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With the adoption of Idaho’s ‘Enhanced CCW’ permit, the neighboring states of Idaho and Washington now fully recognize each others’ (enhanced) CCW licenses. Now if we can just get grumpy old Oregon on board . . .
Idaho has offered a ‘basic’ CCW license since 1990. It’s been liberally (in the ‘generous’ sense of the word) issued to just about anyone over the age of 18 without a disqualifying conviction. Local LEO’s had the choice of whether to require any specific training to qualify for a basic Idaho CCW, and most chose not to.
This, ahem, ‘liberality’ has caused most other states to deny CCW reciprocity to Idaho CCW holders. States typically only grant reciprocity to other states with CCW laws that are as equally stringent as their own. And those that also recognize the first state’s CCW permits. Idaho’s ‘problem’ was that few other states issue CCWs to anyone under 21 years old, and many of them have some form of training requirement as well. Under either prong, Idaho’s basic process wasn’t strict enough to be granted reciprocity by most states.
This smacked of inequity, since Idaho was just as generous at recognizing other states’ CCWs as it was at handing out its own. Idaho’s reciprocity rules are simple and generous: if you have a CCW from any jurisdiction in the country, you can pack in Idaho. God bless the Gem State.
Despite this generosity, Idaho’s legislature saw that its citizens were getting the fuzzy end of the stick when it came to reciprocity. Last summer they decided to authorize a new ‘Enhanced’ CCW process, in order to encourage more states to recognize Idahoans’ CCW permits. The new Idaho ‘Enhanced’ CCW licenses require some training, and are only issued to qualified applicants over the age of 21.
The old ‘basic’ Idaho CCW is still available (though not widely recognized outside the state) but the ‘Enhanced’ CCW is now granted reciprocity by 30 states including Washington.
Not among them? Oregon. The Beaver State is a real party-pooper on reciprocity because Washington and Idaho recognize Oregon CCWs, but Oregon doesn’t recognize theirs. Adding insult to injury, many larger Oregon counties have slightly anti-gun sheriffs who use their discretion (if not their judgment) to deny most nonresident CCW applications.
This CCW snobbery can be circumvented if Washingtonians and Idahoans apply for CCWs from the handful of Oregon jurisdictions (including Grant and Columbia counties) which routinely issue Oregon CCWs to nonresidents.
Isn’t it awesome to see a state government actually working to protect and enhance the 2nd Amendment freedoms of its citizens? I almost want to move to Idaho after writing this, but Boise is stinking hot in the summer (and bitter cold in the winter) and I promised my wife I’d never take another Bar Exam again.
But I digress. Hopefully all of this state-by-state reciprocity talk will be redundant someday when we can celebrate nationwide reciprocity or right-to-carry, but for now it’s at least another step in the right direction.
If you bored out a bolt .22 to accommodate a WMR cartridge, wouldn’t that be equal to running a double charge so how much more stout is a .22 WMR rifle chamber and bolt than an LR gun?
Also, my single six gives a nice blast as not all of the WMR powder is burned by the time the bullet exits the muzzle probably the same in the LR cylinder with an over charge.
This was written in a Firing Line Forum by FrankenMauser on February 17, 2011, 02:14 PM
“.22 LR has an average powder charge of 1.3 to 1.8 grains.
.22 WMR has an average powder charge of 6.5 to 7.5 grains.
-And, yet again, .22 WMR has more than 4-5 times as much.”
Is this true? If so, a double charge of LR is still only 1/2 of WMR?
Does this affect anyones comments?
I wish is was country wide ccw acceptance.So difficult to travel protected.
Looks like Chicago had some issues with the cold weather this year, caused the schools to shut down for a day or two here and there. Alderman Smith might want to suggest placing “No Cold Weather” signs on the schools, so that this doesn’t happen again.
Good one
I got a good gun discussion going on that article a few days ago under my Disqus name “Mina Smith” 🙂
Interestingly, since Idaho introduced their enhanced ccw permit, PA has dropped their reciprocity agreement with Idaho, with no explanation. How could stricter requirements lead to losing reciprocity? Answer: Kathleen Kane, PA’s leftist AG. PA voters, pay attention to what Kane does.
Good news for all the border dwellers. Now Oregon needs to start being more neighborly. I can understand if they want to keep the Californicators out, but the California residents with CCW permits aren’t the ones they need to be worried about.
My father in law still tells me stories of his youth where, during hunting season in PA, students were allowed to keep firearms in their lockers.
How have we sunk so far in a generation?
Washington doesn’t recognize Oregon’s license. Where did you hear that?
Oregonians, and even most of their lawmakers, want reciprocity as a bill has passed the house a time or two with good bipartisan support. The only catch is the whole thing is being held hostage by one anti-rights nut in the Senate, the judiciary committee chair, Floyd Prozanski.
Adding to the discomfort level for Idaho’s few Dems (about 20% of the population), our Legislature is currently working on a bill that will require state/public colleges and universities to recognize the Idaho enhanced CWL (concealed weapon license) for carry on campus. University administrator and faculty apoplectic head explosions are expected.
As an aside, one of the neat things about our CWL is that it means “weapons” – you want to carry a switchblade, you can carry one.
I live in Idaho. Most folks I know have received Utah’s CCW. If you want the mother of all permits for reciprocity, though, move to North Carolina.
Silver lining here. If Winchester replaces each bad box with 2 good ones as a courtesy, everyone’s gonna wish they had the bad lots lol.
I received a few firearms from my father. My parents were of the type that flipped full retard when they had kids though so I didnt even know my father had these guns until I came home from college one weekend and they were sitting neglected on a table with a bunch of junk being cleaned out of the garage.
I took them home and repaired what I could and what I couldnt repair sort of became decorative. Try as I might I cannot connect any sentiment to them or even connect them with my father or any of that typical “quality time” stuff so often associated with a father a son and the outdoors, hunting, shooting, etc… They just take up room in my safe and if it werent for a standing order of mine to never sell a firearm they would already be sold.
So the lesson here is a gun is a terrible thing to waste. I just get annoyed when I think of all the times growing up I expressed an interest in shooting and was berated with the typical onslaught of “dangerous!” and “no child of mine!” all the while the answer to getting the kid to bond with the dad was rusting away up in the leaky garage.
So maybe there is some sentiment attached to them. Bitter, resentful sentiment.
well, one gun own own is go-to for feeding my family, one primary go-to for protecting them. If someone tells me whether feeding or protecting them is more important, I can answer this.
My PawPaw’s Savage Model 340 (bolt-action) in 30-30 Win. with Weaver 4X. (early 1950’s vintage). It has put a lot of deer on the table and continues to do so.
Sheep need other sheep around to keep them safe. You only have herd protection with a herd. Seems sad the sheep only want to be surrounded with more sheep and shun the shepherd. They’re probably just scared they might have to take some responsibility for themselves and that their political base is no longer as captive as before.
A gem in a quary of rocks!
My Pop’s Colt 1911 Government Model issued to him by General Westmoreland that he took and used in Vietnam when he was a Green Beret.
Never did find out what happened to Dad’s BSA .22 single shot – probably sold by my mother after he died. Most valuable gift from my grandfather – a set of encyclopedias that got me straight A’s throughout schooling, and books by Col. Jim Corbett, describing what it takes to put your life at risk to protect vulnerable Indian villagers from terrible feline predation. My Sikh friend showed me his father’s M1 Garand – he had been a senior Indian Army officer.
My Mossberg Maverick 88 keeps me safe. Other rifles are fun but maybe not essential. Nah, I’m kidding, they’re ALL essential!
Next time you argue with a grabber, bring this up. Demand to know which side they support, and when they say “the government,” tear ’em a new one.
My wife passed away in 2001. It crushed me in a way I had not thought possible. That Christmas was going to be bad for me. My brother with the help of the whole family bought me an M1A Supermatch with the matching Milspec optics. When I look at that rifle it will always remind me of how much my family loves and cares about me.
First of all, I don’t see how requiring universal background checks would be a constitutional violation. Second, while I don’t know anything about the veracity of the “90% of Americans support this” statistic, if that were true AND people felt strongly about it AND it happened to actually be unconstitutional, then the ultimate outcome would be that the constitution would be amended to reflect the will of the governed. 90% support would eventually filter through to representatives for enough votes for a constitutional amendment. It’s a mutable document. If 99.9% of the population supports something, as some comments have said, any form of government that doesn’t allow that to be reflected in law is completely broken.
As long as zombies are discussed in a somewhat comedic light, I think it’s great for our side.
Just don’t go overboard and pull a Eric Cartman.
I’m not sure bringing in a bunch of people who truly believe that zombie’s are real and will ravage the earth into the shooting sports and so forth is a good idea. Maybe they should all see shrinks, not guns. Just my personal thoughts on the idea.
I think we are doing a disservice (a potentially deadly one, at that) by treating any shooting sports as a game. Taking 3 inexperienced shooters, arming all three of them simultaneously, and putting them in an unfamiliar course with moving targets that look like humans is asking for trouble. I am more than ok with people having fun with shooting courses, but making it like a video game has the potential to dilute the deadly seriousness that comes with firearms handling. You have to start with fundamentals before you can get people on a dynamic range, especially if there are multiple simultaneous shooters.
Regarding the idea of running from a cougar: cats are fairly expressive in nonverbal communication. Running away is Cat for, “Eat me, I’m tasty.”
Just a suggestion for any New Yorkers out there; when you’re riding in the passenger seat at 2:00am with your Ruger in the glove box loaded with 10 rounds in the magazine and the cops turn there lights on but your wife doesn’t stop for 2 minutes, pop open the glove box, pull your magazine, flick 3 cartridges out and stick the magazine back in. Just a suggestion.