Gun Review: Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Micro-Compact Pistol

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Dan Z for TTAG

When SIG SAUER sprung the little P365 on the world a couple of years ago it shook the carry gun market. No one could figure out how they stuffed ten plus one rounds into that little form factor. Then, once buyers took a look at it, they wondered why no one had done it sooner.

Other makers of concealed carry handguns have been playing catch-up ever since. With the recent rollout of the Springfield Armory Hellcat pistols, SIG now officially has some very worthy competition.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Springfield touts the Hellcat as being the highest capacity micro-compact pistol on the market. (Dan Z)

This is going to be a standard review of the Hellcat in its own right. We’ll do a separate side-by-side comparison post of the Hellcat and the P365 since 1) that’s the competitor Springfield clearly had in its sights when designing the new gun, and 2) you, dear reader, no doubt want to know how the Hellcat stacks up against the big boy on the block.

Oh, OK. Here’s one photo of the two of them together . . .

SIG P365 vs Springfield Hellcat

The SIG P365 and the Springfield Hellcat OSP (Jeremy S for TTAG)

But that’s all until the head-to-head comparison post later this week.

Read our post comparing the Hellcat and the P365 here.

For now, suffice it to say that the new Springfield Armory Hellcat does everything the SIG P365 does (and gives you one more round while doing it).

The Basics

The striker-fired Hellcat has been introduced with two models; a standard configuration and one Springfield calls the OSP for Optical Sight Pistol. The only difference is the OSP has a slide cut for a micro red dot. We got the OSP model with an excellent Shield RMSc sight pre-mounted (see Jeremy’s review of the Shield RMS here).

I’m not someone who likes to tote a concealed carry gun with a red dot, but if you are — or even you think you might be — you should opt for the OSP model.

It’s only $30 MSRP more than the standard model and a lot less expensive than getting your slide milled later. If you have the OSP and you want to add a reflex site to your Hellcat down the road, it’s ready for the RMSc or similar mini reflex sight.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol red dot

Dan Z for TTAG

The RMSc red dot co-witnesses nicely with the Hellcat’s standard U-Dot night sights (more on those later).

The new Hellcat 9mm handgun comes with two magazines; an 11-round flush-fit magazine and an extended mag that packs a lucky 13 rounds.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

With the 11-round flush magazine, the Hellcat is a two-finger pistol. (Dan Z for TTAG)

If you want ultimate concealability, the flush mag is the way to go, though that makes the Hellcat a two-finger gun. Springfield includes a pinky extension that you can add to the 11-round magazine to catch that dangling digit if you wish.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Hellcat with the 13 round extended magazine gives a full three-finger grip (Dan Z for TTAG).

The extended magazine not only gives you two more rounds, but a full-fisted grip as well. It also, however, adds a half inch in length so won’t conceal quite as easily.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

The Hellcat’s rear sight is a U-notch that frames the front night sight. (Dan Z for TTAG)

Whether you buy the standard or OSP model, the Hellcat sports an excellent set of sights, what Springfield calls their U-Dot sights. The rear is a drift-adjustable metal U-notch outlined in white.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

The Hellcat features a luminescent front sight. (Dan Z for TTAG)

On the business end, Springfield mounted an Ameriglo Pro-Glo high visibility tritium night sight. It features a tritium vial surrounded by a day-glo rim that’s easily visible in almost any light. It also co-witnesses perfectly with the RMSc optic.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Springfield treated the Hellcat with a Melonite finish.

Just about my only real complaint with the Hellcat’s design is the slide serrations. Springfield puts them fore and aft and even extended the serrations over the top of the slide at the rear “for positive engagement in adverse conditions,” as they say in the marketing materials.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

The Hellcat micro-compact 9mm has front and rear slide serrations and a standard accessory rail. (Dan Z for TTAG)

The problem is the serrations just aren’t aggressive enough. They’re relatively shallow, both front and back, and if your hands are wet or sweaty, there’s a good chance your grip could slip when racking the slide.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Dan Z for TTAG

If you run your Hellcat OSP with an optic mounted, that will serve as a good handhold. The rear metal sight isn’t ramped so you can use it to rack the slide on a hard surface (a tactical rack) if you have to accomplish it one-handed for any reason.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Look…no grip safety. (Dan Z for TTAG)

Have you noticed what isn’t on the Hellcat? That’s right, this is the first striker-fired Springfield pistol with no grip safety. There’s no frame safety either. The Hellcat comes equipped with a familiar safety blade on its forward angled flat trigger.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Dan Z for TTAG

Springfield even managed to squeeze a short length of rail on the Hellcat’s diminutive dust cover. The good news: it’s a standard rail (not a proprietary one, thank goodness) that lets you attach a light or laser to the Hellcat if you want.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Springfield molded a slight finger groove in the Hellcat’s black polymer grip, but it’s slight enough that it won’t bother those who dislike them. Note the slight beavertail as well. (Dan Z for TTAG)

Springfield went into great detail describing the grip texturing they selected for the Hellcat. They called it an “adaptive grip texture” that’s supposedly made up of two levels of tiny pyramidal shapes. They claim the taller ones have been flattened for more comfort and less wear when you carry the gun. The shorter ones come into play when you grip the pistol.

I’ll have to take their word for it because I’ll be damned if I can see anything like that with the naked eye. The good news, though, is that the grip texture is nearly ideal. While it may look like skateboard tape, it’s not nearly as abrasive, and still provides a solid, positive grip, even with sweaty hands.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

The Springfield Hellfire has an undercut trigger guard. (Dan Z for TTAG)

The grip is textured all around including the upper thumb position above the magazine release. There’s also a small section of texturing on the forward part of the frame. This is a handy place to index your finger while holding the gun. It’s also just right for positioning your weak side thumb using a thumbs-forward grip when shooting.

Carrying the Hellcat

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

This Crossbreed holster lets you carry the Hellcat OSP with or without an optic mounted. (Dan Z for TTAG)

As someone who regularly carries a single-stack GLOCK 43, the transition to packing a Hellcat was a smooth one.

Springfield Hellcat and GLOCK 43

Springfield Hellcat (L) vs GLOCK 43 (R) Dan Z for TTAG

For instance, here’s the Hellcat snuggled up against my G43. The slides are the same width. The Hellcat’s grip is 1/8th inch wider. That’s because it’s packing an 11-round magazine as opposed to the GLOCK’s 6-round single stack mag.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Dan Z for TTAG

Yet the Hellcat is a comfortable 22 ounces when fully loaded with the 11-round magazine and one in the chamber. That’s a very reasonable weight that most concealed carriers can handle. And 12 rounds of 9mm Luger is a capacity standard they won’t want to do without.

Hellcat At the Range

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Five rounds at fifteen feet. (Dan Z for TTAG)

The Hellcat’s accuracy is impressive for a little 3-inch barreled micro-compact. I shot it both with and without the red dot and fed it a steady diet of FMJ range ammo and a lot of personal defense rounds. This is, after all, a concealed carry gun that should be carried with JHP ammunition.

Bullet weights tested ranged from 115 to 147 grains including JHPs such as Federal HST, Remington Golden Saber, Hornady Critical Defense and Winchester PDX1 Defender. Nothing gave the Hellcat problems. Everything fed and fed reliably.

As you can see from the image above, it’s extremely accurate at personal defense distances. I also shot the Hellcat braced using the red dot at 25 yards. I’m no Jerry Miculek, but I managed a 4.25″ group. Shooting with a pistol as small as the Hellcat, that’ll do.

As for recoil, it’s…not bad. With the flush magazine, it’s slightly snappier than my G43. But the difference is negligible and with the extended magazine (and three fingers on the grip) it’s no big deal at all. Follow-up shots were easy and accurate.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

Dan Z for TTAG

While I’m no trigger snob, the Hellcat’s trigger is clearly one of the best bangswitches I’ve shot on a striker fired carry pistol. It may not be at the top with the likes of Walther, but it’s definitely up there. There’s a clean take-up with an ever-so-slight bump right before it’s fully staged. Then it breaks very cleanly at 5.7 pounds.

The very perceptible (both tactile and audible) reset kicks in about half through the release. That means follow-up shots can be made quickly and accurately.

Springfield Hellcat micro-compact 9mm pistol

The Hellcat features a hammer forged barrel, full length guide rod and dual captive recoil springs. (Dan Z for TTAG)

In the end, the Hellcat is an extremely attractive concealed carry package. Springfield took a couple of years to come up with an answer to the SIG P365 and you can see the work that went into the final product. The Hellcat is a very worthy competitor to the SIG and one that many buyers will think is the more compelling choice.

Armscor ammunition

 

Specifications: Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm Pistol

Height: 4″ (flush magazine), 4.5″ (extended magazine)
Barrel Length: 3″
Overall Length: 6″
Width: 1″
Capacity: 11+1 (flush magazine), 13+1 (extended magazine)
Sights: Drift-adjustable rear U-notch, Ameriglo Pro-Glo front night sight
MSRP: $569 (Std), $599 OSP (OSP) model – $499 and $529 retail

Ratings (out of five stars):

Style: * * * *
Springfield’s polymer guns have never been known for their style. Then again, very few plastic fantastics are particularly eye-catching. But as polymer frame guns go, the Hellcat is better looking than most and it’s the best-looking Croatian gun Springfield has produced. That may be damning with faint praise, but there you go.

Ergonomics: * * * * 
It’s obvious that a lot of thought went into the Hellcat’s design. It’s both comfortable in the hand and easy to shoot. The beavertail should prevent slide bite for large-handed shooters and it has a reversible mag release. The magazine release is easy to access without adjusting your grip. The only downgrade here is for the serrations in the Melonite slide which just aren’t grippy enough.

Concealability: * * * * *
This is a very easy gun to carry. As someone who totes a slim, single stack G43 daily, the Springfield Hellcat gives me five more rounds in virtually the same size and form factor. That’s a big capacity upgrade and one that won’t be lost on most gun buyers.

Reliability: * * * * *
As always, with a new design, time will tell for sure. But we fed the Hellcat a full range of ammo; everything from cheap range stuff to a variey of personal defense loads in different bullet weights. It shot everything without complaint.

Customize This: * * * *
As a brand new pistol platform, there aren’t a huge number of customization options out there yet. That said, there are already holsters available from Crossbreed, Alien Gear, Galco, DeSantis and more. The Hellcat has a small standard rail (thank you, Springfield, for not making it proprietary) to add a light or laser, if that’s your thing. And if you’re someone who likes a red dot on your carry gun, buy the OSP model. What else is there, really?

Overall: * * * * 1/2
Going back to the beginning, Springfield Armory — like so many gun makers — is playing catch-up to the P365. And with the Hellcat, they’ve come up with an admirable answer to the standard that SIG has established. This is an extremely attractive, competitively priced micro-compact that gives the gun buyer more carry capacity and does it in a package that’s easy (and even fun) to shoot. The Hellcat will give the SIG a serious run for its money.

 

 

comments

  1. avatar 2aguy says:

    Springfield armory here in Illinois helped the democrats pass new licensing laws on gun stores in this state. At the last minute, they tried to pull back but the damage has been done…..there are now new regulations that are driving small gun stores out of business….and the democrats are coming back for more, with plans to mandate such high tech and expensive security for gun stores that most gun stores will have to close……and Springfield Armory was part of this process……..

    1. avatar pwrserge says:

      Worse, the new “licensing board” is requiring gun stores to do things that police are legally prevented from doing. One of their new “requirements” is a 24hr/per day video monitoring of all parking areas complete with license plate readers and retention of records for MONTHS. Interestingly enough, this requirement only applies to dedicated gun stores.

      1. avatar LKB says:

        Never forget.
        Never forgive.
        eff SA

    2. avatar Merle 0 says:

      I heard their next hand gun release will also be an import like the XD series, but it’s a British designed smart gun named the BA, for Benedict Arnold.

  2. avatar Hody Snitch says:

    Who cares. They’re a crap company. No Illinois gun stores should stock their products.

    1. avatar A says:

      No illinois Gun store? no. NO gun store.
      Period.

      1. avatar Hody Snitch says:

        Amen brother. Over 1000 FFLs gave up in Illinois because of the law the springfiled assisted in passing. That company and rock river are crap.

  3. avatar A says:

    Why did u do another review of the P365?

  4. avatar former water walker says:

    Too bad HS Produk doesn’t sell these directly! Never Springfield!

  5. avatar Omer says:

    As said above: It’s Springfield. No. Next.

  6. avatar pwrserge says:

    They should just call it the Springfield Judas, now with 30 pieces of silver. Given how much damage their pet lobbyist did to Illinois gun owners, they should be driven out of business permanently.

  7. avatar Specialist38 says:

    Sadness. Looks interesting and I like the sights.

    Too bad its SA. The Croats need to find a new shill in the US.

  8. avatar James Ivy says:

    Springfield Armory can eat shit and die as well as that other traitorous company, TTAG knows well enough to add something to the article about it but alas no quips or anecdotes on the subject. That’s what we are here for apparently. Seriously though we the readers don’t forget I expect the same of TTAG staff

    1. Do a Google search. It was TTAG that broke that story. You know about it thanks to us.

      This is a review of one of Springfield’s guns. We aren’t going to add references to every company’s past issues in every post about their products.

      Should we mention Bill Ruger’s love of 10-round magazines the next time Ruger rolls out a new revolver? Does Smith & Wesson playing footsy with Bill Clinton on gun control need to be included in every M&P review?

      If you want to remind people about these and other past indiscretions, go ahead. That’s what the comments are for. But we won’t be chewing up valuable electrons to do it.

      1. avatar Mmmtacos says:

        Side note: Bill Ruger’s infamous 10 round magazine pitch was a sacrificial lamb to congress. He was afraid they would take semi-autos wholesale if he, as an authority figure in the gun industry, didn’t acquiesce to that much at least. The Mini was not a shabby seller and came with factory 30 round magazines, and he had barely just started selling semi-auto handguns to the market, touting their capacity and coming out with new models and revisions at breakneck speed. Let’s not forget the 10/22 and the Mark series of 22LR guns, both semi-autos.

        Nobody accounts for those things, and yes, this could all be speculation, but I did find a source some years back that made a much more compelling case for it than I did, someone who was familiar with Bill Ruger’s past a bit more and watched all his testimonies about this.

        But hey, the people of the gun like to forget and not forgive sometimes.

      2. avatar coffeemonster says:

        I was waiting for this^
        Gargling with spite is generally unnecessary, somebody will do it for you.

      3. avatar Anymouse says:

        Ruger’s proposal was for 15 rounds. The Ruger P85 held 15, but the evil Glock 17 held 2 more. Gor some reason, the Glocks were outselling the Rugers. The Dems passed it as 10 rounds.

      4. avatar mlk18 says:

        If you are going to bring up S&W, you should point out that their former anti-2A stuff was because of their UK parent company, which is no longer part of S&W. And that was all well in the past. Unlike Springfield Armory who is still the same Springfield Armory who sold out Illinois gun owners not that long ago.

      5. avatar James Ivy says:

        I highly doubt Dan I’m the only one who feels the lack of any info no matter how small feels like a rug sweep and that yes you did break the story but so what, I had that feeling like the sites staff 2A commitment was unwaivering but with reviewing and putting SA out there without a caviat is you promoting it simple as that.

      6. avatar Frank says:

        just link back to your own stuff then, that few 1s and 0s aint take up much “space”

  9. avatar Merle 0 says:

    Trash!

  10. avatar strych9 says:

    Never really been a fan. Just came for the comparison and the salt. Mhhhmmmm… salt.

    1. avatar Merle 0 says:

      Not just regular salt, but that dirty road salt on the pavement, after the ice is melted and a couple dogs and a bum has taken a piss on it.

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        Road ‘salt’. Nasty potassium chloride corrosive crap.

        One of the few good things about living in Florida is no road anti-ice…

  11. avatar grumpster says:

    Thanks for the review Dan. The new Hellcat looks very promising to me. I like that the grip appears to be a bit wider than the P365 as I found the P365 overall too small for my hands/fingers and for me a little wider grip makes no difference in IWB CCW. Can’t wait to try out the Hellcat.

  12. avatar Dude says:

    “skateboard tape”

    I always find it funny that gun guys call it skateboard tape. As a skateboarder, we always called it grip tape. It’d be really funny if we called it handgun tape.

    1. avatar Old Guy in Montana says:

      Thanks for the laugh!

      The upside is that you can buy a sheet of “skateboard tape” for around $1.25 – $1.50…that’s a lot of grip adjustments for many, many years (remember to use an old pair of scissors for trimming to fit…do NOT use your spouse’s best sewing scissors).

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        I just bought a one-foot length of the 3M stuff for my new toy, and it was 78 cents at the local Ace hardware…

    2. avatar DrewN says:

      We always called it deck tape, but I never heard it called skateboard tape either.

  13. avatar Dude says:

    I’m surprised to learn that it’s snappier than the G43 since the Hellcat is heavier and thicker. I shot a G43 and I thought it was a bit snappy, but slightly better than the Ruger LC9.

    I wonder if they plan on a manual safety version? I think most people that go for the XD / XDM line like that grip safety.

    1. avatar Ing says:

      I really love the Springfield grip safeties. Seems to me they’re the best of both worlds: insurance against an accidental trigger pull plus never having to worry about whether you left the safety on or off. The lack of one is the only thing that would make me hesitate to buy this gun.

      1. avatar SoCalJack says:

        I do too. I have an old XD9 and I like the loaded chamber indicator also. For some reason folks don’t like either, I ask why, and they never have a good reason.

        1. avatar ‘liljoe says:

          The grip safety is too shallow, grip the gun wrong, or wearing gloves in cold weather and no click or bang for you.

          The need to make it with a memory bump like some 1911s

  14. avatar Garrison Hall says:

    The SCCY w/ its 10 rounds of 9mm is the real competitor for the Sig 365. You can almost buy 3 SCCYs or the price of one Sig 365.

    1. avatar MouseGun says:

      I only have second hand imformation, but it seems to be that SCCY pistols have issues of QC.

      1. avatar lean4wardhereitcomesagain says:

        I owned a SCCY CPX gen 2 a few years ago that had qc issues. Slide locking back after almost every shot despite having rounds left in the mag.

        I also owned 3 Sigs, 2 P320’s and a P365, in the past couple years that had qc issues. One of the P320’s was certified pre-owned (shrugs shoulders).

        Haven’t owned another SCCY since then but I’m pulling for the company to do well. Their pistols are almost as affordable as Hi Points (yeah yeah I know, but at least they’re reliable) and from what I’ve read their cs is also great. As far as Sig, the classic P series and even the P250 made me a huge fan. But after reading about their recent issues and experiencing some of those issues myself, it looks like it will be a long time before I think about owning another “modern” Sig.

    2. avatar Specialist38 says:

      I think the Sccy is taller if not longer.

      1. avatar Specialist38 says:

        But right now is like 125 after a rebate from Sccy.

  15. avatar Silentbrick says:

    I see the crybabies are out in force today. In addition to being utterly predictable, they grow more shrill, much like the Warming cultists when their predictions are all wrong.

    TTAG can and should review each new gun that comes out, even Glocks seriously defective and unsafe products that continue to maim people due to the lack of a real safety.

    I carry a Springfield XDM daily, it works, it’s reliable, it has a safety that’s not on the flaming trigger and it’s accurate.

    I guess if they are going to continue to whine, I’ll have to start posting just how many glock leg incidents have occurred anytime someone mentions a glock. You guys are seriously whiny crybabies. Go PROTEST Springfield, not here. The fact you continue to whine here shows that you are nothing but babies throwing your toys out of the stroller. All your frantic bleatings here do is annoy people, if you want to change Springfield or Illinois law, you need to do something in the real freaking world, not whine in the comments here on the internet. If you hold a protest at Springfield HQ, I’m sure TTAG will cover it. Put some skin in the game.

    1. avatar StuckInIllinois says:

      Huh. Crybabies. Guess you don’t live here in the once just okay state of Illinois. The giant importer know as Springfield Armory screwed us yesterday, today and tomorrow. F*** them. I have $$ to spend, going elsewhere. There’s my skin in the game.

    2. avatar Edward Franklin says:

      You’re about the only person who’s acting like a spoiled baby, Springfield attempted to support laws intended to restrict firearms in their home state while hoping for a carve out for themselves. People are stating they won’t buy their new product because of their previous actions and then you come trundling in to spout a bunch of hot garbage and act like you have some sort of high position to fire crap from.

    3. avatar pwrserge says:

      If knowledge of Springfield’s asshattery will prevent even one person from buying their shit, it’s worth it.

      Oh, and if you develop a case of Glock nuts because your dumb ass doesn’t know to keep your bugger hook off of the bang switch, that’s a feature, not a bug.

      1. avatar strych9 says:

        “Bugger hook”.

        Damn dude, your leatherneck is showing ROFL.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          I knew I picked the wrong week to cut back on my daily crayon intake.

        2. avatar strych9 says:

          I find sniffing markers and eating paste helps take the edge off.

        3. avatar Someone says:

          That expression used to be quite popular around here in TTAG’s earlier years.

        4. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

          we used to eat pogo paste (minty) as kids.
          dad said they used to drink the ink in their desk wells for the refill delay…

    4. avatar Merle 0 says:

      Glock? Psh. Whatever. Springfield? Puke! Any striker fired? Hell no. Be a man and Get a real mans gun like a 1911 or revolver you sissy.

      1. avatar Biatec says:

        Black powder muzzle loading derringer all the way. If you need more than that you probably shouldn’t own guns at all.

        1. avatar Merle 0 says:

          No no no, if you need more then that, you wear a brace of black powders like black beard 😉

    5. avatar strych9 says:

      I’d actually prefer that people opted for companies to stay the fuck out of politics where politics and company business interests don’t intersect.

      Personally I don’t give a fuck what RRA/SA did because they were trying to protect their bottom line against something that was probably inevitable regardless of what they lobbied for or against. The way, IIRC, this thing ended up being shadily passed a year later indicates that the Democrats were going to get their law come Hell or high water.

      But really, the point is this: We DO NOT want to be asking companies to bail us out when the voters fuck up. In the long term that’s a road to laziness where, at best, the voters don’t learn the error of their ways and gain the maturity to fix those errors. Also, in the short term it’s a road to being outspent because there are a lot more companies run by antigunners than there are by PROgun folk.

      Sure, the vast majority give no fucks either way but if we get into a “muh company can out lobby your company” slugfest we’re gonna lose when some asshole like Ed Stack decides that flushing the entire company’s operating budget down the toilet for gun control is a good idea. Unscrupulous polesmokers like that will bankrupt companies to achieve political ends whereas no matter how pro-gun some other CEO is they’re probably not going to spend their company into oblivion just to virtue signal to us.

      If you’re an anti you can bankrupt a company by supporting gun control and, at worst, get a “bailout” with a cushy “advising” or lobbying job within the Democratic party. Do that on the right and you’ll be a pariah who’s looked at as an idiot, sued into oblivion and cast aside like the trash you are.

  16. avatar Dc9loser says:

    Thanks for the comments. I was all set to go looking for a hellcat to replace my EDC Gucci Glock 19 Clone. I had forgot all about what Springfield did. Not buying anything from them now. Currently boycotting Amazon, Dicks, Walmart, and etc. Stop funding the enemy.

  17. avatar Old Guy in Montana says:

    Thank you Dan. The reviews on TTAG are consistently mo’ better (honester?) than the old time gun rags (need I mention Guns & Ammo wherein I have never read a negative comment on a review).

    The slide serrations on my P365 are just the right amount of grippy….sorry SA that IS a deal breaker for me (also the biggest reason why I will not consider a Beretta APX…even at severely discounted prices).

    Street price looks to be the same between SA and Sig.

    Sig for the win! (and you don’t have that slimy feeling on your conscience afterwards).

  18. avatar JoinGOA,FPC,SAF says:

    You are a traitor to America,Business & Liberty if u buy any Springfield Armory or Rock River Product after what they did to gun owners and mom and pop stores in Illinois!

    As a result of their push & support for anti-gun anti-FFL cost to do business to sell guns over half or more FFL’S in Illinoise have gone out of business!

    U may as well buy terrorist made guns from Turkey who support & fund ISIS!

    1. avatar Dude says:

      I didn’t follow this Illinois law, but maybe you can explain something. I notice this keeps coming up. Was this really “a result of their (SA) push & support” or was this inevitable after dems picking up extra house seats and winning the governor race? I get that SA supported it initially, then fought against it, but did it really only pass because they initially helped to lobby for it? Just curious. I didn’t follow this site back then.

      1. avatar Hody Snitch says:

        They initially opposed the bill along with rock river. Then they negotiated a carve out exception for manufactures so they would be exempt and that put the bill back in play. Without their opposition, the bill was able to go forward. When all hell broke loose and we found out, they opposed the bill but it was too late. Now, I don’t believe they have a carve out, nor do big box stores. However, the only ones getting screwed in this deal are the smaller and mid range stores. The bigger stores had to shell out a lot of dough to come up to code. And it looks like they will have to shell out more. springfield and rock river suck bad.

        1. avatar pwrserge says:

          Oh they got their carveout. The bill only applies to retailers that do more than 10% of their volume in firearms.

      2. avatar pwrserge says:

        The GOP still held the governor’s seat when this bill was passed in both houses. They lacked the votes for a veto override, but Madigan being a weaselly piece of shit kept the legislature out of session until after BJ the Hutt was sworn in and could sign the bill into law since the new legislature hadn’t been sworn in yet, so the bill wasn’t technically dead.

        Springfield Armory and Rock River funded the slimy piece of shit lobbyist who said that so long as the bill didn’t affect manufacturers, they would support it.

        1. avatar Hody Snitch says:

          I did not realize they still had their carve out. Pricks.

        2. avatar Dude says:

          Looks like the the governors race wasn’t even close for some reason.

        3. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

          So are you guys also boycotting the Republicans whose sitting Governor let this shit happen, and voting Libertarian or forming a new party?

        4. avatar pwrserge says:

          The sitting governor did everything he could. He pocket vetoed the legislation. What happened was that Madigan rules-lawyered the bill into still being alive to be signed by BJ the Hutt. (Our new grossly overweight piece of shit commie who got into office a few steps ahead of a tax fraud indictment.)

  19. avatar tdiinva says:

    This is where the market is right now. Small pistols with mid size capacity. Contrary to current conventional wisdom these pistols do not make larger pistols obsolete. The Yankee Marshal dealt with the pros and cons of small pistols in video earlier in the year. The pros amounted to easy to carry and that’s about it. I think everyone should own a small pistol if they can afford it either for backup or when circumstances dictate a small gun but from my perspective spending $450-$500 on a pistol for limited use is not worth it

    1. avatar Merle 0 says:

      Exactly. And it seems people rarely factor in barrel length and its effect on which ever round they choose. For instance modern 9mm is a decent and popular round now, but there’s a big difference in its performance coming out of what is essentially a 2” barrel then a 4-5” barrel. Not picking on 9, that goes for any round.

    2. avatar The Crimson Pirate says:

      In the last few weeks I’ve become a big fan of pocket carry. The small guns with ~3 inch barrels will do well enough to social work. No one is going to yell “give me your money!” from 25 yards away.

      1. avatar tdiinva says:

        Let me translate that into plain English for you: “I’m never going to use it but it’s nice to have one just in case so I will carry a tiny gun.”

        That is probably a realistic assessment however, the probability of a discrete event is zero or 1. A fractional probability is just a population statistic. If I asked you what the life time probability that I will be in a terrorist attack is you would come back with too small matter. So there I was in the New Foresman Conference Room on the mezzanine level in the Pentagon on September 11, 2001. For me that probably is 1.

        Is it not worth a few extra ounces if the larger pistol gives you a better chance of survival?

  20. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

    “The problem is the serrations just aren’t aggressive enough. They’re relatively shallow, both front and back, and if your hands are wet or sweaty, there’s a good chance your grip could slip when racking the slide.”

    That’s the problem with my new CZ RAMI, it is an absolute *bitch* to rack the slide, with the double-wound slide spring as stout as it is. My weak hand is now my strong hand (not by choice) and the only place I can grip it to rack it is at the rear serrations, but when I do that, I can’t look in the chamber to verify clear, the palm of my hand now blocks the view. Aggravating doesn’t begin to describe it. I’m currently experimenting with skateboard tape, if that doesn’t work out, the RAMI will be delegated to bedside gun duty…

    1. avatar strych9 says:

      Those double springs, well all springs, often need to just be broken in by gently warming the gun (via firing it repeatedly, the best form of warming a gun).

      Also, if you can, I suggest using a gripper with individual fingers like the one’s made by ProHands. Sucks but they work and work pretty fast, ask me how I know.

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        The ‘exerciser’ is a good idea, I’ll pick one up at the local sports mega-mart.

        And a few hundred rounds through it is also a good idea, thanks…

        1. avatar tsbhoa.p.jr says:

          all that external frame stoutness yields less slide for purchase. the 2075 is a cz i do not own (i certainly would like to), hope it works out.
          cgw says 1000rds for recoil spring replacement. i can’t find a lighter one available, dpm makes a triple rate that parabolically ramps up towards the rear of slide travel, but has the same initial tension.
          very cool pistol.

  21. avatar Mack The Knife says:

    Another outstanding gun by Springfield Armory. If its not a Springfield then its just another gun.

    1. avatar DFW Patriot says:

      Too bad it’s way bigger than the P365. They can’t even make a better direct competitor when they try. Fail.

    2. avatar Someone says:

      All the gun control support shenanigans aside, you do know this is a Croatian import and that the company selling it has nothing to do with the original Springfield Armory, right? Just making sure.

  22. avatar Dan says:

    No buy Springfield. Springfield very bad man.

  23. avatar Amir says:

    Huh. Crybabies. Guess you don’t live here in the once just okay state of Illinois. The giant importer know as Springfield Armory screwed us yesterday, today and tomorrow. F*** them. I have $$ to spend, going elsewhere. There’s my skin in the game.
    خرید تجهیزات شبکه

    1. avatar Someone says:

      Hey, bot. Stealing comments from others to push your shady site? Tsk, tsk!

  24. Too bad HS Produk doesn’t sell these directly! Never Springfield!
    زوج درمانی قطعی

    1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

      Firefox is warning me your ‘clinic’ website is a security threat :

      “Firefox detected a potential security threat and did not continue to armitacilinic.com. If you visit this site, attackers could try to steal information like your passwords, emails, or credit card details.”

      Needless to say, I went no further. How many businesses do you run, anyways?

      1. avatar Geoff "I'm getting too old for this shit" PR says:

        Translated –

        “List of Armita Specialty Clinic Services

        ۱. Specialized Marital Dispute Resolution (Comprehensive Couple Therapy)
        ۲. Specialized marriage counseling
        ۳. Genetic counseling
        ۴. Psychotherapy
        ۵. Psychiatry
        ۶. Psychoanalysis
        ۷. Academic advice
        ۸. Career counseling
        ۹. Telephone and video counseling
        ۱۰. Psychiatric visit and home psychology counseling.
        ۱۱. Addiction quitting advice
        ۱۲. Treatment of Obesity
        ۱۳. Quit smoking and hookah
        ۱۴. Psychotherapy for chronic pain
        ۱۵. Sex Therapy
        ۱۶. Treatment of sleep disorders
        ۱۷. Life Skills Training”

        That’s quite a variety you have there. Especially the third from the last one… 😉

  25. avatar anaxis says:

    I want one, but SA isn’t going to get any cash from my grip.

    And I probably won’t have long to wait before they hit the secondary market cheap, hard as Springfield is working at saturating it.

  26. avatar TP says:

    Great review! Will have to fondle one sometime. Looks good, like the specs and sights.

  27. avatar asdf says:

    Why “no one had done it sooner”?????? Kel-Tec did it in 1995. Sig/Springfield whoever else is 25 years behind.

  28. avatar KGM says:

    Looks good, only time will tell. However, it’s deemed so dangerous that the gray suited thugs that rule in commie kalifornia say NO. Unless of course you’re special. Like law-enforcement.

  29. avatar JW says:

    Just two questions:

    1) How did Springfield find room to pack that much contempt for customers into such a small frame?
    2) Where are we supposed to grip the gun? – I don’t seen any designated areas…

  30. avatar Accur81 says:

    I hear this has primer drag as well. I really enjoy my non-primer dragging P365XL.

  31. avatar Mike H says:

    Write “GRIP ZONE” on the thing and their sales will triple!

  32. avatar Michael carroll says:

    Don’t care about politics, I like guns and nobody can refute that the Hellcat osp is anything but marvelous. I just bought one with the optics. My regular carry is a Glock 43 or gen 5 19. Buy the way I also love my Sig 320 carry in both Sig 357 and .40 cal. Like I say, don’t care who makes them.

  33. avatar BH says:

    I will stick solely with the Hellcat review, and not get in to politics, past comparisons, egos, etc. I held a Hellcat alongside my P365 today at a local gun show. The dimensions are so close, I don’t believe you would notice any significant difference in size or weight. After comparing, I would never buy the Hellcat due to the profile and thickness of the trigger guard, which pressed very hard into my right middle finger. The undercut was not as good either, so as hard as I tried, I could never fully grasp the grip with my medium-sized hands. It truly felt like a block of wood. The P365 also has a smoother trigger, with a better reset. I have been a Glock guy for 30 years, and this is the first Sig I ever owned because I never liked them. I have never owned a Springfield, except for the old civilian M14-style rifle. I have now included the P365 in my concealed carry rotation with my Glock 27. Hellcat, great attempt, but not there yet.

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