Among the many items found by investigator in Stephen Paddock’s Mandalay Bay hotel room after the murderer committed suicide: a piece of paper with numbers the shooter had written down.
A note with numbers written on it was found in Paddock’s room, a source close to the investigation told CNN on Friday. The New York Times reported that authorities are trying to analyze the meaning, but Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department didn’t elaborate on whether they are significant or not.
Now investigators believe the numbers were ballistic calculations Paddock had done to improve the accuracy of his shots on the concert crowd below.
A law enforcement official says investigators believe a note found in the Las Vegas shooter’s hotel room contained a series of numbers that helped him calculate more precise shots.
The official says Saturday that the numbers found on a note on a nightstand included the distance between the high-rise hotel room that Stephen Paddock was using as a perch and the concert the victims were attending.
So Paddock took the time to calculate distance and bullet drop in order to be more precise…and then used at least one of twelve bump-fire equipped rifles which are notoriously inaccurate.
According to CNN, he also likely intended to use tracer ammunition.
Paddock tried to buy tracer ammunition at a gun show in the Phoenix area in recent weeks, a law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told CNN.
Paddock bought other ammunition at the show, but he couldn’t obtain the tracer ammunition — bullets with a pyrotechnic charge that, when the round is fired, leaves an illuminated trace of its path — because the vendor didn’t have any to sell, the official said.
Had Paddock acquired and used tracers during the attack, that might have given away his position to law enforcement before the gunfire tripped the in-room smoke detector, which directed a security guard to investigate. According to reports, Paddock shot himself after firing 200 rounds at the security guard as the unarmed guard approached the room.
Can’t we take this out on his brother?
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Wow. I guess you’d prefer we’d go back to the days where we judged people upon who their father was.
His father was a convicted bank robber and diagnosed psychopath that spent time on the FBI 10 Most Wanted List.
You don’t have to go to the other side of the globe for the East India Company and a private military. All you have to do is look into America about 135 years ago and you’ll find steel companies railroads and coal mining companies all employed their own heavily armed private armies.The Pinkerton detective agency, is one example.
And coal mining companies even employed a private Air Force to bomb their own employees in the 1920s.
Sometimes these private militaries were deployed against the commercial competition as well.
It is not always “our” government which is staved off by an armed citizenry. Japan flatly rejected an invasion of mainland US in WWII because they knew the US citizens were well-armed and feared they could not devote the forces to suppress the population and still push into the mainland.
The more important point that is being lost in all of the hullabaloo is this: the left is screaming that Russia (not China although they’re massively more equipped to do so, but only Russia for some reason) interfered in our last election because it was somehow to their advantage to do so. Nevermind that China could easily have arranged it so that the activities merely looked like they originated in Russia. Begone, violator of the narrative!
How is it that not one mainstream media source is even raising the point that massive propaganda directed toward disarming the People of the United States would provide a direct advantage to Russia, China, heck, even North Korea, all of whom would be giggling themselves silly if they actually convinced the stupid left to disarm the leader of the free world.
Australia is already the poster child for a hostile acquisition: no nukes, no armed citizenry, no meaningful ability to defend itself at all. The Aussies appear to be counting entirely upon the strength of… the ocean or something to defend themselves. Or maybe they think Uncle Sam will decide to sacrifice his children to protect the unarmed Land Down Under. Sooner or later, they’ll be conquered and it won’t be pretty. It will be sooner if the US disarms because then we’re next.
Let’s try to show some sense of history, of political reality, and of the fact that the US has a lot of enemies who want nothing more than to see us fall flat on our faces in a pit of acid. Can we all agree that we should try to avoid helping our enemies do that please?
Strange about the tracers, as they’re readily available via mail order. A simple Ammoseek search turns up 21 options for 5.56 NATO, for instance.
He may have had a lot of guns, but this villain apparently wasn’t a “gun guy” in the sense one usually means the phrase.
I’m open to correction, but it sounds like he was doing his transactions in person and in full gray man style.
California wildlife officers rockin’ Springfield Armory M1As? How bout that.
“Conservation officers say the charges are the result of an extensive investigation conducted over the past three years.”
A three year investigation for baiting? Baiting??? Lesson learned — don’t feed the King’s deer.
The world has indeed gone totally freakin’ nuts.
What the elitist yellow scribblers don’t want to talk about is the hordes of supporters/sympathizers that gathered outside Waco, Ruby Ridge, and the more recent Bundy Ranch or those that supported them nationwide.
And don’t be fooled, the ivory-towered ones want “registration” so they can engage in “confiscation” and if you think it can’t happen just look at how the DACA/DREAMERS are shaking in fear now that the system they signed up for to get benefits can be turned around and used against them because an election went the other way. And don’t think the courts will help us, litigation takes years and tons of money, the elected scum know this and will strike with both Criminal and Civil systems and bury us in appeals.
Remember Sol Alinsky’s principle in Rules For Radicals:
When negotiating demand 100% of something, accept a 1/3 the first time, come back a second time and demand the remaining 66%, accept a 1/3 again as a compromise then come back for the third time and get the last 33%.
There is NO compromising with our opposition, they don’t bargain honestly and always have hidden ulterior motives. No matter what we agree to they, the Antis, will be back, they will NEVER be satisfied until we are disarmed and that IS their ultimate goal. We shouldn’t be surrendering on anything, not Bump-Stocks, not so-called “high”/”large” capacity magazines, NOTHING, we should instead be focused on restoring and expanding our 2nd Amendment Rights.
this whole thing sounds more and more fishy by the day. the brother swore up and down that he had no interest in guns and didn’t know much about them. then we learn he has 40+ firearms worth up to $50k in some estimates. he had high end scopes, bipods, extended mags and things your common person with “no interest in guns” would know nothing about. now on top of it all we learn he went through the trouble to calculate ballistic coefficients, but then used a bump fire stock which would have made them worthless? none of this makes sense
If you take into account the idea that the brothers maybe didn’t really interact all that often and the living brother is just taking center stage to keep the cameras away from the rest of the family, quite a bit of things start making sense… he’s clearly a bonehead making up things on the spot – rather than saying “I don’t know” he tries to fill in the blanks to prevent the media from harassing the rest of the family.
I’ve got a sister living less than an hour away but we only see each other 2-3 times a year and *barely* catch up when we do. At any given time, I’d be guessing as to if she’s still with the guy shes been dating for years, still at the same job, still at the same address, etc. We don’t hate each other or anything of the sort… we’ve just never been that close. If anything ever happened to her in a way where the media wanted to hound my family, I’d probably be doing the same thing to prevent my parents from being harassed and I’m sure most other people would, as well.
TL;DR – the living brother is bullshitting us (for a reasonable reason) and he probably knew his brother marginally better than we all do.
Hopefully it said 5.56 minimum hold over 28.9″ at 415 Yards, wind drift 9-19″ @10 to 14 mph and energy of a 9mm upon impact.
There should be a site just for this type of content, free of liberal bullshit!
Wait, it’s as though there was a demand for a good and loyal customers demanded said good, and the backlash of denying said good was not a smart business decision.
It’s almost like capitalism works…strange.
Translation: We got scared, our customers got mad, we changed our minds, we sent a letter to cover our arse!
Yep.. Exactly!
Is it possible they were referring to a range card? Remember, were dealing with alot of people who still use the terms ‘assault weapon’ and ‘shoulder thing that goes up’, so lets not get too wrapped up in terminology yet.
According to the news, he was staying at the hotel prior to the shooting so he had plenty of time to determine his firing point, determine blind spots, and get a general pace count for the area.
When I was still in the Army, this was a standard tactic when it came to setting up a complex ambush, or defensive firing position. This would have been a pretty logical tactic considering his method of engagement (mass volume of fire concentrated on a mid range, area target), and he pretty much went by the book; set up defensive perimeter, establish fields of fire, prepare and deploy equipment, engage targets, egress when necessary.
Regardless of which is true, it shows that he was at the bare minimum, conscious of small unit tactics, or ballistics. For not being trained or into guns, the more we find out about this guy, the more by bullshit detector goes off.
Whew, I can get back to buying a $200, no $400, no, $600 slide fire stock, thanks guys!
These things are like retro Nintendos!
Still I don’t like the knee jerk reaction to “PR disasters,” this is like Academy hiding all their pmags and semi auto rifles after Orlando, bad enough to have the government, Dems, Republicans, media, Hollywood, Google wanting to ban all this and that related to the second amendment but I don’t like gunbroker, Brownells, Midway, and the NRA joining the pile on.
Paddock had several (at least three seen in photos) Daniels Defense DD5 V1 AR types in 7.62×51. These sell for around $3K each. I’m glad he didn’t uses those in any capacity… Unlike the 5.56mm, the 7.62 cartridge isn’t marginal at 500 yards. Firing a lot less rounds, the death total could have been substantially higher. Paddock had scopes on these, which probably means that he sighted them in at some point…
Sueing Remington for not unloading a firearm before entering a vehicle. I feel sorry for Jose’s loss on his daughter, I really do. I bet he wishes he would have forgot about, ” We might see one on the way back” , I’m just guessing, but the only time I’ve had a loaded rifle in the front seat was road hunting. … Two wemon arrested for baiting deer, and probably the Hunting outfit they were with too, I used to guide hunts, I could tell some story’s on what it takes to make a happy client. I’m glad they got caught. .. … Britain, hunting, guns,,,. NO.
Paddock, did a hell of a job stiring the shit pot. Just when we won the war of 94 , this asshole starts another one
Wish I had a slidefire stock to sell for these insane prices. Right after Sandy Hook, I was confident no ban would actually go through, so I sold a number of pmags for $60 each and got $1,100 for a WASR. No regrets, supply and demand. I replaced it all a year later for a fraction of that price.
They talked to their lawyers, the lawyers said write this email.
End of story.
See , I told you so…”The Deep State” has been busy this month…Still waiting for answers regarding the Vegas incident.. DON’T thing were going to get Any…
Stop voting in retards and this wouldn’t happen to begin with.
“…that’s an interesting word, because no thoughtful person can really argue that guns in the United States are actually regulated in any meaningful way.”
Good job attempting to frame the discussion. A strong tool for the weak debater.
Another uneducated person with a college degree talking and showing how stupid he really is.
The second amendment recognizes an American civilians right to own the same arms the the military has. You just have to buy your own armored tanks. You buy your own bomber or fighter aircraft, jets or props. These aircraft come with hard points for mounting guns, bombs.
You can buy navy vessels with torpedo and machine gun mounts.
You can own rocket launchers and the rockets that go with them. You can own anti tank artillery. And other artillery pieces as well.
Historically civilians had better weapons than the government or weapons of equal abilities.
The Indians had Winchester rifles before the US military did. General Custer found out the hard way.
The military was buying krag rifles ,while civilians were buying the Winchester rifle.
The definition of the word ‘regulate’ went off the rails in the early XX Century as Presidents Roosevelt and Wilson softened up the American public for expansive Federal control of the economy.
Someone please make a meme or gif of her saying nothing would help so we can paint the internet with it!
This 8 dimensional chess doesn’t pay the bills. The truth is, giving up anything is simply a one way ratchet where we always lose ground, never to claw it back. The way they will play it that we gave up something that should never had in the first place and they’ll figure there is plenty more where that came from.
Anyway, I hope this analysis is right and I’m wrong. I do think the ‘pressure to act now’ will abate over time. Therefore I think a stall and wait, while conceding nothing would have worked. As it is, I think the NRA just panicked and cracked the hatch open in the submarine.
It’s amazing how much knee-jerking is going on with bump-fire stocks.
I’m very skeptical of what really happened based on video of gunfire taking place at a lower window level at the Mandalay Bay and reports of gunfire on ground level.
The gunfire sounded a lot like a belt fed platform.
Don’t know if this has been said before or not so here goes….
Of f*cking course the NRA supports the NFA & machine gun laws. Look at how much even the cheapest old machine gun kit costs, you know the ones with hacked up receivers, barrels, and bolts. Plus the cost of the stamp and feeding the damn thing. That’s a not insignificant chunk of change, now there are likely quite a few owners in the NRA donating large sums of money. You abolish the NFA or repeal the Hughes and all of the sudden their HUGE investments lose a good bit of value because now us normal beer swilling rednecked citizens can actually save our pennies and buy a full auto before we have to give our machine gun fund to the local nursing home. Oh while we’re bringing down prices let’s get Mosins, SKS’s, M1 Carbines, and Mausers back down around 100-300 dollars.
NRA has 5.5 million members. No one doubts that. There were claims it was lower due to third class mailing records of magazines, but it turns out that method did not count pdf . Turns out most US organisations that have membership publications now send 30% to 50% by email only. I get my NRA mags by email
More to the point it has 58% approvals in the latest Gallup
That brings up another point. The claims that 32% or 42% of US households own firearms is so specious it is not funny. The Washington Post, NYT, LATimes etc have all have had articles about how any surveying done asking direct questions of if a person is gay, who has smoked dope etc are enormous and scientifically proven under-counts. The science, the peer reviewed well understood science, shows all privacy related questions asked directly will only count about half of the actual number. Yet when it comes it firearms ownership, the news outlets, all take the GSS (face to face interview with your name and address recorded showing 32% gun ownership) or even Gallup (by phone with your phone number associated with your answers showing 41`%) and without condition call that “gun ownership rate.”
The reason NRA has 58% approvals is this likely close to overall ownership rates. The fact that 63% of Americans say owning a firearm makes a household safer is also likely a reflection of true gun ownership rates.
A minority is trying to stigmatize, that is all. About five year ago in my kids informal neighborhood parents email list someone suggested getting the names of parents who own firearms and not having kids play there. One of the parents turned out to be a captain in the state police with a post grad from John Jay in Criminal Justice. He pointed out that the data show gun owners homes, if the person is not an illegal gun owner are as safe or safer. The real risk is persons with a criminal history domiciled in the home. As it turned out (and the fact that criminal records are public is good) the parent who asked to stigmatize gun owners had in their home a domestic parent with four arrests, including a felony. She went insane about “violation of her privacy” when it ended up getting leaked and her attempt to stigmatize rebounded onto her.
Make one in 357 Sig and I’m in.