New York legislators are set to exempt ex-cops from the SAFE Act’s unconstitutional provisions. Texans may scoff at Empire State politicians trampling on their residents’ natural, civil and Constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, but Lone Star state pols are no less guilty of enacting a two-tier legal framework for gun owners. To wit this from trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com: “Earlier this week, lawmakers added language into a bill that was designed to levy penalties for keeping guns out of public buildings where they should be allowed. The new language said the nine statewide elected officials and all 150 members of the Legislature who held concealed handgun licenses could carry their guns anywhere in Texas.” And then it got worse . . .
Under state law, CHL holders are prohibited from carrying guns into a handful of public places, including bars, sporting events, schools and federal buildings. Also excluded are privately-owned buildings that have a no-weapons sign posted.
When the bill author, Rep. Ryan Guillen, D-Rio Grande City, [above] came back with the bill, some of his colleagues were upset, including [Rep. Kenneth] Sheets.
Guillen took the bill into a conference committee with senators. It was reported back on Saturday, but instead the only major change was that more elected officials — this time Congress — was added to the exemption.
OK, hold it. Why should ANY politicians have ANY different treatment than ANY Texas taxpayer when it comes to exercising their gun rights? Ready?
Guillen said no members of Congress had requested the provision, but that he’s heard from many elected colleagues about numerous threats they’ve received and that the provision is meant to increase their safety.
Bullshit. More to the point, public servants packing heat should adhere to same laws that apply to their constituents. To suggest otherwise is to undermine the rule of law. And guess what? I’m not the only one who’s pissed off at these perfidious pols.
Sheets said he’s heard from plenty of people since The News first reported the provision.
“The news cycle over the past 48-hours has made it very clear that our constituents don’t like the notion of lawmakers giving themselves special privileges and putting ourselves in an elite class above our constituents,” Sheets said.
Once again, gun rights are not a right – left issue. It just looks that way. The struggle against gun control is a fight between individual liberty and government tyranny. Period.
More examples of elitist Hypocrisy!
& they wonder why they are being threatened… if they indeed are… not that I agree with that…
I live in Texas, and this bill just bit the dirt….even the Democraps were upset. Who the heck do the elists representation think they are?
These legislators push as many of these worthless bills as they can because they hope that one will make it out of dozens. This is why we have hundreds of thousands of worthless laws in this country, most of which are not even enforceable. When they get enough of one “genre” of laws passed then they can built a big all encompassing bill to cram down our throats, think Obozocare!
Moving huh? Can you say “out of the frying pan, into the fire?”
Self righteous bastards.
It appears that they are setting themselves up as targets given the anti- special rights sentiments going on in a lot of peoples minds these days. They decided to run for these offices as if they should be looked upon as being accorded special privileges. Got news for you guys…
Are you gonna blog or do something…..like VOTE.
Both.
With the likelihood of future government layoffs and many democrats losing elections, I wonder if they thought about the fact they will soon lose any special rights they gave themselves. Those dangers they speak about, if they really exist, aren’t going away just because they are no longer in government.
Government employees, civil service, elected or appointed, should be barred from possessing weapons of any kind. If you want to have power over citizens, then you should give up your basic human rights.
Bullshit. Cops should carry in the performance of duties, everyone else should carry in the performance of their lives. Hell, criminals carry in the performance of their duties no matter what laws get passed.
I already have involuntarily given up my rights. I’m a conservative high school teacher. Every county employee where I live with a CCW can carry in the government building where they work except for teachers who have a duty to protect the lives of their students. I get to protect your kid’s life with nothing more than a ball point pen. Feel safer now? Think your kids are really safe in the public schools? You ought to work there to find out for certain.
The youth of this country need you, whatever you do , don’t give up. The educational system has been corrupted by libs(Libs are not dems) who seek to turn our youth into nonthinking , nonquestioning workhorses. People such as you are the one’s who will save future generations from tyranny if the adults of today can defeat the enemies of freedom which we now fight.
RF is making the point so we _can_ vote these people out. Sadly, I can understand the irrational logic of what Guillen is trying, since he comes from the hot-bed of drug smuggling. However, if he thinks that this would in any way make him safer, it will actually make him more of a target, and another bad law of unintended consequences.
Didnt the guys at the Demolition Ranch Youtube channel set off a 9mm round with a bb gun? If memory serves correctly, a daisy red rider is a smidge slower than buckshot.
Few that we have seen at the range have had FTF between the 1000 and 2000 round count. Maybe just a particular batch – ammo mfg made no difference. They were certainly attention grabbers, thus alot of conversation.
One of the reasons we seem to need a “28th Amendment”:
Proposed 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution:
“Congress shall make no law that applies to the citizens of the United States that does not apply equally to the Senators and/or Representatives; and, Congress shall make no law that applies to the Senators and/or Representatives that does not apply equally to the citizens of the United States”.
Should have something in there about the POTUS as well.
28th should be the right of lawful self defense…when passed it will reduce government by 20%.
NO. The Second Amendment already affirms this. When legislators are reduced to writing laws and amendments to reaffirm existing ones, we’ve stepped in the deep doo-doo.
Republicans only support gun rights as long as it gives them an edge over democrats. There is not principle involved for them.
This is true.
The cost issues aren’t going to change..the idea that it will take a year to get the first permit issued is more than unacceptable, to the point that I would bet that CA-7 will chime in on that.
Having experienced large explosions during my service time and having the ringing ears to show for it I understand the desire to err on the side of caution. Is a shotgun round less likely to detonate an ammo dump than a 5.56? Fvck if I know. But it’s at least worth considering.
I was tossed on my azz by the shockwave by a big blast and scooped up my an overzealous team of medics and rushed for medical care. Other than being mostly deaf for a while and being in shock I didn’t have any real injuries. 1 guy was killed in the same blast.
Guillen said no members of Congress had requested the provision, but that he’s heard from many elected colleagues about numerous threats they’ve received and that the provision is meant to increase their safety.
Flatly put, if it increases safety for Congress-critters, it does so for the public as well, and therefore, restricting the public is intentionally endangering them. Why would a government official want to do that? (Rhetorical question, of course…)
I’m afraid that what Illinois citizens will get is a de facto “no issue” in Chicago and a 2A-friendly “may issue” in the Prairie State’s pro-gun areas. Much like the results in MA, where friendly communities are de facto “shall issue” while Boston is more like “you must be out of your f^cking mind” issue.
The answer to all of the questions above are “that is how Madigan wanted it to be”. Logic be damned, this is what he wanted and what he got.
This. I totally agree with most objections to this bill. Should have heard me when I first read it. NSFW.
But, it don’t matter.
This is the bill we could get the votes on. What is reasonable, what is fair, what is constitutional – none of that matters if you can’t get the bill through the Illinois General Assembly.
So all the posters eloquent arguments are so much mental masterbation unless he has the real goods on a couple dozen or so Illinois legislators. If you can’t produce the votes either, maybe hammering on Mr. Phelps just makes you look really stupid.
1) This is a concession to Chicago and Cook county, since this bill will repeal every Chicago and Cook county gun law. They requested a list of prohibited places – they got all of their prohibited places. The bill does entertain a bit of a “safe harbor” provision in that you can ‘carry’ your firearm in a prohibited parking lot in the immediate area of your car if doing so for the purpose of storing that firearm in your trunk (so long as the gun is unloaded before you exit the vehicle.)
2) Ostensibly so that the program is solvent – part of Phelps assurances to the legislature were that the CC bill would not draw any money from the general fund or add to Illinois’ budget crisis; it also serves to facilitate the state’s transition away from the FOID card system. The expectation is that with so many new gun owners applying, the funding is necessary to ensure that the processing takes place in a timely fashion.
3) More concessions to Cook county to make shall-issue more palatable.
4) This may well be true, but we have to remember who we are working with here. The House, Senate, and Governor’s mansion are all Democrat-controlled. The 7 member review board, FWIW, cannot have more than 4 members of either party. There is certainly risk that there will be HIPAA violations – but many in Illinois would prefer taking that risk to continuing to be denied their constitutional rights.
5) The time to issue the permit is largely concerned with the new implementation of concealed carry. The last thing the state wanted to do was open itself up to lawsuits when it fails to deliver the first batch of concealed carry applications within 60 days. They let themselves off the hook here, certainly, but the reasons were not necessarily malicious.
Regarding exemptions for military service – it would be nice – but is ultimately one of those things that proved contentious to the point of derailing the main bill. And while IL will not recognize reciprocity with any other states, part of the pitch of this bill to lawmakers is the fact that it has the “nation’s strictest training requirement.” On the upside, training you already have can be grandfathered in for up to 8 of the total 16 required hours of training – the downside being that nonresident permits will cost $300.
This bill is not designed to placate the public – it is designed to be a shall-issue concealed carry bill with enough restrictions to be palatable to enough Cook county Democrats to pass the House and Senate – while still complying with the 7th Circuit ruling. There are no ducks for the Chicago contingent to get in a row – Michael Madigan is on board with the shall-issue house bill with preemption, and the ball is now in Cullerton’s court. There were never enough legislators willing to go off of the June 9th cliff – so the question was always, how can we get a shall-issue bill to a supermajority? 2193 is the best answer to that question. It could have been may-issue. It could have carved out Cook county. But instead, we’re looking at one state, one shall-issue law. It is FAR from perfect.
But it is a step forward to protect the future of gun rights.
With regard to point #2, their fee is right at double what Florida’s is. Florida’s CWFL statutes are written to be revenue neutral, that is, fees for the licenses are deposited not to the general fund, but to a special fund earmarked for administering the system. Approximately a year ago, after running a surplus in that fund for two years in a row, they actually lowered the fee by $10, to its present level, which, as I said, is about half of what IL is going to charge for an in-state permit.
Maryland Also requires 16 Hours of training on there May Issue CCW permits. Although Maryland is attempting to join New York and New Jersey on the least free states in the country list.
Thanks
Robert
Anyone else out there reminded of Orson Welles in TOUCH OF EVIL?
“side note 2, the intentional or inadvertent release of this information to unauthorized parties opens up a Pandora’s box of litigation towards the state, especially if it violates HIPPA”
HIPPA ONLY pertains to healthcare professionals that bill electronically. Not the police. Not janitors. Not even healthcare providers that never use electronic billing.
Having said that, there are other patient privacy laws in place, but don’t confuse them for HIPPA.
As a former officer, I have no special privilege .
But I do believe that the vast majority of officers felt an obligation to step up and protect the people.
To make such a blanket statement denigrates all of us.
Now if you can provide data, police v citizenry I am most eager to listen to it!
From my experience, interactions with police simply depends on attitude… be nice, and the officers are usually nice back, even in somewhat severe situations. However, for some reason, I get the impression that some rarely come to work in a good mood; and they permeate authority and fear rather than harmony with the public. The few times I asked for directions to big city cops in the NE, I quickly learned not to.
These carve-outs are quite ironic, considering cops commit crimes at a rate higher than the general public, and at a rate MUCH higher than CCW holders.
Got it back from USFA. Came back upgraded with a box ov CCI Blazer 22LR (Can’t find any in my area.) which they recommended using. One of my 2 BX-1 mags that I fitted to the pistol worked perfecty. The other mag will get a little more TLC.
I accually got 10 rounds in a row a bunch of times.
The spring for lower vol ammo is in the ZIP. I tried my CCI Min Max ammo (I Have a few thousands on hand.) An empty shell casing not ejecting fully got jammed above the live round being loaded into the chamer and stopped the action. So all in all I can say it does work.
The perp was running away when the guy fired the last 2 rounds.
If I were to do that and was on video it would not go well for me.
ALL PATRIOTS TO ARMS!
Just like the U.S. Congress exempting themselves from the laws they create to entrap us like nobamacare! We live in a country of tyranny at the highest levels to the lowest levels of gubmint. The change we need is to get rid of them all and start over!
If Joe Biden was shot with a chocolate bullet, would Kool-aid leak out?
Saw something in, of all places a cowboy movie, that intrigued me. As the rider dismounted he had the holster and pistol in his crotch. As he walked away from the horse he moved the whole rig to his right hip. I carry IWB CrossBreed so that would not be feasible but it did give me a lot to think about.
I hope that guy is dead.
WTF! It is completely and otherwise totally wrong to exempt Congress! THEY REPRESENT US! Not the other way around. They should have to abide by the same CC laws as their constituents! To do otherwise is placing them above the rest of us. It states that ALL of us are granted the right to keep and bear arms. First, they want to take our guns away. Then, we have to ban magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, which includes quite a few semi-auto handguns too! Just because they come from “the factory” with magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Ok, so you give them exemptions. What happens when they are voted out of office? Do they get to keep their CCW? I think they shouldn’t have special treatment. That’s part of the problem in this country today. So many people feel they are “Entitled” to everything they’ve ever wanted, without reprisals. If they are going to be giving out exemptions, it should be to those people that are in place that could help others in a crisis, like teachers, principals, competent school officials. Do we really want to exempt people that already feel entitled by their position in government, not to mention the majority of whom drink alcohol on a daily basis? I sure as hell am not going to put my trust for my life and the lives of my family to people that don’t know me or really don’t care whether I live or die. They more concerned about being politically correct, re-election chances and their own crap going on in their lives.
James Madison in Federalist 57: “If Americans ‘shall ever be so debased as to tolerate a law not obligatory on the Legislature as well as on the people, the people will be prepared to tolerate anything but liberty.'”
If that bill is passed, good luck on getting fertilizer for the lawns and garden. And don’t forget pool chemicals and lubricating oils. And another highly explosive compound which can be bought by almost anyone in hundreds of outlets across most cities and thousands across any state without restriction (although some vendors may have an age restriction on the handling of the material). Every day millions of tonnes are transported on the roads, rail, sea, and even air transport posing a risk to millions of individuals. Smaller quantities are stored in most dwellings with absolutely no storage security. “Something must be done to protect the children”….
I am talking about gasoline, which is far more explosive than many propellants and many actual explosives.
“…the truth as a function of obfuscation, repression and control” in the same sight picture as the “New York Times”. That’s almost a Drudge-class juxtaposition.
The law is for RETIRED cops, not “ex-cops”, which could mean people who resigned or were fired. There is a huge difference. Then the writer says he has no evidence. He didn’t need to say anything more. End of story. But just for the record, cops are no more apt to commit crimes; it’s just that when they do it’s big news. It sells newspapers so it’s publicized more. Retired cops DO need exemption from the NYSafe Act, which is ridiculous on it’s face. Why, because retired cops frequently encounter people that they’ve put in jail, and alot of them want some payback. Being on the retired list doesn’t mean you’re out of danger. Additionally, retired cops are already trained and know the law, so if something very bad happens, they are in a position to take immediate action. As the saying goes, “when every second counts, the police are only minutes away”. As I said, I believe the law is stupid and unconstitutional. I don’t think there should be two (or three) classes of citizens. We should all be able to own (mis-named) assault rifles and hi-cap magazines. Deal with the criminals and nuts; don’t harass honest citizens!
In Texas it would be legal through and through…you can use deadly force to stop someone fleeing the scene of an aggravated robbery. Good shoot.
Put the numbers against ccw/chl crime rates. Seems someone posted here on the topic.
I posted this on the comments on YouTube:
Y’all did this entirely wrong.
1) Leave someone behind to watch the gun and prevent someone taking it.
2) The dad should have confronted “Butch” and used Parental Authority to confiscate it.
3) A cop should not have been needed unless the gun was an unknown element: not the man’s, and not anyone in the neighborhood’s. THEN you call the police and have them take the gun.
Poor video. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
They have spent hundreds of years getting “special privileges” Vote by vote bettering their situation and screw the people they are supposed to represent. Just look at their pensions and benefits. No private company would ever agree to such terms upon retirement.
How can they claim that the 2A only refers to muzzle loaders yet claim that we need to ban or severely limit citizens access to gun powder?
It’s most likely a new round the chinese invented that mimics the BMG rounds like the .50
Translation: “This one has trained to shoot at human shaped balloons since he was 4 years old. Whenever he misses a target we shoot a relative. It’s just like our gymnasts! We are a free and peaceful people. Go back to your Walmart and buy our stuff.”
I do not see how a human shaped balloon is terrifying on all levels considering humans are the intended targets.
Do archers shooting foam deer targets terrify you as well?
According to the article you linked the shooter appears to actually be one of the two dead? He killed one person, injured 5 more, and was then himself killed in a shootout if I’m reading the article correctly
BAN NORTH CAROLINIANS!
Wait…
Something does not look right in the video as far as what’s going on before shots are fired but I wasn’t there. Seems like the perp had the drop on the driver but never pulled the trigger.
What we need is a ban on shit parents and a background check on the rest. It’s pretty clear your parenting skills suck when you raise a mass murderer.
Thanks to all who have served and sacrificed, including families and loved ones.
So they see a gun, go to find adults, see “Butch the Bully” pick it up and run off, and then forget about it for what appears to be at least a day. Did they figure Butch would take care of it and decide to not tell anyone? That’s they only way the following situation could have happened.
Stupid all around and teaches kids to be ignorant. An educated kid would have picked up the revolver, safely cleared it, and taken it to their parents, instead we should teach our children to be helpless and have others do everything for them. That’s pretty consistent with the left-leaning lifestyle. I guess they want to teach ’em young.
Peanut M&M’s and Pop Rocks. A lethal combination.
If you make it through that dark and bitter night.
Dark and bitter night torn by the quick light.
If you come through that dark and bitter night to see that first gray light.
You will think, “What a beautiful day. A beautiful day in a terrible way.”
I hate to think what will happen when all these irresponsible cities go bankrupt and they’re no longer able to pay for their protection, I mean police…
That’s because it’s Washington where all FFL’s are required to report your information and the make and model of every pistol you own to the police for registration.
I’ve been told that Connecticut law enforcement officers are advised of gun ownership specifics when they call in motor vehicle stops.
I have shot 2800 rounds out of my sr40.
I havent had a problem out of it.havent had a jam or any malfunctions.
The trigger is gritty at first, but it is very smooth after acouple boxes.wouldn’t trade my sr40 for a glock, or any other pistol.I have found that mine favors pmc fmj ammo, and zombie killers.I have no prb shooting 3 inch groups at 20 to 25 yards.also each person is different when it comes to guns.caliber, weight, and action come into play with accuracy.for me a favor the sr40 over the high priced pistols.I think ruger hit a home run with the sr series.
“Like all gun grabbers Kelly can’t imagine himself in a situation where he successfully defends his life or the life of his loved ones with a gun.”
Here’s how gun-grabbers are like women: Solipsism.
The FBI recommends a minimum penetration of six Spam cans, so I’ll pass.
The horn sound from the 1″ barrel was comical.
If you guys want an understanding of what’s likely to happen because of this trial,read the chapter on Luis Alvarez in Roy Blacks book titled “Blacks Law”.
Long story short,the judge in that case bent the law because he didn’t want to incite a riot.Quoting from the book,a jurors wife was threatened by street thugs that if Alvarez was fount not guilty shed “have some problems.” The juror was not dismissed.
Black filed a motion to declare a mistrial once he discovered jurors were not properly sequestered.The motion was rejected.
Those are just two of the dodgy tricks the crooked bench and Miami city government pulled to try to railroad Alvarez into a prison cell for political convienence.
I hope the Florida TTAgers got their guns and ammo ready.
Not you,… them!
Any time politicians exempt themselves from some provision of a new law they are passing, you can be guaranteed that it’s going to screw you over. Once again, from a democrat of course.
The bottom line is that our elected officials be bound by the same laws as the governed. NO ONE is above the law!
The real bottom line is that ALL bureaucrats who have violated any portion of the Constitution need to be hung for treason and violating their oath of office.
Oh they are sly and the NRA has a money making provision in the bill as well, my my can the american people have been sold down the river any more. The goverment also gets to decide if a person is mentally defective. The government can an d will press charges if you legally own and have a concealed carry permit if you use you weapon to defend yourself or a loved one, ask George Zimmerman how it feels to be a law abiding citizen trying to protect his community and himself from street thugs which seem to have more rights than WE THE PEOPLE.