We’ll Just Leave This Right Here – Heard Recently At The Range Fun and Games by Dan Zimmerman | Nov 28, 2018 | 66 comments facebook twitter linkedin email courtesy Dixon Diaz, h/t Powerline.com Can you relate? comments Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 20:04 This is not funny. The crusty old guy at the gun counter was offering good advice. No one, absolutely no one, wants to sit in a jail cell and tell Igor and Tank he was shot by a woman with a pink gun. Reply Rokurota says: November 28, 2018 at 20:09 Humor. It is a difficult concept. Reply Anner says: November 28, 2018 at 20:15 I think Sam was two layers deep into the humor. I like it. Reply Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 20:16 “Humor. It is a difficult concept.” Humor is the last refuge of a scoundrel !! Reply Michael Stilinovich says: November 28, 2018 at 21:13 Sam I Am, Humor is the first step in seeing the truth….of what is real….. Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:20 “Sam, Humor is the first step in seeing the truth….of what is real…..” Thanks for the insight, however…. In my world, other people are just movie props, imaginings, cut-out characters. Which means that right now, I am writing to myself. Emmawright?? UpInArms says: November 28, 2018 at 21:23 well, according to Samuel Johnson, patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels. But… he’s dead, so maybe its time for a rewrite. Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:25 “But… he’s dead, so maybe its time for a rewrite.” Well, somebody’s gotta do it. This is my candidate. Michael Stilinovich says: November 28, 2018 at 21:40 Absolutely Sam, you are correct in the assumption…. Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:42 “Humor. It is a difficult concept.” Humor is the last refuge of a scoundrel !! “Absolutely Sam” My point, precisely. Dave in PTC Georgia says: November 28, 2018 at 20:55 I was browsing the “build it yourself AR-15” section of a LGS. I asked the counter guy to show me a particular AR upper, and then inquired about the manufacturer’s reputation for the barrel’s accuracy. He looked at me puzzled. So I asked him did the manufacturer state the approximate MOA to expect. He took on this amazingly condescending attitude and said “I don’t know anything about MOA, but accuracy depends on how good you are at shooting”. I found out later the store is known to have rotten customer service and lacking expertise in firearms. Reply Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:01 “I don’t know anything about MOA, but accuracy depends on how good you are at shooting”. There ya’ go. Now that’s funny. Reply TomC says: November 29, 2018 at 00:16 The saddest part is that the clown was right on both counts: 1) He didn’t know anything about MOA and 2) For the vast majority of rifles, accuracy IS a matter of how well you shoot because the vast majority of rifles are more accurate than the vast majority of shooters. DaveL says: November 29, 2018 at 05:34 I take that to mean “We don’t sell anything here worthy of a skilled marksman, so don’t ask.” ferret427 says: November 29, 2018 at 17:44 Although you asked about accuracy, what you wanted was precision. Precision is a function of the mechanical capability of the firearm/cartridge/sighting system, the goal being the smallest conical average spread possible at point of impact. Accuracy is the shooter’s ability/technique to zero the precision output of a system such that the point of aim matches the point of impact consistently. Sam I Am says: November 29, 2018 at 19:01 Accuracy tests have always fascinated. Seems that so long as a human in involved, one really does not know what the gun is capable of. Despite the mantra that “the gun is capable of better accuracy than the shooter behind it”, we don’t have tests that remove the human from the actual shooting. Are there tests that are conducted using only mechanical devices that can be evaluated as being able to reproduce, every time, the same pressures on the firearm firing mechanism? In other words, a measurable rig, with a reliable trigger release device that removes human error, and mechanical error as far as possible? That would seem the only way to really know what a gun is capable of regards precision/accuracy. Shallnot BeInfringed says: November 30, 2018 at 17:46 @ Sam, aren’t you describing a Ransom Rest? I know they’re not always perfect (some slippage with grip inserts that don’t match the grips closely enough), but that seems to be the most consistent and repeatable mechanical device currently available for accuracy testing. Sam I Am says: November 30, 2018 at 20:38 Ransom Rest may be sorta the idea. Does such a device use human or mechanical action to fire the gun? My mental picture (yes, I put that out there for comment), is a stripped down rifle, no stock, no fore end appliance, no optics. Only fire control and barrel, mounted in some manner that eliminates as much as possible, external conditions regarding the mounting of the hardware in a jig, then some sort of mechanical device to squeeze the trigger. (so that the results can be repeated, completely independent of human operation) Tim nottim says: November 28, 2018 at 21:59 The only way to hit what you’re shooting at is to aim at it! Reply Jeremy B. says: November 28, 2018 at 22:56 That’s a real gem of wisdom. I’m gong to tuck that away with MANY if the things my co-workers and customers said when I sold guns. raptor jesus says: November 29, 2018 at 10:12 Thanks John Madden Kendahl says: November 28, 2018 at 21:21 I’m thinking about replacing my current .357 with one that is more comfortable shooting magnum loads. A likely candidate is a 5.5″ Ruger Redhawk. I agree with the ladies. Reply Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:22 “A likely candidate is a 5.5″ Ruger Redhawk. ” Wait…..hold out for the 6.5 Creedmyth version. Reply Tim nottim says: November 28, 2018 at 22:01 I have the GP100 Match Champion with a 4.2” barrel. It shoots like a dream! Reply Roger says: November 29, 2018 at 06:47 I have a Wiley Clapp GP100. Shoots great. Magnum loads are no problem. Reply Erotic Vulture says: November 29, 2018 at 19:38 6″ GP100 here. Full power .357s feel so good to shoot I use it when I need a gentle palm massage. A Brit in TX says: November 29, 2018 at 11:06 I have the 5.5″ Redhawk in .44 Mag, it’s great but your hand knows when you’ve put 50 rounds through it!! I bet the .357 is way more comfortable to shoot. Reply Juice says: November 28, 2018 at 22:03 It isn’t the fact that it’s pink, it’s that it’s an AirLight in .357 mag. Hence, the line “I’d rather just hit my hand with a ball peen hammer.” She would probably happily carry a pink LC9s or Shield 9. Reply SoBe says: November 28, 2018 at 22:57 A lot easier to conceal than a ball peen hammer and last I checked ACE doesn’t have pink ball peen hammers. Either way, you will probably only get one shot at Bruno with either weapon, so the .357 wins as the most likely to incapacitate. Reply KenW says: November 29, 2018 at 08:58 I did a quick search. Did you know there are quite a few tools available in pink ? Found my brothers Christmas present while looking at a few. We normally buy each other horrible tee shirts and some sort of gag gift. This year he’s getting a black tee shirt with glow in the dark skeletons making whoopee all over it and a pink tool set with matching pink tool belt. Reply SoBe says: November 29, 2018 at 22:15 Yes, Home Depot and ACE have several collections in pink. Unfortunately, none that I saw featured a pink ball peen hammer. StLPro2A says: November 29, 2018 at 12:05 And, NO ONE will steal a pink gun!! 🙂 🙂 Reply Draven says: November 28, 2018 at 20:10 yes, and no one wants to shoot a .357 airweight, either. Reply GeorgiaBob says: November 28, 2018 at 20:15 yes, and no one wants to shoot a .357 airweight A SECOND TIME, either. (fixed it for you) Reply Porridgeweasel says: November 28, 2018 at 21:29 True. I shot one at the range that a guy next to me had. Once. I put the gun down, smiled and said, “Good luck with that.”. I went back to shooting my GP100 with 1200fps rounds. His friend shot one cylinder and only shot .22s after. Reply GS650G says: November 28, 2018 at 20:56 I worked for a guy who went into a gun shop and bought a 5 shot .38 on the advice of the gun shop clerk who convinced him everything else was just too complicated to use. I don’t work for him any longer. Reply Jon in CO says: November 28, 2018 at 21:06 My LGS is full of knowledgeable guys, it’s the ARtards coming in who give terrible advice to the other customers. Haven’t seen any guys I can remember behind a counter that have said anything too dumb, but I don’t frequent many different shops. Reply Gov. William J Le Petomane says: November 28, 2018 at 21:33 If it feels like hitting your hand with a ball peen hammer, imagine what it feels like to be on the other end. Reply Tim nottim says: November 28, 2018 at 22:04 In that scenario probably like a ball peen hammer. You know, Newton and his laws and stuff! Reply Gov. William J Le Petomane says: November 28, 2018 at 22:22 As I recall Newton’s laws of physics, that equal and opposite force must first exert itself on that air weight revolver before it can impose a force on your hand, and objects at rest resist being put into motion (just as objects in motion resist coming to a halt). So I’m guessing it feels like a bigger ball peen hammer. Only bloodier. Reply SoBe says: November 28, 2018 at 23:00 And with an expanding pointy end versus the hammer’s smooth rounded end. Gov. William J Le Petomane says: November 29, 2018 at 08:38 When you think about it, if you run someone through with a sword, there has to be an equal amount of pressure on your hand as there is on your victim’s torso. SoBe says: November 29, 2018 at 22:23 But, last time I ran someone through with a sword I made sure my hand was holding the fatter rounded end and that I was pushing the thinner skinny end into them. I remembered something my physics teacher had said about high heels and elephants. I cannot recall exactly since I was kind of like Beavis and Butthead then, huh, huh, huh…he said high heels. SoBe says: November 29, 2018 at 22:42 Do pink ball peen hammers come in 6.5 Creedmoor? RA-15 says: November 28, 2018 at 21:33 Find a good shop , one in the country that is small , been there for a good many years , with knowledgeable people. Preferably owner operated , you will be happy you did. I use one such shop , the only shop I need. The customer is allways right , if the clerk at your store doesn’t know moa , from aim , I’d say find an old timer in a shop like mine. Reply Jeremy B. says: November 28, 2018 at 23:00 Is the customer always right if they don’t know MOA from aim? Reply neiowa says: November 29, 2018 at 12:44 Discussion of MOA in gun circles is a pretty dang recent thing. I’d theorize started when the grinding on bolt vs AR for precision shootin became a thing around the cracker barrel. Reply Satcastro says: November 28, 2018 at 21:45 Where have you gone, Robert Farago? Reply Sam I Am says: November 28, 2018 at 21:46 “Where have you gone, Robert Farago?” Meeting with Mrs. Robinson? Reply Gov. William J Le Petomane says: November 28, 2018 at 22:02 Kukukachu to you, Mrs. Robinson. Jesus loves you more than you will know. Reply New Continental Army says: November 28, 2018 at 21:51 This sounds like the beginning of a TTAG sing along. Reply SoBe says: November 28, 2018 at 23:06 You are right, we need a TTAG sing along Canon/Round Song (ROFL) 😉 Reply CarlosT says: November 29, 2018 at 04:22 So he built The Truth About Cars, then sold it. Then The Truth About Guns, and sold that. The Truth About Knives happened, too, but I’m not sure what is going on with it. Maybe he’s hatching the next TTA site? The Truth About Cigars? Scotch? Laying on the couch? Reply New Continental Army says: November 29, 2018 at 07:21 The Truth About Retirement. Reply billy-bob says: November 29, 2018 at 09:31 The truth about good ham sammidges. Reply neiowa says: November 29, 2018 at 12:45 The Truth about Progs Reply bontai joe says: November 30, 2018 at 21:33 The Truth About chasing Israeli Supermodels while drinking 25 year old Bourbon and driving a vintage Maserati. Reply Chuck Barnett says: November 29, 2018 at 03:12 I have an S & W, M & P 640 revolver in .357 Mag with a 1.875 barrel. It is painful to shoot. You have to really hold on tight to get any accurate groups. But if I ever need to shoot a threatening target, I will rest easy that the target will be neutralized better than with some other lesser caliber. I hope I never need it, but if I do need it, it will save my life. Reply Juice says: November 29, 2018 at 11:59 Now imagine if it weighed half as much, and that’s the AirLite. Reply Southern Cross says: November 29, 2018 at 04:34 When you buy a Ruger No1 in 458 Win Mag, there is a reason why it came with most of a 20 round box of ammunition. Reply Chuck Barnett says: November 29, 2018 at 04:42 The rifle was pre-owned, and the seller could not tolerate the recoil, so the remainder of the box ammo was included. Reply Craig in IA says: November 29, 2018 at 07:43 Back to the origianl posting cartoon: If you do a little research into Dixon Diaz you may find that he was being entirely sacastic with this cartoon in response to the standard women’s magazine/TV template. Just sayin’… How a posting can morph into this thread is one of the wonders of the internet and non face-to-face communication. Reply Dan Zimmerman says: November 29, 2018 at 09:07 That’s Diaz’s cartoon, but we Photoshopped in the dialogue. Just FYI. Reply Craig in IA says: November 29, 2018 at 09:09 K- that makes sense too, somehow. Good to get the intelligent “dialogue” going Reply Ralph says: November 29, 2018 at 12:32 I’m very happy shooting full-on .357Mags from my 6″ S&W 586. I’m not happy shooting .38Spl+P from my S&W 642 Airweight, but I do it anyway. I’m overjoyed to never shoot .357Mags from an Airlight. Ever. Reply Scoutino says: November 29, 2018 at 20:36 .357 AirLite revolver will stop anybody. It will stop them training with it. Reply Write a Comment Cancel replyYour email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *Comment Name * Email * Website Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Notify me of new posts by email.