On Twitter, Teachers Trade DIY Tips on Protecting Their Students Against Mass Shooters the headline at thetrace.org teases. I’m not surprised that Michael Bloomberg’s anti-gun agitpropmeisters couldn’t see the irony of a teacher bitching that he had a chair leg for self-defense, asking for other strategies to combat school shooters. Hey Ian! WHAT ABOUT A GUN? As my mother used to say, some people don’t have the brains they were born with. More stupidity . . .
Active Shooter Who Are We Preparing? – Not armed citizens.
It is simply not enough to tell people to secure in place, lock down and wait for the arrival of police. We must provide the citizens of our communities with the knowledge, authority and physical tools to fortify their positions while always looking to improve that position, or possibly transition to another response based on the situation as they see fit.
Let’s be honest. You just want a cool toy, and for the vast majority of people, that’s all an AR-15 is. It’s something fun to take to the range and put some really wicked holes in a piece of paper. Good for you. I know how enjoyable that is. I’m sure for a certain percentage of people, they might not kill anyone driving a Formula One car down the freeway, or owning a Cheetah as a pet, or setting off professional grade fireworks without a permit.
Some people are good with this stuff, and some people are lucky, but those cases don’t negate the overall rule. Military style rifles have been the choice du jour in the incidents that have made our country the mass shootings capitol of the world. Formula One cars aren’t good for commuting. Cheetahs are bitey. Professional grade fireworks will probably take your hand off. All but one of these are common sense to the average American.
Let’s fix that. Be honest, you don’t need that AR-15. Nobody does. Society needs them gone, no matter how good you may be with yours. Kids are dying, and it’s time to stop fucking around.
Minneapolis PD Selected OSS Suppressors for Super Bowl Security – That’s a sweet set-up for a very scary job.
“We had evaluated suppressors a few at a time in the past,” said Mark Kaspszak, Minneapolis PD SWAT sniper, “and we had the opportunity to finally take a hard look at most of the major brands head to head and compare factors like sound suppression, muzzle flash, blowback, weight/length, accuracy impact, attachment mechanism, and how the suppressors impacted our SBR and precision rifles. After all that, leaders for both the Sniper teams and our Warrant teams unanimously selected OSS as the suppressor we wanted on our guns.”
After Parkland school shooting, hundreds attend nearby gun show in Miami – Only an eyes-closed-wide-shut anti would consider this a surprise.
“We don’t want people going out to buy guns and using them to kill people,” said Fernandez. “But we do need to realize that lawfully licensed gun owners have the right to defend themselves.” . . .
While there may be a climate shift on the gun debate in some parts of South Florida, there’s no sign of a shift at all at the Florida guns expo at the Miami Dade Fairgrounds, which drew hundreds of gun enthusiasts across the state.
Despite heavy criticism on the timing of this event and heated remarks on social media, no protesters appeared to be at the event.
In Wake of Florida Massacre, Gun-Control Advocates Look to Connecticut – Anti-gun Senator: correlation doesn’t equal causation. So what?
“Connecticut’s laws are among the nation’s toughest and homicides are down,” Senator Richard Blumenthal, Democrat of Connecticut, said. “Obviously the link is a circumstantial one; cause and effect can’t be proven conclusively. But the numbers are all in the right direction. States like Connecticut can help shame Congress into adopting common-sense measures that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people.”
How about you join the Army if you want to shoot guns – Spoil sport.
Well, I’ve got some advice for you gun nuts out there, all of you great big macho types who want to buy stuff like the Remington R15 VTR Predator and the Remington Barnes TSX bullets with four cutting petals that will “inflict enormous terminal damage along with deep penetration.”
Go down to your local recruiting station and join the fucking Army. They’ll give you a rifle for free, and all the deadly ammo you want, and they’ll train you with human silhouette targets, and they’ll send you over to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or Niger, or some fucking hellhole where there are guys with guns very similar to yours who will be good enough to shoot at you, so you can shoot back at them and kill them, and then if President Trump feels like it, he’ll order up a big fancy military parade for you, and you’ll march down Pennsylvania Avenue. Meanwhile, put your goddamned R15 VTR Predators in a gun safe somewhere and stay the hell away from our schools, movie theaters, concerts and churches.
The Evolution of the American Tank – Tanks for the memories!
The Gulf War saw the last great tank battles of the 20th century. On the February 26th, 1991, at the Battle of 73 Eastings, the superior technology and training of the M1 Abrams and its crews came to the fore as Captain H.R. McMaster seized the initiative and led a 9-tank troop straight at the heart of an elite Iraqi armored division. It wasn’t long before McMaster’s troops were joined by several more and the American M1A1s pushed through the Iraqi lines.
McMaster later recalled the battle, describing how his troop of tanks cut “a five kilometer-wide swath of destruction through the enemy’s defense…we had the advantage and had to finish the battle rapidly.”
Inside the tanks, the Abrams’ gun stabilization system kept the 120mm M256A1 smoothbore gun on target, allowing the gunners to pour armor-piercing rounds with depleted uranium penetrators, and M830 high-explosive anti-tank rounds onto the Iraqi tanks.
I was always curious about “military-style weapons” does that mean the bolt action rifle like the Remington 700?it is a copy of the WW2 Mauser .How about the Winchester 30/30 ? it is a copy of the Henry used in the civil war. Just about any firearm was used by the military at some time
After this shooting, I talked with a friend who is a high school teacher here in Utah. He told me the policy is teachers should not be armed in school. However he also said if the teacher is a concealed weapon permit holder, the state says they have no control over that teacher if he/she wanted to carry in class. The only requirement was the weapon must be concealed at all times and also no weapon “imprint” was allowed either. If in fact this is the case, it makes total sense. Since so many folks here in Utah are CCW permit holders, I only hope the majority of the teachers do in fact carry.
Yeah and I’m with you. I’m in Utah and I hate the blood in the streets bs about arming teachers. I’m sure a lot of them carry and that’s alright with me. If they can’t be trusted with a gun why the hell should they be trusted with my kid. As a permit holder I can also carry in a school if I have legitimate business there. So like picking up kids or something like that. Yeah a little freedom sure seems to work in Utah just fine.
But I like my pet cheetah!
“Be honest, you don’t need that AR-15. Nobody does. Society needs them gone, no matter how good you may be with yours. Kids are dying, and it’s time to stop fucking around.”
So, because drunk driving is killing people we need to ban cars and booze, right?
Because my neighbor down the street huffs paint I can’t buy any, right?
Guilt by association is stupid and I for one will not engage in it. I also have no patience for the fucktards that do.
this goes all the way back to ft hood
the lesson of ft hood was anything can happen now at anytime for any reason
the lesson of parkland is see something say something is now a proven abject failure and we absolutely cannot depend on any government agency or department to protect us
“whereas the right to self protection and self defense is a NATURAL LAW let it be declared and recognized by all that it is now and always has been and always will be an undeniable and particularly heinous violation of human rights to declare a gun free zone ANYWHERE”
I think this proposition in Florida is a good starting point, but I seriously have doubts it will gain traction in all the States, and I see other concerns, as well. In some States it will never happen. In some States some school districts will adopt it, but others in the same State will not, or will not be able to secure enough participants to make it effective. In some (possibly many) States the Teacher’s Unions will fight it tooth and nail.
That is why I believe there needs to be a Federal mandate to all the States to implement hardened security procedures in every school district. This does not need to be a Federal Agency, but Federal oversight of a Nationwide implementation will be required to insure compliance and consistency.
Partial implementation would only create target campuses among secured campuses and may deter some assailants in some locations while still leaving significant numbers of children at risk. Not acceptable.
I cannot convince myself that armed Staff and Teachers is the best long-term solution. It is a good starting point and the quickest “fix” to implement, but it is a strategy fraught with problems* from the outset. Teachers need to be able to focus on teaching and School Administrators need to be able to focus on administrative matters. We need to add to that mix Security People, procedures and equipment that are focused on pro active campus security working in concert with Administrators, Teachers AND Parents.
People might complain about subjecting children to a rigidly secured Campus, but the reality is today’s children will most likely grow-up to work and perform other life tasks in rigidly secured environments, and, I believe, that experiencing first hand these security measures will help children feel safer, more secure and be better prepared for adulthood.
Most importantly, though, I firmly believe that hardened Campuses with dedicated Security personnel and procedures is the only way to best insure the safety of America’s children.
* I think a big concern is that Teachers and Administrators would always be in a reactive defensive position. Attackers have consistently succeeded in their initial onslaught because the attack is a surprise and the attacker has chosen the time and place to initiate. With a dedicated Security Team, sufficient hardening of access points and effective patrol/observation practices, the intended attacker is denied the advantage of choosing the timing and launch point of the attack. Further, the intended victims can be warned in advance of any onslaught, which in and of itself would save lives and reduce injuries.
The attacker is always going to have the initial advantage. At some point security is counter productive. There are many ways to get around any security measures you put in place if you goal is to kill a lot of people. And the long term effects of ingraining the idea that only the government can keep you safe on a generation of kids is terrifying. I think the idea that a teacher has the ability and tools to protect is a much better lesson.
Fucking maroons.
Shut up and take my money!
Although I’d have to get the .22 LR model, because my local gun club doesn’t allow “Magnum” ammunition (not even 22 Magnum).
F*&K ’em all…
The U.S.A. Complaint is Gun Thief’s by non Citizens hoods of the Criminals under ground non English Speaking populations too! From Central & South American Nations Counties Spanish Groups too! Are Bad Ones in the Gun Running & Drugs too! Is a Fact too! In State of Florida there is to many Retailer Gun Dealers too. most of Then are smaller one Stores too is bigger groups too . To many crowed Gun Dealers is 2000+ F.F.L.s too!We need to cut then down by 0.70 too. The remaining F.F.L.s Dealers Retailers should be several miles apart too!! should be remaining is Gun Dealers Store Fronts Remain too! Agree! 0.30% too! Do you agree? The people are out of controlled too! This is shipping Port of The Drugs come in too! It True!!! Drug hub for illegal Drugs too. The Smaller Gun Dealers numbers need to cut way down too . The People Are non citizens Groups too. A Large population too. They robbed guns & ammo from Gun Stores too. To keep there drug underground Supplies of stolen guns an ammo too. It true ! This is the reason is to Cut the number of F.F.L.s Applications off to Bad Gun Dealers Retailers store Fronts too> It True!! They want Gun Control Laws in the U.S.A in all 50 States too. Sponsored by non Citizens People too! It True!!! The A.T.F should revoked renewals applications& off too. There Current License F.F.L.s & Sheriffs Should Revoked there current State License & Renewals Applications too. Agree!
“…….they’ll send you over to Afghanistan, or Iraq, or Syria, or Niger, or some fucking hellhole where there are guys with guns very similar to yours who will be good enough to shoot at you……….”
I thought it was shithole…. make up you mind, will ya?
And here I thought TTAG did a *new* 2018 school shooting drill.
Dumb me…
The zebra 701 is better, works for me
Just finished reading McMasters telling of his tank battle.
Good stuff.
Just read it. Like how he phrased that ridge crest. That’s not quite how I hear others describe it, but close enough. And I know he did not panic.
The leftists don’t think that it could ever happen, but trashing peoples gun rights will lead to civil war. Enough is enough. Decent hard working people have had enough. Liberals will not listen to common sense. They just don’t understand freedom, nor do they really care. Our founding fathers would be shooting by now and tar and feathering their representatives. A nationwide ban on AR 15 ownership would start a revolt. Very few would turn them in and who would try and take them?.
Yes! Finally something about wrinkle mask.
Our problem is we assume people are just like us. They are not. Mass murderers and sociopaths are not like us. Most of us do not know how they think or operate. We need to treat them as we do rabid animals. Take them out of society. Stop making value assessments and trying to determine right from wrong. Hannibal Lector needs to be removed from society. Why is this so difficult?
The more people with guns, the higher the probability he will be caught in the act and neutralized, hence limiting the long term cost of incarceration. Cost benefit analysis at its finest.
Now, now, we have no idea how many school shootings have been prevented because the guy who wanted to murder a bunch of kids decided that he didn’t want to commit a felony.
…wait a sec…
“Hands up don’t shoot” was a lie perpetuated my MSM. NRA’s “Only a good guy with a gun can stop a bag guy with a gun” is the truth and either demonize or ignored by MSM. Truth is school districts and law enforcement do not want the responsibility of protecting our children.
The one solution that respects 2A, allows murderers anonymity, helps police unions, and limits the carnage is legislation passed providing law enforcement presence on school property while allowing teachers and administrators to lawfully protect students and themselves is training for counterattack by use of arms.
The only undisputed way to end an attack with a gun is counterattack with guns. Counterattack either kills the murderer, forces surrender or the killer commits suicide.
By assigning responsibility to school districts and law enforcement the charge of protecting our children in schools and government providing both legislation and funding will mass shootings be minimized or ended because killers will know they will die in a gunfight.
I am an old guy. I have seen the society change drastically in my lifetime. We never had these problems when I went to school. But because it has changed to the worse, I and my wife received training and concealed carry permits just last year when we were both 69 years old. I now carry all the time, even at church.
Everyone I know loves the semi auto hand guns…I myself always love revolvers better..they don’t jam, ready to shoot without bullet in chamber and easier to clean. Give me a revolver anyday..oh yeah and a super bright flashlight led,and a knife. Plus my pitbull mix…I’m good to go.
Arm resource officers with rifles and train the. so they can take on mass shooters.
DON’T give teachers weapons. Teachers should focus on teaching and if they get absent minded and lose a weapon or have an ND, they is a far more probable threat than the remote possibility of a school shooting.
This is what happens when we become obsessed with feelings. In an effort to avoid hurting them we hurt everyone else.
I carried a Glock for 6yrs doing UC in a narcotics taskforce. I trusted it to go bang if I needed it to, also because it wasn’t a cop gun where I worked Berettas we’re. Cops don’t carry Glocks because they like them, they carry what they are issued most times. Personally I prefer 1911’s and Sig’s because I care about grip angle and point abilities, I don’t want to search for the front sight if the bad times come. You wouldn’t hurt my feeling if I was issued a Glock, but when I buy my own I buy what I like.
What kind of Person carries a Glock?
A conformist.
All but one of my plastic pistols are Springfields. I like them even more now because all the cool kids who wouldn’t have bought one before they f-ed up are boycotting them now.
My one plastic exception is the APX I bought for the extremely cold Wisconsin winters. I bought it not only is it a better pistol than the P-320, but all the cool kids want what the operators have.
“GUN FREE ZONES” are extremely “Target Rich Environments” even having a blaring sign out front advertising to potential “Spree Killers” that there’s NO One here on premises to Defend its occupants!
The biggest threat is to an attacker is probably something like ONE school security officer, probably not even armed, as in the case in Florida last week.
Rush Limbaugh did a rare, live interview on Fox News this morning, and was the only one I’ve heard in the media to acknowledge this fact.
Certainly, Rush has very conservative views, but one thing is true. Rush isn’t beholding to anyone but himself. He’s NOT an EMPLOYEE of a Major news media outlet. Like Trump, he’s his own man.
Whether you’re conservative, liberal or moderate, you, like Rush, I’m sure acknowledges the Florida school massacre as one that hits home with all, but the most mentally challenged in America.
Get a life America. Why do all courthouses secure themselves with Metal Detectors & armed guards, not only at the entrances but within the courtrooms themselves?
Why do nearly all municipal offices protect their employees behind bulletproof glass?
It’s because Judges at all levels and most municipal politicians are so arrogant, and scared for their own lives, that they’ve taken these steps.
So, why haven’t school districts taken these same steps? It’s because they’re autonomous governmental bodies in and of themselves, with their own “Voter Approved” funding, and their administrators, although elected by the public, keep their constituents (IE: the general public) UN – Aware of the true consequences of their agenda.
One of the guests on Fox News this (Sunday) morning was the Superintendent of the Detroit Public School District. Along with Metal Detectors, apparently, the Detroit Public School District, has their own, autonomous POLICE Agency protecting their facilities, and the children of their voting constituents.
Question #2) Why did 2 adult employees have to die trying to shield students from the Spree Killer in Florida last week?
Answer) It was because the only defense they had was their own bodies, absorbing bullets from the attacker.
Question #3) Why don’t the school administrators eliminate the so-called “GUN FREE ZONES” and allow their employees the Option to arm themselves?
Answer) Because almost every teacher I’ve ever known in my life, has been educated in the “LIBERAL ARTS” Curriculum while obtaining their college degrees.
As the saying goes, those who can’t DO, TEACH!
The only EXCEPTION to this Liberal upbringing and education I’ve found is those in the Law Profession, as Attorneys and of course,,,,, JUDGES.
Almost every one of these guys & gals was brainwashed and educated by our Liberal Arts system during their under Graduate years at our colleges.
The difference with the Lawyers & Judges, is, that they’re smart enough to realize that they engage in a profession that has a high likely hood of attack by client or foe, with a revenge motive in mind.
Question #4) So, what about our local state & Federal lawmakers?
Answer) Most of them, also come from the Law Profession, and were initially educated in the LIBERAL Arts programs of our Nation’s colleges & Universities. However, being mostly smarter than most, they all subscribe to our 2nd amendment rights and probably all of them are gun owners, whether or not, they wish to admit this publicly.
So, please, let me hear from some of you LAWMAKERS, or Politicattions here on this website about just what you think about my comments, as well as the obvious solutions to this spree killing that’s been happening in our “Target Rich” , Un Defended schools.
You cannot change the system until you change the teachers, all of whom have been taught by so-called “social scientists” who are absolutely convinced that any form of corporal punishment is child abuse, that the tender psyches of children must be nourished by encouragement, inclusion, and “participation medals” so that all are winners. (Unfortunately, the world, if anything, is all about winners and losers.) These teachers are in turn educated by an education elite in all the colleges and universities who are proud anti-American, anti-capitalist Marxists who tolerate no deviation from their totalitarian dogma. Until it is recognized that social science is not science, that math isn’t a form of white male dominance, and that hard sciences should remain just that, not cesspools for politicization, we are doomed to a society that cannot think beyond the length of a tweet and which is incapable of logical, rational thought. American children today, as demonstrated by their idiotic rantings in high school and college, think emotionally, condemning without building, tearing down society at its roots.
.380ACP is “necked down” 9mm Luger?
In which universe?