a redneck? If you knew the origin of the term, you would be proud to be one. What self righteous rock did you crawled out from under? Don’t critique what you don’t know. Go back under what ever rock you crawled out of and stay there. It’s TV, they are on it and you are not.

      • I think its a fine show, Lots of cool firearms, Lots of nitpickers, here but thats life.Why people have to complain, on everything,

      • Amen !! Capt.!! haters always hate what they can’t have!! Spiteful lil TROLLS!!

      • I agree 100% as I’m a proud redneck. I guess all these haters are perfect. Hell I’m not, I am having trouble getting my ZK-22 working properly. Lets see what kind of a response I get on my e-mail before I judge.

      • I’m not ashamed of being called a redneck, but I know that there are 2 different types of redneck kludges. There’s “Wow, that’s really cool/ingenious/creative/resourceful”, and then there’s “Yikes! What a monstrous piece of junk! I’m glad that is nowhere near my house.”. I don’t watch TV, so I can’t say which group their pieces go in.

      • Hello, sorry for being thick, but what does “Redneck” mean? all i know its sombody from the south usa ish, thats all i know being from England, but im all up for being indulged, thanks..

      • As far as redneck, I’m proud to call my self, my father, my uncles, grandmother, grandfather etc. rednecks. The term started with hippies traveling out in the country meeting people who physically worked hard outdoor jobs, thus their necks were red from sunburn. These were the people who MADE THINGS rather than sold things other people made. The derogatory bit came from people who couldn’t do that, but were saying they were smarter then the ‘rednecks’. Of course whatever it was that they did wouldn’t exist if not for ‘rednecks’ making it. Having a red neck means you are a working person who actually produces a product.

      • I’m from W.V. & also a proud redneck!!! I love the show. They do have & handle some awesome firearms. Has anyone on here ever even met or talked to Will in person? I have & you couldn’t ask for a better person to be around, & there was no business between us either. So to whom ever don’t like the show, don’t watch it. Turn the channel & check your damn stocks on CNN or anything. Don’t come down on something until you know something about it. NUFF SAID!!

    • Well, Steve, the thing about this show is that it’s airing international, in countries where it’s impossible to even see a gun let alone own them and fire them. And I still tune in week by week just for the thrill. You’re part of a lucky community, mate. Spare the rest of the world your opinion.

      • Minh, you have stated the biggest reason for us over hear to fight for our 2nd Amendment Rights. Sorry, I don’t watch those RJ idiots either but only because they don’t back up the junk they sell. I paid $299 at the NRA meeting in Houston last year for the ZK-22 conversion. Sure Joe signed it but it was $249 on their website and the thing never went together. Numerous e-mails just got me a ticket number but no conversation. No wonder Kris wanted to start his own business. BTW – I don’t buy from him either.

  2. Quite frankly, I find 99% of their firearms to be ugly, stupid, uncreative, and distasteful. Rails upon rails does not a fine arm make. Their integrally suppressed AK was cool, however. Will “searching for the right word” Hayden is painful to listen to. Good riddance if they go off the air.

    • Every week, they come up with something that’s never been done before because (as they claim) it can’t be done. But then they do it. So obviously, that’s not the reason it’s never been done before. It’s because it’s a stupid idea in the first place.

      Oh, and the daughter on American Gun is waaaaaayyyyy hotter. So, there’s that.

      The wife ain’t bad either. So, there’s that too.

      • And they’re not a bunch of backwoods rednecks either, so there’s that too, lol. All their guns look like crap, and all their ideas are stupid. An “AK Rail Gun”, really? They also have an ak shotgun, yeah, that has never been done before.

      • All of you bickering bickers can go back to doing what you do and not love this great country of our’s, look at the list of people that has been on air with RJF’s T.V. show, then look at “American Guns” tv show, GO HAYDENS & FORDS! Not to mention a FORMER HELO GUNNER, A TEACHER, AND KRIS’ MINIONs! Look at Gunsmoke, Rich and his son fighting about him going to Italy, man that’s some stupid crap, Will atleast loves Kris and stood by him when he asked for Steph’s hands in marriage like any further should do, Rich is looking out for his business and NOT THE FUTURE like his son! LIVE IN THE FUTURE, RJF is opening doors to their’s Gunsmoke…..eh I like them but someone need’s a lesson in future door openings, Mark Shereth sure came in so did his (Rich’s) ole buddy from the police force, but RJF had F’ING America’s greatest SEAL SNIPER on the show. As I said, I do like American guns but come on! Only perve watch that show! Will, Steph, Kris, Flem, Joe, Charlie, if you all come across this one day, you may be in the backwoods as these people say, YOU RULE for being in the middle of no where and living the American Dream! The Way God Intended – Will Hayden.. The best quote from TV since I can remember, that hasnt been censored!

        • OOWWW!! My head is hurting after trying to read your rant. I can understand what you are trying to say, but it would help if you could write in coherent sentences. The jumps in your story support the others saying only knuckleheads are viewers of both show. Although I am not a fan, they have hypnotize me like a car accident waiting to see what next will happen.

        • #1, paragraphs. If you don’t know what they are, please go back to school. Or jump off a near bridge.
          #2, even beyond that, I read the whole thing and still have no idea of what the heck you are talking about.
          Try making your point when you are sober…

      • We’re not doing a girl off… Its showing guns and suppressors etc… I think all three ladies are beautiful… You should never judge a book by its cover though…

    • Any of you fags actaully make or work on guns ,if so I know none of you are even close to theses guys in any aspect of the trade ,hence all this rampling must then by default mean that you are all just jealous.

      Get A Life
      Thank you kindly

      • Here Here!!!
        All you haters in US have no idea how good you have it!
        You would not believe how hard it is in the UK to just get the privilege to own a .22, so to be able to see some of the amazing weapons that are worked on and shown in the show is fantastic. If you don’t like what is shown DONT WATCH. Its not difficult to work it out.

        Thank you muchly

        Mark

      • Will I agree completely… I have been handling weapons since I was 7 years old… Breaking them down, cleaning, and putting them back together… My father taught me how to handle them and I will never stop. I love your show and everyone that is on it, especially your daughter… It is amazing that another female can handle shotguns, handguns and rifles of all kinds… Just remember there are more people out there that love your show than don’t…

      • Well, I’m a veteran United States Marine Corps armorer and I can personally say that 85-95% of the stuff I’ve seen on your show is either A:Idiotic or B: just plain screwed up. Eyeballing it to try to make a sniper rifle is quite simply a bad idea in and of itself. Playing mix up with gas tubes on 3 direct impingement rifles is rather silly. Also cutting down and destroying guns that will never be made again to make some idiotic “tacticool” version of it is quite simply desecrating parts of history that we will never be able to see again.

      • You tell them Will!! People are always going to “hate ” what they can’t have.I watch the show when i can catch it.As for all the haters..”If you dont like the show, change the damn channel! not hard to do. also at least make an effort to appear as an adult! Douchebags!”

    • I think your comment screams jealousy, in fact I think most of us would to be making the buck’s RedJacket is making.
      So chill dude, and don’t be so harsh, besides I think his daughter has a nice but.
      And at least it’s something to which we all can CONCUR on AAAAAAAA….

    • Jealousy has nothing to do with telling the truth. I still watch the show when nothing else is on but it seems to get worse with every episode. Half the firearms they claim has nver been built actually have been built. I would rather watch Future weapons of whatever is on the Military Channel. But hey! For people who have never picked up a firearm in the entire life this show can be entertaining, only bad thing is it also gives the wrong outlook on firearms.

    • I record it and fast forward it to Phlem/Flem working on the actual weapons. It used to be the blonde haired guy working on the weapons before but he is one of the bosses now. I think watching Will or Kris work on weapons is a waste of time. Their elaborate setups where they blow tons of stuff up must be paid for by discovery channel. The cost of the explosives can’t be cheap.
      I still don’t get how he has anyone working from him after promoting Kris to a manager for marrying his daughter.
      I didn’t realize Vince bailed Will out with the FFL stuff like this but I am suspicious where those 10 guns went. At least the show did not portray Vince as a very trust worthy person. I can understand him having enough of the shows BS.

  3. Or the flip side of that opinion are these shows, seemly hated by veterans of the firearms community, do bring the genre to a wider audience and thus make firearms more mainstream in our day and age.

    Just as everything in life, pros and cons…

    • I’ll probably get booed off the site for this…I first became interested in guns through this show. At that time I was 21 with zero guns and, while I had gone shooting twice, was not really interested. I’m now 22 with 2 guns and a wish list of about 16 more :). Plus I now get to hang out with all you cool people, as this is a website I would not have been interested in before. Like BWCustoms said, pros and cons.

  4. I gave up on the show after they mounted a machine gun in police helicopter. Not to mention the dynamic entry weapons Sons of Guns created for SWAT teams.

      • “Anybody who runs is a narco-terrorist. Anybody who stands still… is a well-disciplined narco-terrorist!”

        • the floating AR, the largest flame thrower, the decision to promote the one sleeping with your daugter, allagator kill stick, on and on and on with stupid moves and builds. the longer i watched the more i felt like vomiting, besides multiple times i contacted them for purchasing of items and no response what a load of crap. wanna watch firearm manufactering GUNSMOKE is the shop to watch, they have thier petty BS but at least they build real viable weapon systems and DONT bolster thier own puffery with nonsensical BS

        • Rich from gun smoke is a chiseler. His builds are twice as much as they should be. I know its all about profit in the end, but dam! Charging 5 grand for putting a stock on a rifle and doing a trigger job. Out here in the north east that would have been 2 guns and a weekend of rounds. Plus gas and jerky

      • Im a vet from Iraq and those gun ships were used a lot by some of the private contractors over there. As for police using them, just the swat teams. Again hillbillies pretending to be gun experts. As far as the daughter being hot, make up works miracles..hahaha

        • Rick,

          Why on Earth would anyone use a firearm (in a combat zone) that wasn’t backed up by more than a 3 man (and I’m being nice) business?

        • Well Rick FUCKING get over it. You should know by now that PMC’s are going to get all the good stuff because the U.S is too fucking cheap, again look at the piece of M16A3. If it came to it the average PMC squad would kick a U.S military unit’s ass.

  5. Interesting article Dan. The last straw for me with that show was an email promotion I got from a certain prominent gun magazine featuring a Sons of Guns episode where they made weapons for the local sheriffs “gunboat”. Said gunboat was needed so that the sheriff could protect the Louisiana coast from attack. By who or what? Why in the world does the local constable need a gunboat? They are plenty dangerous enough with current sidearms and driving habits.

      • Oh don’t worry, he’s not just putting mk:19’s on gunboats. Off the show, they’ve sold at least another dozen of them.

        I’m guessing that because BP decided to just pour money on Louisiana to cover soak up the oil they spilled the local law enforcement has been going slightly overboard on purchases.

      • If you paid attention they made mention of the reasons. Drug traffickers with large guns need to be met with equivalent or better firepower. I’m no fan of militarizing our local police forces (not unless the citizens are allowed to arm themselves similarly!), however, until the Feds take their jobs seriously (protecting the border) it’ll always be an arms race between local law enforcement and the cartels/gangs.

        • Since when does truth matter on these blogs? Many are haters. Some have little or no knowledge of what they post anonymously. They vent? Thanks for posting accurately, though I am not sure what good it will do.

  6. I never liked Sons Of Guns very much, but this reveals the entire premise of the show to be a fraud. Hayden is hardly ‘The Boss’ since he’s actually *forbidden* to manufacture or deal in firearms unless a real FFL is looking over his shoulder! And if the daughter were partly responsible for the unaccounted-for guns, they must have a real office manager (who stays hidden off-camera) to make sure they don’t accidentally commit any felonies.

    If I were an FFL, I’m not sure how comfortable I’d be putting my license and my livelihood in the hands of Hayden & Daughter. It would be like a practicing lawyer (such as me) hiring a disbarred attorney to do my legal work for me, putting my bar number on the line, and hoping he got it right.

    • I am a active FFL holder, and i have watched this show several times. I have had several questions about some legal “issues” that I have seen. I’m not a lawyer but I am familiar with the laws regulating my trade and I see some questionable things from time to time. I have always chalked it up to being a tv show. Lost/or missing firearms is a big deal. The main pooint the ATF inspector will be interested in is your aquuisition & disposition book. I’m suprised a company in the spot light like that would take a risk like that.

  7. It’s a reality show and I can’t stand ’em, you can put all the firearms you want on it, and it’s still a reality show. As Mick Foley once said “The real world is faker than wrestling”, and that applies to any reality show. I’ll stick with the Military Channel and my History Channel DVDs.

    • They have a lot of interesting items, they provide historical background, so it’s educational, the personalities are entertaining and most importantly, they keep the petty and contrived human drama to a minimum. It doesn’t insult your intelligence.

      Do they still build motorcycles on OCC or do they just yell at each other for an hour? Haven’t seen the show in years.

      • Actually, since they went to their separate corners there hasn’t been any fighting and twice the bikes being built. Each ass clown builds their own bike in every episode.

        • Theme bikes are stupid. Heres an idea….BADASS. Thats your theme. And actually build it,not buy the parts and put it together

  8. I guess I’m in the extreme minority because I get a kick out of the show. I take it for what it is – a ‘reality’ show – and for me its fun to see all the different wacky guns. Being that I’ve worked with many Cajuns and found them very personable the crew at Red Jacket doesn’t bother me a bit. American Guns, however, is an entirely different story….

    Its a shame Red Jacket (as with any gun shop) didn’t keep on top of their books. Missing guns should never, ever happen. Being that it was TMZ that reported it I can’t help but wonder if there’s more to the story. Apparently Vince just registered a new site,

    http://www.mesakineticresearch.com/

    • Thats close to what I was thinking. All this hate for the show, Will and Steph, why do they even look it up if they hate it so much. A guy says watched it once, then still looks it up and goes online to what ???? Complain. Really? I look for shows I like and comment on those. Makes no sense. I hope they get it straightened out and are back on for 10 years.

    • I was watching American Guns just for the hot mom and daughter. Whoever the dad always seemed to have something stuck up his ass. And just seemed obnoxious with pulling out huge blocks of cash or bars of silver. Maybe that’s how it really works in their world but I only have a credit card so I can’t relate.

  9. Considering the Discovery show wasn’t in production until late 2010, and didn’t air until 2011, it would appear this happened well before the show ever existed. If, in fact, it did happen as described. TMZ isn’t what you’d call a reliable news source.

  10. Will is careful with his words, saying things like “we have to do some paperwork” and other vague references. It’s entirely possible he’s a shell for the company. I’m sure he’s got backers and investors who don’t want to see it collapse.

  11. Trash show, trash guns, on a trash network, featuring a lot of trash people. That show doesn’t do a damn thing for gun rights, and it seems most of the shit they make goes to the fatassed local SWAT uber-tacticool mouth breathers. If I lived anywhere near there, I don’t know which I’d be more afraid of, the insane SWAT, or their garbage weapons, which I’d guess are severely lacking in the mechanical safety area.

  12. Maybe the missing guns went to Fast and Furious?
    I thought the show could be sort of interesting, but the goon squads they make the guns for are play toys at taxpayer expense.

  13. Perhaps I misread the article, but why are these people still legally in business?

    They ‘lost’ ten firearms. As a result they had their FFL rightfully revoked.

    So why are these people still in the commercial firearms industry? Had my local FFL lost ONE firearm they’d be closed before sundown.Permanently

    • Technically, Red Jacket Firearms does not sell any guns. They are a – pick your term here – showroom, front, tv business and use a legit FFL who is actually the seller of the firearms. This is a setup that could only happen in tv land.

  14. For all the complaints voiced here I’m still glad that we no longer live in the Clinton days when just showing a gun on tv was forbidden.

  15. I do not think the majority of the folks that comment on this site, have any clue about anything relating to “guns” and/or “reality shows.” On the other side some of them are totally green with Envy, and and blue with jealousy.

    Oh that right.. They all work as gunsmiths and film show-runners, producers, directors, editors and network executives. That must be it! Sorry i missed that behind all the trolling going on in here. Ya know there is a button ..err.. Many- buttons on the remote to get to other channels and clicker to othar places on the inter-webs dare any one to start throwing rock into your glass house. Sorry for the bluntness, Just think about it from their side as what i ask you to try.. These folks on these “Reality Shows” are under a 50,00000 power microscope with the camera following them all day weather it is sweeping the floors or taking a dump Would like to see a few of you all getting that treatment. Would not last 1 day let alone 13 episodes. Then all of the “Raw footage” goes to “Editors” . Who have the Show-Runner tell them how he wants it edited for drama. Then we get to see the sideshow antics, just so he can hopefully win a crappy award. Then there are the stars of the show Worst of all, the folks that are being filmed, the stars of the show, get the least amount of money for 1 or 2 seasons, depending the contract That is mostly how it is before any real money comes in.
    I say good luck to whoever stays and hope things get better for you all!
    Thanks

    • Reality TV show or not, someone f**ked up. 10 weapons unaccounted for?

      If a private owner has ten weapons stolen from his car because he failed to lock the doors said owner would be rightly ridiculed. I again submit that had any local FFL ive done business with been investigated for the same thing they would be shut down cold-forget changing owners or finding another FFL holder, they’d be out of business .End . Of. Story.

      Yet these folks get a pass.
      I guess some FFLs are more equal than others.If anything the cameras are what saved their necks.

    • This is America, my friend, and I don’t know where in the world you’re from, but out here, people are entitled to their opinions.

  16. i see teh lolcats haz struk agan. Now to get back on topic. Being an AK mechanic does not make you a gunsmith. It’s reality TV. It’s supposed to be stupid.

    • It is rather puzzling that they still have a FFL after misplacing 10 or so weapons. I smell something rotten here. What kind of deal did they have to make with the ATF to keep the FFL with the gun business? Remember the ATF let weapons bought from Arizona gunshops go south of the border into Mexico to arm drug dealers. What is the ATF requiring Will Hayden and Red Jacket Firearms to do for them? From what I can see from the reality show is to make gun owners and gunshops look like imbeciles that should not be allowed to have weapons. If you can’t beat them use someone from the inside to work for you. GUN CONTROL.

      • Because maybe they were never missing in the first place. After all, TMZ is as much of a hack outfit and any out there.

    • You mean TMZ didn’t use accurate information and printed a story for hype value? My faith in humanity is shattered!

      Whatever you may think of RJF, when they get called to consult in Jordan via the DOD, they must be doing something right. Sure many of their “builds for TV” are hokey. It’s a TV show after all! But for them to have such a mega backlog on orders they must turn out a decent product. Or maybe everyone of their customers are blithering idiots? Heh

      I can’t stand WWF but that doesn’t stop millions of people from paying the $50+ to watch it. If you don’t like the show, DON’T WATCH IT!

  17. I have watched the show from the beginning for about 10 episodes. I got tired of seeing all the “gunsmiths” only ever using a die grinder for all machining operations (I realize it makes pretty sparks for the cameras). That plus the unsafe gun handling just made it too hard for me to watch. I’ve been shooting for almost 40 years, was a certified NRA rifle instructor for over 20 years, so I feel my opinion is worth the same 2 cents as everyone else’s here. Had they actually done some inovative design and work instead of the Orange county chopper machine gun (ugly toy), or the full auto grenade launcher on the sherriff’s boat (the taxpayers of that area REALLY need to think about where their tax dollars are going), I would have enjoyed the show a lot more.

  18. I see no proof they have lost their ffl. It is a good show and better than some of the b.s. that is shown on tv

  19. While I’ll agree that according to the site that Shawn provided, the FFL is licensed to Red Jacket Firearms, LLC, NOT William or Stephanie Hayden. So, the business has a FFL license, but it may be that keep it open they’ve had to find a new FFL holder to own the business.

    On the other hand, so far, TMZ is the only place I’ve seen this reported, but then I’ve really just started looking into it.

    Thanks for the link, Shawn.

  20. IF … if there’s any truth to the rumor, it bears repeating that we trust the ATF no further than we can spit. Maybe not even that far. So losing 10 firearms? No, more than likely losing track of 10 serial numbers. The definition of firearm to the ATF is muddled at best, so the real problem is serial numbers, not functional weapons. Given that they routinely mangle, tear down, mix-n-match, and otherwise disassemble multiple weapons on the show, it’s more than likely the 10 serial numbers don’t correspond in any real world manner to any actual weapon out in public. It wouldn’t be the first time the ATF went all medieval on a paperwork problem.

    I have my own issues with the show, but I’d be dipped in shit before I take the ATF side of any controversy.

    • BINGO! The ATF has “lost” a lot more than 10 guns in the recent past, have they not? Oh, but since they are the government, its all okay…like you said, probably some paperwork snafu…

    • They were missing 10 firearms, they didn’t find 10 unregistered firearms that needed serial numbers/paperwork. It’s not a controversy as they are not denying the MISSING GUNS. Instead they struck a deal to keep the business/show running.

      If the serial numbers are on pieced together weapons that are on the street, they should know where they are or at least who the next owner was. Either way, they’re missing.

  21. “The ATF can be sticklers about keeping track of guns. Unless they’re headed south of the border, that is.”

    Oh ATF, you so crazy..

  22. this is about right a man and his fam try getting the us dream by running there own bissnes and some dam foll steps in and jerks the rug right out from under them.thats a dam sham the man severd his country and they kick hime in the ass.and you the dam publek whout the hell do you now about guns and sales of guns.when the shit hits the fan you will hope he will be there to help your sorrey asses.if there is anyway that i can do to help them i will. i have serverd in the usmc and we never leve one behinde. Semper Fi will carrey on.for the rest of you commeys kiss my usa ass.move if you dout like guns .

  23. If he sends guns and money to the Mexican drug cartels like Obama and Holder he should get a reprieve.

  24. You know not one single red blooded American will stand behind almost anyone in government these days due to their inability to tell the truth oh and not to mention most are traders to what America is all about so Will I don’t have to tell you that every american is on your side except maybe the jealous ones right I have been through that deal all my life any way have a merry Christmas everyone at Red Jacket from me and my wife and to all good Americans that love America and to all who are traders to America get the Hell out!

  25. First off the so called NRA instructor maybe should have listened better. See the work done for the sheriff boat was not at tax payer expense as was said, but at RJF cost I believe. This is based on the comments made in the show on that very subject! In the show it was plainly stated it was there time to give some back. Now as for did they or did they not lose there FFL. Well if they did I would not be surprised for the very fact if the ATF go’s for you they will find some thing. That is unless you are one of the few that has never in your life forgot to cross a T or dot an I or ever made any mistakes in life! Be it a paper mistake or what not. Most gun smith and people that know any thing also know in almost every build the ATF can walk in and find some thing period. fact is if they (ATF) in there shop can make your build go full auto after 8 hours work you will get nailed if they want you. Now almost any gas operated gun (semi auto) that can be done end of story! By the way how many of you can list all the Kinds of FFL that one can get? Ya there is a lot more then just one kind!

    Now before the ATF starts going after people like this the first thing they need to do is find there own over 1,300 missing guns that they let walk as a part of there operation to circumvent the constitution of the US and the 2nd amendment rights of this countries people!
    last point this shop also dose not have your run of the mill FFL at all but they do have a special one that allows them to build set guns that a average Joe FFL would get to see the inside of prison for. So that brings up other things like one there not that easy to get. Two you will not find a replacement FFL of that kind at the drop of a hat! So that makes this whole story very very suspect. Coming from a very anti gun based leaning media source it’s not being true or it being way over embellished would also not be a surprise at all. now people that read and believe this stuff in these so called entertainment media well maybe you need to do some research on your own and stop believing every thing they feed you because they are feeding you a lot of what just is not so.

  26. I’ve only watched a few episodes but from what I’ve seen I have to say that this is sad news indeed. They had just invented the master key shotgun and I was looking forward to them “inventing” the 1911 or maybe the AK-47.

  27. I been playing a cat mouse game with RJ over a suppressor / they had my money
    since 4/01/2011 atf approved the suppressor / AND THE LITTLE DARLING HAS BEEN GIVING ME RUN A ROUND /STILL NO PRODUCT
    THEY ARE SCAMMERS

  28. THIS STORY IS AN OUT AND OUT LIE!! RED JACKET STILL HASE THE FULL CLASS 3 FFL TYPE 09 ,AND IS STILL IN 100% COMPLIANCE WITH ALL FED REGULATIONS . CHECK THE ATF WEBSITE FOR YOURSELF

  29. According to jordy’s link, the first part of the story is confirmed, Buckles did indeed take over. Nothing about him leaving since though.

  30. After looking at your “Proof” with the SOS of Louisiana only looks like Will made his company a LLC rather than a Inc which many companies are doing for tax purposes.

    So I would say the TMZ report is wrong

  31. Love the show. There are too few shows on TV that are about skill and creativity. American chopper was OK until it became a soap about the Father ans son relation ship. I hope Red Jacket comes back from this without a scratch.

  32. First off, you can not believe anything TMZ says, they are ran by anti gun liberals who do nothing but make up gossip about celebrities, now Vince did leave but only because he wanted to move on and he created his own company. Red Jacket Firearms still has there FFL according to the ATF, it’s public record, there could be many reasons why they changed to an LLC. I like the show and will still watch it, I also watch American Guns even though their shooting skills are a joke, they are supposed to be expert shots but they don’t shoot like they are, they jump for joy when they hit a milk jug at 5 yards, my 7 year old nephew can do that. The real person who should be in trouble for loosing guns is Eric Holder but nothing will happen to Obama’s pet stooge. People should be outraged by that story instead of some Internet rumor.

    • Kennith thanks for clearing up the crap and giving us the truth, and by the way don’t use SNOOPS to verify anything as they are owned by a left wing radical and spin everything in that direction, if you get my drift.

    • Kennith/Dno, How in the hell can you guys make claims about companies, without providing sources for your accusations? Just being your “word” doesn’t mean crap, unless you cite your source, personal knowledge or experience.Guess what! I’m a Liberal too!!! I’m still active duty military (27 years now), own three guns, served in Korea, Iraq, and Kuwait, and defend your rights of free speech. But that doesn’t mean there is any truth behind your speech!

      • Rob unless you wear a few stars on your shoulder you’re not active duty still!! I love the way that liberals can criticize people about everything and yet have NO actual point in their comment’s. But they always find time to mention their personal accomplishment to make them feel good!
        Red Jacket and Gun smoke are fine examples true American innovation. Which is what this country needs more of now more than ever. I have checked the facts and made many calls and found Red Jacket Firearms Is doing fine. Vincent has branched out under his own label.
        As to Eric Holder and the other Obama groupies. He hide their faults better than his birth certificate!

        • Shupp,
          Had you called Enron prior to their collapse, they’d have told you they were “doing fine,” as well. 🙂

          I’m a liberal, and I’m a Vet (U.S. Army 71-77). The notion that only “conservatives” enjoy firearms is a stereotype that’s hurting the (your) message. I could stereotype you based on your last sentence, but I won’t. Fair enough? 🙂

          My firearms range from a Colt Woodsmen and a Remington XP-100 through to a 22-250, 243, 250-3000, 308, 300 mag. and a 45-70. I own no AR “M-16” wannabe look-a-likes. They bore me. An old school M-16 could be fun, at least it had full auto.

          And what’s with the “stars on shoulder” comment about Active Duty? I was enlisted (E-6), and active duty for 5 years, 10 months, 24 days. Never had a single star on my shoulder. ???

      • Korea, Iraq, Kuwait in theater campaigns or are you just naming places you’ve been? My 17 years of service as a grunt may not stack up against your 27 but I feel no need to field guns although I respect their power and occasion will fire a few rounds at the local range but back to the point, but I think Kennith referred to the public record that anyone can see. This isn’t a formal article but a blog and where even your words may not carry merit as well. By the way, I defended OUR rights of free speech along other past, present, future true service members. I don’t reserve that punchline when it only serves me, something you missed in your “27 Years” of service.

    • Dear mr.Kennith that is the truth about Obama if you have been keeping up with the news.Obama doesn’t even have a real birth certificate or a ssn number that is legal in this country in fact he is leading this country right down the drain.we need to get him out of office this election year or he will take all of our rights and freedoms away from everyone in this country!!!!!!

        • Seems as if Will has to bring Vince back into the show to spice it up some because it’s really a boring show now. The whole team doesn’t know what the other hand is doing encluding Will. The team is scrapping the bottom of the barrel with the show. That Kris is about like obama he has no place where any calls of importance is required. He’s a Vince Wantabe. lol

  33. I found some legal documentation and it appears that Joseph Radford sued the Haydens becasue Mr. Hayden gave Joseph some stock certificates to Red Jacket that evedently gave Joseph 10 percent ownership of RJF. It is also documented that “Hayden told the Plaintiff (Joseph) that he should throw the stock certificates away becasue they are worthless.”All of this happened way before the show even came about, on or araound 7 September 2002. It would appear that Mr. Hayden is not a very good guy and evedently has made some mistakes that have affected his business.

  34. Let me also state that if you go to that counties government page, there is record of Buckles owning RJF on paper that is so that leads me to believe something is going on…

  35. I think it might be true……if you go to Vincent Buckles facebook page he says that he is relieved that the truth is finally coming out. As far as the show goes I think its a joke. It is so scripted and fake it is not even funny (along with that American Gun show). Don’t get me wrong, I am a gun owner/collector and a 2nd amendment rights advocate. I just cant stand bad acting in what is supposed to be a reality show.

  36. I enjoy the show. After all it is only a TV show. Did you see the show where they made a yellow-boy rifle? That was one beautiful gun. Some of the gun building they do is a work of art. Sometimes if you don”t have something good to say about someone, it is better to keep your mouth shut. We all had better get out and vote for someone that will protect our gun rights. Our sitting President won’t have to face the voters after this election. So he can grab our guns if he is elected again, and not have to pretend he is for gun rights.

    • Wrong show, they built a Yellow Boy on American Guns – not Sons of Guns. Both are great shows IMO.

  37. I like the TV Show just for all the variety of unusual weapons you get to see these guys build and shoot. You would not see these things anywhere else. Yes, I agree that the Show has some challenges, but overall it’s still a lot of fun and everything they make is well crafted. This background story about the loss of the Hayden’s FFL just makes it more interesting and I an intrigued to see who took Vincent’s place. I really liked him and wish him all the best in his efforts. He will be missed. Insofar as our Second Amendment Rights, we should all view the Government that seeks to disarm the American People it governs as tyrannically contemptuous of the intelligence and responsibility of the vast majority of law-abiding Recreational Shooters and Hunters. A properly minded government has no reason to fear such a populous and should never pander to the lowest common denominator of the minority who use firearms criminally or irresponsibly.

  38. I think that any tv show that gets the public involved, or interested positively into gun ownership is a plus right now. RJF is one dealer, I am sure there are a lot of behind the scenes issues that come up with other dealers, however there is added scrutiny to being in the public eye. I love the mom and pop shops, they are the true essence of America.

  39. Weather you like the show or not, I was robbed by RJF, and it’s employees!ALFRED REED (Plaintiff)VERSUSRED JACKET FIREARMS INTERNATIONAL, RED JACKET INC., RED JACKET FIREARMS L.L.C, WILLIAM, & TRUDY LEE HAYDEN, IT’S EMPLOYEES, & SHAREHOLDERS (Defendant(s)FACTS OF COMPLAINT AS OF THE 13TH DAY OF DECEMBER, 2011I, ALFRED REED, on the 9th day of November, 2011, purchased, online, 1-KMP DI AR-15, with my Credit Card. In the amount $1,258.95. On the 14th day of November, 2011, without notification, I, Alfred Reed, was transferred to the state of Nevada, (temporary), by my employer for emergency purposes. On the 29th day of November, 2011, I called Red Jacket Firearms LLC, @ 225-448-3167. I, Alfred Reed, spoke with an employee, “Christine”. Christine stated, “your firearm is complete, I was just about to call yah’. You can come pick it up”. I, Alfred Reed, I won’t be in, or around the state of Louisiana, anytime soon. I’m taking care of some business on the west coast. Christine, “ok, then we’ll hold it here, til you make it back”. Lost the call!! On the 1st day of December, 2011, I was notified by my employer that I would be on the west coat for a while, I, Alfred Reed, emailed Red Jacket LLC, To: Ms. Jennifer & Red Jacket Firearms Team. I noticed I had a missed call from a Jennifer. On the 2nd day of December, 2011, I, Alfred Reed, recalled Jennifer, ask if she received email? (Exhibit B)Jennifer, “No, I don’t believe so! Can I give you a call back after the weekend? Ok!I, Alfred Reed, on the 7th day of December, 2011, received a phone call from Red Jacket Firearms LLC, employee, Stephanie. Stephanie, “you have called and emailed us so many times inquiring about certain things that lead us to be suspicious. It is our policy, if suspicious, we terminate the business. We don’t want to do business with you, and your credit card will be fully refunded. We believe this is an illegal transaction”. I, Alfred Reed, ok, I’m sorry for any mis-communications. I did mention that this was my 1st purchase of a firearm and I’m excited! Again, my apologies that we can’t do business, and thank you for your time. Oh, by the way, I’ll receive my full refund? Stephanie, “Yes, in the amount of $1,258.95. It’ll go back on your credit card.” Thank you again!I, Alfred Reed, request that the Owners/Operators of Red Jacket Firearms L.L.C, International, Incorporated, Mr. William, and Trudy Lee Hayden, Employees & Shareholders, return to my Credit Card, in the amount of $1,258.95. Due to the Non-Purchase of Item(s), and Cancellation by Red Jacket Firearms, L.L.C, Inc, International, Per Stephanie. As of the 30th day of Dec. 2011, I have yet to receive a returned charge, money order, check, phone call, or an e-mail.

    • First off…You are a real idiot…if you go on their site it takes 6MONTHS to get the fire arm made, let alone transfered with back ground checks… you claim this all went down in less than two months? some one has either to much time on their hands to write this stupid lawyer sounding crap, or can be laughed at by the judge that sees this…and by the way…they have 90 days to refund that money…so we are talking about a total 9 month (6 months to build and recieve) (90 days to refund) period of time in which you are JUMPING THE GUN on a gun purchase, just suing them because they have a tv show…. you are,as you stated, obviously a first time gun purchaser…good day and get your facts straight before you post some dumb crap like this!

      • Jman I am a ffl dealer it take the atf 4 month to approve the
        making of the suppressor then i have too go through a background check be fore you call names ck your information

        • As a dealer you would know this guy has 60 days (or 90 in some jurisdictions) to get a CC charge reversed with a phone call and signing some paperwork. He seems to want attention because he feels blown off by some tiny gun shop in Louisiana. Can’t blame him really, but there’s a simple way to make sure he doesn’t lose his money if he calls the issuer soon.

      • Agree with jman. Just call the credit card company. Most card companies have protection plans and would cancel and reverse the transaction. …Unless paid with a Debit card. That’s a different deal.

      • Hay jman it sounds like to me that you are one of the jackass’s who work for that idiot show red jacket.and y’all want give that man back his money…..

      • If I was purchasing my first firearm I would just go down to a local dealer. Not try to buy one over long distance. Duh.

    • I too was robbed by RJF. I have filed a complaint with the BBB. They are poor business people and not professional AT ALL! Anyone who buys a weapon from them is JUST STUPID!!!! Oh and the show is nothing but whining and drama..Definitely WILL NEVER watch those idiots again!!!

      • Thank you for sharing that “whining and drama” that also apparently extends to this blog and not just the show. If you were really robbed you would contact law enforcement and not the better business bureau you brain child.

    • 20 days to get a gun from RJF I like get that. Returned to CC can take up to 30 days you need to call your bank.

    • Yeah Im with jman, and darrell in what state are you in and do you know how different the laws are for LA with which ever state you’re in. Your info has holes in it too. And Al, seriously why did you bother posting all of this. Is there pending litigation or was this just filed and thats all thats happened? It’s a TV show about guns, don’t like it then don’t watch it. Although you have the right to your opinions it doesn’t always mean you have to share it in such detail. To be honest from the emails it looks like you’re a difficult customer to deal with.

  40. Mr. Zimmerman, I’m going to ask that you contact me immediately via email, which you now have. Your article, from it’s “headline” through content is completely false and damaging to the business and reputations of the people involved. It’s grossly irresponsible to publish things like this and actionable. I look forward to hearing from you.

  41. I won’t even waist my time with you or your show. Your li*s must be attached
    to someone’s rear by being on the air.
    You got off easy and maybe you should kiss some govt officials a**.
    Get a little education before anymore ventures.
    Most joints could use a firearms maker. Notice I did not say good.
    Wonder when that channel you use will be shut down for showingf how to make
    illegal ******s.

    • Their show does not show how to make illegal stuff, it is entertainment. No where have they shown how to make the firing mechanism or how to ream the barrels or even to make a receiver. They are very careful that nothing they show can be completed by the average person. And for the most part it is not illegal to build your own weapon so long as its not fully auto or other restricted weapon. Currently in the USA it is perfectly legal to build your own weapon for yourself without a FFL. It’s when you sell the weapons you go from a builder to a manufacturer and need an FFL. I have made my own receiver and built an AK around it and am considering doing a handgun next possibly 9mm maybe 6 months down the road as I have other projects to do first.

  42. Seems like a lot of animosity from people that don’t have a TV show. Reading all the drivel and hate from members here, I certainly won’t be affiliating with people here.

  43. I have a tactical ar the rjf made its the best firearm I own I got to meet chris and will when I picked it up two of the nicest guys id ever meet so all of you that like talking sh!t about people you dont even know well screw you. RJF 4 life

  44. I dont why they need a licence i was buying estes rocket at the hobby shop when i was twelve I feel sorry for the company thats going to use them against the pirates off africa ,will should feel ashamed is there no sand down there to bury his head in

  45. I still enjoy the show. They did make a beautiful yellow-boy rifle. The lady on the show is hot. One of the show on yesterday told what RJF name came from. That touched my heart.

  46. I only watched one episode of Red Jackets “Sons of Guns”.
    I know I won’t watch anymore, it’s just a “gun” version of Orange County Choppers.
    First it’s about a family company making interesting custom items.
    As time goes on, it devolves into a soap opera about the friction and interactions of the workers/ family.
    Who gives a flying fart?

    • Um the millions of viewers watching the show, thats who. Oh and you were one of them. Have a nice day!

    • If you have seen only one show, as you have stated, tell me how you know how the show progresses “as time goes on”. Come on now, Keith. Show a little intelligence if you can’t show respect.

    • Agree with earlier poster. Trust me, it is tough being the “go to” guy while others get credit, praise and money, and then call YOU out when you decide to take your talents somewhere else….Vince was getting boned, and will never EVER buy anything from RedJ….For being a former Marine, Will should know you would NEVER put the most junior guy in charge for something big–his head must be the same place Chris’s is, somewhere near Steph’s ass!

      • “being a former Marine, Will should know you would NEVER put the most junior guy in charge for something big” – DaBus

        Obviously you never spent time in the FMF. Being given a huge responsibility with a chance to prove yourself is how you train and build that junior guys confidence to excel.

      • Vince has had a bad attitude on many occasions and the way he “crybabied” the piston AR build simply because he didn’t get the lead is simply childish. Vince has shown that he is not a team player and proved that with the AR build. The FFL issue is certainly troubling, but at the end the day it’s Will’s money going into these projects, not Vince’s. As a Vet myself I’m surprised that so many of you are taking his side especially the Marines, who live by “Adapt, Improvise, & Overcome”. Vince (at least on camera) seems to follow “Cry, Pout, & Leave”. Vince has shown an on camera attitude which shows someone incapable of being a team player who appears to have left the show in a tantrum.

        • Vince was treated like crap, he saved the business from going belly up and Will gives the project to a guy who had no experience building a AR instead of his head gunsmith, then when Chris couldn’t finish the job, Vince had to complete it yet Chris got the credit, I would be angry too. No wonder that shop is going down. I know people who ordered from them but never got their guns,. The shop is history.

        • Dear vapatriot did it ever occur to you that he has a lot on him with tuning a failing business with all the shit will&stephnie puts on him

        • Dear vapatriot did it ever occur to you that he has a lot on him with runing a failing business with all the shit will&stephnie puts on him

    • What a bunch of whinnying ass ex military bitches posting on here. Don’t you know everything you’ve seen on SOG’s was exactly what they wanted you to see. Damn, what a bunch of dumb asses. I happen to like some of Red Jacket’s stuff, works pretty damn good on the few guns I have.

  47. It’s unfortunate there are so many haters on here. If you don’t like guns don’t watch, if you do, take it for what it is. It sucks to have to deal with legalities, especially with firearms, while maintaining an image acceptable to the public eye. Mistakes can be made, and it may suck. But why bust someones balls about it

    • Why is someone that voices their honest opinion is considered a hater? Is it because it’s a negative opinion?

  48. hang in there it will work out if you keep the fight going aganist the goverment gun haters. The ATF will fall in line when the gun owners in the U.S.A HAVE just let them try and take a good old boy’s gun away from him? The japenese new most american’s are armed they didn’t attack the US because of that reason. The US goverment should take note of the reason ! Being the 2nd amendment! Give your gun up to the goverment and what will you do if the economy crashes totally and you need to feed your family are you going too throw rocks to get your food? take a bear, moose,dear,elk,rabbit protect your self from snakes while hunting. How long will it take for the wild to take over with no population control?For get growing a garden just to feed the over populated wildlife.Give your gun away god help you! You can’t help your self without a gun? UNLESS YOU ASK FOR GOVERMENT HELP OR AS THEY SAY ENTITLEMENTS! GO GET YOUR GOVERMENT ENTITLEMENT, FOOD BASKET. ONLY IF THEY TRY AND TAKE YOUR GUN OR IF THEY DO? You will be the goverment puppet they are pushing for pull my strings!!

  49. Loved the show till the last two episodes….Chris dropped the ball on the new AR gun and Vince had to bail him out but Chris gets to go to Las Vegas because he is didddling the bosses daughter and Vince gets blamed for the gun not operating right..can’t blame Vince for quitting an dhope Chris figures out he doesn’t have a third of the knowledge that Vince had when it comes to fixing and building guns

    • Vince does know alot more then Chris which is why he should have put that gun together with the right parts for full auto before shipping it to Vegas.

      • If you were being treated like shit during the shows,you would have done the same thing.Don’t blame Vince on his gunsmith skills,it’s just the way, he was being treated.Think of it this way.Would you put someone in charge of possibly the most important project for the company,that is only a apprentice in the shop,or someone that has great gunsmith skills like Vince,but get kicked in the ass for it.If you ever watched the shows,Will would always appraise Kris for his work and not Vince,but Vince always did the work.After a while it takes a toll on you and something is going to break.That was a very bad business decision by Will,even though Vince owned the company.If that AR-15 project in the last show was that important, and I was Will,why did Will not tare apart the gun himself and find out the reason why it did not fire correctly before taking to the range.Kris didn’t have a clue when he tore apart the gun himself what was wrong with it.An he was in charge of the biggest project for the company.That’s Real Scary.Vince good luck to you and your family.I hope everything works out for your new company.God Bless

        • If glory and notoriety is what he’s looking for then he really wasn’t part of the team. Pretty poor attitude of slapping parts together and walking out shows his true character I guess. He was given the responsibility of being a leader, which from what I can tell did not show any of the characteristics. I may not agree with tasking the project to the apprentice but Kris was the “project leader” on this one. Vince failed in recognizing that and let his arrogance get in the way. He’s a great gunsmith but attitude and work ethic is not desirable.

          • It’s easy to sit here on our couches and monday morning quaterback who did what about people we don’t know. Yea there’s probly some favortizum toward Chris because of Will’s daughter and that’s life. But Chris was the project leader, which means you appoint certain things to certain people and make sure the project gets done. It doesn’t mean that you have to do it all from start to finish and when he did go to the had gunsmith at the shop for his input, Vince which was supposed to be the shop leader walked out in a temper tantrum. That being said, we don’t know what all was going on in Vince’s life either, way have been personal things that fueled that or could be that Vince was mad he wasn’t going to get all credit for the build? He did keep saying that Chris was in charge of it and didn’t feel like he should have to help. Last time I checked there wasn’t an I in team. Maybe we are all jealous that we don’t have a national t.v. show or get to do what we love for a living, I know I am. Bottom line is the team chain is only as strong as the week link, maybe Vince left out the full auto part on purpose and put it under Chris’s bench or maybe he just didn’t think about it because he was there all night trying to fix the problem Chris was having, which he did. Where ever the ball was dropped it should have been a team sport and when the quaterback Chris ask the best player on the team to catch the ball and run with it that player walked off the field for what ever reason. Chris may not ever have the skills that Vince has but he wasn’t expected to, he was in charge of appointing certain problems toward those skills to get job done, weather he’s with Will’s daughter or not. Let’s not forget also that Will’s the boss and can do what he want’s with his shop, good or bad. If an employe dosn’t like Will’s rules then they are free to leave and open there own shop if want to. Or this could be all a ploy on Discovery’s part to have a spin off show, bottom line is none of us were there.

            • In the episode before the finale, right after Will yells at Vince, but before Vince walks in to help kris you can clearly see kris drop the part on the floor.

      • Didn’t you see kris chuck a wobbley with parts flying on floor just before vince took over the build?

    • My problem with Vince is that he makes sure to let everyone know how big a Christian he is and then acts like a spoiled little child. What would Jesus do? Lot likely he would cover himself in tattoos and throw temper tantrums.

    • Dear LD that’s the truth chris is more of a follower not a leader. Vince was more of a leader. Everytime I watched the show Vince was pulling Chris’s but out pf the fire.

  50. i used to love this show, but ever since kris started banging wills ugly azz daughter, its gone down hill….vince should have been put in control of that project since day one, but Will screwed up and put that idiot kris is charge. the relationship between kris and steph killed this show. im wit Vince, i was happy to see him leave. Will is a dirtbag on a “PAUL Sr.” like level.

  51. Anybody else smell set up to a spin off or atleast the American chopper formula, one show 2 shops? While makin neat guns can be pretty cool, it can get kinda bland after even half a season. No matter how much explosives they pack into whatever they were shooting at, guess ya also have to add unoriginal creative ideas to spice a show up.
    Just started watching this series,it hooked me & lost me in the same day. Towards the end it started feeling staged. Nobody craps on there bread & butter which obviously Vince was.
    Thanks for being more about ratings than actual discovery DSC. Youve really raised the bar in mediocre crap tv.

  52. It’s a shame Will put Vince on the back burner because of the issue with Stephanie and Kris. One could see how it was going to end as each shows progressed.
    Vince figured out why the gun didn’t work properly as was shown when Vince test fired it in auto mode. The sad part is Vince put the manual part back in the gun after he test fired it knowing it would fail once the spring was replaced and test fired again. It didn’t take Will long to find the problem and have the hydro piece shipped to Vegas .
    In the filming of the last show it’s evident Vince wanted Red Jacket to fail and lose any type of contract.
    It’s a shame Vinces crimal actions may mess up his chances of working in his chosen feild of work
    I would not hire Vince to work for me

    • Vince started his own company, you should know what your talking about before running your mouth. Criminal action? The only criminal action was from Will when 10 guns disappeared, this shop is history.

      • Well Mr know it all that gun would not work in auto mode without the proper hydro part installed in it as it did when Vince test fired it for the camera prior to being shipped. Do tell Mr know it all how the part was taken out and the other one installed ? With that said I guess you aren’t as informed as you think.

  53. i have no idea what you are talking about you need to look back at the episodes. First Kris is actually the one who lost the hydro piece it falls when he is just moving pieces around his table and vince is telling him he will fix kris messyou see it fall and then vince grabs another one from flems table. vince did not do anything to hurt the company directly.

  54. I agree Kris was at fault. NOT Vince. Kris only got to do the job because he is dating Will’s daughter. Will should have never given the job to Kris, he does not have the experience. Kris is a good kid, but when trying to get a big contract you don’t give it to someone who cannot do it. Will, will be very sorry losing Vince , if he is smart he will try and get him back.

  55. Well every business has drama…I just wonder how much of it was created by the cutting room at Discovery to pump up their ratings. I enjoyed watching the show at the beginning since they kept innovating already stablished gun designs, but suddenly started to get more dramatic. For some reason it reminds me a little bit of American Chopper. It wouldn’t surprise me to see a spin off from the show with Vince and Will Sr vs Junior style.

  56. It sucks to feel like your not treated well at work. Bottom line is will is the boss, Chris was lead, Vince didn’t do his job on this project. Always do the best job possible. It’s a reflection on you as a person not just as an employee. Pouting and getting pissed off b/c your not in charge and leaving is not a good way to prove any point other than I’m fired. It’s just funny to read that people are making excuses for a guy that wasn’t adult enough to do his job correctly then talk to the boss. I would hate to work with some of the people that posted on here. They must do the same get mad,pout, do a shitty job, and leave other people to correct their mistakes. This is another reason America is in a down fall” lazy people with an it isn’t my job attitude”.

  57. Why are people crying about gun safety? It’s a tv show of course some stuff is going to be cut out. They aren’t going to show people clearing a weapon. And I bet most of you guys don’t either b/c you know what you have loaded and not loaded. Unless I have a weapon ready to fire(loaded) I’m going to just hand it to someone to check it out I’m not going to safety check it b/c I already know if it’s loaded or not. If it is I’ll safety check it before handing it over. It’s kind of funny how people will scrutinize each and everything someone else does, but don’t want to hear critism on anything they do.

    • This is the dumbest comment you could have posted. Are you a F-ing idiot. You will make IGOTD one day not safety checking your weapons. I am glad I am not friends with or know you. Gun rule 1, every gun is loaded. Safety check each and every gun, why wouldn’t you? Does it take too much strength for the fat kid who loves cake? Does it take too much time to pull the bolt/slide/charging handle back? We will read about you one day, mark my words!

  58. These guys are a bunch of tools. I am a gun person and have watched more then a few episodes. I will never own a Red Jacket built firearm. First they are to expensive for what they are. Second when I seen the episode where his gunsmith said I need a head space guage and Will told him no you don’t just eyeball it, well that cut it for me. I’d never put one of their builds up against my face and pull the trigger.

  59. Yeah, started going south just like their missing guns, specially when the idiot started porking the slutty daughter….. WAY TO GO VINCE!!!!

  60. Do half of you people really pay attetion to the show. Yes Vince had an attitude problem as if I had my FFL licens on the line and a chance to get the biggest contract in my life I’d have attitude also, I would not put some idot in charge. But look who’s really running the show? “SURE NOT Will” Did anyone not see that Vince stayed the night working on that crap he was left with. you stay up 24 hours working on something and try to find parts that some one else had been working on and didn’t have a clue what half the parts were and where they went. CONGRATS VINCE G/B and great luck. you can work on my gun anytime. Hope this is just not some TV hype B/S a senior /junior gun show. AMERICAN GUNS is a good show to.

  61. Lets start with the number one problem. (Stephanie) Why is she suggesting who should be a lead on a project? She was telling Will to “roll the dice” on Kris for that AR piston project. F-THAT! I would tell her to go back to her desk and answer the damn phones. She didn’t have any right “suggesting” him for that type of working considering Kris didn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. She should stick to what she is good at, selling and answering phones. Problem 2: (Will) The only question I have is, why hasn’t Kris been let go or fired. He is the only person that doesn’t know what he is doing. For being an “apprentice” for two seasons or years, you figure by now he should at least know how to troubleshoot AR issues. I mean REALLY? A little spring (that was bent in half) and a hydro piece, how do you over look that? The other thing is for a guy that gave a ultimatum, he surely can’t keep his word for s***. Any manager in their right mind would never give a beginner a project with that type of magnitude. Kris should of NEVER became the lead. I personally think that Will is a egotistical fat piece of dog poop. He treats his employees like crap for the exception of Stephanie and Kris which he basically bends over backwards for. I don’t know if anyone realizes this but no one else in the shop calls Will by “Sir” except for Kris and Steph. Problem 3: (Kris) … Well … he is a dumbs***. There is no way of saying it differently. For being a “Project Lead”, he really didn’t “Lead”, he just gave up and told on Vince. Conclusion: I think Vince made the right choice by leaving. Granted, the way he left made him look like a baby. But, lets face it, there was probably a lot of other things that happened off camera that made him leave. And he just snapped and said F-IT, I’m out. A lot of people are saying that Vince wasn’t a team player. It is hard to be a team player when you crap from a guy that really doesn’t own the shop. As of RJF misplacing their firearms, well … if heads didn’t roll after that incident then they shouldn’t be in business in the first place. Will should got jail time for that. You would have to be stupid not to think that the ATF wouldn’t audit you considering everything is shown on TV. Reality TV starts off well and then it turns into it’s own version of Days of Our Lives. I mean look at Pawn Stars, I actually enjoyed watching that show and now it just crap. American Guns sucks as well, I don’t see any value in that show at all. I think its just filler space for the shows that are coming up.

  62. Does it bother anyone else, anyone that knows about guns, that this AR build that the folks at red jacket claim to be ground breaking has been around since the 90’s by companies such as H & K and Knight’s Armament to name a few. Im done with show Vince was the only real gunsmith in the shop the rest are just reality TV whores.

  63. Kris struggled putting together the AR but was able to screw around when Ted Nugent was in the shop. When he was really mad about the gun not working it was more or less caused by him test firing the gun in full auto which wasn’t working for him and he couldn’t figure out why (WRONG BUFFER). Vince comes to save the day and puts the gun together and test fires it in semi-auto and the damn thing works fine…failure on his part not to test both but Kris was the one building the damn thing and failed to put the right buffer into the gun. Then when Will notices the problem all Kris can do is act like what the heck was he thinking putting that part in there…like he honestly would have known the difference. I don’t blame Vince for leaving, the show was a lot of fun to watch with the whole crew but watching most of them bad mouth Vince makes me kind of mad.

    • It cracks me up to listen to everyone arguing if Vince is right or Chris or Wil or whoever. Its all fake! They make all this drama up to try and make the show not be so boring. No business owner would hand a job like that over to a rookie. Its all about the almighty dollar, at least for the Discovery channel and Wil. Now that Vince has left there will probably be a spin off….more money for Discovery and Vince too. I would enjoy the show more if it were a real reality show. A show about the real ins and outs of gunsmithing and the cool guns that result from that. That’s why I set my DVR to record it. I sure as hell didn’t set my DVR to record people trying to act that can’t.

  64. My self I watch RedJack every Wed when it’s on the air all I can say is Keep
    up the good work will you have a grate team there and I also like seeing you and your team Blow up stuff

    • How can you have a good team. when one of the team members doesn’t really know how to build a gun at all and is a all out idiot..and all he wants to do is chase a piece of ass and act like a true class clown. And not on building. Guns witch was his dam job..I personally would not buy a gun that chris built I would be afraid the dam thing would blowup in my face!!!!!!!!!

    • How can you have a good team. when one of the team members doesn’t really know how to build a gun at all and is a all out idiot..and all he wants to do is chase a piece of ass and act like a true class clown. And not on building. Guns witch was his dam job..I personally would not buy a gun that chris built I would be afraid the dam thing would blow up in my face!!!!!!!!!

    • Hay mister how can you have a good team when one of the team members doesn’t really know how to build a gun at all and is a all out idiot. And all he wants to do is chase a piece of ass and act like a true class clown.and not on doing his dam job I personally wouldn’t buy a gun from him I would be afraid the dam thing would blow up in my face

    • Hay rick clark how can you have a good team when one of the team members doesn’t really know how to build a gun at all and is a all out idiot. And all he wants to do is chase a piece of ass and act like a true class clown.and not on doing his dam job I personally wouldn’t buy a gun from him I would be afraid the dam thing would blow up in my face

  65. Rick Clark
    this is for steph and Chris you both make a very nice couple together Treat her Good Chris she’s a very good Lady!!!

    • Will has been a Bitch” from day one, he is in Vegas, calls the shop, nobody is their, calls joe, tells him leave school, go open the shop”. basically saying ME ME ME, screw ur career, nice guy will, and your shocked Vince left?? and STIFFANY, “we dont need guys like him their” if Vince wasnt their, you wouldnt have that “GOLDEN SPOON” hanging out your mouth. Then Will gives Kris the credit for “really comming thru on the AR”??? im pretty sure Kris failed and Vince built the gun. The only reason i still watch is i wanna see how Stiffany has her box shaved.

      • i so totaly agree w/ Mr.Rice. Vince ( is ) the man and getts s**t on, as for chris and stiffany. Stiffany, ooo my god what a major ( spoiled brat ), and chris gives a meaning to kissass. I do hope Vince dose come back w/ vengeance.

  66. For get vincent he was acting like a big fat baby I should of called the wambulace for him. Vincent is a p*ssy and acted like a d*ck on sons of guns as part owner to the shop because of his ffl that steph and will turned over to the atf and can not hold a ffl and have to pay someone with a ffl to run a shop vince was crazzy for leaving.

  67. I just watched the show about building a pig gun from an AR format. I did just that on my own last October/November. I had hunted Ferrel hogs in Texas and found a long barrel Savage Police Tactical was too big. And a scope you can’t see thru after sundown ! So I built an AR-15 and upper set for a Russian 7.62 x 39 round. After test firing it produced 30 inch groups at 50 yards!! Max. sub standard results. I slugged the barrel and chamber to fine the chamber was good but the barrel ID was .312. Checking a number of manufactures ammunition I found them using .308 dia. bullets. After investigation I found the Japanese or British 303 bullets to be .312 and .313 in diameter. I polished the barrel bore, hand loaded the British 303 projectile (124 gr./ .313) . Again test firing it to find a 1.35 inch group at 50 yards. To solve the night aiming I mounted a Green Laser. On the next trip to Texas I got off a shot from a moving Polaris vehicle (25mph) weak side shot at a group of hogs also running about 100 yards to the right of us. The first shot hit the hog mid section went thru and killed a second hog running along side. Two with one shot! The second night just after with a dusk a standing shot at 125 yards dropped a third hog with one shot. I was very pleased with my build and hunting.
    The reason I have written to you is the similarity, Your dad is Mr. Will Hayden, I am Mr. Will Heyder. He is a former Marine, I am a former Marine. He owns a gun business, I own a gun business. He has a grown daughter he thinks the world of and so do I. Her name is Sandy and she has a daughter named Stephanie.
    How many times does something like this come along??
    I watch your show often keep it up!
    Thank you,

    William Heyder,

    Iron Sight Range, Master Instructor

    BSIS – Firearms Instructor License- TIF#2129

    NRA & IDPA Range Safety Officer

    NRA – Insured Instructor,

    NRA Pistol, Shotgun & Rifle Instructor

    NRA “Certified Line Coach”

    NRA “Personnel Defense Inside the Home – Instructor”

    NRA “Personnel Defense Outside the Home – Instructor”

    USN “Small Arms Marksmanship Instructor” – Trainer -SAMI “0812”

    USMC “Primary Marksmanship Instructor” (PMI)

    San Diego Sheriff CCW Instructor, TIF 2129

    Calif. Dept. of Justice – Handgun Instructor & Proctor HSC

    Calif. Dept. of Justice – HSC Instructor / Trainer Entity!

  68. What would have really been cool is if “The Motorcity Madman” would have snatched that guitar out of bitchboys hands and beat him with it . That crap he calls music he did in front of Ted made my dog howl . That was some shit for the Gong Show…

  69. so Kevin your calling The Motor City Mad Man a punk ???;) no your right , that show I watch for laughs

  70. The comment about guns going south of the border very inapropriate. Those guns could have left with old employees any number of things could have happened , hell future buyers of mass sales may have walked off with a few after demos . Will Hayden is a patriot and would never sell illegally to other countries .

    • Obviously you didn’t get it. That comment was a dig on the BATF and only the BATF (and their puppet masters of course) not on Hayden, RJF, or anyone else.

      • Thank You and I agree. I think the show is GREAT and Will is a really good person. My wife and I are planning a trip to there for a purchase. hope them a long future in the business .

    • will aint nothing but a dick, he thinks hes some body he aint once white trash always white trash and steph aint nothing but a skank who needs to see a dentist

      • White trash ha? from the way you write and from the way You expressed yourself i would say white trash is something you aspire to be

  71. @ Terry Turner, he is referring to the ATF operation that sent guns to the mexican cartels, not RJF sending/selling to illegals.

  72. Mark said Vince is a crybaby and whiner, Get ur head out of ur @@s and think! We see 1 hrs. worth of footage of events that take place over days, weeks, and even months. Everyone knows that TV is only going to show the drama. I’m sure that Will can be a SOB to work for, and I for one don’t blame Vince for leaving.

    • Hay bennieben I hear ya the tv shows only want to show what they think is a good thing to show but in reality it want show the real truth about the real sobs behind the show! !!!!!!

      • That was quite evident in the last show of the season, when the director/producer(?) confronted Will in Vegas.

  73. I watched the show to see guns; not a stupid corny soap opera. They lost me a long time ago, this couldn’t have happened to more deserving people. I certainly didn’t want to see Vince flubbering over a dog, Chris making a fool of himself in front of Uncle Ted or Steph presenting a friggin armband to her lover Chris.

    • Ya know? When you say it like that, I have to agree. None of the things you mentioned had anything to do with firearms, or gunsmithing.

    • Hay josh you hit the nail on the head…if I wanted to watch a stupid soap operas I would watch the real soap opera with my wife!!!!!

  74. Red Jacket is the first to do everything that has already been done. My cousin and I were trying to figure out which gun in history was the first piston driven, turns out Red Jacket demonstrated it to the “General” while he sat in the back of a tinted out truck. What makes a Red Jacket gun better than one built by a major manufacturer? To answer my own question; nothing makes it better, I’m sure it’s junk compared to a piston driven weapon from any manufacturer big or small. As if little stoner Chris can build a better gun than say………….anyone else in the United States.

  75. BOY, HAVE THE FOLKS AT DISCOVERY CHANNEL PEED ON THERE OWN LEGS WITH THIS ONE. WILL PROFESSES HIMSELF TO BE THE ALL KNOWING AND ONLY, PERSON IN THE U.S. THAT CAN BUILD OR DESIGN ANY TYPE OF FIREARM OR CUSTOM ACCESSORIES. GEE I WONDER WHAT MORON WILL BE CRAZY ENOUGH TO PUT HIS OR HERS FFL ON THE LINE FOR RED JACKET. VINCE LOVE WHAT YOU DID ,JUST DONT LET THE MONEY MONGERS AT DISCOVERY CHANNEL TRY TO ENTICE YOU TO COMEBACK FOR MONEY, BROTHER YOU HAVE TOO MUCH INTEGRITY AND SKILL . AS FOR WILL,STEPHANIE AND KRIS, YOU SHOULD STAY IN NEVADA AND LET THE SUN FRY WHAT FEW REMAINING BRAIN CELLS KRIS MIGHT HAVE LEFT. P.S. IF YOU WANT TO WATCH A REALLY FUNNY SHOW TUNE INTO “MY REDNECK VACATION” HAVE FUN FOLKS AND IF YOU SHOOT KEEP-EM IN ON THE TARGET.

    • Just read today that Vince and a partner have started their own company called Mesa Kinetic Research. If this is true,I wish them success in their endeavors

  76. that chris is p*ssy. he follows steffy around like a whipped puppy. vince get over it, it was dog he was old.

  77. That is the truth Kennith if I was will I would. watch how I treated the man that holds the future of his company in his hands and maybe will needs to pull his head out of sstephnie’s ass a nd run the business like it needs to be run

  78. i like will , but i think will and steph pissed on their cornflakes on this one, vince built the AK not chris. i know how vince felt whan the rug was pulled out from under him. knowing full well the idea is to get “ratings” for the discovery channel, but when the t.v. money is gone red jacket will still be missing a part of its soul and have more mouths to feed

  79. Hey Will Heyder,
    You can have another thing in common with Red Jacket, your FFL license. I hear they are looking for someone.
    I don’t blame Vincent for leaving, why should he be happy when the biggest project is given to Chris who doesn’t know half as much as any of the other guys? That was stupid by Will.

  80. Will is an ass and he had it coming, just b\c you think you know everything doesn’t mean you can be a dick to the gut that is your head gunsmith with the FFL. And to give Chris a big job just b\c he is screwing Will’s daughter is BS i would have left to. the show sucks and the only thing they are good at is making a custom Saiga 12 and Ak’s not even american made. At least american gun’s can make a gun from scratch

  81. well i like will and i liked the show too. i really do feel bad about vince leaving but hey the guy has talent he can do well on his own.
    too bad about the FFL license i dont really know how they are going to keep their unique type of business up and running when its not really theirs anymore , hope they find a way closing up shop and leaving people with no jobs is ALWAYS bad for everyone

  82. So… is the BATFE going to revoke it’s own FFL, for the same offense multiplied a thousandfold? Doubtful.

    • Excellent observation. And it has the blood of its own agents on its hands because of that debacle.

  83. I agree, vince is the man, without him there is no show, kris is a puss, that follows stephanie, just to kiss her ass, will has nothing but ego, III…. there is more drama on the show then guns. reals guns that is. And OMG, did you guys see stephanie’s friend when they were both shootings, that chick need some shooting classes… The show has lost my attention. I am a mother , wife, and a gun enthusiatic.but this show is turning out to be crappy .

    • Maybe you should spend less time watching gun shows and more time brushing up on your grammar, spelling and sentence structure.

      • OMG Really Matt, maybe you should get a life rather than correcting some lady’s typos…

    • Hey guess what? It is called a REALITY SHOW…. I think there should be some drama after all it is a family business. As for Vince, he is a whinny ass. All I ever hear him doing is bitching and whining about everything and over dramatizing some of the things he is doing to guns. He also acts like a spoiled brat with all of his tantrums and walking out. He likes to play jokes on others, but throws a fit when someone pulls one on him.

  84. I would just like to know , how will feels about, how is daughter’s advice on a newbie, not even gunsmith boyfriend on customer’s project and especially the nuclear security contractor show. I mean really? its all fake and including will business practice. I know when to tell my daughter be quiet. Kris is a little suck ass.and should be ashamed to be around real working man. Maybe a fast food place is hiring.that would be a better job .

  85. Why are you guys such haters? If you think your so shit hot then why don’t you try and operate a gun shop in todays economy! They can’t be that shitty cuz if they were then why do they have such high caliber clients? Im so sick of keyboard warriors talkin shit hiding behind a cpu!

    • I call them like I see them and for the record I spend my time reloading and working on guns, not behind a keyboard Shawn, if that is your real name. I’m guessing you believe SOG is a real life show, sorry Shawn but most of the show is made up for ratings. Do you actually think a major company that specializes in security is going to let a kid who appears to be a pot head build them a weapon to stake their lives on………………the answer is hell no! They’d go to a major player, sorry to burst your bubble.

      • I didn’t know this website allowed posters to use the same name. That could cause some confusion…

    • I call them like I see them and for the record I spend my time reloading and working on guns, not behind a keyboard Shawn, if that is your real name. I’m guessing you believe SOG is a real life show, sorry Shawn but most of the show is made up for ratings. Do you actually think a major company that specializes in security is going to let a kid who appears to be a pot head build them a weapon to stake their lives on………………the answer is hell no! They’d go to a major player, sorry to burst your bubble. You’re right about it being difficult to run a gun shop, especially when you’re a self centered pric who claims to be first at everything.

    • CPU – (central processing unit) you can do much with just that, I think you mean PC (personal computer) GO KEYBOARD WARRIORS!! Thanks for playing PEBKAC

  86. Shawn is my real name, but I will admit that I believe it’s a real show. I read a lot of forums on all kinds of topics and I’m just fed up with some people who don’t know shit about anything argue facts like they’re experts and hiding behind their cpu’s. I would love to be a gunsmith but I became an auto mechanic and build guns from scratch and rather crudely also. So anyone who can build a gun gets my respect cuz I can only dream of doing it. Anyway I’m not looking to start shit just wanted to vent. I guess I’ll just have to watch the show and treat it like one of those soap opera’s.

  87. Well, I have built guns for a living. Had a gunsmithing shop in the mid 90’s. We built custom .45’s for USPSA shooters. Went under when my partner absconded with inventory and equipment. That’s another story.
    Josh is right, this show is no more real than the stupid repo shows, or Dog the bounty hunter. Vince is the only real gunsmith there. Kris is useless as any kind of gunsmith. I would have fired him long ago. It was interesting to see that Will and Stephanie lost their FFL due to incompetence. We never misplaced a single gun, let alone 10 of them.
    I’m wondering if Kris is the new FFL holder that the business is running under since Vince left the show, taking his FFL with him? That would certainly explain why Stephanie is going for that loser.
    Oh well, it’s good for a laugh.

    • Watched the premiere last night…Does Will ever watch this objectively? He and Kriss keep dissing Vince: then Will has Kriss “take the lead” on the PPSH–he didn’t even know what it was? I will not watch again, this is obviously a “made-for-tv” soap opera.

  88. I believe the only reason Will has any employees left is because they all want their moment of fame. Look at how Kris has become such a star struck a@@. And Will making Kris a project leader shows how little business sence Will has. I’ve seen good companies ruined because family is put infront of good business practice

  89. You guys are all idiots. Vince is the biggest baby I’ve ever seen, what show are YOU watching? He complains about EVERYTHING and is the worst team player I have EVER seen. Kris is a rookie who they are trying to coach-up, what’s wrong with that? He knows he’s not the man but he works hard to get better. You guys are all a bunch of moronic haters. Good show, like Kris, thank god Vince is gone.

    • Hey Nate, do you actually think everything you see on that show is real???? If you have not figured it out its all fake. It is all made up because they are attempting to make a boring show less boring. It is a ridiculous show because it is supposed to be a reality program when the only real thing about it is the horrible acting. Put that in your gun and smoke it.

  90. When I was a teen my grandpa said “you can’t start out as the boss, you have to earn it”. My grandpa was wrong, all I needed to do was marry Stephanie.

  91. Wait and see how long they stay in business after the show goes off the air!!! After reading reviews from ordinary customers, why would anyone do business with RJF!! I certainly won’t!! The show? It’s all dramatized for ratings!! Discovery Channel and the History Channel are no longer on my favorites list!!!!!

  92. I hope they give vince his own show and I also hope will realizes how he was acting towards vince and appoligizes to him. Then I hope kris realizes that will and stephanie are using him like the pawn that he is. I would watch that show

  93. I want vince to get his own show in his own shop. Then I want to see will apologize to vince and for kris to walk in on stephanie getting f*@#ed hard by that guy she gave the discount to that she knows from highschool or whatever, I bet all he would do is run and go tell will, lol. I would watch that episode

  94. Vince may be a very talented gunsmith, but his attitude, and work ethic left much to be desired. In my experience, the time to voice objections or concerns with something your boss tells you to do is when you are told to do it. Whining, complaining, and throwing hissy-fits when the Boss can’t see is childish and unproductive. Personally, I’d have fired his A@# when he used company time, materials, and business info to send his own personal firearm to another gunsmith.

  95. I like the show but the drama is getting to weird.
    Kris is a ham bone and lacks any real talent other than
    He thinks he is an actor, and not a good one at that.
    I think Vince left the show as he did not want to lose
    His License. Do you blame him? I think the wedding
    Was to keep control of the money in the family as
    Will and his girl both lost their license. What a cheesy
    Wedding shot when Kris shows up in his work clothes.
    How seriously in love is that!
    I keep watching just to see the train wreck.

  96. The show is excellent. I appreciate Will’s leadership style and knowledge.. Vince is obviously very capable and an asset in terms of his knowledge and I can understand his position when Kris gets more respect than he because Kris is a new addition to Will’s family, but going crazy and kicking things around is not the way to handle it. He’s very emotional and needs constant coddling, moreover, you don’t see any of the other guys crying because they want attention. If Vince complains every day because his (you know what) hurts, he’s of little good to the company or any company. No one is irreplaceable, anywhere.

  97. I hope they do what American Chopper did and have Shop vs Shop with Vincent in the other one. But instead of riding motorbikes past each other they can maybe do drive bys with live ammunition. I mean it is america, the home of the drive by.

  98. I will be very happy when I no longer see commercials or episodes of s.o.g. William Hayden is a friggin hick. I absolutely hate the sound of his voice. its enough to lower a persons IQ points by destroying their brain cells. that’s one guy that needs to shut the hell up, crawl back under his rock and never crawl back out again. as for his daughter, she seems like a dirty whore disguised as a sweetheart daddy’s girl. now that’s a wolf in sheep’s clothing. rest in misery sons of guns.

    • I completely agree with this statement, however I probably will still watch the show hoping to see something bad happen. The exploding targets are pretty damn stupid if you ask me because things aren’t really going to blow up from a few bullets in real life, its just a way for them to make people as stupid as will and steph think that rj guns are somehow stronger than other guns

  99. Will must think everyone who watches his show is a sheep. After saying “non-lethal” about half a dozen times in the first 15 minutes they then decide to mount a real live machine gun on that tank like vehicle built for the New Orleans cops. Whatever credibility Will retained up to this segment was blown all to hell.

  100. Hey everybody! I’ve got a suprize for you, it’s a television show, it’s no more real than the A-Team!

  101. This stuff is about as real as Cinderella…I doubt these people take a crap unless its in the script!

  102. The problem with Discovery’s version of reality Tv is that they inject drama where it isn’t required and doesn’t really fit. They do this in Gold Rush, Bering Sea Gold and Sons of Guns. As if the awesome guns being thought up and built/demonstrated aren’t enough excitement. They force pointless and poorly written, non-believable garbage they expect intelligent people to watch and believe. The saddest part is that there are people out there that think this drama is in anyway real. Hey Discovery, leave the bad dime-novel stories to the nickle writers, PLEASE!

  103. Perhaps the detractors here might advise the multitude as to what their personal qualifications are when it comes to the topic of “guns”? There are so many cry-baby wannabes out here it hurts; all keyboard talk, no facts. Will certainly will survive the “FFL” fiasco as have others; the feds have no desire to see their own filthy laundry tossed into the wind AGAIN. When the big-mouth keyboard-crusaders here and in our government prove anything they supposedly stand behind the waters of hell will definitely freeze. ALL mouth – no facts. I can see you losers voting for Obammy again as well! Thank gawd the state of Louisiana still exists! Obammy is about as popular there as the christ child is in temple! Steph on the other hand? ROCKS BIG TIME! Breathes through here ears oh yes she does! AND the gal can SHOOT! Now all you keyboard commandos shut up and go back to Days Of Our Lives soaps and leave the REAL GUNS to me and my staff!

  104. http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Red-Jacket-courtesy-fieldandstream.com_.jpg ……….. oh yea …….. let’s don’t forget how HOT the Steph can be in those tight jeans! Whoo-Hooh! Bonermaker Deluxe! Nail it husband -nail it hard! All that meat makes the ride soooooooooooooooooo sweet! RED JACKET! I watch the show …. while I do my blow ….. Steph makes me go ….. now don’t ya’ know! “Oh Vince! How ya’ enjoying living on McDoanalds burgers and the crumbs left on your doorstep? Thank goodness we won’t have to hear ANY MORE about your BRAT and OLD LADY and THE JESUS PERSON you blabbed about on every show! Gawd and guns do not mix! Stay gone Mister BATF&E RAT! You ratted out Will and Steph you cry-baby “tat’ mat”! All that “ink” clogged up your tiny brain! Good riddance!

    • Hey Tommy, I hope her father reads this and kicks your ass. Your comments are way out of line.

  105. SPAM? My comments SPAM? Oh please! TheTruthAboutGunz ………… is such a farce! Gimme a break! Red Jacket ROCKS and you know it too! Oh yes ……….. VINCE and his KID and old lady are GONE and that is a BIG PLUS for the show! Cry cry cry about “da family time” ya’ give up Vince …………. you tat-mat!

  106. Red Jacket doesn’t create firearms that have never been created before, the last build they made for “guarding nuclear reactors” has been made time and time again by other manufacturers such as Ruger, S&W, and Sig Sauer, it’s a load of crap, they are also seriously over charging for the firearms they “make”. All the firearms they make are based of Saiga which is the cheapest crap you can buy and the “parts” they use are not high quality and not much better than what Saiga’s come with stock.

    • I’ll take my Saiga and YOU take your ‘whatever’ and let’s go shoot for cash. I’ll blow ya outta the water every time – NO doubt about it at all! SAIGA is NOT “cheap”, nor is it “junk”. Twit.

  107. I love the show…i will admit that…vince is alright too…i dont know for sure if alk this FFL Stuff is true but I know that make some nice guns …however they are overpriced I believe….1700$ for that 1911 come on…I’ll just stick with my kimber or wilson combat our my colt government in my right hip and my glick in my back and my springfield xd on my left

    • KIMBER? Oh my! Bling-A-Bling-A-Doo-Doo ……… and nothin’ more. Can ya’ll spell ……… Gar-Ba-Ge? Kimber is no more a 1911 than a Ford is a Plymouth or Pontiac! GAR-BA-GE! Make me toss de’ ol’ cookies.

  108. I was just googleing for Red Jacket after a visit to my FFL today. After work I had to go to my Class 3 FFL / Gun smith to file paperwork for my new M11 and found him working on a customer’s 223 AK redoing some barrel work. At first I didn’t understand why he was so bitchy doing the work it turns out the customers AK was a Red Jacket build, the barrel work was so bad it was returned to Red Jacket 4 times then ended up to his place. He told me he worked on the barrel but it was beyond repair so he had to install a new barrel. I was shown the removed barrel and was surprised it looked like it came out of a gun build by an amateur without the proper tools (Dremel). After finding this article well I feel bad the guys that got their AR’s from Academy.
    You can see the notches were too small a grinder was used for fitting, the diameter of the barrel was too the barrel was welded and grinded down to fit.
    http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc240/kids_2_3/RedJacket223AKBarrel1.jpg

    http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc240/kids_2_3/RedJacket223AKBarrel2.jpg

  109. I’m not sure what Tommy’s problems are but he has some. A real southern man does not talk about a woman in that manner.

    Sons Of Guns is of course just as scripted as any other “reality” TV shows but it’s much better than most. Survivor? You gotta be kidding me?
    There are two kinds of gun dealers, those who have had problems with the ATF and those who will. Their job is to destroy the Second Amendment. That’s pretty much all they do and most of their tactics are in violation of the Fourth Amendment.
    Red Jacket AR is priced on a par with several others and about a pound lighter than Colt. As for quality, I’ll let you know in a few months. You have to fire a few thousand rounds through a gun to make that determination. $1,700 is not unreasonable for a custom 1911. In fact it’s cheaper than many. I don’t own a RJ 1911 and probably never but that price is not unreasonable.
    I’m sure there are better guns than Red Jacket. I’m sure a lot of it is a matter of opinion. I’m sure a lot of it is just people mouthing off. I KNOW that publically degrading a woman is way out of line. Even a yankee should know better than that

  110. lots of people can talk a lot of shit from behind a key board, the fact is that ladies and gentlemen of Red Jacket Firearms, have done things well enough that they made a show out of it, as for their firearms you get what you pay for, they do really good work and want good pay for it,

    Cheap guns are not good,
    Good guns are not cheap

  111. Hey Dan… F.Y.I ATF isnt as much of a stickler as you think they are when it comes to keeping track of gun’s …. operation fast and furious should have told you that …just sayin buddy….

  112. Wow those pics of that AK barrel are outrageous! I can’t defend them cuz I don’t know the circumstances but still thats terrible work! I was hoping they would have better quality control, but then again look at how someone shipped the AR to Vegas and it showed up busted and scuffed to hell! There are people working there that we don’t see on the show!

  113. i ordered a saiga conversion in march-2011, they told me 5-6 months. they took 1/2 down and came looking for the other half 4 months later. at 6 months i started calling and for the next 6 months i got the runaround and every excusse you can imagine. after a year on my last call i told them that i was a local in baton rouge and i was going to the east baton rouge sheriff’s office to file a theft claim. they put will on the phone and he told me to come in the following week and get my money back.

    i was lucky to get my money back from these guys, if you are getting the runaround try and get your money back before its to late

    dont order a gun from these guys, they are not in the gun business they are moviestars, maybe they can go into the tshirt business

  114. will do you have any ideas on where the 10 missing weapons are. some body in your shop helped them self to your weapons. I am terribly sorry for your atf troubles. trust is something that people abuse. how many times has atf checked your inventory and books. who ever took the guns probably called atf for an inspection.

  115. If you are looking for a saiga 12, look at LONE STAR ARMS. They have some of the finest Saiga 12’s around, I got one from them and it is far superior than anything Red Jacket could ever produce!!!! Besides if you bought one from Red Jacket, That Brain dead, drug addict, looser Chris Ford my have worked on it, and it would blow up in your face!! (the golden child) LOL.

  116. sounds like that boy tommy henderson need to lay off the moon shine, and get his eyes checked. thats right that stuff makes you go blind… what a flaming idiott…I bet he drives a toyota or a madza, and shoots a ak-47, real good for the American economy… needless to say that he is inbread, and has a first graders education!!!!
    PS. red jacket is a joke that is not funny. they lost there best mechanic and they will soon go out of bussiness tommy boy…

  117. Snot loving Red Jacket trash. Sounds to me like you’re the effing idiot Jonathan. The number 2 is spelled two, Jonathan. Spell check doesn’t fix stupid.

  118. That guy Thomas sounds like a member of the RJ team just trying to detract from the discussion at hand. I am a fan of the show, but there are many, many, many and many bad reviews and horror stories out there against these guys.

    Question, Vince left (and he had the license), so who took his place? What about Joe? He quit his teaching job to work at RJ. Him and Vince are both gunsmiths, so I wonder if Joe has a license also and he is now the holder at RJ.

    • Actually Joe isn’t a trained gunsmith. The only person with a degree in gunsmithing was Vince. Joe is a pyrotecnic, thats why he sets up all the explosions for the show.

  119. When the Discovery Channel shows ,those HACKS, COBBLING a firearm together,
    why don’t they show how ” ACCURATE” their guns are? Do they just slap together “bullet launchers”? In the episode where Vince had to take over the drug addict’s project, why didn’t the print some paper and show you the results. Most AR’S are very accurate! When those clowns were looking for the hydrolic buffer, why didn’t they just order one from BROWNELLS, they sell them everyday! What was the big deal? (Red Jacket probably stiffed them on a bill before, and they won’t sell to them any more). I wouldn’t let that kris fool take my garbage cans to the street, let alone try and build a AR-15. I am beginning to think that Will is a stone cold idiot, putting a inexperienced fool in charge of, a very important project for the government. Besides putting together a AR-15 is a cake walk! If you are looking for a extreamly accurate AR look at…. http://www.jprifles.com/ …. they are top of the line. its not “Red Jacket Junk” Those of you looking for a Saiga 12 look at…. http://lonestararms.com/gallery ….They are not “Red Jacket Junk”

    • I think jeff g is a jerk if u dont like it dont watch easy as that. Hope you are not just goin by what some gossip column writes about rjf.

      • Well, all I can say about the show Sons of Guns aka Red Jacket Firearms is watch the video Sons of Guns: Blanks Prank

        This video says it all about the owner Will Hayden and the unprofessional atmosphere of the gun shop. It’s a shame.

        A picture is worth a thousand words but a video is worth a million.

  120. Its tv ppl……can’t believe so many people take it so serious…get a life people….get a girl people…get a good job and a hobby and live your life…if you don’t like it don’t watch

  121. Some interesting comments in this thread. I can’t comment on the quality of the Red Jacket products having never purchased one myself or on the temporary loss of their FFL. And if I did that it would be second hand info. which is never 100% accurate from either side of the coin.

    But having been a business owner for almost 2 decades I can comment on the link Dan gave above to the BBB rating for Red Jacket. My opinion now, but one should never base a purchase decision on anything the BBB ever says or has written. A couple years ago they were exposed by “60 Minutes” as being just a legalized strong-arm organization. If you don’t join them and pay a yearly fee (all tiered levels of commitment, or rating?), then you get a poor rating, period. This excerpt is from Wikipedia:

    “Although it has “Bureau” in its title, the Better Business Bureau is not affiliated with federal, state, or local government, and has no direct affiliation with any consumer protection government authority. The BBB, as a privately held corporation, has no governmental authority over businesses”.

    Also if you’re in business for any length of time and do any kind of volume at all, then your going to get some people ticked off at you sometime for something. It’s inevitable. You can’t please 100% of the people 100% of the time, try as you might. And if anyone has a grip, no matter how small. As a business owner if you don’t cow down, totally kissing their @** and cave in on the issue no matter how much it costs you. And even when, not if the customer is totally way off base out in left field. They can stick a complaint on you with the BBB. Even if it’s totally unwarranted.

    Now I’m not defending RJF, but I am a fan of the show that likes to shoot. With a total of 9 total complaints in the last 3 years out of the 100’s or 1000’s (I don’t know their volume) of products that go out their door, come on, really. Just 3 people complaining (or whining we don’t know) per year ave., that’s real good in my book! Especially when you consider the growing pains they’ve gone through in the last 3 years.

    It’s going to take a lot more for me to not purchase something from RJF then a bad BBB report. Just my $.02

      • Hey Freddie, That was a excellent posting!!! It has a lot of valuable information…I hope everybody, that is looking for a custom build, reads the link…I think that list of complaints, can keep a lot of people from being ripped off by Red Jacket Firearms. I was thinking about getting a shotgun from them in the future, but that link defiantly changed my mind.. good thing who needs that kind of trouble?