My favorite thing about this video is Biden’s speech claiming that “not one” thing in the proposed legislation would infringe on people’s second amendment rights. “This is not about anybody’s constitutional right to own a weapon” he says. Classic BS from the White House. It was a softball pitch to LaPierre, who swings and misses completely. Instead of immediately refuting the statement, talking about how the legislation would indeed infringe on U.S. citizens’ rights by banning common firearms, LaPierre goes into a speech about how the AR-15 is underpowered compared to “hunting rifles” and how the AWB didn’t work. It has nothing to do with the topic at hand, and David Gregory calls him on it. At which point LaPierre picks up the scent and gets back on track. It’s like herding cats with this guy, not even Ted Cruz can get him to connect on an obvious and simple set-up. He gets to the point eventually, and finishes strong, but I still think there might be a need to look into swapping him out.
I have a clear memory of running into Jim Carey at the top of a lift at Deer Valley, Utah in 2000. He was a fairly novice skier. He was accompanied by four Deer Valley Security and an instructor. Sure, we’re paranoid. He’s fine. A safer place than Deer Valley doesn’t exist.
Well, this offers up a question. Were you carrying that day?
He made have had a stroke a few years back? He doesn’t listen. He doesn’t think. He just, apparently, tries to remember one of his lines. Or so it seems to me.
We need to replace Wayne LaPierre ASAP.
I think the NRA intentionally puts up a mediocre fight. They are financially dependent on political threats to the 2nd Amendment. If they are too effective, then Wayne’s $900,000 salary is in jeopardy. It’s a conflict of interest.
And BTW, 40% of all donations go straight to fund raising.
I don’t understand why he’s still the default NRA spokesman. He’s had a good, long run, but I think it’s time he’s replaced by someone who can follow the topic of a conversation.
The NRA occasionally stops repeating their mindless lies about what rights are given to them by the 2nd Amendment, but this website never does.
Gun laws do not infringe on your 2nd Amendment rights, and guns are not explicitly protected by the Constitution. It is a sad sign of the times that even Biden has been so cowed by the NRA that he is willing to repeat these same talking points, even when the NRA falls off the wagon and actually tries to stick to the facts.
Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution: “The Congress shall have Power…To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;”
That is pretty clear.
Ah, we have a dirty, filthy, commie libtard rat (dave) on the forum. Your words are those of a traitor and/or fool. Go to your god (Big Gov) and stop trying to make your fellow citizen take a fake shower, only to huff Zyklon-B.
Yes, he does worship the state.
Did they run out of troll food at FoxNews?
umm, well, Dave, SCOTUS is also in on the big TTAG lie about the 2nd amendment so you better talk to them. They seem to think it confers the right to self defense, with a gun, in the home, and protects guns in common use. I would call Kagan and tell her 2A does not protect her hunting gun. good luck let me know how that goes.
DWB: I quoted from the DC v Heller decision above. LaPierre did not quote the same sections, but he must have read them.
“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”
Tell us how it DOESN’T infringe. All these weapons that are on the Ban list are Arms in the strictest sense of the term. The SCOTUS has determined the right to bear arms is an individual right as well. How is restricting what we can and cannot have in arms not infringing upon our rights (if we so choose to own them or not)?
Will, The Founding Fathers used to muster everyone in town who owned guns. Anyone who refused to fight in the revolution got their gun confiscated. Even people who fought got their gun registered.
The SCOTUS was aware of this infringement, and ruled that it was patriotic, but would have been unconstitutional (once the Constitution was written, of course.)
The SCOTUS ruled that gun owners have individual rights to their guns, but not unlimited rights to own any gun they want. Society still has a right to regulate, just not a right to deny.
Next on the list will be M-777, 155 mm howitzers.
These arguments that magazine limits are useless because the shooter can change out mags quickly strikes me as potentially harmful. I know you’re only responding to the anti’s “reasoning” for bans or limits but it gives ammo to expanded bans in the future. I would stick to the argument good guys shouldn’t be at a disadvantage to the bad guys and certainly not because the bad guys have done bad things with them. Also, that we should have weapons on or above par with those used by the police/military.
Mag limits are very harmful to the self defender. A mass shooter will prepare and have as many magazines on them as they can carry for rapid reloading (and as seen in CT they will have practiced). While you may have a spare mag in your bedside gunsafe you can’t deploy it rapidly unless there’s a lull in the action. The only effective ammo you have is that which is in the gun.
I missed the show. Did David Gregory wave any high powered automatic assault clips in front of the camera? Or just a bloody shirt.
Well done, sir. My hat is off to you.
Guess what? I have a fever! And the only prescription, is more guns.
LaPierre has to go. The NRA should have a representative of today’s shooters – not the shooters of the 1980’s.
He does not care he is making his $975,000 + extras a year.
So, let me get this straight. A group of people are saying that another group of people should not have access to certain weapons. And those who can not get access to those weapons are pissed off/paranoid/insulting others. Now we have it another way, that another group of people is saying that a different group of people should not have access to certain weapons. Both sound the same…because they are. Don’t be hypocrites.
It’s a bit different, isn’t it? We’re paying their salaries. I don’t think anyone here wants to dictate what someone can or can’t own as a private citizen. But police departments wasting my tax money on unnecessary garbage they don’t want us to own kind of pisses me off.
Way to miss the difference, Shawn.
Take R’s advice.
I think I have all of you beat. One range queen, an old Jennings .22 pistol I got from my grandmother.
Oh, I get it now. QUEEN. Something to be proud of. Nope. It’s just trash that I must hoard.
Whoa there, “After 100 rounds, the gun was filthy, yet running like the proverbial Timex.” Did you expect anything different from a quality gun? When I first got my Springfield Milspec I ran 100 rounds though it, swabbed the barrel and cleaned out the chamber and then the next time I ran 150 through. Didn’t even clean the barrel again until 500 rounds. Then I field stripped it for a cleaning for the 500 rounds or so. It shot fine and never missed a beat. I am not bad mouthing the SiG I just wonder if your expectations were formed from the performance of the RIA? You can fire hundreds of rounds though a modern automatic with no more cleaning that a quick barrel swab and a cursory cleaning of the chamber after a range session before the gun requires a full cleaning session. I have run 1100 rounds through my SiG 1911-22 fed on Golden Bullets without a major cleaning without any malfunctions.
Another argument to the VA Tech high capacity mag comment comes from the report from the review panel to the governor. On page 74 It says:
The panel also considered whether the previous
federal Assault Weapons Act of 1994 that banned
15-round magazines would have made a difference
in the April 16 incidents. The law lapsed
after 10 years, in October 2004, and had banned
clips or magazines with over 10 rounds. The
panel concluded that 10-round magazines that
were legal would have not made much difference
in the incident. Even pistols with rapid loaders
could have been about as deadly in this situation.
http://www.governor.virginia.gov/TempContent/techPanelReport-docs/FullReport.pdf
Good to hear some good news!
It’s a mixed bag. They back out of 7 round limits, the easiest part of the bill to undo, and you get a more complex legal battle. Still winnable but not so easily when the weakest link is tossed before it can compromise the rest of the chain.
Text for the 28th Amendment to the United States Constitution, aka TheTruthAboutGuns Amendment:
The militia of the National Guard of the United States, and all local, state, and federal law enforcement personnel operating within the United States of America and its territories, shall possess no weapons, ammunition, or related materials not also available to American civilians for legal purchase and private possession.
Is there anybody in NY with an AR that DOES NOT have it loaded with at least a 20 round mag?
Twenty rounds really is a number I could live with regarding offensive and defensive capabilities.
No deal – repeal!
Sure there are liberal gun owners. But when it comes down to it, they punch the voting ticket for the Democratic party, which hates your gun rights. Therefore, when push comes to shove, liberal gun owners, don’t give a damn about their gun rights. If they don’t own an AR 15, they don’t see why anyone would “NEED” an “assault rifle”. As long as nobody comes for their revolver or shotgun, they are cool with that.
Labels? You mean, NRA members, or TEA Party members or patriot group supporters, who are “more dangerous than muslim terrorist. You mean those labels?
Put it this way, Mr. Centrist! I am a ONE ISSUE VOTER! Michael Bane, (OUTDOOR TV and podcast guru), says it best! I like, him, pull the lever in the voting booth for GUNS every time. Where a candidate stands on GUNS is all I need to know about that person. You can say you will vote for who will represent your stand on city parks, state taxes, or the multitude of issues. We vote one issue, Guns! Because if those elected persons get peoples right to gun ownership and self defense, they also get that the 2nd amendment isn’t about duck hunting and RESPECT for the 2nd amendment and our REPUBLIC!
So, leave the Truth about Guns if you wish, your not worthy to call yourself one of us anyway. Mr. Centrist, you DON’T GET IT!
I have to admit, I just ordered one!
Germany’s first gun control laws were “common sense” where trustworthy individuals could own guns. When people who hate you make that decision it never ends well for your side.
Lets also not forget the Nazi’s used gun registries in countries they invaded to easily disarm the civilians. In Belgium, they would kill children in front of their parents until they turned their guns in.
Registration leads to confiscation which leads to genocide. It almost always ends up that way.
Wasp spray is an effective non-lethal defense. It sprays farther than many pepper stays.
However, responding with non-lethal force to a lethal threat is really a poor tactic.
In high school, Junior high, and elementary school, all the doors had a giant glass windows on them. And all the front doors to the school were just glass doors.
That’s probably the first thing that needs to change. Locks mean nothing when they can be defeated with a rock.
I remember getting a detention in high school because during a lockdown procedure I didn’t keep my feet hidden well enough apparently and my principal yelled at me. I told him straight to his face that he was an idiot for thinking that a locked door and not being able to see anyone means a shooter would move to the next room, and that if anything bad happened I planned on tossing my books through a window and running for the parking lot. He wrote me up for “threatening school property” and I spent an hour after school reading a book until my mom picked me up, asked me what I did, I told her, and she said good. Don’t be an idiot and wait to die.
Luckily school shootings are very rare, and that the bastards who do it usually eat their own bullets so they can’t share success stories and feel even more self important.
Also, I’m surprised TTAG didn’t mention the Chardon Ohio shooter wearing a shirt that said “Killer” under his clothes and then proceeded to mock the victims families after he was found guilty.
Once again, the law-abiding, crime victim is punished by the regulation not the criminal.
Thank you Foghorn!
Last night’s Dateline had a story on one of the FBI’s top 10 most wanted. The perp bought a .45 Glock a few days before committing his crime, and once the FBI had the suspect’s name, they instantly found out when and where he bought that gun. Whether that’s a state-specific system, or if the data is kept indefinitely, I have no idea. But it’s naive to think that anything other than a personal transfer will stay out of Big Brother’s computer systems.
I can’t even imagine carrying that for the rest of my life.
A bit of blame game is always in order, and this one is downright funny: http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2013/03/8528547/what-did-we-do-put-gun-their-head-says-bloomberg-team-cuomo
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