If you can place shot after shot into melons from 15 yards, it’s not a bad choice for a self defense weapon. Especially if you cannot hit the side of a barn with a blunderbuss! Carry the largest caliber that you shoot well.
Stop being stupid, just stop
“Stop being stupid,”
Take your own advise, you brain-damaged moron.
I see we have a Biden supporter in our midst.
If you’re shooting melons from 15 yards, you can expect Grandpa to light you up with some rock salt.
Yes, I know for certain that my next gunfight will be within 15 feet and I will be able to get a headshot
Have you tried thinking????
Odds are more like 3 feet.
The best time to carry a 22 for defense is Never
Ever been shot in the face 11 times with a pocket .22?
No but if I had it would have made me really mad.
Mongo?!?
🤣
Yep, because .22 cal is for Ar 15s. LOL
best caliber to carry for any *one individual* is the caliber handgun they can hit targets the quickest and repeatedly with. Whether it’s .22, .32, 38, 357, .9mm .40,.44, .45 etc..
a 44 RemMag isn’t worth a shit if you can’t hit the target with it….
.25 ACP never gets any love…
“.25 ACP never gets any love…”
.25 ACP has earned the lack of respect…
If Major Boothroyd says it’s insufficient, who am I to argue?
Unless your name is Sirhan Sirhan…
Geop! I AGREE!
a) You’d think grandpa would remember Sirhan Sirhan.
b) Nickel plated sissy pistol – no. But polished stainless steel sissy pistol – 👍.
also John Hinckley
Well, technically Hinckley didn’t actually succeed in assassinating Reagan with a .22. It did succeed in taking Reagan out of the fight though.
How about an NAA .22 magnum for social work where a larger piece would be difficult to conceal?
Quite right. Compared to more powerful cartridges, .22LR isn’t very good. Compared to no other cartridges at all, .22LR is outstanding.
If you’ve got but a few firearms, and circumstances dictate that you can’t carry a larger handgun, then a .22 makes perfect sense.
Biden likes .22LR because it won’t blow your lungs out, but he will ban it anyway because Sirhan Sirhan!
I conceal an SD9 without worry, without a coat.
A little further unsolicited insight; You could die because your semi-auto jams. You could die because your revolver didn’t hold enough ammo. You could die because your assailant was hopped up on jenkem and your 9mm (or .357) wasn’t enough gun. Etc. Or you could flash your LCP .22LR and your assailant could turn tail and run. Or you could go your whole life avoiding stupid people, stupid places at stupid times and never even need a gun. The odds that your .22 won’t be enough gun to get you out of trouble are substantially higher than your 9mm or your .357, but a .22 in your pocket beats a .44 at home or in the console every time.
I’ve had times in my life when a .22 was the only gun I had. For a variety of reasons.
My biggest concern with a .22 has never been about ‘stopping power’. It’s always been about reliability. Rimfire ammo simply isn’t as reliable as center fire. The very reason Saint John the Browning designed the .25 acp. The smallest caliber that you could use a center fire primer in.
Well you could splurge and shell out the extra $300 and lug around an extra 6 ounces for the 8 shot LCR. Then you can just keep pulling the trigger until one goes bang.
The LCR in .22lr has a hammer that juts out the back of it, just waiting to hang up in a pocket, for example.
I’d seriously consider carrying one if someone makes a ‘bobbed’ replacement hammer for it…
“…I’d seriously consider carrying one if someone makes a ‘bobbed’ replacement hammer for it…”
You can do this yourself with simple tools.
“You can do this yourself with simple tools.”
True, but I’d rather it looked like it was done properly.
(“A man’s got to know his limitations.” Clint Eastwood as ‘Dirty Harry’?)
Manse. I’ve heard that altering the weight of the hammer can affect the reliability.
Geoff,
No, the LCR in .22lr does NOT have a hammer that juts out the back of it, You’re thinking of the LCRx (the long-barreled version).
The LCR in .22 LR does not have any exposed hammer.
See https://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5410.html
My Rossi single/break has yet to fail to fire a .17 HMR. Probably because it has a centerfire hammer and pin, and the .17 barrel is offset so the pin strikes the rim. (It has an interchangeable 12 gauge barrel also.)
The hammer and spring probably have more weight, being as they were built for a centerfire.
.22 Winchester centerfire predates the 25 by several decades…
That was a rifle round that featured a bigger cartridge case. Browning put together the .25 acp to match the performance of .22lr in a more reliable package for semi auto handguns.
That is why I always carry an Uzi 9mm, .45cal long slide, and 12 gauge autoloader. I wanted a pulsed plasma rifle in the 40 watt range but they proprietor was only willing to sale what he had in stock.
A .22 is far superior to harsh language. But a .9 mm is vastly superior to harsh language.
jwm:
I think you’ve got that backwards, unless of course you’re trying for sarcasm.
“Point” 9mm, as in .0354 caliber?
You could cut the tips off sewing needles for bullets. 😮
You and Shadow new around here?
Evidently.
Are you familiar with the phrase “shoot the dick off a grasshopper?”
“shoot the dick off a grasshopper?”
All I need, an enraged grasshopper out for vengeance on me.
Because, to me, anyways, one grasshopper looks pretty much like every other grasshopper.
{Note – The mutant grasshoppers in the latest ‘Jurassic Park’ movie don’t count.}
(Shudder 🙁 )
The one used for shooting viruses.
Careful, kid. You’ll blow your lung out.
Grandpa never had to carry, but that was back when people worked and minded their own business! Nowadays his grandson carrys whichever fits the occasion, any gun in your safe you need to be confident that it’ll keep you alive. Train with all of em!!
Mine carried a Colt police positive 38 special.
Mine carried a M1913 .32 he took from a Nazi. He Also packed a hard hitting right hook.
When grandpa carried, it was nothing less than .4″, unless it was concealed then it might have been a .38 snub nose.
So Gramps liked that 10.16mm? Is that caliber or barrel length?
A caliber who’s number started with a 4.
And a barrel length of nothing less than 4 inches.
.4″ would be pretty darn short.
I’m just puling your leg. Would you rather that I pull your finger?
🙂
I recall seeing a picture of a musclebound guy on the cover of a bodybuilder magazine, flexing his pecs. He claimed his chest would stop a slug from a 357. Tough looking fella, no doubt, but I never saw a followup story, and I bet there ain’t no volunteers for taking a 22 slug neither. Pffft. Every firearm and every caliber has a failure story, and the biggest guaranteed failure is to not have a weapon. Your best weapon is your thinker, and your next best one is your muscle memory (i.e., training). Unless you have a meaner older brother, which can be handy at times too.
I’m willing to take somebody up on that, but only on the condition that while they shoot at me with their .22, I get to use my CZ-75 with a +2 mag to put 19 rounds of 9mm into them at the same time. Funny enough, I’ve had no takers, either.
“Betcha wouldn’t stand in front of it!” is very stupid argument that masquerades as a clever one. I wouldn’t want to get hit with a damn BB gun, but that doesn’t make it a good idea to tote one around for self-defense.
Unless it’s full auto. Which ironically are legal.
I have a couple—pretty fun to shoot.
I’m not pushing 22s as much as pushing thinking and training. Here’s some food for thought:
When I was a kid, a buddy shot another kid with a bb rifle. Several years later, they met again. She said she still had the bb in her leg. Yeah, I’m not volunteering for bb catching.
I know one thing, Major. I drew down and fired straight at it. Capped off two hundred rounds in the minigun, full pack. Nothing… nothing on this earth could have lived. Not at that range.
Carried a MK-II once or twice. Not gonna say it was the best option by any means but hey it beat a sharp stick.
You can get stupid accurate with a MKII. Shoot em in the eye socket, they’ll go down.
BAD THING ABOUT 22LR OR 22MAG , IT TUMBLES INSIDE THE BODY , HIT THE RIGHT SIDE , MAY END UP IN LEFT SIDE OF TTHE BODY , YES 22 ROUNDS DOES NOT PENETRATE AS SOME ROUNDS DO NOR HAVE QUICK KNOCK DOWN POWER , STILL , ALOT OF PEOPLE , KIDS HAVE BEEN INJURED OR KILLED WITH 22 CAL . ONE OF MOST POPULAR GUNS SOLD .
YEP STAINLESS STEEL AND BLUE WAY TO GO , IT’S JUST LOT OF NEWER GUNS HAVE ALLOY FRAMES . UUUUH.
Having actually seen what a .22LR does to someone’s head at point blank, and in real time, I have two recommendations.
1. Don’t carry it as a defensive weapon.
2. Don’t get shot by someone who does.
If the shooter in that case really wanted to kill my friend, rather than just steal his car, a fatal follow up(s) would have been child’s play.
“If the shooter in that case really wanted to kill my friend, rather than just steal his car,…”
How’s he doing today? Hopefully he’s not vegetative… 🙁
The injury gave him some mood problems, mostly anger management issues.
Pretty good TBI. I mean, other than the penetrating injury through the first layer of skill it was like getting cracked in the head with a five iron. He had a seizure two days after and had a ping-pong ball sized blood clot taken out of his brain.
*skull.
1/4 inch lower and it would have been instant lights out forever. He got hit right above the right temple.
His surgeon was a gun guy and said flat out that based on his experience, if could wave a magic wand he’d make it impossible for gangbangers to operate a .22 or a .32. He saw A LOT of headshots from both and my buddy was the first person he’d ever met who could talk… or ever would talk again.
The Ruger/MAC MKI took quite a few lives. .22LR isn’t the joke some people seem to think it is.
.22 is like a 2am hook up.
Better then nothing but there’s a lot better out there.
Oddly enough this is also the face anyone with any common sense would make too.
It is better than nothing, but I wouldn’t risk it. 9mm at minimum. Personal choice. Everything we do is in the very small percentage. For example, we carry for the small percentage of ever having to defend ourselves. So taking that mentality, you have to find out what works best for you to keep yourself safe and sometimes compromises have to be made, but carrying a .22 wouldn’t be one of them for me. I’d rather carry a pocket 9 with less rounds and a spare mag in the zap position 😉
Too many reasons why a .22 is a little too small.
Not in the U.S. – its in Cetinje, Montenegro – but interesting…
Killer used a gun and knife. One child escaped – mom, dad, and one child killed. Killer found dead of self-inflicted gunshot.
Sad these bastards never seem to take themselves out first.
A guy came home early and walked in on his wife in bed with another man.
Guy pulls out a pistol and points it to his head.
Wife screams, “Don’t do it!”
Guy says, “You’re next, bitch!”
🤣🤣🤣
You could die because your semi-auto jams. You could die because your revolver didn’t hold enough ammo. You could die because your assailant was hopped up on jenkem and your 9mm (or .357) wasn’t enough gun. Etc. Or you could flash your LCP .22LR and your assailant could turn tail and run. Or you could go your whole life avoiding stupid people, stupid places at stupid times and never even need a gun. https://192168l254.com.mx/ES
i dont carry any caliber
that doesnt blow the lungs out
period
.22 Charter Arms aluminum frame, 2″ snubby eight shot. Speed drills. Start with gun holstered in OWB rig. Hands up at shoulder height. Draw and shoot 8 rounds of CCI Stingers on timer signal. Distance three yards. Average time to shoot 8 rounds, all center mass, 2.91 seconds. Fastest time, 2.82 seconds. Average time to first shot, 1.17 seconds. Compare to S&W 642 and Charter Arms Undercover (.38 Special) at 2.62 seconds to draw and fire 5 rounds. Two center mass, three stringing higher. The .22’s lack of recoil results in very consistent shot placement. Faster splits. Repeated drill with Federal .22 Punch. Similar result. Repeated with 158gr .38 +P, resulting in reduced accuracy and slower splits resulting from increased recoil. I do not carry .22 for self-defense. I carry a Micro9 or .38 revolver (either loaded with Underwood Xtreme Defender +P). Nonetheless, the accuracy, speed and penetration of high velocity .22 LR in an 8 shot revolver is not to be underestimated. Reliability? Dead primers don’t result in a stoppage, just pull the trigger again. While not an ideal solution for self-protection, it is still a solution.
“Average time to first shot, 1.17 seconds. Compare to S&W 642 and Charter Arms Undercover (.38 Special) at 2.62 seconds”
Why a full second longer to draw the 38?
I read it as being 2.62 seconds from holster to 5th shot.
“…2.62 seconds to draw and fire 5 rounds.”
His draw time for all similar size revolvers is likely the same.
Thanks that sounds right.
Similar draw time. That time refers to shooting the gun empty. Five .38s are faster than eight .22s, but the splits between shots are slower with the .38 due to recoil recovery. I shoot as fast as I can reliably put rounds on the target. It’s easier and faster with .22, because of negligible recoil and muzzle flip.
I have a target and timer screenshot showing a 1.5″ .22 group shot in 3.67 seconds (@ 3 yards). Typically, .27 second splits. Slower but more accurate. Again, it’s always a compromise between speed and accuracy. Circumstances and distance will determine those factors.
Well there’s killers and there’s carriers
👍
Shit, speak for yourself! My Poppaw would have said “Yeah Boy, me too.” Not that he needed it, that crazy mean old bastard was still fist fighting when he was in his 60’s 😂
Your only as old as you feel.
Carry what you can actually comfortably shoot and hit the target with. A well placed .22 is much more effective than a .44magnum sailing off into the wild blue yonder.
Of course, the basic idea is to avoid needing to shoot in the first place. As always, your best weapon is your brain. Learn to use it well.
A lot of lawmen back in those days hardly even carried their weapons and almost never fired them. My grandfather was chief of police in a very rough town and used his revolver so little that he once traded it to the barkeep to vouch for his outstanding tab. Traded his service revolver to keep the tab going. That was the “ol’ days.”
The 5 most important things to consider when choosing a caliber are shot placement, shot placement, shot placement, putting bullets into your target until gravity takes over, and shot placement. Arguing calibers are for people who aren’t practicing shot placement.
If you can place shot after shot into melons from 15 yards, it’s not a bad choice for a self defense weapon. Especially if you cannot hit the side of a barn with a blunderbuss! Carry the largest caliber that you shoot well.
Stop being stupid, just stop
“Stop being stupid,”
Take your own advise, you brain-damaged moron.
I see we have a Biden supporter in our midst.
If you’re shooting melons from 15 yards, you can expect Grandpa to light you up with some rock salt.
Yes, I know for certain that my next gunfight will be within 15 feet and I will be able to get a headshot
Have you tried thinking????
Odds are more like 3 feet.
The best time to carry a 22 for defense is Never
Ever been shot in the face 11 times with a pocket .22?
No but if I had it would have made me really mad.
Mongo?!?
🤣
Yep, because .22 cal is for Ar 15s. LOL
best caliber to carry for any *one individual* is the caliber handgun they can hit targets the quickest and repeatedly with. Whether it’s .22, .32, 38, 357, .9mm .40,.44, .45 etc..
a 44 RemMag isn’t worth a shit if you can’t hit the target with it….
.25 ACP never gets any love…
“.25 ACP never gets any love…”
.25 ACP has earned the lack of respect…
If Major Boothroyd says it’s insufficient, who am I to argue?
Unless your name is Sirhan Sirhan…
Geop! I AGREE!
a) You’d think grandpa would remember Sirhan Sirhan.
b) Nickel plated sissy pistol – no. But polished stainless steel sissy pistol – 👍.
also John Hinckley
Well, technically Hinckley didn’t actually succeed in assassinating Reagan with a .22. It did succeed in taking Reagan out of the fight though.
How about an NAA .22 magnum for social work where a larger piece would be difficult to conceal?
Quite right. Compared to more powerful cartridges, .22LR isn’t very good. Compared to no other cartridges at all, .22LR is outstanding.
If you’ve got but a few firearms, and circumstances dictate that you can’t carry a larger handgun, then a .22 makes perfect sense.
Biden likes .22LR because it won’t blow your lungs out, but he will ban it anyway because Sirhan Sirhan!
I conceal an SD9 without worry, without a coat.
A little further unsolicited insight; You could die because your semi-auto jams. You could die because your revolver didn’t hold enough ammo. You could die because your assailant was hopped up on jenkem and your 9mm (or .357) wasn’t enough gun. Etc. Or you could flash your LCP .22LR and your assailant could turn tail and run. Or you could go your whole life avoiding stupid people, stupid places at stupid times and never even need a gun. The odds that your .22 won’t be enough gun to get you out of trouble are substantially higher than your 9mm or your .357, but a .22 in your pocket beats a .44 at home or in the console every time.
I’ve had times in my life when a .22 was the only gun I had. For a variety of reasons.
My biggest concern with a .22 has never been about ‘stopping power’. It’s always been about reliability. Rimfire ammo simply isn’t as reliable as center fire. The very reason Saint John the Browning designed the .25 acp. The smallest caliber that you could use a center fire primer in.
Well you could splurge and shell out the extra $300 and lug around an extra 6 ounces for the 8 shot LCR. Then you can just keep pulling the trigger until one goes bang.
The LCR in .22lr has a hammer that juts out the back of it, just waiting to hang up in a pocket, for example.
I’d seriously consider carrying one if someone makes a ‘bobbed’ replacement hammer for it…
“…I’d seriously consider carrying one if someone makes a ‘bobbed’ replacement hammer for it…”
You can do this yourself with simple tools.
“You can do this yourself with simple tools.”
True, but I’d rather it looked like it was done properly.
(“A man’s got to know his limitations.” Clint Eastwood as ‘Dirty Harry’?)
Manse. I’ve heard that altering the weight of the hammer can affect the reliability.
Model #5410
https://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5410.html
Geoff,
No, the LCR in .22lr does NOT have a hammer that juts out the back of it, You’re thinking of the LCRx (the long-barreled version).
The LCR in .22 LR does not have any exposed hammer.
See https://www.ruger.com/products/lcr/specSheets/5410.html
My Rossi single/break has yet to fail to fire a .17 HMR. Probably because it has a centerfire hammer and pin, and the .17 barrel is offset so the pin strikes the rim. (It has an interchangeable 12 gauge barrel also.)
The hammer and spring probably have more weight, being as they were built for a centerfire.
.22 Winchester centerfire predates the 25 by several decades…
That was a rifle round that featured a bigger cartridge case. Browning put together the .25 acp to match the performance of .22lr in a more reliable package for semi auto handguns.
That is why I always carry an Uzi 9mm, .45cal long slide, and 12 gauge autoloader. I wanted a pulsed plasma rifle in the 40 watt range but they proprietor was only willing to sale what he had in stock.
A .22 is far superior to harsh language. But a .9 mm is vastly superior to harsh language.
jwm:
I think you’ve got that backwards, unless of course you’re trying for sarcasm.
“Point” 9mm, as in .0354 caliber?
You could cut the tips off sewing needles for bullets. 😮
You and Shadow new around here?
Evidently.
Are you familiar with the phrase “shoot the dick off a grasshopper?”
“shoot the dick off a grasshopper?”
All I need, an enraged grasshopper out for vengeance on me.
Because, to me, anyways, one grasshopper looks pretty much like every other grasshopper.
{Note – The mutant grasshoppers in the latest ‘Jurassic Park’ movie don’t count.}
(Shudder 🙁 )
The one used for shooting viruses.
Careful, kid. You’ll blow your lung out.
Grandpa never had to carry, but that was back when people worked and minded their own business! Nowadays his grandson carrys whichever fits the occasion, any gun in your safe you need to be confident that it’ll keep you alive. Train with all of em!!
Mine carried a Colt police positive 38 special.
Mine carried a M1913 .32 he took from a Nazi. He Also packed a hard hitting right hook.
When grandpa carried, it was nothing less than .4″, unless it was concealed then it might have been a .38 snub nose.
So Gramps liked that 10.16mm? Is that caliber or barrel length?
A caliber who’s number started with a 4.
And a barrel length of nothing less than 4 inches.
.4″ would be pretty darn short.
I’m just puling your leg. Would you rather that I pull your finger?
🙂
I recall seeing a picture of a musclebound guy on the cover of a bodybuilder magazine, flexing his pecs. He claimed his chest would stop a slug from a 357. Tough looking fella, no doubt, but I never saw a followup story, and I bet there ain’t no volunteers for taking a 22 slug neither. Pffft. Every firearm and every caliber has a failure story, and the biggest guaranteed failure is to not have a weapon. Your best weapon is your thinker, and your next best one is your muscle memory (i.e., training). Unless you have a meaner older brother, which can be handy at times too.
I’m willing to take somebody up on that, but only on the condition that while they shoot at me with their .22, I get to use my CZ-75 with a +2 mag to put 19 rounds of 9mm into them at the same time. Funny enough, I’ve had no takers, either.
“Betcha wouldn’t stand in front of it!” is very stupid argument that masquerades as a clever one. I wouldn’t want to get hit with a damn BB gun, but that doesn’t make it a good idea to tote one around for self-defense.
Unless it’s full auto. Which ironically are legal.
I have a couple—pretty fun to shoot.
I’m not pushing 22s as much as pushing thinking and training. Here’s some food for thought:
https://www.buckeyefirearms.org/real-world-22s-self-defense
When I was a kid, a buddy shot another kid with a bb rifle. Several years later, they met again. She said she still had the bb in her leg. Yeah, I’m not volunteering for bb catching.
I know one thing, Major. I drew down and fired straight at it. Capped off two hundred rounds in the minigun, full pack. Nothing… nothing on this earth could have lived. Not at that range.
Carried a MK-II once or twice. Not gonna say it was the best option by any means but hey it beat a sharp stick.
You can get stupid accurate with a MKII. Shoot em in the eye socket, they’ll go down.
BAD THING ABOUT 22LR OR 22MAG , IT TUMBLES INSIDE THE BODY , HIT THE RIGHT SIDE , MAY END UP IN LEFT SIDE OF TTHE BODY , YES 22 ROUNDS DOES NOT PENETRATE AS SOME ROUNDS DO NOR HAVE QUICK KNOCK DOWN POWER , STILL , ALOT OF PEOPLE , KIDS HAVE BEEN INJURED OR KILLED WITH 22 CAL . ONE OF MOST POPULAR GUNS SOLD .
YEP STAINLESS STEEL AND BLUE WAY TO GO , IT’S JUST LOT OF NEWER GUNS HAVE ALLOY FRAMES . UUUUH.
Having actually seen what a .22LR does to someone’s head at point blank, and in real time, I have two recommendations.
1. Don’t carry it as a defensive weapon.
2. Don’t get shot by someone who does.
If the shooter in that case really wanted to kill my friend, rather than just steal his car, a fatal follow up(s) would have been child’s play.
“If the shooter in that case really wanted to kill my friend, rather than just steal his car,…”
How’s he doing today? Hopefully he’s not vegetative… 🙁
The injury gave him some mood problems, mostly anger management issues.
Pretty good TBI. I mean, other than the penetrating injury through the first layer of skill it was like getting cracked in the head with a five iron. He had a seizure two days after and had a ping-pong ball sized blood clot taken out of his brain.
*skull.
1/4 inch lower and it would have been instant lights out forever. He got hit right above the right temple.
His surgeon was a gun guy and said flat out that based on his experience, if could wave a magic wand he’d make it impossible for gangbangers to operate a .22 or a .32. He saw A LOT of headshots from both and my buddy was the first person he’d ever met who could talk… or ever would talk again.
The Ruger/MAC MKI took quite a few lives. .22LR isn’t the joke some people seem to think it is.
.22 is like a 2am hook up.
Better then nothing but there’s a lot better out there.
Oddly enough this is also the face anyone with any common sense would make too.
It is better than nothing, but I wouldn’t risk it. 9mm at minimum. Personal choice. Everything we do is in the very small percentage. For example, we carry for the small percentage of ever having to defend ourselves. So taking that mentality, you have to find out what works best for you to keep yourself safe and sometimes compromises have to be made, but carrying a .22 wouldn’t be one of them for me. I’d rather carry a pocket 9 with less rounds and a spare mag in the zap position 😉
Too many reasons why a .22 is a little too small.
Not in the U.S. – its in Cetinje, Montenegro – but interesting…
Gunman Goes On Rampage, Killing 10, Including 2 Children, Is Stopped By Armed Passerby > https://concealednation.org/2022/08/gunman-goes-on-rampage-killing-10-including-2-children-is-stopped-by-armed-passerby/
armed passerby stopped an ‘active shooter mass shooting’
Why We Carry: Three Family Members Murdered By Stranger In Random Attack While Camping
https://concealednation.org/2022/08/why-we-carry-three-family-members-murdered-by-stranger-in-random-attack-while-camping/
Killer used a gun and knife. One child escaped – mom, dad, and one child killed. Killer found dead of self-inflicted gunshot.
Sad these bastards never seem to take themselves out first.
A guy came home early and walked in on his wife in bed with another man.
Guy pulls out a pistol and points it to his head.
Wife screams, “Don’t do it!”
Guy says, “You’re next, bitch!”
🤣🤣🤣
You could die because your semi-auto jams. You could die because your revolver didn’t hold enough ammo. You could die because your assailant was hopped up on jenkem and your 9mm (or .357) wasn’t enough gun. Etc. Or you could flash your LCP .22LR and your assailant could turn tail and run. Or you could go your whole life avoiding stupid people, stupid places at stupid times and never even need a gun.
https://192168l254.com.mx/ES
i dont carry any caliber
that doesnt blow the lungs out
period
.22 Charter Arms aluminum frame, 2″ snubby eight shot. Speed drills. Start with gun holstered in OWB rig. Hands up at shoulder height. Draw and shoot 8 rounds of CCI Stingers on timer signal. Distance three yards. Average time to shoot 8 rounds, all center mass, 2.91 seconds. Fastest time, 2.82 seconds. Average time to first shot, 1.17 seconds. Compare to S&W 642 and Charter Arms Undercover (.38 Special) at 2.62 seconds to draw and fire 5 rounds. Two center mass, three stringing higher. The .22’s lack of recoil results in very consistent shot placement. Faster splits. Repeated drill with Federal .22 Punch. Similar result. Repeated with 158gr .38 +P, resulting in reduced accuracy and slower splits resulting from increased recoil. I do not carry .22 for self-defense. I carry a Micro9 or .38 revolver (either loaded with Underwood Xtreme Defender +P). Nonetheless, the accuracy, speed and penetration of high velocity .22 LR in an 8 shot revolver is not to be underestimated. Reliability? Dead primers don’t result in a stoppage, just pull the trigger again. While not an ideal solution for self-protection, it is still a solution.
“Average time to first shot, 1.17 seconds. Compare to S&W 642 and Charter Arms Undercover (.38 Special) at 2.62 seconds”
Why a full second longer to draw the 38?
I read it as being 2.62 seconds from holster to 5th shot.
“…2.62 seconds to draw and fire 5 rounds.”
His draw time for all similar size revolvers is likely the same.
Thanks that sounds right.
Similar draw time. That time refers to shooting the gun empty. Five .38s are faster than eight .22s, but the splits between shots are slower with the .38 due to recoil recovery. I shoot as fast as I can reliably put rounds on the target. It’s easier and faster with .22, because of negligible recoil and muzzle flip.
I have a target and timer screenshot showing a 1.5″ .22 group shot in 3.67 seconds (@ 3 yards). Typically, .27 second splits. Slower but more accurate. Again, it’s always a compromise between speed and accuracy. Circumstances and distance will determine those factors.
Well there’s killers and there’s carriers
👍
Shit, speak for yourself! My Poppaw would have said “Yeah Boy, me too.” Not that he needed it, that crazy mean old bastard was still fist fighting when he was in his 60’s 😂
Your only as old as you feel.
Carry what you can actually comfortably shoot and hit the target with. A well placed .22 is much more effective than a .44magnum sailing off into the wild blue yonder.
Of course, the basic idea is to avoid needing to shoot in the first place. As always, your best weapon is your brain. Learn to use it well.
A lot of lawmen back in those days hardly even carried their weapons and almost never fired them. My grandfather was chief of police in a very rough town and used his revolver so little that he once traded it to the barkeep to vouch for his outstanding tab. Traded his service revolver to keep the tab going. That was the “ol’ days.”
The 5 most important things to consider when choosing a caliber are shot placement, shot placement, shot placement, putting bullets into your target until gravity takes over, and shot placement. Arguing calibers are for people who aren’t practicing shot placement.
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