Yesterday (Friday) the Utah House of Representative passed House Bill 76 along party lines (51 – 17). [Click here for the text.] The legislation is now headed to the state Senate. If passed, the Beehive State would become a Constitutional Carry state; no paperwork or permit required to carry a legally owned firearm. With 22 Republican Senators vs. seven Democrats and a Republican Governor, this one looks to be a slam dunk. While there’s many a slip between the cup and the lip (e.g., will the hugely profitable out-of-state Utah permitting industry lobby against it?), Utah looks set to become the fifth state to have state-wide Constitutional Carry, joining Alaska, Arizona, Wyoming and Vermont. One steps backwards (New York’s SAFE Act), one step forward . . .
To my mind, it’s not owning a gun, or, how many, it is what you use them for. Seems he used one of his in, at least, an act of negligent homicide. But, the jury is still out.
We will regain our freedom and safety back, one big step at a time.
Congrats to all the Utah citizens.
Despite their patently insane theology (which makes Judeo-Christo-Muslims look sane by comparison) Mormons are very practical people. Good for them.
A theology that says we are just chemicals reacting in the brain calls other theologies “crazy”. There is no objective standard of “crazy” if we are just chemicals reacting. Regardless, Thank you Utah (and their crazy theology)
And it came to pass, that Joseph Smith regretted not hiring an editor.
Why is it that you’re giving Muhammad and Jesus passes? Just because they’re long dead charlatans (in comparison to Smith) doesn’t mean they still weren’t charlatans.
And flying horses, people raising from the dead and all that nonsense is just as wacky.
Furthermore, people are people. As long as they leave me out of their cult and don’t try force it on me through laws or whatever I don’t care.
Utah is doing the right thing so bravo to them.
I would say two steps forward personally. This is a little more than just loosening the reigns. Out of curiosity, why isnt Texas constitutional carry? As much good as everyone has to say about being a gun owner there, Im surprised. But, I also know very little about Texas
I LIVE in Texas and I’m wondering the same damn thing.
I live there too, and don’t know why either, but I’ll take a stab at it:
Austin is where all the liberals hang out and that’s where all the
politicianscriminals in suits gather also. Maybe that has something to do with it.When I told someone who lived there for awhile years ago that open carry wasn’t legal in Texas, he said, “Better tell the Texans that!”
So strange.
if you think this is bad, wait until the food and gas lines.
idiots…
Since I live on a gun-free campus, my options are limited, but I keep my Benchmade 530S on me at pretty all times. If I’m out at night, I’ll also keep a Surefire flashlight in my pocket.
That, and I’ve invested many years in learning how to fight. A fist won’t stop a bullet, but it’s better than being helpless.
Dat CR-21. Vektor FTW.
I have both the LH9C and LH9 – Around 300 rounds total down the pipe so far and it has been flawless. Very low recoil and reminds me a lot of my SIGP226 with a mix of 1911. Very ergonomic and feels amazing.
Im loving the tri-action as well, I never cared for the hard double-action pull. With a little practice I am asily able to draw, pull the trigger pop the gun into single-action easily…. Its not an accident waiting to happen in my eyes.
Some notes. This isn’t exactly true constitutional carry, it was watered down slightly at the last minute. Utah law previously allowed unlicensed open carry of an unloaded firearm (with state law defining unloaded as 2 actions away from firing, so for a semi-auto, loaded mag, no round in chamber). This law extends that to allow open or concealed carry of an unloaded firearm.
You still need a permit if you want to carry a loaded weapon, if you want to conceal carry other weapons such as a knife, or if you want to carry in school zones.
Still, progress.
I was just about to post this. I don’t think this really qualifies as constitutional carry because it has to be unloaded.
Why would anyone OC unloaded!? A lot of anti-OC people argue how the guy with the gun is the first target… might as well put a red coat on if you OC unloaded
Unloaded OC was already legal this has just allowed people to move it into their pants or under their jacket legally.
In Utah, “unloaded” has a somewhat peculiar meaning; the gun must be two actions away from firing. For semi-autos it means magazine loaded and inserted into gun, no round chambered (rack slide, pull trigger=2 actions), for revolvers, hammer down on loaded or empty chamber, next chamber empty (cock/pull trigger once on empty chamber, pull again on loaded chamber=2 actions).
Safe act was a step backwards. But the fed court handed us a big step forward by tearing the legs out from under the chicago machines lock on gun control in Ill. Utah going constitutional carry would be frosting on the cake.
And a permit process would still be viable in Utah. it serves the reciprocity agreements with other states.
In 2002 there were seven (7) No-issue states and only one (1) unrestricted state.
Today there are four (4) unrestricted states (soon to be five (5) ?) and only one (1) No-issue state.
This is great progress in less than ten (10) years.
Only forty-five (45) to go!!
from a search online: During the 2011 Legislature, the Texas House of Representatives passed a bill out of committee that would allow licensed concealed carry permit holders the option of carrying a firearm open or concealed. The bill did not make it to the floor for a vote of the entire House. In this session, as the debate over gun control rages on at the federal level, Representative George Lavender (R-Texarkana) and Representative Chris Paddie (R-Marshall) have introduced HB 700 to bring the debate forward again. This bill will certainly gather a lot of attention as it works its way through the 2013 Legislature. –
If passed will UT still issue CCW’s and non-rez CCW’s for those wanting to travel out of state or those that use a non-rez UT CCW?
Why even discuss these morons?
People who cannot exercise common sense and wonder why the public school system is fatally flawed!
Homeschool your kids and put them all out of work!
Is that the Cabela’s in Kyle, Texas or do they all look the same?
Constitutional carry, my ass. This only allows for permitless carry of an unloaded weapon.
Useless.
They are assoholic moronists…all.
I’ve been living in Utah for two years now, it’s surprising how much this state loves guns. My middle-class neighborhood is absolutely armed to the teeth. There’s probably more firepower on the block where I live than most cities where I’m from in California.
Of course, it’s not surprising when you consider the history. Mormon’s have a few instances of taking up arms against government militias and as far as I know Utah is the only territory to ever single-handily go to war with the U.S. government.
I think you can see a lot of that government mistrust even today.
Generalized Glick question:
Why is it that one may import a new gun with no manual safety – e.g. A Glock, but not an antique, such as a Tokarev?
Oh, yeah – never mind. I forgot there for a moment: bureaucratic stupidity.
:/
unlicensed unloaded concealed carry…I’m scratching my head but, ok…pass it.
the poor kid probably didnt even know what a gun is before, oh I bet he knows now. probably buys himself an NRA membership at 15 because of thise. what a bunch of morons.
In the past Cabelas has always treated me well – so it’s surprising to hear that they are canceling orders for no reason. To me this says that either 1) they have been told that there is NO ammo in the pipe for the far future or 2) they have such a backlog of ammo on order that it’s not worth the costs of keeping the back orders and fulfilling them. Probably a bean-counter decision.
Either way – by promising back orders they “took that customer off the market” and tied up their cash flow. A complete cancellation like this should be accompanied by some sort of compensation if they want to keep their customers.
What’s funny is liberal Mn has some pretty loose conceal/open carry laws compared to “gun freindly” states like Texas. Unfortunately it’s about all I really like about this state any more. That and a few good gun manufactures.
Now we know why the Pope quit. He saw that clip and said “WTF!”
A lot of folks are scratching their heads over how that damn SAFE Act passed. That thing is over the top even for New York.
Could it have been a deal Cuomo made with Obama? Ram through the SAFE Act and we’ll cut loose about 50 billion in Sandy aid and send it your way? There be some damning evidence out there…
I’ve heard over and over about how Cuomo is positioning himself for a run at the Chief Asshat position in ’16 and that’s why he did what he did. But, as usual, follow the money.
I verbally told them over the phone to remove me from their email list and I’ve replied to their emails to remove me from their lists. Still, I get their weekly harassment. CTD seems to be one of those firms that promises to remove you from their email SPAM weekly plus mailings yet fails to follow through. My guess is that it is probably intentional based on their business ethics which IMO stink.
Why doesn’t the teacher get suspended for wasting everyone’s time? Kid was obviously punished because he doesn’t share the teacher’s belief that all guns are evil, and making a pop tart in the image of a gun is just as evil – if that happened at all. Great teachers teach their students to think, bad ones think they have all the answers
Well at least we have Oliver North on our side with NRA-PVF.
BEYOND COMPROMISE? Has Mr. Diaz looked at the thousands of gun control laws on the books?
Beyond compromise? The 2nd Amendment is the most compromised part of the Constitution, and the result has been no improvement in crime stats and millions of law-abiding citizens have lost most of their gun rights.
Is Mr.Diaz always this out-of-touch with reality, or only when it applies to guns?
He doesn’t want to further compromise the 2nd Amendment. He wants to abolish it. He wants to eliminate our right to self-defense, and destruy our power to resist tyrannical government. He wants to abolish the 2nd Amendment, and we are not going to let that happen.
Why are liberals so ignorant of history?
Powder the lower jaws of the effing school official libtards with a ball-peen hammer.
When I was in grade school, lo those many years ago, I had a reputation for talking too much. I know that because my teachers told my parents “He talks too much.”
A few weeks ago, a friend’s six year old was sent home with his periodic progress report. Among other things, it said he demonstrated “below average verbal self-control.” I think that means he talks too much.
Constitutional Carry is the way to go.
If I’m good to buy a gun then it’s nobody’s business how or why I carry it. A recent bonus is that I’m immune to any chucklehead journalist that wants to print a list of CCW holders.
“The RSA has more illegal guns than Sweden has beautiful blonds.”
Because statements like this don’t make gun owners look tacky at all. And there’s no way linking to threads dedicated to pics and videos of models in the middle of a gun discussion is creepy. Nope, not one bit.
He looks stupid: He proved it by opening his mouth.
I don’t get it…so what’s illegal in one state will now be law across the country, or will it make violating the state law within the confines of that state be a felony as well as a state crime? If this is going for the lowest denominator and making all the state laws now country wide federal laws, there is no way that can be done as those laws were passed on a single state level…to have a backdoor for them to impact the entire country defeats the purpose of representative gov’t…
Molon Labe
> TTAG has been using the terms “gun control” and
> “civilian disarmament” interchangeably for quite some time
I prefer the term “gun-owner control”
> And now they’re at it again, looking to ditch the
> term “gun control” for “gun safety.”
They did that back in 1999 – 2000, with “,a href=”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Gun_Safety_Foundation”>Americans For Gun Safety”
John McCain was one of their spokesmen back in 2000.
Who elected him to make decisions like this? Make sure the streets and plowed, the trash gets picked up and the street lights work, leave the big decisions to the people.
Very nice. I am half disappointed there is no model linked to this post. But a nice rack indeed.
Feinstein must have been the runner up for the reward….