http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqZfSnUjGrk
The video above is not complete. We don’t know what led up to this confrontation or what happened after it. The news report at jdnews.com doesn’t provide more important details—save the names of the couple involved (Bradley Turner, 40, and Christy Turner, 30), the fact that they had a toddler in the car and the charges brought against them . . .
Bradley Turner is charged with discharging a weapon into property, two counts of assault by pointing a gun, going armed to the terror of the people, injury to personal property and assault. His wife is charged with two counts of assault by pointing a gun.
From what we see here, even without full context, we can conclude that Mr. Turner shouldn’t have had access to a firearm. To wit:
Whatever the cause, Mr. Bradley initiates violence—and gets a beat-down by multiple aggressors. His wife brandishes a gun to stop the beat-down, and then hands the gun to her husband, who threatens his attackers.
I’m not a lawyer, but I know the general principles involved. If you initiate violence, you lose the right to claim self-defense. If you escalate the violence (e.g., brandish a gun) to save your life, good for you. But you can’t claim self-defense. You’re legally responsible for any death or injury or property damage resulting from the fight.
Here’s where it gets a bit gnarly . . .
If an attack ends, even for a moment, it’s reset. Whoever initiates the violence at that point becomes the aggressor. Whomever is being attacked can claim self-defense. So if the boys had started kicking the shit out of Mr. Turner a second time, after an interval, Mr. Turner could have used the gun in self-defense.
I digress. That’s not what happened. Mr. Turner renewed his aggression. Fortunately for all involved, the incident ended without loss of life. Leaving us with an irresponsible gun owner of the day and a simple lesson for all gun owners: don’t start a fight. Ever.
Now for something on the lighter side. I found this article hilariously funny! For a minute I thought it was true. Anything is possible when progressives speak. Colorado Lawmaker suggest woman use explosive diarrhea to prevent rape
I dont see where he fired his gun. I think the bang was from the door closing.
I’m no lawyer either, but I’d wager that the second guy from the truck might have an influence on things as well.
In the video, Bradley is all hot and bothered about being run off the road..with the way the guys jumped him, they were ready and looking for a fight and would have kept beating on Bradley if the wife wouldn’t have got the gun. The second guy was too quick out of the vehicle for me to think it was anything other than planned by the youngsters. And Bradley, playing the fool, walked right into it.
I don’t think the wife did anything wrong, she got the guys to back off. Bradley, however, deserves to have the book thrown at him.
I think if someone were to do some internet sleuthing, there might be more videos of kids provoking fights and beating up on someone.
The guy with the video phone was too steady and ready.
If Bradley has any sort of lawyer, he’s going to go after these kids and try to prove it was a set up.
And this is why it’s difficult to amend the Constitution.
it looks like both parties ar in the wrong here, honestly.
The video is far too short to draw any conclusion other than he pulled a gun AFTER the beatdown. The assault had already stopped-which is not good for the guy drawing the firearm.
I hope that POS spends some good solid time in jail for that.
Don’t all of the law abiding gun owners deserve to NOT have a vote?
Truth be told I haven’t jumped out of my car because of road rage SINCE I’ve had ccw. And there have been plenty of excuses to. No sense starting a fight armed, good chance that gun will be needed by the end. Better be peaceable and not take a life. Even if its some asshole kids looking for a fight.
If you used to jump out of the car during road-rage incidents you never should have been granted a CCW. You’re a dangerous man and it’s only a matter of time before you blow.
The only person that acted responsibly was the wife who brandished the firearm. This is the sole reason the attack on her husband ended and things de-escalated.
Planning to leave southern Illinois as soon as I’m eligible for early/deferred retirement in 7 years (maybe less, if a buyout is offered). If Chicago wasn’t attached and wrecking the place, I might stay longer, but as it is, I’m bound for either of the Dakotas. Plenty of jobs, low taxes, and gun friendly laws. I can deal with the cold.
Actually, I’m pretty impressed with the choreography of the two kids beating that guy down so quickly. If he did initiate the violence, and it appears he did, then good for them.
It looks like Bradley followed the people into the driveway. At that point, he’s the aggressor. Bradley had the opportunity to keep driving and avoid all confrontation. Watch the video closely and you’ll see his finger on the trigger. Very scary situation.
What’s that they say about speed, surprise and violence of action? Dumb luck seems to help too. Seemed to work for those younguns. I don’t know how the deal went down but there seems to be a lot of grand mal fail right there. I’m glad that nobody got perforated.
Please, stop using misquotations.
http://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/laws-forbid-carrying-armsquotation
http://engl3621in12.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/thumbs_use_the_force_harry_gandalf.jpg
We really cannot say much about what happened based on that 30 seconds of video.
At any rate this actually highlights an unintended problem with concealed carry. Let us suppose for discussion that the young guys were truly guilty of vehicular assault or reckless endangerment and the victim had no video of their assault. If the victim calls the police, nothing will come of it because it will be his word against the young guys.
So we (the good guys) do nothing and embolden the young punks to continue to assault people? That is bad news because it means the young punks will continue to assault people until someone is seriously injured or dies and then it is too late.
It is the same dynamic as the crisis of rogue elephants in Africa. (I am not kidding … look it up.) Adolescent elephants quite literally become violent maniacs attacking and killing all manner of other animals and people — strictly for entertainment — if mature male elephants are not present to teach them to behave themselves. Well we all know we cannot rely on law enforcement to teach our youths. Sometimes responsible, mature adults have to give out the lessons. And that becomes next to impossible if you have a concealed handgun carry license because you would be the “aggressor” if you had to use it after starting the lesson.
An occasional and minimal amount of physical force (e.g. a poke or two, certainly not “haymaker” punches) can be a good thing for young punks. It’s too bad our current society tries to suppress all physical contact no matter what.
the answer, start video taping everything. google Russian Dash Cams… there’s so much fraud and corruption on the roads in mother russia that everyone has a dash cam now
Left the Floridiots 10 years ago for Tennessee and happy to be in Barrett’s neighborhood now.
I don’t follow the logic: how does donating a pittance to charity and wearing a rubber band make one “responsible and ethical”?
(P.S. I have no idea why my replies are being inserted at the end of the comment stream, instead of in reply to the comment I intended. This is a recent behavior – it used to work fine for me.)
Hey Jeff: if you’re a reader, you’re a MEMBER.
Living in New Castle County myself I know first hand what a mixed bag it is in terms of feelings on gun rights. I received correspondence from the Lt. governor as well as various state senators and representatives, all of them echoed the same belief that gun rights are important to Delawareans but apparently not important enough to propose any useful legislation. The funny thing is I moved from Connecticut where gun laws are only getting worse to Delaware where it is following suit.
I left Illinois 7 years ago for South Carolina. I came here to go to school but I stayed here mainly because it’s nice to live with people who tend to understand and appreciate freedom.
Please, fillibuster that bill until Harry Reid drops dead from old age or a heart attack. And once he does, not a fuck was given.
Anyone else reminded of MrColionNoir’s “I wish a muthaf#<ker would" guy? He kind of exuded that vibe from the git
Too bad Marion Barry isn’t a mayor anymore, he’d be a perfect fit.
While his purchase was very hypocritical in nature. It could very well be he was covering his purchase to those who convinced him that the very same gun should be banned.
A theory: His wife was nearly killed. I’m sure he was in a very mentally unstable place, and IF he wasn’t anti-gun previously, those that were filled his head with fear and lies about gun ownership, specifically “assault weapons.” He may have come to his senses some, and feeling that he was the husband of one of the ruling class, he was entitled to it. When it was published that he was buying it, to appease his new friends, he lied about the reason he was buying it.
Cover-up on why, or purchasing for his stated reasons, doesn’t really matter. I don’t think I could in good faith and conscience sell him a gun either after those statements. They should carefully consider who they want to donate the AR and other funds to as well, as not all those organizations are exactly civilian gun ownership friendly in their leadership.
Guys who joke about small dicks must really love big dicks?
What, in Latin, is called “caput displodit.”
I’ve an idea for his next movie… Bruce All Gun Grabby.. about a washed up hypocritical comedian sleeping in his car because no one will pay to watch his sorry ass attempts at pathetic humor after he insults his adopted country and the rights of those who fought and died to make her free.
“Note: this is also a cautionary tale. It seems clear that another spree killing could push support for CD right back up, maybe even higher.”
Exactly. The ball in firmly in our court to now show that we are in fact committed to trying to reduce violence, and actually doing things that work (or have a chance of working). We will likely face another violence-filled day, and if we are not proactive now we may not survive another barrage of “how many more?” type questions.
As other people have said, that this just shows that he did not read or fully understand what he signed into law, so this is a derelict of duty. So why would his sheeple want to re-elect him or even consider him for president ??? What an idiot !!!
Reminds me of the “weapons recognition” poster we had up in the credit union I used to work for. It had only three guns, revolver, auto pistol, and shotgun. And I startled me how many coworkers found this to be new and useful information.
Yeah, more bubble gum for the brain movies
Records indicate there were 19,500,000 background checks for gun purchases in 2012. If we can assume that all of those checks were because someone actually wanted to purchase a gun and therefore resulted in at least 1 gun purchase, then we can assume that there were at least 19.5 million guns purchased. If that figure is only 60% of the total number of purchases, then 7.8 million guns would have had to have been purchased without background checks for that particular 40% statistic to be accurate. Over 21,000 a day. Every day.
I didn’t sell any of my guns last year. To anybody. You sell any of your guns? Don’t answer because what you do with your personal property is none of my business. And it isn’t the business of some government POS either.
I saw this movie recently, it was C- at best, but the White House shoot out was fun in a Call of Duty way.
The best part was the old lady next to me, she kept flinching and covering her ears whenever someone was shot or someone died.
Also what was the deal with the Head Stabbings in this movie?
When political correctness and the raaacism bogeyman wins:
Two black GA teens shoot baby in the face,killing him. Baby was white. Where’s Al Sharpton now? This nation is full of evil, I declare.
http://wr2a.wordpress.com/2013/03/27/georgia-teens-shoot-baby-wheres-al-sharpton/
I hope you can say something rational about this, TTAG. Because I damn sure can’t.
The Wall Street Journal is reporting that they found a “gun locker” that did not show signs of forced entry. I wonder if Ms. Lanza failed to lock it or (worse yet) let her son have the combination.
Er…Col. Custer…..Floyd and I have a plan….see, we’ll sneak tru the indian lines and high-tail it over to Major Reno to get help…..waddya say, sir….
Futuristic but the death of ergonomics!