Ahmaud Arbery Shooting
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The index of cases like [the Arbery shooting] seems to point to racial presumptions implicit in how we interpret the concept of self-defense. It is reminiscent of the “gay panic” defense of old, in which violence committed in the name of self-defense was acceptable based on a straight person’s allegedly rational fear that a presumably gay person might assault him. We are living in the age of the black-panic defense.

There was no conviction in the trial of George Zimmerman, who killed Trayvon Martin, and no charges were brought in the deaths of John Crawford and Tamir Rice. But no one can seriously believe that if two armed black men chased down and shot a white man in Glynn County, Georgia, they would walk around freely for more than two months. Whatever [Alan] Tucker’s motives, his release of the shooting video appears to have accelerated the arrest and charging of the McMichaels with murder and aggravated assault. The efforts to bury the case have failed, but it remains hugely significant that two prosecutors saw the video and thought that the two men should go free. The question is whether a jury of twelve Georgians will agree with them.

– Jelani Cobb in We Are Living in the Age of the Black-Panic Defense

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    • If you want purely non political gun talk. Got to The Firearms Blog website. This pertains to defensive gun use and media coverage which affects gun rights.

      • Thanks for the tip Matt. This site will have a weapon review that gets a dozen comments of which 3 may be useful. It’s mainly for the same 8 guys to argue over and over about whatever Hillary Clinton did. I’ve been here because I followed and respected what RF did at TTAC and then this site but since he sold it to the current owners it’s gone far downhill. I’m moving on and yes, no one will miss me so save your comments everyone who’s staying.

    • Just my guess, but its a reminder that just because you carry a gun, openly or otherwise, you have a responsibility to do so legally and in a way not to intimidate others. No doubt you have watched the video and looked over the laws in Georgia. I would have to say that Arbery probably felt intimidated by the actions of two armed men who first tried to stop him and then blocked his path with firearms displayed. He reacted out of fear and for that he is now dead.

      The odd thing I noticed is both of these men (McMicheals) had been court officers and should have known their detention of Arbery wasn’t legal. They should have also known that while the open carry of those firearms was legal, their actions while carrying them was, at best, questionable.

      I believe it is a reminder to all of us, if we want to keep this right, we need to exercise it as the founders intended. If crap like this happens, there will eventually be enough opposition to the Second Amendment that is will change, be heavily regulated or gone.

      • I agree with the Randy Jones assessment. There was nothing defensive in this encounter- the McMichaels inititated it with little or no evidence that Arbery was their “suspect” other than being black and jogging.

        I run about 5 miles per day, would that make me a suspect if I were black and some crime had been committed within a 2 mile radius? Let these looney’s lawyers defend them- I see no reason to become embroiled in race issues when it appears a prejudice may have been the primary reason for the encounter. Also keep in mind that the primary reason we carry is for self defense.

        • Correct and on point.

          This was not a defensive gun use, this was stalking and murder.

        • Shut up boomer. This black criminal thug terrorized this neighborhood.

          Citizens arrest and open carry are legal in Georgia.

          The McMillans are victims. They are also heroes.


          Why are you a self-hating white person?

        • When somebody jogs by your home and you have the time to arm yourself and bring your inbred son along for the ride, stop your truck ahead of the victim and wait, then kill him, that is premeditated murder.

        • Innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers is all that matters one way or another, everything else is your stupid opinion.

        • “The truth about stupid opinions says:
          May 10, 2020 at 09:51
          Innocent until proven guilty by a jury of peers is all that matters one way or another, everything else is your stupid opinion.”

          I did not post that. But I am flattered to have an impostor.

        • Only an individual with a bigoted mentality would stoop to provide cover for the McMichaels. Those two were waaaaay out of line and waaaaay out of bounds with the law. A couple of days ago some guy supporting the McMichaels claimed they had a video of the deceased committing the crime. Where is it? Nowhere because it does not exist.
          The armed McMichaels are two buffoons who without any solid evidence whatsoever took the law into their own hands and an unarmed man who tried his best to fight back is deceased. The McMichaels initially determined the perp was Black so in their small minds all Blacks are now perps. It does not work that way unless you are a bigoted bag of manure with a box of popcorn cheering the McMichaels on..
          Firearms should have never become part of the equation. All that was needed was a photo to turn over to the police and surely the McMichaels had phones with cameras like the individual who filmed the tragedy and was key to putting the McMichaels where they belong.
          Deadly force is only to be used when there are no other options such as staying home or maintaining a non confrontational distance from the suspect. Too bad the jogger was not armed, it would have been a clear case of self-defense.
          There are individuals on this forum who show their bigoted behinds at the mention of a Black crime. To these bigots…You just keep thinking the face of the Boogieman is Black and leave the door open for some armed lily white perp to make a stupid bigot their new wife.

        • Some genuine bigots, and some such as OK BOOMER there who look like anti-gun trolls commenting so that their associated groups can point out the evidence that gun enthusiasts are racist.

        • The mentality is obvious here.

          “Some nigga stole our stuff, let’s go kill a nigga!”

          Supposed “officers of the court” would almost certainly have priority over lesser beings, if they had just called the cops. Just a simple phone call,

          “Hey, this is Bubba – how ya doin, Ox? Hey, I got me some nigga running on the street in front of my house, and I want him questioned. Can you send a car over?” There would probably have been SIX CARS within five minutes, because Ox and Bubba dated the same heifers in high school. That doesn’t even address the fact that those six cars would have likely questioned every black person they layed eyes on, just because they were black.

        • Pathetic. Why don’t you wait for the details before rushing to a conclusion? Tell us all about how you jog in neighborhoods other than where you live. Doesn’t everyone? Speaking of enablers, after Trayvon, Smollett and dozens of others I think most Americans understand exactly who the enablers and apologists are. Why does the media make every shooting of a Black by a cop a nation issue? We see so many of cops shooting whites regularly don’t we. And when blacks kill whites, its a local issue, never to be made a nation headline, because…fairness, justice..or maybe plain racial bigotry pushed by the usual suspects. I doubt you’ll condemn the Black Panthers now parading openly in the streets of that community just as they did in St Louis after the “Gentle Giant” kabuki dance.

          I am sick of all these rush to judgement losers who never seem to be around after the full story comes out. Further I am sick of repeating the same BS that citizens have no right to detain someone they suspect of criminal activity. We have evidence this man was not where he was supposed to be. Further why did he assault these men. Doesn’t everyone attack armed men when they have nothing to fear?

      • “…its a reminder that just because you carry a gun, openly or otherwise, you have a responsibility to do so legally and in a way not to intimidate others.”

        It’s also a reminder that retired “highly trained professionals” aren’t necessarily any better at handling firearms than non-military / non-law enforcement folks, contrary to what the disarmament community pushes. Why aren’t they discussing this? Because it’s inconvenient to their cause and they aren’t honest people.

        • I seen a lot of them saying if he was armed he could have shot those two in self defense. They are starting to think they should get armed even when jogging. All they can do right now is go out for a run because of the virus. They just bought a bunch of handguns, record levels.

          This is a golden opportunity for 2nd Amendment supporters to show they are not racists and to actually help minorities get armed legally.

          Of course the NRA is going to be silent because the McMichaels had “Don’t Tread on Me” on their truck, they are MAGA supporters, NRA members, Republicans, hunters and former law enforcement. It’s all the DAMN stereo types wrapped in one! HOLY SHIT! Can it get any worse?

          This case is nuclear. People rather touch the corona.

        • They should be armed and they should be helped. It’s also important to recognize that potential attackers for minorities will most likely NOT be so called don’t tread on me rednecks. So let’s get all of the information out there. However, drawing on someone that has the drop on you with a shotgun might be a bad idea.

      • +1. The purpose of the article is to remind you to be on the “strategic defensive” when you carry. That is to say, when I carry a firearm, I’m not looking for trouble. I’m looking to be left alone though I am prepared for and situationally aware of trouble.

        That’s different than the “tactical offensive” when you’re not left alone and have to finish the fight.

        The other unspoken, but fairly apparent thing about this shooting is Jim Crowe is alive.

        • A) The dead sacred black had mental issues and a long criminal record, including illegal possesion of firearms.
          B) The father had dealings with him when he was a cop.
          C) The dead sacred black was seen in several security videos at the scene in prior thefts.
          D) The guy who took the video recognized him as coming from a house under construction.
          E) In Georgia, citizen arrests are legal.
          F) Both father and son were legally allowed to have firearms.
          G) It is legal to carry firearms in a vehicle in GA.
          H) The dead sacred black struck the son in the head and attempted to take the shotgun.
          I) The DA found no criminal actions on the part of the white guys.
          J) Finally, 911 was called on the dead sacred black twice prior to the incident.
          And – there was no problem until Benjamin Crump got involved! Right there that tells you the sacred dead black was a thug, and the white guy was in the right.

      • The McMichaels “may or may not” have had a right to do, but did they do the “right” thing(s)? Was the offense/felony a killing offense? Did the McMichaels advance the 2A right? Does this video make POTG look like responsible citizens? You decide……………..

      • I too agree with Randy. I have not seen anything to this point to suggest that even the displaying of a firearm was warranted. In fact, if this young man had gone after the gun-wielding person to defend himself, he was in the right to do so. The fact this young man walked through a home under construction does not show any ill intentions. I myself have done so many times to see the rough in layout. As I always do, I will wait until all evidence is presented but on the surface, and from the video evidence I have seen, this is a bad shoot.

        • I have not seen anything to suggest that the crackers leaving their driveway was justified.

        • Strange I did not know carrying firearms had to be “authorized” or “warranted.” It appears in America we are now being told your work is non-essential, your business is non-essential, your right to religious freedom and gather peaceably is also non-essential to be authorized and warranted by your overlords.

          So now we have more Karins telling us what is “warranted?”

        • “In fact, if this young man had gone after the gun-wielding person to defend himself, he was in the right to do so.”
          ONLY if the man was THREATENING him with the shotgun. Not if he was just holding it. And we, at this point, do not know what the COMPLETE FACTS are.
          Did the guy point the gun at him? Did he say I’m gonna blow your head off??? What precisely happened???

          If you are right then the cops have to right to physically ATTACK ANYONE in public that is just carrying a firearm.

        • If they were attempting to DETAIN him because of ‘suspicion of burglary’, whether their suspicions were correct or not, as citizens they could do so and then have to face whether their actions with reference to that were justified or not. Just like any COP has to.

          However, the attack UPON the one guy with the shotgun was not justified as far as we can tell; unless the guy with the shotgun was POINTING it at him and threatening to shoot him. But it certainly was STUPID. DEADLY STUPID.

          MANY technicalities of the law will come into play here. Let’s pray that JUSTICE for once is served, whatever that may finally be. Keep the race bullshit the hell out of it.

          U had me says:
          May 10, 2020 at 09:42
          When somebody jogs by your home and you have the time to arm yourself and bring your inbred son along for the ride, stop your truck ahead of the victim and wait, then kill him, that is premeditated murder.

          This simpleminded slob puts a highly complicated matter into such simple terms. I pray he never sits on a jury judging me.

        • Gee if you see a unarmed rapist or an unarmed man who just beat someone to death of course you have no duty nor right to pursue the individual in question and if a 20 something attacks a 60 year old how dare he shoot in self defense. Everyone knows that the 60 year old will destroy a 20 something everyday of the weak. And what innocent individual when confronted with an armed man will not stand up for his rights and proceed to assault the bully to defend his innocence, doesn’t everyone?

          Its especially remarkable that the usual suspects are ready to render judgement before the facts are know, and the media is well known for its objectivity and honesty in these matters.

          I for one would love to see the media sued for spreading fake news. In fact I’d like the US to adopt English laws preventing the reporting of crimes and trails until they are resolved. We’ve seen enough lynching by press in the past 50 years to be sick of it. We saw it with Trayvon and Smollett and dozens of other cases. But when have you seen media outrage when blacks kill some white man? Circkets.

      • Spot on, Randy. However the point you left out was the fact that it took so long for any justice to be taken in this case. 1. was there a cover up? Did the McMichaels have that level of influence in their community? 2. Why did it take so long for the video to forward? 3. What explanation can the first DA have for the delay? 4. If there was a cover up, will the participants be punished?

        • Well Bobby, the reason is they, at first, felt there were no charges to be brought. The DA first handling this case had a DIFFERENT opinion than those who came in later after all the recusals. That takes time.
          They don’t just release the vids as soon as they get them for obvious reasons——–the lynch mobs form too quickly.
          Lastly, who says which legal opinion of a crime being committed is correct here?
          I’ll tell you. NO ONE BUT THE GRAND JURY! And ultimately the jury of We the people.

      • “….. should have known their detention of Arbery wasn’t legal.”

        At least one DA legal beagle disagrees with you. I’ll bet there are plenty more that do also.

    • Were this another crap piece about celebrity news I would agree with you. Those posts are garbage and detract from TTAG.

      Defensive gun use posts are pertinent to Gun Rights, whichever side of the argument they may fall on where public opinion is concerned. Every time a citizen rightfully defends his or herself with a firearm, it adds to the defense of the Second Amendment and the natural Civil Right it enumerates.

      The opposite is also true. Every time a citizen wrongfully uses a firearm it harms the case for all of our natural Civil Right to keep and bear arms.

      We would be fools not to pay close attention to both cases.

      • I do not agree, at all. Every time a citizen wrongfully uses a firearm, it *strengthens* the justification for everyone to be armed, so as to oppose that wrongful use. You will never eliminate wrongful use of firearms, the best you can do is assure that unjustified force can be successfully opposed.

        • BUT, the average voter does not see that way. So you need to be aware of the fact that to them they just read another newspaper article where two southern MAGA Trump NRA gun toting ex cop judge jury and executioner bubbas took out a black man for the crime of looking inside a house under construction and jogging while black. They will not think hey maybe I should consider getting a weapon to protect myself while out. Nope, they are going to be all for having your weapons removed. You can yell and scream 2nd amendment all you want when the laws in your state get changed. Maybe move to another state and hope the critical mass of voters needed to change the laws does not happen. Tool up and go out and shoot the treasonous bastards which will really get the ball rolling nationwide to make sure you never will possess arms again or? Use common sense, why did these 2 need to confront him? The father knew the man and could easily describe him to LEO. Instead they let it get out of hand and now 3 lives have been destroyed. No matter what they are financially ruined and will be outcast among normal civilized people. Was that a smart thing to do?

    • It’s pretty relevant – kneejerk defense of the McMichaels is helping anti-gun nuts make their argument for them, when the actual 2nd Amendment angle here is that if Arbery had been legally armed he should have legally defended himself.

      • He couldn’t be legally armed because he brought a handgun into a gun free zone when he was 19.

        He has to be 21 to get a handgun. He has to have a permit to conceal carry. He can’t carry a gun through a gun free zone. He can’t carry a weapon on a school campus.

        Gun control is RACIST.

        • While I’m generally not a fan of his, the Adam Ruins Everything piece on gun control is very good, and exposes people who otherwise would be against us (or at best ambivalent) to the realities of gun control. He makes the point that gun control = racism pretty early and often throughout, citing multiple examples in American history. It’s not perfect, but it’s a lot better than I expected from a typical left-wing media personality (I stop short of calling Adam Conover a celebrity, because..well…he isn’t)

        • Chief, WTF you talkin’ about, the deceased was 25, should have been armed. Of course, Rand Paul should have been armed as well, and his neighbor should have been long dead before Paul arrived at hospital.

        • @LarryinTX

          He was convicted of breaking gun control laws when he was 19. That limited his defensive weapons to something like a hammer or his fists.

    • Wasn’t it ONE home that was under construction with nothing worth stealing unless he had a pickup truck to load lumber in???????

    • You must be new here. This site has discussed crimes involving guns and defensive gun use since the very beginning.

    • Same as all those articles about Jessie Smolett and Travyon. Whites are always guilty. No need to look at the evidence, no need to weigh the evidence, no need to check everything out.

  1. I expect that both of the McMichaels will be seeing jail time measured in many years.

    That said… “We are living in the age of the black-panic defense.”

    Horseshit, and intended to ignite outrage. This very well may be a case of individual racism, but it doesn’t point toward an institutional or widespread problem statistically.

    • I see it either way. It depends on how well their defense is able to present the case s well as the racial and gender makeup of the jury. There have been more than a few cases where I was stunned by verdicts.
      That said the smart defense would have been to never get yourself into such a situation in the first place.

      • If they have a defense attorney smart enough to get them off the Feds will step in and throw down “Hate Crime” charges which is even worse than what they are charged with now, these guys WILL do decades in jail either way…

        • Because self defense against a violent attack is a hate crime!

        • Had they followed the law (which I’m sure they are familiar with) there would have been no “violent attack”… The government will NOT let this go unanswered and IF the McMichaels EVER uttered or published even the slightest racially charged word they WILL be charged with a hate crime.. I could argue that Arbery was acting in self defense when he was confronted by a shotgun wielding individual that apparently lacked the intellect to maintain a safe distance between himself and an unarmed Arbery… while Arbery used the same poor judgement by attempting to disarm one of TWO armed men confronting him instead of just giving up and waiting for the cops…

        • Murderous defense against a violent attack is punishable when the attack did not exist. And waiting for the cops or a rope, whichever arrived first, would not have appealed to me, either.

    • Black panic might be reasonable in other cases but not this one. If I were being chased by armed men and I was going to get killed anyway, I might as well go on the offensive and try and get a barrel up.

      That said, I do keep my eyes open around unknown / unfamiliar blacks the same way I do around cops and tweakers. I keep my distance until I’m required to interact. Once they pass my sniff test, everything is well, but not before. I’ve had my ass grabbed and spanked enough times by randos in the grunts, in public no less, to keep a distance around gays as well.

    • True, things have gotten better, but it hasn’t been fixed yet. There’s still problems with generation Boomer and X, especially with the Boomer.

      The McMichaels fit the racial stereotype of being hunters and NRA members who are not too kind to non whites. Then there’s them chasing down a young black male while standing on an American truck holding guns. Then there is their support for Trump and MAGA.

      Remember how Northam won? Remember how he shut down a gun protest on the capital? Remember how the Virginia Democrats got 7 out 8 of their bills passed? Remember this?

      • “Coonman” Northam won because of tens of millions of Bloomberg’s dollars. Trying to read another reason is not reasonable.

  2. Before we all go nuts for this “poor fella”..! Why are we not hearing more about the fact that Arbery was running while wearing a pair of boots AND just before you see him in the video, had dropped a hammer down in the street…?? This is NOT an open and shut case!!

    • True, its not an open and shut case, but it is. Even if he had the hammer, that would not be a felony. First I would like to point out the ‘hammer’ was reported by the same people who are currently arrested. There is, as far as I know, not video evidence of the ‘hammer’ being dropped. The same people who claimed hey wanted to question him and possibly make a citizen’s arrest. Except, as I recall from living in Georgia years ago, you can only make a citizen’s arrest against someone who committed a felony and only then if you have proof or first hand knowledge they committed the crime. there was a 911 call, but the portion of what was released from that said they say him at the construction site, but did not mention seeing he take anything or damage anything. Trespassing on an ‘open’ construction site I believe is a misdemeanor. Still not a reason for a citizen’s arrest.

      • ” . . . you can only make a citizen’s arrest against someone who committed a felony and only then if you have proof or first hand knowledge they committed the crime. . .”

        Supposedly there is security camera video of Arbery or someone who looked like him, breaking into houses in the neighborhood. If there is this kind of video, I wonder how this will play out in subsequent decisions. It’s also worth considering if the response to Arbery’s shooting and death would be perceived any differently if the father and son were LEO’s in uniforms and driving a police car? Further, if there is evidence that justifies the shooting, will the Georgia legal system have the integrity to avoid a Trayvon style show-trial. At this point the whole thing just feels like a road we’ve traveled down before. Optics are not necessarily truth.

        • “…if the response to Arbery’s shooting and death would be perceived any differently if the father and son were LEO’s in uniforms and driving a police car?”

          It would be. Because then they would have been, you know, actual police.

        • “Supposedly there is security camera video of Arbery or someone who looked like him, breaking into houses in the neighborhood. If there is this kind of video, I wonder how this will play out in subsequent decisions.”

          This is supposed to be the video :

        • PROBABLE CAUSE ARREST !!!!!????
          No actual PROOF needed at that time. The investigation that follows often provides the PROOF———-or not. But the arrest is still valid.

          I just love all these Monday morning couch potato lawyers who spout the law but have only a limited knowledge of same. A little knowledge of a COMPLEX subject is a VERY DANGEROUS thing.

        • “PROBABLE CAUSE ARREST !!!!!????”

          Do you really believe Georgia law allows ordinary citizens to make probable cause arrests?

          Interesting, but if you do that yourself you will end up in jail. And it sounds like that probably is the right place for you, I don’t want you swarppin’ around my city streets with a gun trying to arrest people you think might’ve committed a crime.

    • It’s an open on shut case because Georgia Law only allows you to make a citizens arrest in the immediate wake of a crime and not days later. The contrast with the Zimmerman case is obvious to anybody who knows the facts. Zimmerman contacted the police first and was moving away from trouble and going back to his truck when Martin attacked him..

      • Martin had a reasonable fear that Zimmerman was just going to get into his vehicle and continue to stalk him.
        Zimmerman has disregarded dispatches direction to discontinue pursuit, he exited his vehicle to more effectively stalk Martin.

        • You are an idiot. Martin was a couple of hundred yards from the safety of his temporary residence and had no idea where Zimmerman was headed. His girlfriend gave an interview where she admitted she whipped him up into a homophobic rage. It’s clear that you know the MSNBC version of events.

        • Martin had, in fact, made it home safely. He went back out looking for Zimmerman. even with complete perjury and conspiracy by the prosecutors and their false witness at trial enough truth came out that Zimmerman was released.

        • Zimmerman got out of his truck to look for Martin only after the police operator asked for Martin’s location. As soon as the operator advised Zimmerman that wasn’t necessary, Zimmerman started back to his truck. Martin jumped him before he made it.

        • Martin at no time made any effort to call 911 instead he ducked between houses would you consider that to be the actions of someone in fear?

        • Miner and his stupidity makes an appearance.
          Martin got what he was begging for.
          One less piece of trash to support in prison.
          When someone attacks you and tries to kill you, remember to let them have their way..

        • Just because someone is following you does not give you the right to ATTACK them and pound their skull into the concrete sidewalk.

          You do have the opportunity to put distance between you and the person who is JUST FOLLOWING YOU. If and when they ATTACK you——–that is a different story.

          Grow yourself some commonfuckingsense already.

        • Don’t bother asking Miner to use ‘common sense’. He’s far to stupid.
          He only knows how to regurgitate the crap his liberal masters tell him to.

      • Trayvon Martin has been turned into a civil rights saint. In the minds of a great many Americans the fact that he attacked Zimmerman doesn’t matter at all. Turning thugs into saints is an old, old, practice that always generates good political capital. Similarly, turning saints into thugs can do the exact same thing.

        • There wasn’t enough evidence that Zimmerman murdered. There was no video nor witnesses. He got off on a reasonable doubt. Maybe he did murder Trayvon after he lost a fist fight. That’s enough to say not guilty. We can’t say he did, we can only say maybe.

          So using the Trayvon case for anything is not good. Only one man knows what happened in that case and he is the killer.

          The EJ Bradford and Philando Castile shootings are what they should be using. Not cases with no evidence or cases that can go either way in court regardless.

        • “There wasn’t enough evidence that Zimmerman murdered. There was no video nor witnesses.”

          Wrong. There were several eyewitnesses that observed some of the incident. None viewed all of the incident.

          The eyewitnesses interviewed by the police backed up Zimmerman’s account of the incident.

          That is *why* Zimmerman wasn’t arrested the night of the incident. His story matched the eyewitnesses. There never was a case to convict Zimmerman…

        • @Geoff

          No one saw the fight and killing. It was dark and they were far away. Only Zimmerman knows what happened.

          There was recording but they were too dark. No one could see the shooting.

    • You’re two days behind on the facts.

      Videos have been posted of what Arbery was doing (or not doing) before he was chased by the McMichales then Bryant.

    • I haven’t seen the boots or the hammer, thus have not considered them as any manner of evidence. It is easy to make up all manner of stories to throw off discussion into the weeds.

  3. This is simply a combination of fairly low information people and the proliferation of the thug/gangbanger culture depicted everywhere and accepted as the new normal. It happens on both sides people! Just because you never see it on MSM!

  4. Funny, I was trained to observe a potential attacker’s body language and to make special note of where his or her hands are. Skin color really had nothing to do with it except as one of several factors in later identifying the attacker. And by today’s leftist standards, such as they are, I would be classified as a white asian.

    • “White” Asians have privilege in Asia. The tan ones are looked down on because having dark skin is a sign of being from a lower class.

    • In America, then, are you an asian white? Just curious, I am an American. In America, in Asia, in Europe, in Africa, on and on … Always an American.

      • Right this African, Asian, Norwegian etc. American is bullshit. Your either American or your not.

        • Right, screw those Italian American and their crazy Italian traditional festival’s!

          What’s with those Irish Americans, always wanting to fight, forcing us to celebrate their Saint Patricks holy day.

          Why won’t they just shut up and be Americans like good white Americans, you know Caucasians from the caucus mountains in Russia.

  5. I will wait till the complete story comes out and all the evidence is released, but there are a lot of questions that need to be answered from both sides

    • Yes, this exactly. The grand jury testimony in the Michael Brown case and the jury transcripts in the Zimmerman trial contained facts that never have and never will appear in the lamestream media.

      The narratives pushed publicly about those two situations are pure fiction.

      Likewise with what happened in Charlottesville. The truth is out there, but you must seek it out for yourself and not expect newspaper and television “reporters” to spoon feed it to you. You will never get the truth from them.

      • “ Likewise with what happened in Charlottesville.”

        Interesting, could you please be more specific.

        • You calling someone out on facts is interesting. Too bad that isn’t an introspective trait as well…

        • This deserves a more detailed treatment by someone with more time and energy but I will try to give a succinct summary.

          Charlottesville was an Antifa/BLM ambush set up by the city government and perpetrated by the PD.

          After months of legal struggle against the city which was trying to stop the demonstration against the removal of a Confederate statue, and several other demonstrations actually going forward peacefully, the Unite The Right people got the legal go ahead from the courts. They were supposed to have parking near the location, and police keeping counter protesters away, but the day of the even they were forced to park at a considerable distance. They were supposed to be allowed to have their own PA system, but due to being unable to drop it off by vehicle they could not.

          BLM and Antifa were organized into large blocks of people by the police with only narrow corridors through the crowds created by flimsy barriers. Unite The Right people were forced to enter the area in those narrow corridors between BLM and Antifa. when the UTR people were well into the midst of the counter protesters BLM and Antifa then began throwing objects. At that point the police declared the UTR assembly “unlawful” in violation of the court orders and ordered the UTR people to disperse. The UTR people attempted to egress back by the route they had entered through via the narrow corridors between barriers but were blocked by police. Police removed barriers at the front of the assembly and forced UTR people to disperse through antifa and BLM. Then the police withdrew to a safe distance to let BLM/Antifa have their way.

          What followed was essentially a fighting retreat by the UTR people back to where the UTR they had been forced to park. In the famous parking garage photo of the black man who was beaten you will see another man on the ground. That is white guy who was just beaten down by the black guy in the picture and his friends. The white guys beating the black guy had come to the other beaten guys aid.

          There is a video of a UTR guy shooting at the feet of a black guy. What is not shown is that black guy using a spray can as a flamethrower at the UTR guys immediately before.

          James Fields, the man who ran into a car which ran into a car which ran over communist combatant Heather Hyer, had driven down a street which he found to be blocked by the other cars stopped by an antifa/blm crowd. His vehicle came under attack by Antifa and BLM with sticks, bats, and bricks and he panicked and hit the gas causing the accident.

          The post event legal situation was a disaster. A number of white guys got railroaded into various crappy plea deals while the few antifa/blm people that got charged had their charges dropped or got otherwise let off.

          Media coverage was pure fiction but permeated our society so thoroughly that even Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh still spout the false media narrative.

          The city government of Charlottesville is full of open communists and they have actually bragged about this but most of it has gone down the memory hole, been deleted, hidden or otherwise covered up.

          It’s all out there though, if you look for it.

        • Those answers are too long. Try this; Watching the newsvideo of the conflicts, I could not determine which side was which. Everybody was pounding on each other with clubs. Attempting to convince me that one side was all good and innocent, being picked on unfairly by the meanies on the other side, was moronic, it was a bunch of assholes who went to beat up on each other, of absolutely no interest to me. If 1000 had died, it would still be of no interest.

        • Miner: still waiting on the proof from your claim about Nazi flags and nooses at the protest in Michigan..
          oh, yea.. there is none..
          liberal POS.

  6. This is an interesting case, and of course bad for the 2nd amendment. These white dudes are, at best, mentally challenged. They started an armed agressive encounter. I am capable of unbiased, non binary thought. I’m also studied in the law. Unless more information comes to light, I highly doubt these guys will be convicted of any degree of murder, despite what the media mob would like. Depending on what we find out, I could see them being charged with assault with a deadly weapon, manslaughter, or nothing at all. What’s strange is that the deceased himself could have used deadly force in lawful self defense throughout the entire encounter.

    It’s almost like the media mob picks cases that are difficult to have a happy end. In this way the politicians can continue to rape the black community and the 75% out of wedlock birth rate can go unaddressed. Also, the top killer of black people in this country is abortion, done by their own mothers. Sad.

      • Ten years ago my sister was gang raped by blacks in a middle of the night home invasion.

        Nobody in the media cared. Nobody cares. If you are willing to defend a criminal like Aubrey, you are part on the problem.

        My family’s life was destroyed by blacks. Anyone who defends this criminal disgusts me.

        • I’m willing to defend the rights of all Americans and that often means defending the worst of the worst to prevent a bad precedent become entrenched and used against everyone else in the future. This guy could be guilty of everything, or nothing; either way, its a very bad precedent to set if armed people can chase others down the street and shoot them for either trying defend themselves or run away.

          Its also a bad precedent to set to allow theft to go unchecked in a society. A high trust society is already weakened from mixing difference races and when theft isn’t caught and punished by the institutions established to prevent it or at least punish it after the fact, trust between the people and those institutions breaks down as well. Now people have to take time off from work, sleep, family, etc, to establish a neighborhood watch to protect their own communities. I’m pretty sure there is plenty of crime in the area, but the police won’t do anything about it so it looks like there is less on paper, keeping taxes and property values high. Same old, same old.

          The difference between your sister’s case and this case is that, as cold as it is, one is a statistic that happens every day; the other is a sensational, ratings getting, drama festival that pours gasoline on an already raging dumpster fire. To compound the matter, the MSM media doesn’t usually care about the welfare of White people, most Asian people, or “privileged” people. The media are part of the same crowd that wants us all replaced with low skill, low education, third world types which have a higher tolerance for corruption and are much easier to control. They are literally a means to an end for political power and the media is almost exclusively democrat (communist) controlled.

          Life and livelihood are about the only reasons to chase after a criminal since they are essentially slam dunk if if goes to court; everything else is too much legal liability. Irreplaceable equipment needed to support your family and a lawn gnome usually have two different legal weights, one is livelihood, the other is property. Chasing someone for stealing a disposable lawn chair, while legal, would be a pretty stupid thing to do. One could say they will just come back for more, well, they might; but it seems more like a symptom of a rotten police force. If the police are corrected, handing surveillance footage to the blue gang will should sort it out. This vigilante stuff probably came about because someone refused to do their job and tossed the whole theft thing in the trash bin.

          My $2.00

        • Your family, and especially your sister, have my sympathy. Certainly, there is vicious trash out there but no race has a monopoly on it.

          Do you remember the movie, Boys Don’t Cry? It was inspired by a real incident in southeastern Nebraska. A confused girl masqueraded as male and dated some girls. Two studs found out and raped her. After she got them charged for it, they murdered her and two friends who had given her shelter.

          In another case in Omaha, two white guys thought it would be fun to abduct, rape and murder a black girl. The case was solved only after one of the murderers turned himself in and implicated the other. Unfortunately, he suicided before the trial so the other one got off.

          An immigrant family from South America had a job making repairs in an Omaha church. Some other Hispanics thought there was money to be stolen. They tortured the father and then murdered the entire family. One of them turned himself in, pleaded guilty and testified against the others. They didn’t get off.

        • What difference does race make in your lie … oops … story? Would it have been ok if the rapists were white? Was what they did legal? Because if not, what corrective action would you request? I think you are full of shit.

        • I agree…

          Arbery was CAUGHT casing houses and stealing from a construction site by the two white men. Under their state’s laws, they were within their rights to effect a “citizen’s arrest”, having personally witnessed the “crimes” themselves.

          In fact, he was about 12 miles from where he lived.

          Aubrey was no “jogger”, wearing boots, not jogging shoes…he was up to no good.

          While I don’t condone his death, his arrogance got in the way. He could have ran in the opposite direction, avoiding the confrontation, but (like trayvon martin) decided to confront the armed men. Bad move…

          The white men WILL pay for their actions.

          “Bonfire of the Vanities”, anyone??

        • Liar. If true maybe she deserved it because of slavery. Maybe she deserved it because of systemic racism. I dont really care because they should have killed her. Having sex with white women is wrong. They should be sterilized so there are no more inbred police and news reporters. White accuse blacks of crimes they did not commit. Its a witch hunt. In terms of morality you are on the wrong side of justice. We know whites are racist and will always be a problem until they are exterminated. You never treated blacks fairly so now anything goes including cold blooded murder. Yeah seriously dont say blacks rape white women. Nobody wants wants to fuck members of the inferior white race. They are very ugly. We wouldnt let her live even if she tried to use sex as a bribe. Without plastic surgery to look like laci sommers or jessica weaver she is ordinary and worthless. She cant make black panthers so she is not seed worthy. Rape only happens when people associate with jews. Technically people who associate with jews are kicked out of the black race ask Louis Farrakhan.

          In the end it doesnt matter. Corona virus is killing all the whites for black people so defending racists is a hollow victory. After the whites/gays/asians/mexicans/traitors are all dead the only race will be straight blacks. So Im happy. The government is trting to exterminate whites and buying guns doesnt help. You are too stupid to defend yourself. Occasionally you shoot an unarmed black but that isnt the same as actually facing a real threat. The Seattle deputy mayor name is Sam Zimbabwe. Hes white. It speaks to 2.5 million whites murdered overnight. The real pronlem in Georgia isnt racists. They are already slated you conquer. The real problem is the gay blacks in Atlanta. They are sellouts and kicked out of the race. Being gay is another thing picked up from being influenced by either jews or whites. Best guess is he got raped in church by baptists since blacks dont do little league or cub scouts. Thats where jews turn out aryans to become gay for life.

        • You seem to be pretty dialed into the racist and gay lifestyle..
          You must be friends with Miner, I-B, and Chief Idiot.

  7. Two prosecutors read the case file and recognized the name of one of the people involved, recused themselves because they had worked with one of the subjects in the case, and referred the case to subsequent authority. In the meantime, the County Sheriff’s office decided to wait on a prosecutor to take the case before any action against a former peace officer and DA’s investigator. The Sheriff was clear the his office had made NO decision about charging (or not charging) the retired DA’s investigator and his son.

    The father and son may – or may not – have killed the runner because he was “black.” The cell phone clip is NOT clear about what happened behind the truck. The inconclusive evidence does not give the press the unfettered right to lie about the known facts!

    • The third DA doesn’t want to charge either, he wants to send it to a jury. That’s right, a jury, when he knows the court system can’t do that right now.

      This is normal in that part of America. I’m glad I will never live in those areas. I like living in a mixed community where racism/supremacy is hard to create.

        • How is it racist to want to live with all races? How is it racist to want to be around African people, European people and Asian people in a single community? These areas exist in a place without white supremacy.

          You need to travel, sir.

        • If you need an explanation for why defining people in terms of their race is racist, you need to cut back of the meth commie.

        • @pwrserge

          The comment you are commenting on does not mention colors. I mention the origin of the different peoples around the world. I included all ethnicities.

          Scientists have shown there are 3 groups of modern human based on evolution via environmental factors. That means Jewish people are European. That means “Native Americans” are Asian.

          I have a mixed family because I live in a mixed land. How can I be racist against my own blood? We unite on culture not skin tone. I have no want to create an ethno state. I like diversity.

          You are the man from commie land who hates Africans.

      • There are statements about the thin blue line closing ranks to protect the brotherhood. In this case the DA referred to case to a grand jury so they couldn’t be responsible for indicting a fellow “good ol’ boy”.

        • No, the previous two prosecutors, who recused themselves, referred the case to other prosecutors because they did NOT want to violate Georgia, and federal, law when there is an obvious conflict of interest due to having worked with the individuals under investigation. That is following the law!

  8. Trayvon Martin was a drugged up teenage scum/thug. That was a justifiable shoot. He was living with his father because his mother could no longer handle him.

  9. Who took the cell phone video? And, what made that person think starting to record was a good idea (or, put another way, that something noteworthy was going to happen)?

    No, I’m not looking for a conspiracy – I’m honestly curious.

    • The news reported that a neighbor named ‘Roddy’ Bryan took the video. They did not site a reason why he felt the need to follow and record the event. The police have now questioned him and, last I saw, stated they haven’t decided whether to charge him or not. He supposedly stated he released the video because he wanted to clear up conflicting stories and bad information about the shooting. I’ve seen the video a dozen times and I can see where this didn’t clear up anything. It can easily be interpreted to go either way.

      • People in the area were saying Bryant helped the McMichaels lynch Arbery. He and his family were getting death threats. He claims he lost his job because of it. So part of the video was released to “clear” things up.

        Bryant doesn’t want some non white person to kill his ass for partaking in the events.

        • Wouldn’t that be a sad irony if the guys that Chief Commie falsely accuse of ‘lynching’ a thug got lynched..

        • @Hydguy

          Lynch: verb (used with object)

          1. to put to death, especially by hanging, by mob action and without legal authority.

          They put him to death without legal authority using a firearm. Hence the “modern lynching” phrase being used.

        • Lol!! Do whatever you need to twist it to align with your thought process..
          There was no mob, there was no hanging,
          It was 2 people chasing down a suspected criminal who was ‘jogging’ in boots 12 miles from where he lived..
          But keep spewing your stupidity.
          It’s what you commies do best.

    • According to what his lawyer said, he was on his lawn and saw the guy running, someone he didn’t know, and being chased by someone he did know and recognize. He jumped in his car and followed as well and recorded it. If he is just an innocent witness or not, I don’t know, but there is a lot of conflicting information. The fact that he talked at length to cops without an attorney present was a pretty dumb move.

      The mob now wants him charged too with murder, among other things. He claimed releasing the video would prove the two guys not guilty. I can only speculate that it was done under the notion that the police would try and lynch the two vigilantes if he didn’t get the video out immediately or draw a lot of attention to the matter.

      He has since lost his job and received tons of threats over the matter, despite only filming the incident.

      • It was reported he tried to use his truck to stop Arbery. He can be charged for partaking. He will be used as a key witness after the police threaten to charge him with murder. He will accept the deal of no charges to testify against his buddies.

        The video was put out because the killing was dividing the community and Bryant wanted to be looked at as an innocent man that happened to be there.

        The lawyers and GBI are very smart people. The governor doesn’t want this to hurt Republicans. They are going to make a deal.

        • Hadn’t thought of this angle, some have asked why he “attacked” the poor armed and murderous crackers instead of just avoiding. Maybe because a second truck was behind him, leaving no way out? I’ll believe a deal when I see it, I think they’re gonna hang. And I do not see how this could possibly “hurt” Republicans, or Democrats either one. Hopefully this will make us all look down on killers.

  10. I don’t believe race had anything to do with the “cover up” though it obviously WAS the motive for the attack.. The elder McMichaels had a working relationship with District Attorney Jackie Johnson as an investigator for her office, and even after cops on the scene told her they had probable cause to make an arrest she shut them down to protect her friend McMichael.. This is not a case of “FEAR” this is a case of hate, too many Liberals are trying to push the message that ALL whites fear black people and speaking as at least one white person nothing could be farther from the truth.. The majority of white people are NOT afraid of black people nor do they HATE them or wish them harm.. There is a small group of ignorant hate filled individuals raised by ignorant hate filled individuals of both colors who will NEVER accept the existence of the other, and the world turns….

    • i was at a birthday party for an 86yr old friend yesterday afternoon. there was a dark guy named will and a light guy named will. before black and white began being bandied about we settled on steel will and whipoorwill. i’m still not sure who was which but it was funny.
      this was on the 1600 block of juneway terrace. one block south on jonquil terr. there have been three murders this year.

      • somebody took a p. (whippoorwill).
        first, cut a hole in the ice. then place peas around the perimeter. when a polar bear comes by to take a pea, you kick him in the icehole. i would elaborate but i’m just not innuit.

      • That is near Gale Elementary School. The Area just west of there around Howard and Paulina was always called the Juneway Jungle. When my dad was a cabbie in the early 30s it was home to a couple of speakeasies and houses of ill repute. There used to be a classic pool hall on Paulina where I used to play. My dad wasn’t too thrilled when I went there.

  11. If this guy was shot by other blacks this wouldn’t even make the news. The msm uses these stories as a dog whistle to whip the sjw brigade into a frenzy and make their convictions in the court of social media.

    It’s funny to read all these virtue signaling comments of white gun owners reminding us all that they’re not racist…..

    It’s funny how one day we’re talking about “due process” and the next day we’re banging the “social justice” drum cause we don’t wanta be accused of “wrong think….”

    • not sure how much murder footage gets recorded but it certainly doesn’t seem to be leaked often.

    • There was no due process of law. It was covered up twice, for months, by buddies of the McMichaels. This has to be settled in a court of law, not explained away by a corrupt white woman who worked with a McMichael for many years.

      When there is a homicide it is considered unjustified until proven otherwise. This case had video evidence that was enough to demand charges. You can’t have a dead body laying in front of you, while you are holding a gun, then say, “Self defense, officer,” and get away with it.

      To court we go for peaceful justice. If not, there will be non peaceful justice.

        • They are getting their way. There are charges and a court case coming. That’s what they wanted, they finally got it. It took a video and outrage to get it because of the corruption with law enforcement.

      • Actually there WAS and IS due process of law. It is ongoing as we speak.
        The delays were mainly because a couple of people in the prosecutor’s office had to recuse themselves and hand it over to someone who didn’t KNOW or WORK with the guy. THAT IS SOP !!! Investigations do take some time ya know. Unless you rush to judgment as some assholes do.

        Hugh Glass, you are a complete and utter dipshit.

        Also, there was some belief that no crime was committed and that has YET TO BE SUBSTANTIATED. ALL the facts are NOT IN YET !!!
        So knock off the rush to lynch these two guys and smear the LEOS.

        • This happened months ago and the DAs wrote letters saying there shouldn’t be any charges. Three DA refused to press charges after going through the evidence. The governor had to send in the GBI and now they are looking into investigating the local authorities for corruption.

          There was no due process of law. There was a good ol’ boys club covering up for their friend. They even went to the crime scene. WTF!

  12. I think I’ll wait for more reliable info to come about before I make a assumption about this incident…
    M S M has a way of blowing incident’s out of proportion for that sensationalism effect that it has on people looking to point fingers,
    If not for the color of these people’ skins, it would just be another day in the neighborhood.

    • Nope. Because they are Trump supporters, NRA members, law enforcement, etc. They have every damn angle covered on this one. They can make any story out of it.

  13. I saw a report where one of the recused prosecutors said Arbery was indeed the thief. Also Arbery has had charges on him for assault, robbery and bringing a firearm to a school event. He was no angel and I wholeheartedly think he got what he deserved. You lead a life of crime it will catch up to you…
    Now that being said, I really should wait to judge until the trial finishes and all the facts are presented…but…

    • Even if he committed a crime a week ago, a day ago or even a couple of hours ago they had no legal authority to detain him. Private citizens cannot do a Terry Stop. If anything should make it clear that sworn officers are not the same as private citizens it’s this incident. Even if they had indisputable video evidence that this was the guy all they could legally do is call 911 and follow him at safe distance.

      The best you could say about Papa McMichaels is that he forgot he was no longer a police officer.

      • Correct, when they exited the vehicle with guns and ordered him to stop under threat of lethal weapons, they crossed a very bright line.

        I don’t know Georgia law, but armed unlawful detainment and/or attempted kidnapping are probably felonies, meaning felony murder charges are certainly possible.

        • Yeah… no. They saw him flee from a place he didn’t belong. This was hot pursuit of a residential burglar. They did nothing wrong the under Georgia statute unlawful detention requires confinement.

        • So if I see you “fleeing* a place I don’t think you belong you won’t have a problem with me shooting you? /Sarc

        • If I them proceed to try to grab your gun? Yes.

          Boomers really need to let go of their 1960s stereotypes. Not every black man shot by a white man is Emmett Till.

        • I didn’t realize it was “FUCK WITH BOOMERS DAY” and I didn’t get a card, a cake hell not even a fuckin’ cookie… Idea, why don’t you “Millennials” or whatever YOU identify as check YOUR stereotypes before you start trying to reeducate your elders, ’cause that dog ain’t gonna hunt anyway…

        • I will when you stop confirming them. There is zero evidence that this is some sort of lynching. At worst, it’s negligent homicide as you can’t prove a single illegal act on their part. There is no underlying crime you can stick a felony murder charge on.

        • Dumb Ukies don’t belong in my neighborhood. It’s shoot on sight. /SARC.

          Who needs false flaggers when we have Serge.

        • Yeah… That’s totally what happened… It’s not like we have the scumbag in question ON VIDEO breaking into a mostly finished home…

          Look at the site from outside. It looks like a finished building.

        • How is it burglary? Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not robbed.
          “That’s completely wrong. I’ve never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery,” he said..
          So any reports of them being justified due to the house being burglarized are wrong.
          These two decided to take the law into their own hands. With the result being a man is dead and their lives will never be the same. Was it really worth it?

          I know it is the NYT and some on here would not accept anything from them even if all they said was the sky is often blue.


        • Serge, I guess I’m missing something. Pray tell, what “place where he didn’t belong” did they supposedly see him “fleeing” from, and how do you know that? I haven’t seen any such information, suspect you’re making it up until you point out where your secret info comes from. You seem to have access to all manner of “video” which has not found it’s way to this site, or to the news, how is that? And, “not a single illegal act”??? They SHOT HIM DEAD!! Are you kidding me?

        • Shooting a man who tries to grab your gun when you’re trying to lawfully detain him is perfectly legal.

          Oh, and as for video… People said there was no video of him in that house too… how did that work out?

          This entire case is a bullshit setup job to try to get the racebaiters into the news cycle again and keep said cycle away from the fact that we just got documents released that could wind up with Piece of Schiff and O’bongo’bongo sharing a room at the graybar hotel

        • Mine: you should have stopped your screed at ‘I don’t know’, because you don’t know much of anything, aside from how to whine and cry.
          Still waiting for your proof of Nazi flags and nooses being all over the place in the Michigan protests.
          Good thing I’m not holding my breath waiting for you to provide any, since none exists.
          Stupid libtard.

        • Yeah… no. They saw him flee from a place he didn’t belong. This was hot pursuit of a residential burglar. They did nothing wrong the under Georgia statute unlawful detention requires confinement.”
          So in pwrserge world they have an obligation and a right to chase down someone fleeing from a place they decide he doesn’t belong. They also can whip out guns and the fleeing person is of course guilty and should comply with demands.

          I guess we don’t need cops, just armed dudes with ESP who have all the answers. They can decide who did what and why without any problems. And if they make mistakes well it’s the dead guys fault for not just submitting.

          Does that about sum it up?

          I hope pwrserge replies to this, curious how he rationalized it all

        • When your neighborhood has less than a dozen houses and you see the same mook in and out of a construction site, sometimes in the middle of the night, yeah… I think it’s safe to say that something illegal is going on. This thug’s death is on his own head. He charged a pair of armed men who were legally trying to detain him. Shotgun beats fist.

      • Badges give privileges and immunities. Doesn’t matter what the constitution says about that. Once you lose your badge you lose all that usefulness to the government like a soldier who didn’t re-up.

        • Yes, badges do give one certain benefits. But they in no way put one ABOVE the law or not subject to prosecution or lawsuits. Mainly they benefit from the organization they work for paying their legal fees and providing a mouthpiece for them. They NEVER DO NOT have to answer for their actions. A civilian has the same rights to enforce the laws but they better be certain that what they are doing is on the up and up ’cause the legal fees are ALL on them.

          One NEVER gives up their rights as citizens under the Constitution to act toward their own safety, security and self-defense.

      • Well, I’m glad the racism in America is over.

        “A virtual commencement ceremony at Oklahoma City University was disrupted by a message of hate from racist hackers who hijacked the online exercises meant to give graduates some semblance of the pomp and circumstance they missed out on due to the novel coronavirus pandemic, officials said.

        As the graduation was concluding on Saturday, racial slurs and a swastika appeared on the Zoom broadcast as African American graduate Jay Williams was delivering a prayer, saying, “Where there is hate, may we be agents of love.”

        At least they’re not blown up little girls in Sunday school…

        • Oh… noes… the mean trolls were mean to a bunch of overly sensitive snowflakes. Did you consider the possibility, that like 99.9% of all “hate crimes” no actual racists were involved. My money is on another Juicy Smouliet incident. Look for a pair of jacked Nigerians with hacking skills.

    • “Arbery has had charges on him for assault, robbery”

      I haven’t seen that, can you provide a source?

      I found the juve charge and the shoplifting case but no assault or robbery.

        • Just pointing out that you are being hypocritical, again. Or, do you want to tell us that you have never carried where it was prohibited by law.

        • I can tell you that I have 100% never carried somewhere that is prohibited by law. Why? Because I don’t need a felony record. Also, because until VERY recently, people in my state couldn’t cary at all.

        • I carried when it seemed like a good idea for 30 years before it was legal anywhere except in Vermont. Because it has always been legal in Vermont. Except it was legal everywhere due to 2A. But, hey, I carried in NYC around 2005, San Fran around 1985, driving all over the country from 1968 through today, if you think that’s bad fuck you. Several hundred thousand miles with a loaded gun within reach, over a period of 50-odd years, between accidents and tickets several LE became aware, never apologized nor made a fuss, and neither did they. Sounds to me like you’re a wuss. I also had many occasions to be pissed off at stupids and drunks, never shot a one of them.

        • So you were lying when you posted “ “Arbery has had charges on him for assault, robbery”.

          That’s just sad.

        • So you are in favor of the young man being charged with a crime for exercising his 2A rights?

          So the right to keep and bear arms does not apply to young black men, just white folk like you?

          You just can’t hide that racist love, can you?

        • Children don’t have 2A rights. He got charged as a juvenile when any of us would be doing 5-10 on state charges with another 10-20 on federal charges. So… yeah. I think charging a dumbass teenager who decided to bring a gat to school is appropriate.

      • I agree with Serge, its not worth losing your guns rights carrying in a prohibited area.
        For me its I know my luck, odds are that will be the one time I am searched or the weapon is detected.

        • If you’re concerned with losing your gun rights, you don’t have any gun rights. If I somehow lose my license, I will again carry illegally while I appeal. If they put me in prison, my kids will inherit more money eventually, when they let me out I will be carrying. I am retired, if you want to provide me with 3 hots and a cot plus free medical care drive yourself crazy. This shit is not going to happen, it costs too much, just IGNORE their crazy shit, I’ve been doing it for 50 years. They won’t even keep killers in jail.

  14. I have a radical solution; to determine if there is probable cause a grand jury should be convened, if they indict there should be a jury trial to determine if any crime can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Both sides could present evidence and constitutional rights would be extended to the accused. When someone is shot to death we should check it out, we owe it to our families.

    • One could not agree more, let us I have due process.

      The particular problem with this case is it that did not happen for almost 3 months, the prosecutors office covered up the case in order to protect their friends.

      It wasn’t until the accomplice’s video was leaked that the public found out and became outraged.

      Also, the police had told the victim’s mother that he died during the commission of a burglary, a lie made from whole cloth signaling other LE/prosecutorial misconduct may be present.

        • Again Serge, the owner of the property does not agree with you.

          Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not robbed.

          “That’s completely wrong. I’ve never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery,” he said.


        • Ken, it’s clear that Sergei doesn’t want any facts to interfere with his racism.

        • The fact that your only argument is to call your opponent “racist” tells us everything we need to know. You’re wrong. You know you’re wrong. Or you would come up with an actual argument rather than use an insult that means jack shit anymore. Being called a racist is now the equivalent of being called a “doodoohead” congratulations commie vermin.

        • “ The fact that your only argument is to call your opponent “racist”

          No Sergei, multiple commenters have posted links and info regarding the facts of the case, which are at odds with your description.

          He was not a burglary suspect, no burglary had occurred according to the property owner.
          But you don’t really care about the facts, you have already pre-judged the outcome. The very definition of prejudice. Thus, you’ve earned the title of racist.

  15. I have gone through well over a dozen articles about this, not counting the repeated stuff. If you throw out the second and third hand information and comments by political folks, Hollywood types and the usual SJWs, you still get sketchy evidence as to what really transpired.

    The fact is what matters here is what we learn from it and how we can prevent things like this in the future. I started concealed carrying legally back in the 1980s. When I did, I was told by a mentor, while it is important to learn to ‘run the gun’ and become proficient with it, it is just as important to understand the responsibility that comes with the right to carry. Laws to vary from state to state, but it is important we understand them else we cause a conundrum like this goat rodeo.

    Actions by both parties could have been better, but the McMichaels probably caused the brunt of it. I believe it will go down as Involuntary Manslaughter. The firearm discharged while their was a struggle for it, Travis may not have meant to pull the trigger. The type of shotgun was not mentioned anywhere but my guess is it is a semi–auto. Else it would have to be racked several times during he struggle.

    If you were Arbery, minding your own business (presumption of innocence), jogging down the street and you were confronted this way, how would you have responded? How would you have responded if armed and if you were unarmed. Seriously, what would a reasonable person think and do?

    This would not be in the news is it was white on white, black on white or black on black. It would be buried in section five of a four section newspaper. But it was white on black and now every SJW, liberal politician and half of the Hollywood elite wants to take our rights. We as a gun community need to better educate our members, especially the new ones (apparently the old ones) to ensure we don’t lose what we hold dear.

  16. Race may have played a part in this, I don’t know these people. However I see it as starting out as a ‘Territorial’ issue. Vague statements between neighbors about break-ins, the video of the ‘Other’ entering and looking at construction, running in the neighborhood. Self-appointed guardians who allegedly had a weapon stolen from an unlocked vehicle as their motivation in part, the other being protect the neighborhood from ‘the Other’.

    A perfect storm for a tragic outcome.

    • It’s as if they grew up in a culture of white supremacy where every black man is a “thug” and has no business in a white community. A place where a former cop can hunt you down and it will be covered up by their buddies.

      Non whites have nothing to worry about. It’s only delusions from crazy person like the DA said. Why would black men has PTSD living in the South? There is no such thing as white privilege nor is there a good ol’ boys club. These silly racist non whites just want to hate on the white man (along side his ex wife).

      • Oh, piss off with your racist bullshit. Do some research, discover who enslaved the black man, back 500 years ago, and who fought and killed and died to free the black man in America. Here’s a hint; Blacks were enslaved by other blacks during tribal warfare and then sold to the Europeans as an alternative to simply murdering them. They were freed by the courageous actions of white men willing to give their own lives in the effort. Your crap makes you sound like an idiot. One instance of nutbar crackers in a nation of 350 million and you want to make it sound like something more important than a crime.

    • @Chief

      Please understand that when I say the ‘Other’ I mean someone unknown to that neighborhood.
      The ‘Other’ could have been a white guy with long hair, dirty unmatched clothing, and pushing a shopping cart…as the homeless people do in the town I live in. I think the two self appointed guardians would have reacted the same way.
      I don’t outright suggest that Race did not play a part in this preventable situation, but I don’t personally know these people involved either.

  17. What the hell were these two Bubba’s thinking?
    The McMichael’s are exactly what anti-gunners picture when they push their anti gun BS!
    Thanks a lot you stupid a holes!

    • They were open carrying- which you boomers seem to love so much.

      This crazed criminal attacked a man with a shotgun, attempted to wrestle away the gun, and got shot in the process.

      Why are you not supporting the McMillans? Disgusting.

      • Boomers like concealed carry. They were taught by the NRA to support concealed carry licenses.

        It’s not “open carry” to have your gun in your hands while chasing someone.

        • It is according to GA statute and the riding DA. Sorry kiddo, the opinion letter of the riding DA stands as a legal argument until you can provide proof of some history of corruption by THAT DA AND the senior prosecutor who was consulted on the case.

          This isn’t the 1960s. Go check your calendar.

        • I love all these self-believed legal minds opining on here who haven’t got a fucking clue as to the LAW.
          Chief, you are a winner!

        • I love all these self-believed legal minds opining on here who haven’t got a fucking clue as to the LAW.
          Chief, you are a winner!

        • Chief Idiot: ‘Boomer’ is the effeminate cry of perpetually offended douchebags..
          That definition fits you to a ‘T’…

      • I do support the McMillans, they are relatives of my wife’s. OTOH, they have no place in this story, dunno why you brought them up.

    • Why can’t you boomers stop using racist slurs against people?

      The 1960s called, they want their stereotypes back.

  18. Beware the story that fits the narrative too closely, the initial telling is virtually always wrong with significant aspects with held. I wasn’t there so maybe it is this simple, but most things in life are not.

  19. Just a heads up. 60 minutes is doing an hit piece on evil “Ghost Guns” tonight. So grab your refreshments. Sit back and enjoy the show. Maybe clean your “Ghost Gun” while they trash it. This will make for some great discussions tomorrow for the Anti’s.
    Keep Your Powder Dry…
    As far as this article discussion goes: Ain’t my circus…Ain’t my monkeys. No race intended. Just Stupid people playing Stupid Games winning Stupid Prizes.

  20. No, this one was not about fear of a black man. Neither was Trayvon Martin. The former was a murder, the latter was self-defense.

  21. I think it is. They are an order of magnitude more violent than other races. The FBI crime stats don’t lie: 13% of the population commits 52% of the violent crime in the US.

    • Yeah, but that was not the case in the ’50s and ’60s, what has changed is the CULTURE, spurred on by the Dem party attempting to re-enslave the black man to keep themselves in power. Or has the story faded away about LBJ’s goals for the civil rights activities he pushed in the sixties, that “we’ll have the niggers voting Democrat for 200 years”. If we just had the sense to stay out of the drug business we would have so much less problem now. But a black man had a hard time making a living unless he sold drugs, then he was rich, that destroyed our nation, and has been used for decades now by lying assholes like Obama to get power by dividing the nation. Makes me sick.

      • It’s tough to say. Back in the day blacks were segregated. Their crime was their own problem and likely not reported as well as today. It was only when it spilled over into white society, like this case, that anyone cared.

  22. I would never chase someone running away unless I thought they had the pole trial to kill or rape someone. Let the police do it, if they lose them, oh well.

    As an aside, how many white old guys were/killed in New York City by young blacks and it’s still going on but never hits our MSM?

    Separate issues but I am tired of the MSM!

  23. False flagger who couldn’t even get their name right probably the same person calling himself the truth.

    • It’s not me. I don’t have a problem with Jews, believe in Jewish conspiracy theories or use (((echoes))) to highlight Jewish stuff.

    • Thank you. I watched the video and it added way more pieces to the puzzle. People who haven’t watched the video or read the DA’s letter are choosing to be ignorant.

        • WHAT? No 40 mile JOGS in full gear before breakfast? I guess it’s really not MY Marine Corps anymore…

        • Rucks? Yes. Jogs? No. Haven’t been since at least the early 2000s when I was in.

          It doesn’t make sense to destroy your Marine’s feet for no real reason. ICBs and Jungles aren’t designed for long distance running.

          Unit runs are done in skivies and gofasters.

        • Boots fell apart years ago, still have some fatigues in a closet that there is no way in hell I’ll ever fit in again. Nickname was zipper back them, Supposedly If I stood sideways and stuck out my tongue I looked like a zipper. I’m up to a 34 inch waist now so not near as thin as back then.

      • Boots and utes is/was a unit ‘moral building’ exercise.
        Running in Timberlands when fleeing a possible crime scene, not so much.
        And we didn’t do any boots and utes after I got to the Fleet. Way too busy doing my job.

    • And most people don’t wear steel caps when dog walking. I do because the weight helps tone my leg muscles, and I’ve had enough of thousand dollar vet bills from when my dog is attacked by other dogs roaming the streets unrestrained.

  24. He was not wearing Timberland boots in the shooting video or the surveillance video I have watched. Nor shorts below the knee.

    If you can point out the video where you observed this please do so.

  25. The other post on this incident here appears to have been removed. Did the trolls take over the comments?

  26. These guys went out and did something stupid, pretty plain and simple. If they thought he was a suspect in the robberies, why not call the police and show them your video evidence and let them decide? There was no reason for any involved including the deceased to be mixed up in all this. Self defense is one thing but vigilante justice is another. Bad judgement on the part of the father and son. I dont know if it was racially motivated or not but either way the two should both go to jail for initiating the encounter that resulted in a death at their hands to begin with. Their actions are wreckless at best and malicious at worst.

  27. Why was the confrontation filmed? I don’t understand the shooter’s point in doing this. Doesn’t seem like a defensive gun use. If you point a gun a someone sometimes the person who is being pointed at will not comply and fight back. Shooting someone for a property crime doesn’t usually hold up in the courts. This case needs a lengthy and by the book investigation. That being said, in my opinion, the shooter and his accomplices will probably do serious prison time.

    • Bryant filmed the shooting. He is the neighbor that witnessed Arbery enter the construction site for a few minutes and called the police to report the trespassing. Bryant witnessed the father see Arbery run past the McMichaels’ home and the father run inside to get his son and some guns, then jump in the truck to hunt down Arbery. Bryant decided to also jump in his vehicle, help chase Arbery and record the incident.

      I think Bryant will be used as a key witness to convict the McMichaels. He could be arrested and pressured into doing it because he assisted the McMichaels in attempting to stop Arbery by using his vehicle. Right now his lawyer is trying very hard to keep him from getting charged and to remain an unfortunate witness to a murder.

  28. Without getting into all of the other aspects of this incident, I was pleased to see that GA doesn’t have a so-called “Hate” crime law. Never understood the desire to punish the possible motive for a crime as opposed to the crime itself – other than for those wanting to get votes for supporting such laws. Heck, one could say they hated not having money as motive for robbing a bank. Punish the crime. The motive doesn’t matter. Other than possibly giving the feds another reason to get involved. My impression is that they infer an individual crime is against a class of people as opposed to an individual victim. Gonna list an entire class of people as the victim(s)? In this case, the suspects may or may not have something against all blacks – or maybe it was just this one victim based on what dad knew about his past behavior. Though the one transcript of the initial 911 call that describes the problem as being “There’s a black guy running down the street” doesn’t do the suspects any favors.

    • Hate crime laws are designed to create thought crimes. Similar to red flag laws. If you think wrongly you get punished.

    • Hate crime laws only go one way. When opportunity to charge certain people with hate crime laws has come up for some reason it doesn’t happen. That’s called Social Justice for those in the cheap seats.

  29. Back in the early 2000’s I lived in Brighton Mi. which is in a county that is about 95% white. So one day a black man is jogging through a neighborhood and gets the cops called on him. Turns out he was a State Police officer jogging on his lunch hour from the Brighton Post!

    • As is everything bad. Remember when they reported that democrat reps and senators gave permission for that guy to shoot up republicans playing baseball? Me either.

      • Or when Obama’s rhetoric supported the kidnaping and torture of a disabled 18yo white man by a bunch of BLM activists?

  30. I’ve clicked on a number of links to “The Video” and have yet to see the whole thing. Every version I’ve checked seems to be edited/clipped. Makes a person wonder.

  31. Let’s assume this was couple of raving racists killing a guy for running while black. (But then why would they try to talk to him if they wanted to murder him, instead of simply shooting him as they drove by?)

    The very fact that this case is so newsworthy proves how rare such incidents are. In the meantime, just last week 70 (yes SEVENTY) people got shot in Chicago, 14 of them killed. Crickets…

    Black on white crime is several times higher than white on black, even not controlling for relative sizes of these demographic groups. Yet we see no uproar about racism against whites. Why almost all of widely publicized cases of racism turn out to be fakes, like the Jussie MAGA Country Smallett’s fairy tale? If racism fuelled violence was so wide spread as the mainstream media claims, there would be no need to invent more cases.

    Just because you saw a white crow, it doesn’t mean we live in time of white crows.

    • This case is very significant. People don’t recognized that now, maybe in the future they will.

      This is the first time something more akin to a lynching has been caught on camera and uploaded for the world. And it’s the first time both sides are in major agreement that this was wrong. There are people saying it brings up memories of Trayvon because of the bullet points. However, the Trayvon case had a clear divide between Democrat and Republicans. Even the EJ Bradford case (unfortunately) had a divide, that case is way more like this case. So did the Philando Castile case.

      Even the Jewish/Korean, once very proud communist, Chicago born and raised Tim pool is angry that Democrats and Republicans are siding with each other on this shooting being very wrong. You know things are getting better when a communist, who claims to be South Korean, is enraged when black and white Americans joined together to say this is murder. When Republicans agree with Democrats…

      This is a huge turn of events in American history. The lawyers don’t want to touch it. The police don’t want to touch it. The NRA doesn’t want to touch it. Not even Trump wants to touch it. They are less stressed about the events because they still got the COVID situation…

      Distract with COVID… Come on now! Don’t let the Americans join together… Hurry!

      • Yeah… Whatever you’re taking commie. Halve the dosage, you’re starting to hear voices that aren’t there.

      • The jury is not in, the verdict is not out and the fat lady has yet to sing, Chief moron.
        There is NO ‘agreement’ by any intelligent, non-bigoted, non-racist, fair-minded folks out here as to any crime being committed.
        There is only the voicing of opinions, by the intelligent at least, as to what may or may not have occurred and as to the just or unjust, stupid or smart, actions taken hear.

        What we have here is there is DISAGREEMENT, fool, even on the part of those whose job we have made it to determine what crimes may have been committed

  32. Damn, everybody has it out for black folks, police, armed citizens, covid-19. I hear covid-19 has been responsible for more hate crimes in the past month then the total hate crimes for the previous century.

  33. Do you just assume than anyone that says something you don’t like is from a generation you hate? I have been reading these blogs and comments for six years or so and I’d guess that more of the people you are hating on are Gen X than Boomers. BTW, enjoy the titanic and insurmountable public debt that your own and the previous four generations have saddled you with – you are truly f*cked:-)

    • It’s only a debt if repayment can be forced. More likely, what’s going to happen is that all those leeches will be thrown out on the street when the tax payers get fed up with having to pay for their shit.

  34. It’s a shame the author and some commenters here already know exactly what took place and all circumstances pertaining thereto. However they seem to be severely lacking in knowledge of the laws of the state of Georgia. Until all facts are presented I will withhold my opinion of whether these men are guilty and of what crimes, at this point it will be difficult for them to get a fair hearing and they will be endangered the rest of their lives. If they do get a fair trial are found guilty then certainly they should pay the penalty required by the state. Neither emotions nor political influence should determine this outcome though. I usually read TTAG because there are some decent reviews of firearms. Now they’re posting assumptions based on what the msm is telling them to believe. And yes, there are thousands of instances of horrific crimes of rape, brutality and murder perpetrated against whites by blacks every year yet there are no public cries of outrage, no sensationalised media coverage 24/7, no riots or protests or calls for justice for the poor victims of these crimes. But I would just like to say that white lives matter too.

    • Yes, there is outrage when white people get murdered, especially if the person that murdered them was brown.

      You are seeing only what you want to see so you can argue with the “other.” You want the media to also treat black on white crimes the same race baiting way they treat white on black crimes. You want to fight about race, but you want the fight to be fair. Hence your comment about “white lives matter too.”

      But of course you will say you don’t see color.

      • Project much commie? The reality is that white on black crime is virtually non-existent. A black man is ten times more likely to kill a white man than the other way around. I wonder how loud you were shouting about the #BLMkidnapping? The heaviest sentence handed down in that case was a mere 8 years for the kidnapping and torture of a disabled white boy.

        • You are the communist, white supremacist, from Russia trying to get Americans to fight each other and stay divided.

          You have been exposed a long time ago. Stay out of American politics. Go deal with your regions problems.

        • I do not think Serge is a commie. In fact I suspect you really just raised his blood pressure as I think he really does hate communist. If I was raised as he was I probably would too. I do feel he is damaging gun rights with quite a few of his postings.

        • Ooooh… Now I’ve graduated to “white supremacist” ok commie… Try an insult that I give a shit about.

      • Remember the media outrage when a white couple was kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered by black people? Me either. Why is that? Agenda. About the only thing the media gleefully reported on was a group of racist northerners (yes northerners) that came down to TN to protest. They love highlighting those Nazi fools. It’s funny how they ignore the left leanings of American Nazis and National Socialists. They want the elimination of polluting energy and public control of certain industries. That sounds super right wing, doesn’t it?

        That is what happens when your reporting depends on the agenda rather than the facts. I say call out evil regardless of skin color.


      • Lol!!
        Please post a day by day msm led campaign where they were outraged by the brutal assault, or killing of a white person by black assailants.
        A full week of MSM outrage will suffice.
        Let’s go back 15 years.
        I’ll wait (forever, as there are none) for your links..

  35. Do we know the whole story or is the media covering up the victims background. It’s the same story every time black football star gets shot. In reality the alter boy, football star or boy Scout has a long lengthy history of burglaries. Ok they shouldn’t be playing police, well where I live it was quiet, now we are getting a rash of burglaries. Maybe if the police could do their job without political correctness In the way shit like this wouldn’t happen. Its ok to label all the police as bad, but take a look at who committed mist of the crimes that’s a problem self created.

    • So he was going for a stroll prior to entering the house, then decided to go for a jog, excuse me, I mean a sprint after leaving said house. Interesting. Presumption of innocence works both ways, which includes this young practicing home inspector. Confronting him with a shotgun was still stupid. It doesn’t look like murder, especially if the first shot was fired after the fitness enthusiast grabbed for the shotgun. Maybe manslaughter? Either way, it wasn’t a lynching as the typical race-baiters are pushing. BTW, I’m not mocking this young man, I’m mocking the agenda driven storytellers.

  36. I have to ask Dan why did you re-post this drivel from the New yanker? and this Jelani Cobb who’s own examples are full blown BS…..he was just examining a gun for sale at walmart…when the video CLEARLY shows the guy acting like a nutter in a corner of the store with the ‘gun’
    and then the Travon shit…let not get into that pile of lies

    I ask again why do you even post this and give the guy more ‘airtime’ for his BS….????????????????????????

    • I post this here because it’s important to know what all sides are saying about this and other gun-related issues. There are plenty of echo chamber sites where you can read only the opinions you’ll agree with.

      I don’t agree with Mr Cobb, but if our highlighting opinions that you don’t like makes you uncomfortable, you’re probably in the wrong place.

  37. “Nobody” on this site knows exactly WHAT happened here or WHY it happened the way it did, so how about taking a walk and allow your blood pressure to go down and comment only about what you “KNOW”. Some of these comments are not well thought out and some are really stupid or even ignorant so please do not put yourselves in these categories.

    • Here’s one that’s been thought out. Many of us Clinton voters (_both_ Clintons) now own & have trained for our firearms because of people like these whose moms dropped them on their heads when giving birth.

      • Good for you! Let us know when you figure out what you’re gonna do when one of your heroes gets in office again and orders you to hand over your guns. That’s right, once again you’ll be unarmed, and I won’t.

  38. As is usual with these type of shootings we don’t have all the facts which will come out at the trial. There are probably many things we don’t yet know. But people start giving their opinions based on the little that comes out in the media. It looks to me that writers like Jelani Cobb just want to spread the racist anti-gun rhetoric b.s. and paint all gun owners as racist killers just looking for a chance to gun down others be they black, white, hispanic. I also saw LeBron James screaming that blacks are hunted every time they walk out the door. Just more b.s. from racists trying to divide us by race. They always pick out a rare occurrence to push their agenda and never want to wait for the facts which most of the time don’t support what they’re saying so they aren’t interested in them. I’m no expert but from the little I’ve seen it looks like to me these men violated many of rules that are taught by experts. I think many of us wouldn’t have handled it they way they did. Lets hope they didn’t have other motives. All gun owners regardless of sex and race need to be aware of our actions and work together to keep our 2A rights.

  39. Not sure about murder…manslaughter more likely
    assuming the intent was to stop and hold for cops … only they knew/know for sure
    hard to argue self defense when you are the one holding the gun on an unarmed person in the first place
    better to call the cops, follow the guy…
    but easy to armchair quarterback
    let the courts decide at this point

    • Do you honestly think the cops would even bother responding? I had a motorcycle stolen out of my garage a few years back. Took the cops three hours to show up. They didn’t bother with the surveillance video that showed the guy’s face. Never even got my own copy of the incident report because the cops were too lazy to write it up.

      Cops are only useful for occasional emergency response and the carting away of dead bodies.

    • Not certain but if you were just holding the gun and not pointing it and the guy went to take it from you, you would then be in a self-defense situation.
      We don’t know the WHOLE of the story here, do we?

  40. The virtue signalling is thick here. Arbery was NOT jogging 10 miles from his home in Timbalands. It took 74 days because the shooter broke no GA law(s), Arbery likely induced at least one shot that struck him while attempting the disarm. Remember, it’s an election year.

  41. I can not resist the urge to refute this drivel with facts.


    The FBI Supplementary Homicide Report s document the fact that a white person is three times as likely to be killed by a black person than a black person is to be killed by a white person. The only statistical argument that one might make is that because the homicide rate committed by Blacks is 8 times the rate committed by whites, Blacks who commit murder are less likely to kill a victim of another race than Whites. I’m not certain that this is a flattering argument.

    This being said, these two vermin are guilty of murder. The evidence that they presumed that an innocent man was guilty of a crime because he is black makes the murder even more reprehensible.

    Fry them.

      • What’s the penalty for assault and attempted murder? Because that’s what you’re doing when you grab for my gun.

        • Strand outside of your pickup truck with a shotgun pointed at someone is just an everyday thing for you?
          That’s not just brandishing, that’s on another level.

          Try getting out of a vehicle with a gun in front of an armed person and you’ll be looking down a barrel.

          If Dad and Junior had called the police instead of playing cops and robbers they wouldn’t be in jail and there wouldn’t be a body.

      • It is so funny how some people just are too stupid to see the real issue of an event.

        The guy was NOT SHOT for any burglary, skin color, hairdo, style of clothes he wore, or any fuckin’ thing else. He was shot BECAUSE he tried to wrestle a man for his shotgun to use it to probably kill that man——-and HE LOST! Sorry about his luck but he was STUPID to try and take that gun, period.

        The justice system will, hopefully, be able to sort it all out based on ALL of the evidence, not just the tiny bits we have here and make the right call as to any crime committed by the two McMichaels.

        • The McMichels had not right to try to stop him several times with the truck then get out with a shotgun. They cannot claim self defense if they were the initiator of the conflict which it looks like they were.

        • Nice opinion but as worthless as mine.
          We shall see what’s what after the TRIAL BY JURY !!!!

  42. Arbery another loser Thug Poster Boy.

    I’m not convinced they will be convicted.

    1st Amendment, that’s my opinion.

    • Is that Boch’s brother?

      Of course the media is going to race bait. We all know that by now.

      Why are you trying to play into that by demanding more race baiting? You post that video to call for more race baiting to make if fair. Maybe you are not conscious about that, but that is what you are doing.

      Take events for what they are and find the information on your own. Stop your futile efforts to get corporations, who want communism, to do your bidding. Move on from the old world, we have the internet now, we have independence.

    • I heard that man is dead. It appears he shot two people and killed himself.

      Not much to talk about if he killed himself. He brought himself to justice.

  43. Randy Jones is exactly right. ”
    “I believe it is a reminder to all of us, if we want to keep this right, we need to exercise it as the founders intended. If crap like this happens, there will eventually be enough opposition to the Second Amendment that is will change, be heavily regulated or gone.”

  44. IMHO, the victim’s skin color was NOT the motivation for the McMichaels’ actions. Like any police officer(presently one or ex), their prior knowledge of and the current actions of Arbery definitely were; from what I can so far gather from the reportings.

    Some food for thought here people:
    1) Prior knowledge and actions = probable cause to question.
    2) Citizens have the right to question people. Although not always the smartest thing to do, but it is NOT unlawful to do so.
    3) Citizens have a right to make a citizen’s arrest.
    4) Citizens are not only the FINAL arbiter of the laws(as JURORS)that they make through their representatives(politicians), they also are the ENFORCERS of said laws, either themselves or through delegation to police officers they hire.
    5) The McMichaels’ had the right to stop and question this guy. Certainly, if they KNEW that he committed a crime they would even have had the right to DETAIN him.
    6) They had the right to be armed. However, displaying the arms right off the bat(but how do you conceal a shotgun?) may not be the wisest thing to do.
    7) Arbery attacked the guy with the shotgun first(not a smart thing to do at any time) and attempted to take the weapon, like thugs sometimes try to take a cop’s weapon. He DID NOT have any REASONABLE reason to do so from what we know. But perhaps his guilty conscious or perhaps fear triggered him(It did in the Brown/Wilson shooting case in Ferguson).
    8) At that point, it became a life or death struggle for both men. Arbery lost that battle. It appears that the gun was going off while both men had their hands on it in the struggle.
    The guy with the pistol never shot it.
    9) Was the trigger accidentally pulled because of the struggling or was it deliberately pulled by either guy?
    10) If the two guys with the guns were out to shoot this Arbery guy, would they just not have gone and done so right off the bat??????!!!
    11) LASTLY, what if the McMichaels’ were two plainclothes detectives confronting Arbery and this occurred????
    Granted this is a tough one and a JURY will, as always, be the FINAL arbiter as it should be. Not me, not you, not the cops, not some single race-baited judge, not some bigotted racist neighborhood lynch mob. AMEN!

    • So Joseph, lets say your car breaks down and you are wandering through a neighborhood looking for either a non existent phone booth or someone who can assist you. From out of nowhere 2 pickup trucks with armed men appear. Apparently someone who looked like you was seen peering in bedroom windows and several people have reported items stolen over the last week. (2, 5) With guns aimed at you they demand to know why you are here and why you were peeping in their windows. (1,3) Telling them it was not you does not work, they are convinced they have the right guy and at least one mutters why let the law handle this.
      You are fine with them being the judge, jury and when they decide it was you (4) executor ?
      They are citizens so by you that is allowed
      And since they were not (11) plaincloths why was that even mentioned?
      Hopefully they at least you bury you by a nice tree.

      If my argument sounds stupid so does the piece you posted.

      • Your comments are a fairy tale made up in your stupid mind.
        They do not even come close to what happened here.
        My opinions are based mainly on the FACTS here and on REASONABLE suppositions.

        What is CERTAIN for me is that I would not have attacked the guy with the shotgun. I would have jogged(RAN) my ass outta their———–FAST!

        You are just a STUPID moron with a dumbass imagination.

        • The two tried to stop him several times by trying to cut him off with the pick up truck, he ran around it and kept going. The last time the son was already out with a shotgun and that’s when he charged him.

          “The McMichaels’ had the right to stop and question this guy” No they do not have the right to stop someone. They are not cops, they cannot detain someone as a cop would and ask questions.

          The GA supreme court has also heard citizen arrest cases in the past 20 years and decided each time you cannot use force, certainly not significant force to detain someone in a citizens arrest.

        • “…..certainly not significant force to detain someone in a citizen’s arrest.”

          Whatever FORCE is reasonable and necessary in each particular incident.
          You can use the THREAT of lethal force in detaining someone at gunpoint. It is done by civilians and cops all the time.

          They were NOT ‘detaining’ him by shooting him. The shooting was a result of his attacking the gun holder. Which proved to be a fatal mistake on his part. He should have just kept on “jogging”, no?!

      • Per Joseph this was withing their rights since they were citizens

        2) Citizens have the right to question people. Although not always the smartest thing to do, but it is NOT unlawful to do so.
        3) Citizens have a right to make a citizen’s arrest.
        4) Citizens are not only the FINAL arbiter of the laws(as JURORS)that they make through their representatives(politicians), they also are the ENFORCERS of said laws, either themselves or through delegation to police officers they hire.
        5) The McMichaels’ had the right to stop and question this guy. Certainly, if they KNEW that he committed a crime they would even have had the right to DETAIN him.
        6) They had the right to be armed.

    • Lots of what it’s, maybes, and a pile of bad decisions. A jury will ponder this and review what the actual laws are, not what people think it right or wrong way to act.
      Firearms are a heavy responsibility. Best to be defending life on your property without any choice. These two had a lot of choices and chose badly.

  45. Why print this now when you don’t have a clue about anything. Wait till after the trial and at least you should know some of the story. I am glad they are going to have a trial because if it was murder that is against the law and they should got ojail for the rest of their lives. Being as how this is the US they will probably go to jail for 5 years for taking away 100% of somebody elses future but who knows, something we don’t know might come out and exonerate them. Until they have a trial and the facts come out how can you know, are you God or soething. Lets try them and if their guillty punish them, okay. Annd please don’t make t a slap on the wrist, they ended a presumably innocent mans life.

  46. Mr……BY DAN ZIMMERMAN |MAY 10, 2020 |237 COMMENTS
    I believe sir you are showing your own bias in this article. Sanctimonious BS. Somebody gave you a computer. And all of a sudden your full of judgement on others. Your just as bad as the idiot shooters. There I go being judgmental…..Must have rubbed off on me.

  47. NOT really a fan but The Yankee Marshall just posted a video saying how bad all you racist a-holes are by blaming the black man. For his own death. And he’s correct! On another note I’m watching(right now) 60Minutes hit piece about so-called ” ghost guns. What a load of chit…

      • I’m testing my first so called ‘ghost gun’ tomorrow at range since I’m off work. G19 from Polymer80. Fun projects. Also testing a G23 converted to .357sig (not sure I’m going to like .357, may put a comp on it and up to +P ..dunno yet.)

        I think all POTG/hobbyists should do/try one at least once just to gain knowledge. Especially before it gets shut down because of ‘muh tracking’ of serial numbers which I find of limited value IMHO.

      • “Are ghosts white or black? This is an important question.”

        Intriguing, indeed. I would expect to hear a lot of opinions about that question here. Maybe it needs further clarification-

        Are ghosts white or black? What about Spooks?

        • Ghosts are a light smoky grey apparition, there is no black or white in death, there are, however some “other worldly” beings that are sent by Satan to do his work, these are very old and tortured souls and many of them have taken the guise of Liberal (and Rino) politicians whose lifes work is to bring pain, suffering and torment to the world, they can be any age, sex, color, nationality or sexual orientation…. Spooks (slang for spies), can also come in all ages, colors, nationalities, sexes and sexual orientations….

    • White Liberal gun owners like the YM have never supported gun carry rights for law abiding blacks. If he really wants it help he can buy a Black Guns Matter T shirt. The YM and people like him changed seattle into the “San Francisco” of the north. White liberals are the “black death” that never goes away.

  48. I can’t know for sure what was in the mind of these two fat yahoos and whether they would have chased some white guy down because they thought he looked like a burglary suspect from well prior to the incident.

    But really, it doesn’t matter much to me if their idiocy was race-based or not. A crime’s a crime. More telling is how some people (not that many) seem to want to find any excuse to leap to their defense.

  49. Yes, this was a bad shoot and these two should die in prison. But that still doesn’t change the fact of the numbers 13% (actually even lower if you control for age and sex) and 50%.

  50. A whole lot of irrational logic being used here. How about we leave it up to the courts to decide whether they are criminals or heroes. While we all love guns (or we wouldn’t be here) we need to avoid supporting every person using a gun just because we own guns. We don’t know the whole story yet, so no one here can say whether they are criminals or not. However, justifying ever killing just because a gun was used is nonsense. I agree with those who said this conversation would be totally different if it were two black men killing a white man.

        • There are 2 (two) edit functions, (1) PROOFREAD, and correct before you hit the big red “POST COMMENT” button and (2) after posting there is a 5 (five) minute window to either delete or edit (or am I just special) works the same way on all my devices and across browsers…..

        • My browser doesn’t give me an option to edit after I post.
          And since this isn’t a thesis, or scientific research, I will have to live with the occasional misspelled word.
          But one thing I won’t be is a douchebag sack of crap like you, Chief Idiot, or Miner.

        • But one thing I won’t be is a douchebag sack of crap

          And then you proceed to act like a douchebag sack of crap…. How special… And if you don’t care about the occasional misspelled word then stop crying like a whiney little bitch about no edit function… Bye now… asshole..

        • hopefully you will live up to your word and STFU..

          Of course you do.. All of you douchebag liberals want to stifle free speech mainly because you are trying to engage in a gunfight with a dull penknife… GFY I’ll speak up whenever I feel the need and no anti first and second Amendment shithead like you can tell me or anyone else when and where we can make a comment… You did not upset anyone, In fact I was rather amused that after you put on your little bitch face and started whining about the lack of editing software and I merely offered a couple of suggestions to try to help, you came back with such a personal attack, if that is how you treat someone offering a suggestion to HELP you then you must be pure hell on your real enemies.. There are FREE (that’s the liberals favorite word, right?) “spell check” programs that work well here, but you would need to remove your head from your rectum to find one…. OBTW.. A DOUCHEBAG is an object (ONE WORD)

    • Well ‘Settle down and let the courts decide it’,
      I believe that is exactly what shall occur. But thanks for your suggesting the obvious.

      In the meantime, we can continue to opine on the matter. It is what we do!

  51. As I said previously I want to see more evidence. And video of a trespasser/ burglar is indeed more evidence. Also who put out the first video???

    Anything that Shaun “talcum X” King, is part of is poison for black people. The question is. Is this all just a Hoax? A set up to try and help the democrats stay in power?

    “Top 3 Reasons to Doubt the Ahmaud “Just a Jogger” Arbery Narrative”
    So is “Talcum X” responsible for this???

    Both criminal blacks and criminal white homosexuals have used the “fear factor”, to cover the crimes they commit. The real enablers are the others who make excuses for their bad behavior. Liberals, white or black, are the real problem creators in america today. Both are anti-civil rights.

    Mr. King, Talcum X, is a out of the closet gun grabber. He is a racist who has says blacks should not have guns.
    As I said before, there is not a single white liberal who has said in response to this video, that blacks should be carrying guns to protect themselves, from racist white people who they claim want to do them harm.

    These two guys still need to articulate why they shot someone after chasing him, unarmed, down the street.

    • He broke into a house, fled the scene then attacked them when asked to talk. Shooting him in the back should have been legal.

      • He walked through a house under construction that didn’t even have exterior doors. He didn’t break and enter and the person who owns the house under construction never filed a police report, isn’t pressing charges and said nothing was taken or damaged.

        • Ok… DDay, now you’re just plain making shit up. We have exterior pictures of the house. From outside, you can’t tell its under construction.

        • You sure as hell can tell it is “UNDER CONSTRUCTION” when you walk up close to it. AND FOR CERTAIN if you enter it, duuuuuhhhh!!!

  52. The black on white crime rate is approximately 27 times the reverse. Why is it this site isn’t posting 27 times as many stories of blacks murdering whites? There are a whole lot more examples and most have far more sympathetic victims and less muddy circumstances.

    They say the wages of sin is death. Well slavery is the original sin of the US.

    For fun go look up the names of the owners of the ships that brought the slaves here in the first place. You’ll notice it’s the same names as the owners of the media companies today ignoring black crime.
    O yea that’s right, were not allowed to talk about that, only whites are racist.

  53. Hey Miner 49, your tag leads me to believe you are a California LIB. Am I correct. ?

    “Georgia’s Citizen’s Arrest Law allows people to arrest anyone that they’ve witnessed committing a crime in their presence OR has immediate KNOWLEDGE of the crime, but attorneys around the state say that wasn’t the case in Ahmaud Arbery’s death.”

    There are all kinds of OPINIONS out there. Even amongst the so-called legal “EXPERTS” !!!

  54. Hey GS650G, if the two guys with guns were plain closed officers, what would be your take on this incident then?

    The problem arises when the suspect attacks the guy and grabs the shotgun. NO ONE was in danger of death until that occurred. The whole situation CHANGED at that point to a life and death situation, instigated by the suspect. Same as if he grabbed a cop’s gun. The technicality of “cop vs citizen” IMHO should not be an issue but I’m sure it will be.

    You see, the right and authority to enforce the law is an inherent RIGHT of all citizens. In fact, the process of enforcement has its ABSOLUTE and FINAL culmination in the carrying out of the law BY A JURY of CITIZENS !!!!
    We the People MAKE the laws and merely DELEGATE OUR duty of enforcing them to LEOS as a matter of community convenience. We never relinquish that duty. At least not until we let them take our Constitution and trash it. Then we will have an ABSOLUTE POLICE STATE! Bet you would love that, A?!

    This will all play out in COURT as it is supposed to, thank God.

    P.S. There are lesser crimes that a cop cannot arrest for unless they WITNESS it themselves.

    • if the two guys with guns were plain closed officers, ??

      You probably meant “plain cloTHed officers…. Right?

      • Yep! My bad. Good pick up there fella.

        And FYI there is this little pick up for you:
        “I don’t know about GA but in many States, trespassing on a construction site is a FELONY!
        And the McMichaels may have known he was in that house under construction, no?!
        “The misdemeanor can be elevated to a felony crime if the property being trespassed upon qualifies under Florida Criminal Statute 810.09 as a: Construction Site …”

        • True, most states consider trespassing on a construction site to be a felony…. I live in Fl and yes it is a felony here…

          You also stated ( And the McMichaels may have known he was in that house under construction, no?!) Key words “may have known”.. A plausible assumption, but I’ve not seen any information that points to their having direct knowledge that such an event occurred.. All I’ve seen/read indicates that they were acting on second hand knowledge and a black guy running through the neighborhood resembled the description they had been given of a perp… To be clear, I do not agree with what they did, I don’t think anyone has the right to arbitrarily pull a gun on someone or threaten someone with a gun unless they are acting in self defense or coming to the aid of another person who is not in a position to defend themselves… If a guy has “possibly” committed a crime that does not affect me or places another person in harms way take picture (everyone has a cell phone) and call 911…..

        • “…. but I’ve not seen any information that points to their having direct knowledge that such an event occurred.” And you are NOT the one investigating the case and privy to ALL of the evidence. Nor am I. We can only surmise.
          Nor do you have any knowledge that they DID NOT know. After all, another person was on the scene WATCHING the “jogger” rummaging through the house. Might he have alerted the McMichaels that this guy was in there? We don’t know any of this right? All we are doing is guessing.

          Take a picture—–call 911—- is what all the “let the cops handle it” types, in an hour when they get here, do, right.?

          They chose to ACT. Let’s see what the jury decides was correct, A?!

        • They chose to ACT. Let’s see what the jury decides was correct, A?!

          They chose to stick their noses where they did not belong… No ones life was in danger and it was NOT their property.. They chose to confront this guy, now he’s dead and regardless of what your “jury” decides the Government will bring hate crime charges against these geniuses AND they will make it stick (way lower bar than murder or manslaughter) and if that fails there is always the old “violation of his civil rights” either way they are screwed and I hope they still think it was worth when they are doing time in a Federal lock up….

        • Dream on with your lust for punishment while not having ALL of the evidence.
          You must be a Democrat lib. Y’all always CONVICT on accusations and NO conclusive evidence. Does Judge Kavanaugh ring any bells in that empty head of yours?

          Where do you come up with “HATE CRIME”? Just because he was black and they were white???? Man does that show just how damn IGNORANT you are.

        • Where do you come up with “HATE CRIME”? I didn’t COME UP with hate crime the DOJ came up with hate crime this morning when they announced they were considering charging Bozo I and Bozo II with a “HATE CRIME”… You are apparently NOT a liberal as I had earlier surmised, you are worse you act just like anyone would expect a white supremacist to act… You have (without benefit of facts) already exonerated these clowns and anyone who dares look at it any other way must be some moronic liberal.. Well I hate to break your bubble but I’m about as far from the left as one can get without entering the realm of anarchy… You are a one trick pony and your hatred for anyone that disagrees with you or call you out on your ignorance must be totally destroyed which is really pretty hard to do when no one actually gives a flying fuck about you or your opinions of them…

        • You are a typical lying POS LIB.

          Show me ONE comment I made saying these guys were innocent.

          They are INNOCENT till PROVEN guilty is what ALL of my comments contend, you lying scumbag LIB!

        • And there is this little tidbit to consider:
          The “jogger” was KNOWN to CARRY !!

          BRUNSWICK, Ga. – A quick acting police officer in Brunswick stopped a teenager with a loaded gun from entering a high school basketball game Tuesday night.

          Police arrested 19-year-old Ahmaud Marquez Avery (pictured below), who is not a student at Brunswick.

          “The man ran through the parking lot. I tried to get him to stop as well. He would not stop for us,” said Glynn County Schools Chief of Police, Rod Ellis. “We ended up chasing him to the back of the school were other officers helped us apprehend him.”

          Ellis said the .380 caliber semi-automatic handgun slipped out of the teen’s pants.

        • So he was an ADULT when he was caught and convicted, not a kid like others have repeatedly claimed..

        • Georgia is not Florida, I would think such a smart individual as you think you are would know that.
          So our laws do not apply. Or you one of those know it alls like they have up North that come down and try to tell the locals how they should be doing things?

          They do not have the same trespass on a construction site law as us but I’m thinking the part that would apply is

          (a) A person commits the offense of criminal trespass when he or she intentionally damages any property of another without consent of that other person and the damage thereto is $500.00 or less or knowingly and maliciously interferes with the possession or use of the property of another person without consent of that person.
          (d) A person who commits the offense of criminal trespass shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

          Larry English, the man who owns the house under construction, told The Washington Post that the structure was not robbed.

          “That’s completely wrong. I’ve never had a police report or anything stolen from my property, or any kind of robbery,” he said.

          Since it appears nothing was taken, the owner states nothing was taken there would be no crime involved.
          The father & son thought he was who had stolen a firearm several days before so they pursued him and after few tries managed to block his path.

          The situation quickly got out of control with the result of a death and 2 individuals who no matter how this works out will be worse off. Either in prison or bankrupt. Odds are their buddy will do anything to keep from being tied in with them.

          But to you and a few others the killing of a black is a cause for celebration isn’t it? Still got the klan robe in the back of your closet?

  55. With new video once again emerging,
    I now wonder if ttag works for the democrats. This isn’t the first time I’ve seen ttag write articles like this.

    He’s 20 miles from home, in kackis shorts. He aint a jogger.
    He trespassed into a house. Got caught..and then tried grabbing the gun of the arresting individual.

    • The “new” video is said not to be Arbery. The family denies it’s him, thus the video is not spreading. They admit they did catch him on video on the 23rd, the day of the shooting.

      Maybe certain people seem to think every black man looks the same?

      Let’s say it’s him. The owner said nothing was stolen from his property, he never called the police. If Arbery was going there once a week, he never stole anything, according to the owner.

      Why do the McMichaels care about black men trespassing at a construction site they don’t own that haven’t stolen anything and when the owner does not give a shit? Why do they attempt to make a “citizen’s arrest” for a non felony when they know it’s Arbery, have evidence of him and they already know where Arbery lives? Why do they refuse to call the police and file a report so the cops can go down to Arbery’s home and tell him if he goes on the property one more time he will get arrested for criminal trespass? Why didn’t the home owner do that instead of the McMichaels? Why is it the 3 white men who have no say about the property next door think it’s up to them to take out Arbery?

      If you are the owner and have video proof of a person trespassing on a construction site take it to the police to give him an official trespass or put up a sign saying no trespassing. If you have numerous videos of Arbery he could get in major trouble if he is still on parole, he wouldn’t come back if you tell him you will go to the police.

      The McMichaels already known Arbery for years. Why don’t they go to his house and tell him not to trespass on the property anymore? Maybe because they have no authority over the property? Or maybe it’s because they were after him for their handgun? The evidence says the McMichaels were after Arbery for the handgun they assumed he stole, they behaved as if he was armed, they touch his dead body as if he had their handgun, the report says they believed he had the handgun, Travis is the one who shot him and he is the owner of the handgun.

      Here is the worst part. If the McMichaels knew it was Arbery going over to the construction site (they do not own nor have power over) numerous times and decided to take up arms to chase him down for that extremely low level crime, this would make it premeditated and reckless! You don’t refuse to go to the police for them to issue a warrant or parole violation, so you can do it yourself with guns, be willing to use those guns on him and actually do.

      They had no lawful authority to leave their property with guns to chase down Arbery for trespassing on a property they don’t own. They became the felony criminals once they drove off their property, therefore, they forfeited their legal protections for a civilian’s arrest. After all, they claim they only wanted to talk with him.

      In what world do you take a long gun to “talk” to a person you believe is a felon on the run? In what world do you refuse to go to the house or the police when you have numerous pieces of evidence? In what world do you tell the police you thought he was armed because he stuck his hands in his shorts one day? In what world do you accuse him of stealing your gun and go after him armed to have a chat about it?

      These men are guilty. The more evidence that comes out the worse it is for the shooter and his father.

      Worst case for Arbery is he visits a construction site to look around and hang out. According to the owner, he never stole nor damaged the property. He wasn’t “casing” the home to commit burglary, that is a made up story from people that want him to be guilty to justify the homicide.

      The evidence shows this had to go to court to be settled properly, which means the 3 DAs are corrupt. There has to be a DOJ investigation into this community, the FBI has to go poking around. It’s looking very bad for law enforcement in that area.

    • I heard he lives 2 miles from the construction site or 12-20 minutes away. It’s not okay to dox the mother, but not doing so is allowing people to make up a story that he was on a 24-40 miles “jog.”

      If he did live 20 miles away, who the heck can run a 5 minute mile the entire length? I could run a 5 minute mile, I used to run a few in a roll, I am not running that speed the entire 20 miles, I will walk or slow down significantly. You have to be a super athlete to run a 5 minute mile for entire length of a marathon.

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