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The Left's Civil War Heats Up... And Becomes Deadly. What's next? Are you ready?

Back in February, I asked “Will The Left’s Civil War Turn Deadly?” I noted how America has fallen into civil war. Without a doubt, the hard left continues to mobilize and escalate at every turn.  While the Left’s culture war has not turned out exactly how I feared it six months ago (yet), it has turned deadly.

Furthermore, the rabble rousers show no sign of throttling-back. In case you didn’t know, the moonbat left’s fanciful plans for a socialist utopia has no room for gun rights or other personal freedoms. (Good thing the the ACLU has our back — said no gun owner ever.)

The purported Antifa manual tells members to eliminate all forms of hate speech. “Every idea critical of our movement or our way of thinking must be condemned as: racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc.” Their manual concludes with, “WE ARE ANTIFA.  EITHER YOU ARE WITH US, OR YOU ARE A FASCIST.”

And there you have it.

According to the old children’s adage, words will never hurt you. But sticks, concrete-filled soda cans and other violence certainly has deadly potential.

The Left's Civil War Heats Up... And Becomes Deadly. What's next? Are you ready?

In June we saw the angry man from Illinois trying to assassinate Republican Congressmen at a ball diamond. This week, the inflammatory rhetoric kept ramping up, overtly encouraging deadly violence.

A Missouri State Representative cheered for the assassination of our president. A Huffington Post contributor wishes the violent resistance (like the attempted assassination of Republicans) was more organized. Apple’s CEO defends Antifa’s fascist violence as “standing up for their human rights“.

What’s more, the mainstream media broadcasts the fact that it’s ready, willing and able to throw civil rights under the bus, “Not Rights but Justice: It’s Time to Make Nazis Afraid Again” The Nation proclaims.

The intolerable events in Charlottesville bring new urgency to an old debate: Should we allow neo-Nazis a public platform? Every aspect of the Unite the Right rally—not only its bloody denouement—stands as grounds for a resounding “no.”

With torches, swastikas, metal poles crashing into a black man’s skull, and a Dodge Charger plowing into defenseless bodies, the far right has made undeniable what was already clear: They are enemies, not political interlocutors. This makes it all the more crucial to delineate what we do or do not mean when we demand an end to according space for speech and assembly to far-right racists.

Amazon jefe and Washington Post owner Jeff Bezos’ private blog jumped into the fray too. He published some hack professor’s rant entitled, “Charlottesville showed that liberalism can’t defeat white supremacy.  Only direct action can”:


The nutty professor closed with this:

Segregationists have again assumed their pedestals in the Justice Department, the White House and many other American temples. Paper alone won’t drive them out. Start throwing rocks.

Start throwing rocks at people because they share unpopular, even vile beliefs? This does not sound like the tolerance of diversity that the left has always said makes us stronger.

What’s next?

With a number of upcoming rallies organized by centrist or conservative groups in the coming weeks, the potential for violence grows. Especially where the police follow orders to stand down. One negligent discharge, one Antifa “martyr” shot by a gun, and the push for censorship will gain power and momentum. As will the left’s endless desire for civilian control – of all sorts.  Including, of course, gun control.

As America heads down this rocky road, gun owners — indeed anyone who holds conservative political views or values — should be ready for trouble. And I don’t [just] mean the possibility of being “caught-up” in an anti-Nazi protest.

With the media and left-leaning pols cheering as people pull statues to the ground…  With Google starving YouTube gun channels of cash…  And still more calling for “direct action” and political assassinations, it’s clear we’re in the midst of a full-blown culture war.

No matter whether you’re ready or not, Antifa and company continue to march against freedom and liberty.  If we don’t resist the forces of true fascism now, wherever and whenever they appear, we’ll have to do it later.  When it will be a lot more dangerous and deadly.

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    • Its funny, the left is doubling down on same things they did in 2016, and expecting a different result.

      2018 will give us the senate as well s purging the cucks from the GOP, giving Trump the means to secure the border, deport the hordes, limit legal immigration, secure the vote, stack the courts, and many other in demand things.

      These “Anti fascists” will just drive more and more people into our camp, they are useful idiots for the globalist elite they claim to fight against, useful idiots if their ever were.

      • Yes the Liberals are useful idiots….Jason Kessler Con-Man, White Nationalist works for the Democratic Soros money machine lead the protests in Charlotte.. Then we have Linda Sarsour, a lead organizer of the Woman’s March on Washington and one of the most high-profile Radical Muslim activist with strong ties to Jihad.
        Proof Liberal’s will follow anyone…..

      • From where I’m sitting it sure looks like the guy has gotten rid of every person that helped get him elected and completely alienated his voter base.

        Instead of draining the swamp he’s surrounded himself with swamp creatures, i.e. statist generals.

        Either he’s playing the game at a level so far above the rest of us or, like all presidents and politicians, he’s just doing what he’s told by those really in power and pulling the strings.

    • So you lay all the blame…even Heather Heyer’s death, on the left…that has to be the ultimate blind side reacharound of all time…we currently have government by cranial rectal inversion thx to Donald Trump already…and all you tin foil hat clowns wanna follow him down the rat hole…God help us all

      • Many of the Nazi groups there were left wing, with many of their names included “socialist” in the title. This guy in the car may not have been one of those members, but he was motivated by them. This is leftist on leftist violence. Many of you need to get your facts straight on the political spectrum.

        • Exactly. Why are we accepting the lefts narrative that NATIONAL SOCIALISTS have any part in the right? They want the kkk and the Nazis to be part of the right. They need this to be able to excuse the violence that the left has done throughout history.

          Socialism is left. Collectivism is left. Racism is a form of collectivism.

          Let’s get rid of these elements from the right. And not beicsee they embarrass us. Let’s get rid of them because they belong on the left.

        • Yep. They don’t teach real politics in school anymore. The farther right you go on the political spectrum, the less and less government you get. Anarchy is actually an extreme right wing form of government. The farther left you go, the more and more government you get, with both fascists and communists on the extreme end of that spectrum, with Deism as the ultimate extreme of left wing government.

        • Ahh, yes. And the Democratic People’s Republic of the Congo obviously lived up to all of those adjectives because that’s what they called themselves. If they say it, it must be true, right? Try critically thinking. It’s liberating.

        • @Pseudo — Ah, yes, the National Socialists actually were (and still very much are) every bit as socialist as their name implies, economically-speaking. The government still controlled the means of production, as socialism calls for, and most every single industry was nationalized.

          Try actually taking your own advice, for once, and think critically yourself. It’s liberating to actually be at least intellectual equals with the people you’re trying (and failing) to lecture.

      • Dear Mayhem,

        Nazism and Fascism, along with Communism and Socialism are all ideologies associated with the left end of the political spectrum. Always have been always will be.

        If in fact Nazis or fascists have infiltrated the “alt-right” then I can guarantee you that it is no longer a “right wing” movement, but just a mis-named leftist movement.

        That is all.

    • Wow another nonsense article… “the left” of course doesn’t have a civil war whatever that means… and it is deplorable to absurdly talk about “the left” using violence when your lead photo is of a white supremacist sympathizer using violence against “the left”… this site is really silly and boring, worse than breitbart, yall are pathetic, in other words the core constituency for Donald Hump, just a bunch of bullying dunces : D

      • It’s not exactly “nonsense” when you can do absolutely nothing to actually refute it. The left, of course, absolutely does have a civil war of sorts. And it is actually deplorable to the point of lunacy to talk about the “alt-right” using violence when all examples before and after Charlottesville are in fact the left using violence against, well, everybody else. Oh, and this site actually really entertains you well, being that you’ve been posting here on months-old articles and cheerfully self-identifying as an idiot. You’re the core constituency of Shillary Rottenclam KKKlinton and you’re every bit as thoroughly vapid and unintelligent as she is. You want to talk about bullying? Look in the mirror first, Junior.

        • Hey, youre the dunce who thinks the great Sault Alinsky inspired HUGO Chavez(when of course all non-morons know he of course inspired CESAR Chavez)!

          Thats how dumb you are, but to be fair you only regurgitate what you hear on am radio which of course loves to smear Alinsky and Hugo Chavez so… I mean you obvious have no education, your posts are know-nothing childish rambles written like a 6th grader its embarrassing to read…

        • Hey, you’re the dunce that thinks the manipulator Saul Alinksy’s tactics weren’t used by Hugo Chavez, when all non-morons actually know that Cezar Chavez never even so much as mentioned him to anyone, anywhere, at any time.

          That’s how dumb you are, but, to be fair you only know how to regurgitate what you hear on Clinton’s News Network which naturally loves only to lie and deny and deflect. So, I mean, you obviously have zero education whatsoever, and your posts are consequently vapid, sophomoric ramblings written like a pre-sk00ler. That is embarrassing to read.

        • And I see youre determined that everyone on the site recognize your stupidity : D

          First there is nothing to refute, this rambling article(like your screed) doesnt say anything.

          Second I did point out the obvious namely that the headline about “the left” “having a civil war”(whatever that means) doesnt match the lead photo which is of the infamous instance of the white supremacist sympathizer attacking “the left”.

          Third I drew attention to the nonsense formulation that “the left” is “having a civil war”(youre such a bad writer and muddled nonthinker you dont realize this doesnt make any sense, civil wars involve two factions from the same group fighting each other)

          In short youre too stupid to communicate with, even dumber than this “journalist”

        • Everyone on this site already recognizes your stupidity.

          First, there are actually a couple of things things to refute. Your own rambling posts, as per usual, don’t say anything.

          Second, you actually tried to lie about the headline and conveniently ignored the fact that Charlottesville is literally the only instance of the alt-lefts’ enemies attacking them, and all other examples of political violence since 2015 are the other way around.

          Third, you actually denied the irrefutable truth of there being an ever-deepening schism in the left is in fact leading to violence (you’re such a bad writer and non-thinkiner yourself that you don’t realize this is happening or are conveniently ignoring it).

          In short, you’re every bit as stupid as you oh-so-desperately which I could be, even dumber than the so-called “journalists” you listen to and read from.

        • I mean look at your post, instead of dealing with the substance of what I said you in typical am radio-style bullying nonsense mode fantasize about who I am/what I think and then pointlessly refute this imaginary version of myself!

          Why dont deal with what I said dunsky, for example that this formulation about “the left” “having a civil war” doesnt make sense.

          What are trying to say you dunce when you post: “The left, of course, absolutely does have a civil war of sorts.”?

        • I mean, look at your posts. There is no substance of anything to refute to begin with. So, instead of attacking the substance of what I said, you in the typical morally and intellectually inferior condescension of a TV “news” anchor fantasized about what and what I am and then pointlessly accuse me of being this imaginary version of myself!

          .You didn’t say anything about Saul Alinsky but to lie about him. Oh, and there is an open and deep schism in the left which is, in fact, leading to violence. Hence, a civil war actually only makes perfect sense.

          So, what are you trying to say, you idiot, when you post, “There is no civil war on the left”?

  1. I mean if it gets that bad I’m pretty ready. However I suspect small groups of nutjobs causing some damage and maybe some killings. Nothing the local police can’t handle and State Police for that matter. I’m just waiting for the president to finally rule these hate groups hate groups such as black lives matter, and that crap group that Shannon Watts runs bunch of morons. I hope it doesn’t escalate but I wouldn’t be surprised if it did.

  2. I don’t foresee as much a civil war as I do a concerted effort to demonize right-wing/concervative/right-center individuals and their values. Best I understand, the Charlottesville thing was only violent once the “counter protestors” showed up. I’m not defending any of the initial protestors, but I definitely believe that antifa was instigating the violence.

    These are a bunch of kids looking for an identity. A movement to join, much like their parents/grandparents did in the 60’s. While I think they have potential to be extremely dangerous, I’m not exactly concerned with them or a war as of yet. I’m more concerned with how we are being painted from all of this. Last thing we need is to make martyrs of these pukes.

    • I would be very concerned about them as they are backed by the MSM, the Deep State, the giant tech corporations, Democrats, and George Soros.

      It is classical liberals, conservatives, and patriotic Americans against a very large group of leftists (which, fortunately for us – for the time being – don’t have many firearms) that control most of the world.

      • “I would be very concerned about them as they are backed by the MSM,…”


        The mainstream media is officially *irrelevant* to anyone on the right or center, and they (meaning, the MSM) are utterly oblivious to that fact. They are so delusional, they think they actually matter. Where in the past people were aware that the MSM was biased left, they are now so blatantly in the tank it leaves zero doubt about it. Their credibility with anyone with a brain is zero.

        It’s now a self-feeding echo chamber for the Leftists and the media’s only remaining role is to feed their ‘sheeple’. The only narrative they control is theirs. When we want news, we get it online or political talk radio. Tom in Oregon got it right, they are a petulant 2-year-old who’s throwing a tantrum and stamping their feet because no one is paying any attention to them.

        What’s happening right *now*, folks, is that history being made. Drink it in. Remember it. This will be talked about 100 years from now.

        1968 in retrospect will be a footnote…

    • For decades now, people have talked about the social conditions that promoted the rise of Nazism in Germany. We could very well be seeing the emergence of those social conditions here in America. Groups like Antifa and Black Lives Matter are not at all spontaneous uprisings but are, instead tightly planned and well funded operations being directed by the Hard Left in this country and from abroad. If you’ve read your history, it’s not hard to see that Antifa and BLM are virtual analogs for the Brown Shirt street thugs that empowered the Nazis in the 1930’s.

      Just as our political class legitimizes Antifa and BLM thuggery (they’re fighting against racism, aftre all) so were the Brown Shirts legitimized by German elites for attacking communists.

      The Brown Shirts, however, most famously demonized Jews—encouraging and justifying race hatred all the while maintaining a carefully constructed moral superiority. We can now see a similar process of demonizing happening now as Antifa and BLM labels as “fascist” or “racist” any conservative white person from the president on down who defends American history and culture or who argues against destroying or removing historic monuments honoring southern heritage. We may have seen this movie before but it doesn’t have to end in a totalitarian state that murders millions of innocent people. But then, it just might.

      • Not likely, Garrison.

        White conservatives are the group that owns most of the firearms and knows how to use them effectively. Many military and police, possibly more than 50%, are white conservatives (I don’t have any current statistics).

        As long as the fight progresses as it appears to be currently (faster than the left can politically confiscate firearms – thanks to us), it would be like Hitler and his youth group attacking a well armed militia with rocks.

        What we have to watch out for (other than outright conflict) is a peaceful and slow drift back to leftist government that will slowly confiscate our firearms.

        • You are right that America is most definitely not Germany in the 20’s and 30’s. Nonetheless The Hard Left is so dogmatic that they very well follow those old rules down their own rabbit hole. The private ownership of guns may well be the lynch-pin issue.

        • I don’t know about police nationally (though in the Lehigh Valley we are definitely majority white conservative), but in the military it’s not even close. White conservative men continue to shoulder the vast majority of the burden when it comes to fighting and dying for our country. In combat arms branches the majority is even more significant. We always joke that each infantry company has a fireteam of token black guys scattered throughout. It wasn’t really a joke though, just a humorous observation of fact. I’ve never seen more than five black men in a given infantry company, and maybe twice that for Hispanics.

      • Absolutely. Just like everything was going just great for the Nazis in WW II until the allies spoiled it with their dam fighting back.

  3. Doing battle in the streets with ignorant, arrogant, self-righteous, self-entitled snow flakes might be entertaining, it is not the path to victory. The enemy that must be defeated is comprised of the puppet-master billionaires like Soros, Bloomberg and Zuckerberg who are using their wealth and power to play social engineer.

      • Soros needs a rendition to Red Square in Moscow.

        I hear there is a bench warrant out for him there.

        Shame that don’t have one out for Bloomberg and Zuckerberg too.

        • That was always my favorite point that Screw Loose Change made about the 9/11 conspiracy. (Really not trying to wind that up again, btw.) For a long time their top post, pinned, was that the most obvious evidence that 9/11 was not a conspiracy is that the guy who made Loose Change was still alive. If the government could successfully pull off as massive a conspiracy as he says, and keep it quiet, then making the only guy calling them on it disappear would have required precisely zero effort by comparison, so why wouldn’t “they” do that, if it was real?

      • That’ what I tell our people. Quietly eliminate a few right wingers and take their weapons (do you realize how many of your buddies post photos of your gun collections on social media?) and the word will go away. Right wingers are usually all mouth and no action.

        • Riiight, and we’re the dangerous ones.

          Stupidity is like nuclear power. It can be used for good, or for evil, but either way, you don’t want to get it on you. Engaging with you makes me feel dirty; I’m going to go wash my hands.

        • Except that “your people” won’t do shit. In fact, I remember the last time one of yours tried to assault someone with a gun at a protest in Washington State over one Milo Yannopolis. He was rightly shot for his trouble, and the defender was never charged. No one on your side has even dared try since. Left-wingers like you ARE all talk and no action (Scalise shooting notwithstanding).

          The only ones who’ll be incapacitated are you gun-grabbing nut cases, and neither will it be quiet nor will it be pretty.

  4. As a student of history fascinated by the past two hundred years of armed conflict I can say no one is ready for this coming civil war. Not a single one of us.

    If things turn violent (really violent) think about what will happen. Public utilities will be destroyed and food delivery will become sporadic at best. The cities will become uninhabitable and urban dwellers will move like locust through the countryside. Those Antifa douchebags will riot and kill anyone they can and, likewise, they will be piled up like cordwood themselves. A body count in the tens of thousands that will make the 1860’s look like a Sunday picnic turned into a food fight.

    What happens when the nice families at the end of the street turn violent on the guy two houses down who had a Trump sign on his lawn last year? What happens when you see a group of over-privileged twenty-somethings go from chanting to burning businesses on Main Street in middle America? It is one thing to look at news broadcasts of Portland and wish a gas main would rupture right there but it’s an entirely different story when it’s the kids down the street.

    We are looking at a conflict that will result in purging a quarter of the US population (Nazies, Communists, and Anarchists) before we can put this madness behind us.

    • A full blown “Civil/Cultural” war, if compared to the war of Southern Independence, would result in around 6 million dead or 2% of the total population.

      In a hot war, all is on the table including WMDs.

      One thing I’ve always said is we, Americans, are really good at killing each other.

      I pray it does not go that far.

        • A fascinating read, thank you. Matt Bracken articulated much more effectively then I could how things could spiral out of control so easily. This is also a reminder of why I have intentionally moved away from the large urban sprawl of a modern American city.

          I think, in the scenario posited by the article above, things would go pear shaped a little differently. Thanks to sympathetic universities I can see a student population at a state school in middle America getting out of hand and taking their protest-turned-riot show on the road and leaving the hallowed grounds of their campus.

          Imagine a UC-Berkeley style riot (only turned up to 11) in Oklahoma or Kansas where the students, no longer content with torching flags on the oval, begin to set fires in the student-centric apartments around campus and march towards nearby housing developments while the city’s mayor has instructed the police to give the students room to voice their grievances.

          All this particular shit-storm needs to go really bad would be ten locals set up in a classic L-shaped ambush. State media would have a field day and things would go downhill fast from their.

          That is the kind of scenario that should keep people awake at night.

  5. Antifa are a collection of ignorant morons with no centralized ideology or goals. Meaning some are BLM, some are communists, some are anarchists, etc. They are a rag tag collection of various victim groups (perceived as victims), with no centralized goals. They are not organized at all. Each group is pointed in different directions.

    I’m not concerned about Antifa at all. I’m more concerned about the psycho culture of the leftist. If elected in 4 years what on earth are they going to pursue? More free speech regulation under the guise of their subjective interpretation of “hate speech.???” More gun bans and 2A rights regulations because the populace isn’t grown up enough to take that kind of responsibility? More laws supporting a borderless nation? More laws pushing their ideologies such as socialism/communism? Universal heath care that I don’t want? Free liberal arts colleges for all? Sex education in 3rd grade? They are completely insufferable forcing themselves on everyone else while simultaneously calling everyone else a bigot. I have zero concern of being attacked by Antifa armies, in fact, I would prefer that over the alternative. The alternative being their control of governments and their systematic implementation of their way of life on me by law.

    • Actually, ANITFA is compromised primarily of rich, white dudes who have their over-priced and under-delivering college “educations” bank-rolled by mommy and daddy. They’re merely virtue signaling idiots LARPing as Marxist revolutionaries.

  6. So far the only fatality has been caused by a racist right winger with his eyes to close together. Don’t mince words just come out and say it if you hate Blacks, Mexicans, jews and people of any sort of middle eastern decent because… well your scared demographics are not trending in your favor.

    • You mean the only fatality not counting the two cops killed this weekend or the five killed in Dallas last year or the two killed in Louisiana last year and several other ambushes of officers over the last two years.

      How about the assasination attempt two months ago that or the 2012 foiled assault on a Family Research Council?

      • Love how he conveniently forgets to mention those instances. Much like liberals only mentioning the Dylan roof shooting but forgetting that the vast majority of the school shootings were committed by died-in-the-wool modern liberals. I also adore how he labels a Nazi, a “right winger.” What a damn joke. Nazism has always been and will always be a part of left wing extremist ideology. They need to own that shit instead of disingenuously passing it off as a flavor of right wing politics. If we can’t get these simple distinctions right, then it’s no wonder why all of this craziness is going on right now.

        • I couldn’t agree more. Additionally, I am perfectly happy to denounce the actions of douchebags in the “alt- right” (like there is anything conservative about them) is Mr. Proud Chicano willing to denounce the violence caused by Everett Glen Miller in Florida last night? Is he willing to denounced Micah Xavier Johnson and the 2016 killings?

          Mr. Proud Chicano should show our president how to denounce fringe groups since the state media has been riding Trump’s ass all week for not doing so in a believable sashion.

        • Naziism is right wing ideology, anyone who claims it is leftist doesn’t understand history in the slightest.

          Commenters here might be some of the dumbest people I’ve ever seen.

        • Except that it’s actually not, and anyone who claims it is has already re-written history in their own empty little heads.

          You might be the dumbest person these commenters here have ever seen.

    • Well, YOUR demographics ain’t trending so great either. By the time y’all take over the USA, the wealth and jobs will have all left and the place will be a giant trashed-out shithole that’s even worse than Mexico.

    • Obvious lie is obvious. The driver had no demonstrable links to any right wing group. In fact, he was a member of a alt-left group.

      • FLAME DELETED, or just trying to confuse ‘left’ and ‘right’ again so the words have no meaning? (the KKK is not left)

        • I think he is indicating the douchebag in Charlottesville was a National Socialist (Nazi) and how similar the political beliefs of the National Socialist Party and Communist Party really are.

      • Where did you hear that? League of South members were secretly talking about him. He was with them and they were trying to publicly disavow him while privately saying they were proud of him.

        • I’m actually interested to see if there is any evidence at all of this. It wouldn’t surprise me all that much if what he’s saying were true, either. But, citations first. Speculation later.

    • “well your scared demographics are not trending in your favor.”

      Why would I NOT be? Have you seen how those groups vote? They are only trending thanks to the Immigraiton Act of 1965, “The “Fair” housing act”, and reverse discrimination.

      Its not natural, its engendered by people who want to import useful idiot voters and reward them with the labor of other people.

      If you are against it you are a fake American.

        • So tell me why we would “need” or want, or vote to bring in millions of unskilled 3rd world people every year other then to import welfare voters.

          I will wait.

    • FLAME DELETED There have been fatalities on BOTH sides. Cops do count as human beings you know and some are even not white. You are ignorant and very stupid to assume otherwise. But as an alt left, violent, ANTIFA/BLM “ho” I.guess that’s par for the course. And really ‘bro you should not underestimate the right. FLAME DELETED

    • You’re evidently not much of a student or you’d be aware of a few data points

      The rate of outmarriage of Latino women to Caucasians is significant

      The car driver was a paranoid schizophrenic, off his meds with a history of domestic abuse. We’re not all racists, not by a long shot.

      • “The rate of outmarriage of Latino women to Caucasians is significant . . .”

        Interesting that you mention this. One of my friends once taught a course in “Marriage And The Family”. Each semester he would tell me the same story: when his discussions turned to choosing a marriage partner, Hispanic women in his class often volunteered that they had little interest in dating or marrying Hispanic males. They instead preferred to date and marry Anglo males. This happened time after time in his classes. And each time it happened the Hispanic men in the class were stunned and dismayed to hear this. Education is a wonderful thing. Just sayin’ . . .

    • Proud Chicano
      Please tell me of any left wing gay, black, or jew who supports the second amendment???
      I do know they prefer only the government has guns.

  7. Yeah I’m ready. JESUS is about to split the sky. Oh you’re talking about guns…getting closer to that goal. Honestly most of this BS is Donnie de-rangement syndrome. I’m old enough to be part of the anti-establishment,anti-Nixon and anti-Vietnam. Even voted for George McGovern. This aint new…but every damn burp/fart is covered adinfinitum nauseam…

    • Good point. This trending-toward-civil-war thing could be 90% media hype and most of us would never know it.

      Still, I worry about the long-term future. The notions of the Left are toxic to the founding ideals of America, and the constant danger is a continued slide until we’re just an extension of Europe — another “multiculturally enriched” socialist country (probably soon to be Islamicized) like France, Sweden, or Germany. There are a lot of people in this nation, left and right alike, doing their best to push us down into that hole.

  8. >Segregationists

    The irony is, the actual segregationists these days are in left-wing academia, where segregated spaces and activities are on the rise and where “whiteness” and “toxic masculinity” are being demonized.

  9. If a martian reads the posts and comments here he/she would think that the right wingers in America are a peaceful bunch and have never engaged in violence or ever even considered it. They are just innocent patriots attempting to exercise their right to free speech in the face of out of control lefty violence. Victims in the truest since of the word. Uh huh.

      • No, they’re using the ram a crowd scheme from ISIS. Are you somehow saying James Fields wasn’t a white supremacist, neo-confederate, wanna-be Nazi? Do you think these racist frat bros actually equate Nazi’s with Socialism in any possible way? Didn’t they teach you history about why the Nazi party as run by Adolf Hitler has almost nothing to do with the original founding and reason why the National Socialism was in fact changed to national heritage and populism as an outcome of the Treaty of Versailles?

        And the douchebag fields grew up literally 1 mile from my house and graduated the same year as my kid, and you want to know what he was absolutely not, a freakin liberal. Drove around with a Confederate flag hanging off his car, spouting bs about the resistance to the libtards etc. He’s exactly the model of the nationalist populist you get that would then copy ISIS, just believes in a different version of jihad.

        • Do you have any evidence that he was a member of any right wing group or are you just pulling assertions out of your ass?

        • Don’t know if he was officially affiliated with any group but it was not the right wingers he was mowing down with that car.

        • “Do you think these racist frat bros actually equate Nazi’s with Socialism in any possible way?”

          Well, yes they do. It’s the Hard Left that gets both its nomenclature and political theory confused when throwing around “racist” and “fascist” epithets.

        • Both of which have been widely denounced by pretty much everyone across the political board. The left seem to get a free pass whenever they kill someone due to political differences however. Almost like the Islamists.

    • The left has shown itself far, far more murderous than the right over the last century. You would rather look at the lesser danger from those who don’t share your socio-political view than the much higher danger from your own side.

      Human beings killed by their own governments either directly or through indirect means such as starvation in the 20th century:

      China – Communists – THE LEFT – 76.7 million
      Soviet Union – Communists – THE LEFT – 61.9 million
      Germany – NAZIs – THE LEFT – 20.9 million

      And what’s really mind-numbing is that these numbers do not include casualties of war, only civilian populations.

      There are decidedly evil right-wing atrocities in 20th century history, but they don’t come remotely close to the wholesale democide committed by left-wing governments killing their own populations.

      • Nazis were 100% right wing fascists, you people need to stop trying to re-write history because you’re too ignorant to understand it.

        • Nazis were (and still are) actually 110% left-wing fascists. You need to actually take your own advice, for once, and stop re-writing history because you’re every bit as willfully pig ignorant as you oh-so-desperately want to accuse anyone else of being.

        • Can you please explain what makes Nazis, especially actual German Nazis during WWII, right-wing? I’ve never seen an actual explanation, just “Nazis are far-right, everyone knows that, duh.”

        • The problem is Poe’s Law. It might be a false flag document, or it might not. The fact that it’s debatable is the problem. Based on how we’ve seen these nimrods act, and the things we’ve seen them say, it might as well be legit.

    • Yeah, that’s Protocols of the Elders of Zion-style fabricated material. One shouldn’t lie about Antifa, it’s immoral to lie and very counter-productive when they really are 97% that crazy. Everyone who isn’t non-white and LGBTQ is a fascist? They don’t believe that. Yet. It gets really obvious when it gets to the point of building massive cruise ships to import masses of impoverished brown-skinned people to all white areas of the world to destroy their character, and give the poor free addictive drugs if they choose not to work “to occupy their free time.”

      • Our color, my blackness, for example, comes first. It defines who I am. Black first, American second. Gay/lesbian first, little person/dwarf second, American third, and so on.

        I don’t even know how to respond to that. The whole point of this country is, and I think has been for a long, long time, that we are Americans first and above all. That’s the whole point. If you don’t get that, where’s the common ground to start from?

        I suppose I would think that, though, being a cis white male.

      • Its good you recognize that its an obvious fraud. But do you realize it should tell you something that one of the pro-gun and pro-Trump crowd was permitted by this pro-gun pro-Chump site to post this, and a pro-gun pro-Hump “journalist” posted it, and a bunch of pro-gun pro-Gump folks who admire this site imbibed it… These are the dimwitted folks I see at the rallies, just embarrassingly dumb, the vacuous looks and oh my gawd when they start trying to talk and make sense its horrifying. Are these really the folks you want to associate with…

        • You are actually looking at a reflection of yourself when you go to these rallies. Every bit as remarkably stupid and inarticulate as you think anyone here is. You obviously want to associate with us, too, being that you’re posting here. Anyway, it’s always good when idiots like you self-identify.

  10. Shame on you! No, I don’t mean the people who attempted to hold a “Free Speech” rally in Boston today, a city which has a proud history of being one of the cradles of American liberty. Many of those who wished to attend the rally were blocked from doing so, some were roughed up by the mob and left out of fear for their well-being and the police shut the rally down as being too dangerous.
    Think about that, folks. A rally celebrating our First Amendment and the freedoms it protects was shut down – by a mob. The rally wasn’t “Alt-right” or Nazis. The organizers specifically stated that they didn’t want those sorts of vermin there (although there were some of them there).
    How ironic is it that those self-righteous individuals who claim to be SJW “anti-fascists” have employed tactics which are fascist to their very core to suppress a right our Finding Fathers thought so important that it is first in the Bill of Rights? Has America come to this?
    I don’t usually agree with the commentaries in Politico but it would behoove those who shut down that rally today to read this:

    • Right on, man…this has been troubling me as well.

      I read about the people who were holding this Boston free sppech rally and the most radical thing about them was that they supported non-violent expression of ideas.

      • I posted that on FB and got a response that perfectly demonstrates what infects the minds of these fascist left-wing nut-jobs. She spat back “Hate speech directed toward minorities, religious groups, and gender designations is not free speech.” I kept the heat down so that the poor little SJW snowflake didn’t melt into a puddle of tears with “Balderdash, my good woman! Free speech means just that – free. It means speech from people we detest from people we rightfully revile as well as that from those with whom we agree. If you don’t like it, ignore it. If it arouses your passions to where you must protest, please feel free to refute what you’ve heard and rebuke those who said it. That’s YOUR right of free speech and it has no more or less right to be said than THEIR free speech.”

        It’s been awhile since I posted that and she hasn’t replied back yet. Say, you don’t suppose those few sentences caused her to have an epiphany, do you? Naaah! I’m sure she still thinks that she and her ilk should take away our liberties “for our own good”. As C.S. Lewis memorably stated, “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences.”

  11. I have no interest in shooting the alt-left rabble. They’re just stupid, brainless punks who think they have a cause but don’t have a clue. At another time and in another place, they would be the homeless dregs that we pass on the street and try not to see.

    Sure, I’ll defend myself vigorously and effectively if necessary, but I’ll take no joy in it.

    Meanwhile, George Soros pulls all the strings and laughs. When he finally does his greatest deed in life by leaving it, on that day I will celebrate with great joy.

    • Can someone explain to me how George Soros and his family, being Eastern European Jews who were alive and living in Nazi Occupied Europe in either Hungry or Yugoslavia, escaped the concentration camps and got extremely wealthy at the same time? He has gone to great lengths to bury his past. No I am not a Nazis or wish he had been a victim of that horror but it just begs questions that no one dares ask about him. That needs to be addressed. Was his family somehow collaborating with the Nazis? I don’t know but he certainly is an evil person who has a “self admitted God complex” ! He is no friend of Israel either which I find to also be odd given his heritage. He certainly doesn’t practice his faith but that doesn’t change the fact he is what he is. How could someone who lived through such evil times as a youth be so willing, wanting and certainly financially able to underwrite these obnoxious far left wing groups like BLM who employ the very same bullying tactics that brought those totalitarian groups to power. His Media Matters and Involvement with the Center for American Progress and other far left organizations is cause for concern. His willingness to do what he can to destroy people and countries is unquestionable. He has destroyed the Pound Sterling as a World Reserve Currency along with Macedonia’s currency along with several other countries. Destroying the value of a Country’s currency enriches him but destroys the lives of the middle class and other hard working people he claims to want t help. His money is also funding many of these Antifa groups too I would bet, either directly or through some other front group that he hides behind. He doesn’t want to be the front man ruling the world but the man pulling the strings from behind the scenes. That combined with his billions makes his a very scary person. He has an army of ARMED security people protecting him while he tries to disarm the individual. His political donations tell you all you need to know about his current agenda. He is a roach who needs to be put under the spotlight of transparency. Evil doesn’t like the light!!

      • Keith – Soros’ father was a very well-to-do lawyer who paid a gentile to keep little George out of the clutches of the Nazis for the duration of the war. His surrogate “uncle” was employed by the Nazis to clean out the residences of the Jews who had been deported to the gas chambers and ovens and George later related that he “enjoyed the work”.

        As for your other musings, I think it can be explained by Soros’ greed and certainly by a raging case of megalomania with perhaps a bit of a messianic complex thrown in.

  12. I’ve been ready to burn communists since I’ve been conscious enough to understand what communism is. Not to mention what these ANTIFA pukes do to random people they see on the street.

    Unlike the left I actually have SOME morals, so I refuse to start this and will just sit back here and watch the show. But hey… anytime you want to start it up, I’m game.

  13. I will start worrying about Nazis when the MSM starts caring about the far more deadly and dangerous and prolific Marxists. It can’t be said too often: Nazis murdered 10 million last centru, Marxists murdered 100 million — ten times as many. Marxism continues to this day, in North Korea and Cuba, and in somewhat diluted form in China. All of those continue killing today, in Marx’s name. This recent Nazi killing was the first in a long time.

    You want segregationists? Look at any college, where the snowflakes are demanding rce-segregated safe spaces.

    No sir, I do not worry about Nazis and white supremacists. They are pathetic whiners, out of power. It is the Marxists in universities and political office who are the true threat to liberty.

  14. I must have missed the part where you talk about the right wing Trump supporter driving a car into the crowd killing one woman and injuring 30 others. Oh, I know why I missed it. It’s because you didn’t mention it. Now that I know this web site is fascist and Nazi supporting I can make sure to tell decent human beings who support the 2nd Amendment but don’t support hatred and bigotry to stay away from it.

    • Maybe the fellow’s accelerator stuck or maybe he was actually trying to get away from the mob but lost control of that 600 Horse Power vehicle? Might be Fiat/Chrysler’s fault. Wait for the trial and conviction. People are innocent until proven guilty..

      • The justice system is set up so that we don’t put people in prison without them being judged guilty by a jury of their peers. It doesn’t mean we all have to pretend like we don’t know they’re guilty as hell.

        That asshole did more for ANTIFA than all the community organizers in the world ever could. Don’t excuse him for it.

        • Except that no one’s excusing what that asshole did, or whatever other baseless accusation you want to make but damned-well KNOW literally never, ever happened anywhere on this page. All he’s saying is that we should wait for the trial and conviction.

        • Well he didn’t drive that car into the right wingers did he. So I’m gonna take a wild guess and say he was on their side of the protest.

        • Matt, the guy is a diagnosed schizophrenic. He could have driven into that crowd because the little leprechaun on his shoulder told him to.

        • If you look at the video, he was driving somewhat fast down a street with a fair number of people running around but did not hit anything until he rear-ended the stationary car at the end of the street. He then backed up to escape from the crash scene, which happens a lot these days. Had he really been intent on running over people, he could have easily mowed down many more than got hurt. Rear ending another vehicle doesn’t make any sense if you are intent on hurting people. From reports, he was not very intelligent, had mental issues and may have been in a panic or drunk or doped up. Most people consumed with extreme views or hatred never get around to acting on their thoughts. It might very well have been an accident.

        • You can’t be fucking serious.

          Ollie, I don’t like the guy, but he’s got a point. Nobody, and I mean nobody, has suggested this was an accident. That includes the guy driving the car, or his attorney(s).

        • I’m going to repeat myself.


          Does ANYBODY have ANY evidence as to his motive? Documented affiliation, posts, etc…
          How about we apply the simplest explanation? He was a mental patient that went nuts. It tends to happen.

        • Except that Fields was known to EVERYONE, that he was a racist douchebag.

          And that’s just one local TV channel, actually talking to people familiar with him.

          So other than everyone who knew him, has talked about it, been interviewed about it, no one knew? for shame. The fact he went on the senior trip to Europe actually had people stopping their kids from going. And guess what, when they went to Nazi holocaust memorials in Europe, he was talking about Hitler getting it right.

          Has he come out and given an interview yet, or admitted in court that he did it, of course not. He has an attorney with a heartbeat, who’s told him to STFU, a few years too late.

          I’m tired of the whataboutism, James Hodgkinson liberal terrorist-zero dead, Micah Johnson liberal terrorist- 5 dead, Jeremy Joseph Christian right wing terrorst-3 dead, Dylann Roof right wing terrorist-9 dead. You know what they all have in common, they’re terrorists.

          Hate breeds violence, and the last civil war ended with a million dead American’s (at a minimum), out of a population 31.4million, so if was equally horrid, that’s 10 million dead, so if its 1/100th then it would still be 100,000 Americans. Just saying your looking forward too it means you’ve lost the argument, its got to be a corollary of Godwin’s law.

        • Ok Rick… what is it with reading comprehension and lefties? EVIDENCE not HEARSAY.

          Some random people off the street making assertions is not EVIDENCE.

    • Supporting someone’s right to free speech, however disgusting and deplorable their rhetoric may be, is the exact opposite of fascism. Nazism = leftism. What an intellectual heavyweight you are.

      • The idea of the First Amendment is to allow the right of people who espouse ideas we do not like to have the protections to say what they believe so that we can all see and hear it in order to be aware of it. If you push it underground that is when it becomes dangerous. Take a look at the fact that the ACLU, with whom I have no allegiance represented the KKK against the City of Skokie Illinois in which the City, which has a very large Jewish population, refused to give a parade permit to the KKK because of the fears for public safety and the fact that their hate speech was so offensive! The ACLU took the case all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of the KKK and the Court ruled that the Free Speech rights of these “people” were infringed and explained extremely well the purpose for the First Amendment. Everyone should read that case to see why we have a First Amendment.

        In any event the permit was granted and the group showed itself to be a joke which if they were forced underground may have garnered more support by people who would have wondered why the government wouldn’t let them speak.

    • Bizarre omission given that it is what led to this national discussion. Also omitted were attacks on the Sikh temple, the sword killing of an African American and many other right wing violent acts.

      The ADL had this to say
      “In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders,” Pitcavage says.

      • The ADL is a worthless pile of commies. If you take anything they say seriously, I have a bridge to sell you. They think a cartoon frog is a symbol of “white supremacy”.

        • Except that the Proud Boys and other nazi groups have adopted Pepe the Frog as their preferred emblem, and in internal communications they show neat things like Pepe burning Jews in ovens. But hey … denial is high among right wingers.

        • Except that the adoption of a meme is irrelevant to its original meaning, and you still have absolutely zero corroborating evidence to back ANY of the assertions you’ve made thus far. But, hey, projection is high among left-wingers.

        • Oh… you’re addorable. You think the Proud Boys are Nazis. I’m going to go fall over laughing now.

      • It’s not a bizzare omission given that this and the other instances you mentioned were, in fact, specifically mentioned in previous articles. All you have to do is actually search for them. Assuming you’re even capable, that is. Given your propensity for intentionally making knowingly baseless and indefensible accusations of bigotry against those who have shown none, and only to score brownie points for virtue signaling to your equally-stupid “friends” on social media (why would you even be here otherwsie?) the only logical conclusion now as you lack the intellectual capacity and ethical integrity to even try.

        Oh, and the ADL lies. The vast and overwhelming majority of public mass-casualty attacks have in fact been perpetrated by dyed-in-the-wool leftists.

        • Yeah. #notanargument. Roof was a fart in a tornado. If it was a black guy shooting up the same number of white people, nobody would even know his name.

        • More like Han Sue-Cho, Adam Lanza, James Holmes, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, Aaron Alexis, Elliot Roger, Syed Farook, Omar Mateen.. Oh, wait.

          You can go ahead and bow out now, JT. ;]

        • It wasn’t until Dallas and then it was. Funny how the black supremacist who kills five cops didn’t get nearly as much press. It’s almost like there’s an agenda there.

      • “No true Scotsman is a kind of informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample. Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule (“no true Scotsman would do such a thing”; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).”

        • It’s only a “not true Scotsman” if you have some evidence of his affiliation. You have no such evidence. If such evidence existed, it would be on the front page of every newspaper rather than unsourced assertions which is all you have.

      • oh hey it’s that pokemon fanfics guy again who thinks every hate crime is a deep state conspiracy. Seryozha, you a wild one

        I don’t even know which post to choose dude, when was the last time you were right about something? Like how are the Anarchocommunists Marxist if they reject the dictatorship of the proletariat?

    • Now that we know you’re simply projecting your fascistic ideology and support for Nazism onto us, and that is in fact the case because you have yet to actually field any evidence to support your knowingly baseless accusations of it against this website (meaning automatically and by default you are indeed guilty of it yourself), we will make sure to tell people that are actually decent human beings that truly support the Second Amendment to completely ignore anything and everything that you have to say. About anything. Ever. As it should be.

        • Except that I have. You, on the other hand, sure aren’t condemning the people marching under the Marxist flash, though. Not that you even care about not being a total and complete hypocrite or anything. Which you ARE, by the way.

        • Hahaha, you’re just all confused Matt in FL. Seems to me your problem should be with this poorly administrated website, not me.

        • No, our problem correctly lies with you, and your dubious accusations based on precisely nothing but what you see deep inside yourself first, and not at all in the people that you are accusing.

        • The entire black bloc, which includes ANTIFA and their black flag, is comprised entirely of Marxists. You saw a Marxist flag. You either didn’t know it or conveniently ignored it.

        • Let me point it out to you. It’s the one that’s half red and half black divided diagonally. That’s the flag of anarcho-communists. aka. Marxists.

    • You know, it’s always interesting when someone new finds this site. I mean, I assumed you’re new, since you say, Now that I know this web site is fascist and Nazi supporting I can make sure to tell decent human beings who support the 2nd Amendment but don’t support hatred and bigotry to stay away from it.”

      So here’s my question. When you tell these “decent human beings” to stay away from here, are you going to do it using this name? Or are you going to do it using one of the other half dozen names you’ve used while leaving comments from the same IP address and the same email address over the last several months? Are you going to tell them that in the course of leaving roughly 185 other comments, going back to the first of this year, you only just now discovered that this site is a hotbed of support for fascism and Nazis? Man, I’m not sure I’d place a lot of faith in your awareness if it took you that long to realize it. Might call everything you say into question.

    • You obviously don’t know that the founder of this website (Robert Farago) is a Jew, and his grandparents were killed by Nazis during the Holocaust. This site is not a fascist nor Nazi website, for obvious reasons. It is generally a right slanted site, though, and that tends to go hand in hand with the 2nd Amendment. However, right wing does not equal Nazi, as the mass media, antifa and most liberals would have their sheep believe.

      That said, anyone supporting the driver of that vehicle, or trying to claim his gas pedal got stuck or he was running from someone is a fool and probably a neo-nazi. You’ll find that most people here condemn his horrible actions.

      • In the pantheon of left/socialist governmental models, fascism—although still strongly tending toward totalitarianism—is the least socialist in that it promotes the ownership of private property while government controls the means of production. Fascism, although being a milder form of socialism, is correctly identified as “right wing of the left wing” and is still the antithesis of free market capitalism

  15. You have to be a complete moron (like those on the Left) to think that Nazis are an existential threat to the US.

    The radical Left supportd by the radical media (i.e. all of MSM) is the real existetial threat to the liberty of the US.

    Even though I dispise and loathe Nazis, the top picture made me smile.

  16. Seems to me that the main problem is violent extremism regardless of who does it. Both right and left can point at violent extremists on the other side, either recent or farther back in history, and feel superior. So RF I don’t buy your take, I think it is too one sided and feeds a cycle of continued violence.

  17. The Left’s civil war turned deadly? You mean when a white supremacist rammed a crowd with his car in a virtual carbon-copy of ISIS-inspired terror attacks? What does that have to do with the Left?

    • League of the South lead the Charlottesville nonsense – they are the ones with khaki pants, black Polo shirts, and white riot shields with a black cross. They want a new Civil War, and an all-white South.

      We had just reported to the Feds that one of them who attended the Charlottesville demonstration had written that his bucket list included killing a family of “niggers Jews, and Muslims.”

      Yeah. Fine people that the right wingers here want to associate with.

      • Except that no one here has expressed, or even remotely implied, any such desire whatsoever to associate with that kind of filth. Fitting you should even chose a screen name that is so very unbecoming of someone so brazenly, even willfully, pig ignorant.

  18. The over-confidence of the right. It’s so enjoyable to read.

    Think that only the right is armed? Guess again retards.

    Think that only the right has marksman, woodsman, and former military? Guess again. We have kept records on the alt.right for years. Most of y’all talk big but were in fact wash outs. We know, because many of us were the officers that decided that you were unfit. And we know where you live and work today.

    So go ahead and talk all you want. Those on the left know that those on the right are generally clueless.

    • Wow Mr. God. You leftist nuts are even more insane than I thought. Yes we realize that not all of you are transgender weaklings who only use their mouths for everything. Some of you may even know the manual of arms for a 1911. But I’ll put my faith in those who were in actual armed combat before I put my faith inthose who dance around armed with fecal bags.

    • In my experience, actual officers know basic grammar. But I’m sure you have a marksman and a woodsman. We have millions of them.

      • I was in the 99th percentile in English in my college entrance exams. However, my tablet’s spell checker wasn’t, Einstein. Now go swallow your revolver.

        • Suuure you were. Your spell checker knows better than you, and you fucked up so badly that even it couldn’t save the garbage you spew. Now, go drink a lit molotov.

        • 99th percentile of whom? The special needs class? I was born in the Soviet Union, English is my FOURTH language. Apparently I have a better grasp of it than this alleged “officer”.

        • Hahahaha!!! You spelled your name wrong, Dog. Now please go find a Dodge to stand in front of.

    • This may be the dumbest post I’ve seen, anywhere, in the last year. I kid you not. You sound like a no-kidding, hid out in your mom’s basement, keyboard warrior. Just stop, and get back to MSNBC where many other of your ilk can continue to pump you full of buttermilk and vinegar and tell you how righteous you are. I mean, I read this and laughed until my stomach hurt. If you were really an O in this country’s great military, there’s no way you were even close to having the option of staying in. Section 8 for everyone!

    • The projection of the left. It’s so predictable that it’s barely enjoyable to read anymore.

      It’s a well-known fact that you FLAME DELETED on the left irrationally fear guns to the point of wanting them taken away from everyone — including yourselves, the few of you that do own them, anyway.

      The vast and overwhelming majority of marksman, woodsman, and current and former military are also, decidedly, not leftists, either. You haven’t kept records of anything but your own virtue signaling to score brownie points on social media, to show your Marxist peers what a good little progtard you are. Most of you like to talk big, but you never even took the opportunity TO washout. We know, because many of us know that service records are public record, and we don’t find but a tiny handful of you in there — and most of you that somehow by some miracle made it in were either mediocre or failed to adapt and were bounced out of basic.

      And, because of this, we know where you live and work today. Not the other way around. 😉

      So, you go ahead and project all you want. Those on the right know that those on the left are completely clueless.

    • I’ve never met a far leftist who had any more brains than a “White nationalist”. They’re BOTH slack jawed morons and cowards, full of big threats and no action when their ass is on the line.

      The only question is whether the Communists are pedophiles to the same extent that the Nazis are. My guess would be, “yes”.

  19. I live in a suburb until next summer. I’d really appreciate it if any real trouble holds off until l get to my redoubt in WY then.

    • +1 If things start to really deteriorate, I’ll be following your example. I don’t want to be anywhere near a deep blue urban area. *shudder*

  20. If by ready he means I already own enough guns and ammo I won’t need to do any panic buying, then yes.

    Most people just want to be left alone. This was true in the civil war. A small percentage on each side fought each other, while the great middle went about their business. A civil war today wouldn’t become a Mad Max apocalypse. Of course, if the libs and commies won, it would, but I digress.

    • Mad Max apocalypse and Venezuela both had no toilet paper and people eating garbage. I figure this is six of one and half a dozen of the other situation.

      • So, you support Nazis and white supremacists yourself by fielding totally unsupported and unsupportable accusations of such against people who have shown no such propensity whatsoever. In otherwise, psychological projection. Good to know.

        It’s so much easier when morons self-identify.

        • No, you’re just having your own dogma thrown back into your face, the only place it ever belonged to begin with. Shame on you for projecting your malice and stupidity onto people who have shown none.

  21. Antifa is nothing. They don’t amount to anything. They are an extremely small fraction of the population. And they will remain so. Nobody is attracted to anarchism and communism in mainstream America. Oftentimes people of the gun are their own worst enemies. We should be more careful about the company we keep. We should not praise every single group that decides to carry a weapon in public. If people carry responsibly then fine. But America is tired of hate groups carrying modern sporting rifles and wearing body armor.

    • Hunh. I spent several hours this afternoon watching videos from Charlottesville. Two things were very evident: (1) The majority of the assaults and other violence I saw in the videos was inflicted by the “Antifas” on the Nazis, who for the most part merely pushed back with their shields or hurled back the objects thrown at them. While I have no use for white supremacists of any stripe, they have the right to express their racist views unmolested; (2.) The only times that people were non-violent and even occasionally civil to one another was when one of the ad-hoc “militias” was on video. For some reason, things were calm when they were around.

  22. I’ve always had the same message for violent Marxists that I’ve always had for “White nationalists”:

    “I’m your huckleberry.”

  23. I pretty sure no one ‘prepares’ for a Civil War scenario anywhere; you either survive it, avoid it, or get caught up in it. No gun will keep your possessions from being confiscated, no gameplan will defend you from a horde of zombies bent on tearing you apart if you get surrounded.

    The real question, is how likely is it you’d even want to see a civil war through to its conclusion? I mean, what kind of broken, totalitarian banana republic will America be when it comes out the other side after crushing the opposition, and do those of us who value freedom even want any part of that shit show? Best case scenario is balkanization and a stay of hostilities after a brief period, worst is a consolidation of power by the victors that culminates in the mechanized slaughter of either urban centers or suburban/rural areas. Neither is something worth risking everything for. We’ve never had a domestic conflict here in 150 years, so we’ve once again developed a naivete when it comes to wholesale social conflict; not only does it destroy everything, it salts the ground against regrowth for multiple generations. All you can do is leave, and let the land lie fallow until the grand kids of everyone who fought each other are dead (this is largely why the South’s development after the war was stunted for a full century)

    Leaving is always an option, and a good one; we’re already so far gone that there are about a dozen nations objectively freer and healthier socially by every measure than our own. It’s not like this turn of events wasn’t exactly how most of our ancestors came to this country’s shores, fleeing Wilhelm or Robespierre or Cromwell or any of the other infamous rogues. The guy who comes to symbolize the fall of America will simply be one more name on that list. “Just walk away”

  24. Here are some reports some of you may find interesting:


    Reported subsequently by Newsweek and others, the Brookings Institute published this article about the possibility of the Senate voting to Impeach POTUS Trump on August 9:

    Yes, the Left has started a Civil War and are shoveling fuel onto the fire as fast as they can trying to heat it up to all-out violence. Better get ready.

    • “Alright, put the red-communists over here on the left of the actual protesters, the white-communists over here on the right of them, and we’ll bring in the black communists once everyone’s in position to get our guys fighting each other right in the middle of the actual protesters. No one will hear their message, and our violence will be used to justify not giving them demonstration permits in the future. Any injuries, deaths, or arrests will be either martyrs to rally our guys, or warnings to the protesters, depending on who bites it.”

      It seemed chaotic at the time, but from what I understand the after-action report strongly suggests a highly coordinated shepherding effort of the actual protesters by the ostensibly opposed combatants, bolstered by this Kessler dude apparently being a communist very recently affiliated with the groups he’s now raging against as a white supremacist (but without any sort of ideological/professional ‘clean break’ with them documented since the election; instead his ties were merely buried). Smacks of a very simple organized ‘WWF-style’ melodrama that played out on top of a long-planned protest event of much smaller scale, in order to send a message & possibly with the intent to get somebody hurt/killed.

  25. Lets keep this simple:
    1) neo-nazis are not right wing….they are SOCIALIST
    2) antifa is socialist
    3) this is a fight in the streets between 2 entities that have been going at it since the early 20th century
    4) they both claim Eurocentric lineage via Marxism and Hegalism
    5) If you care to educate yourself on this behavior, take a good look at the Ukraine/Crimea conflict….ask the separatist what the problem is, they say fascism….ask the Ukrainians, communism….
    6) The media knows this….they are hiding a leftist power struggle….educated communist vs. blue collar fascist…..(sound familiar?????)….ahemmmmm…….nazigermany…..THERE, IT WAS SAID!!!!!!….same social dynamic
    7)the difference fundamentally between a fascist and communist boil down to world view….communist encompasses world domination, fascist are very strong nationalist
    8) the communist try to pin the social stigma of racism on Trump by affiliating him with the nationalistic views that the fascist possess…..which is exactly where trump parts ways with anything that is deemed fascist
    9) the media for the most part, or in whole, are marxist….so they carry the racism mantra for Antifa…..against Trump, who is anti-fascist AND anti-communist…..

    ….so boys and girls, go figure…..real simple……..just do your home work and always remember that if they offer only 2 choices, odds are there are 20 or so to choose from……………. 🙂

    • I’d replace all your references to “socialism” with simply “communism.” Outside of specific policy discussions, they are identical; and even within those discussions, socialism by design degenerates into communism (which it itself supposed to magically degenerate into Utopia once the entire economy is subverted to the party).

      Also, not even communists are honest about being “internationalist.” The Soviets were always, always quite adamant that they be the ones calling the shots for the Global Workers’ Caliphate they were gunning for, quite explicitly to the exclusion of all bloc states from important decisions. The Politburo in Moscow run by Russians was to determine what everyone was to say, do, and produce, and everyone else was to slavishly act accordingly, and also deliver tribute for the privilege (all those non-Russian AKs were made by paying the USSR ‘licensing fees’ to make the guns they were forced to produce by the USSR).

      Communism is quite literally Fascism, only Communism came first; they are identical in every way except for the details of who the “revolutionary group” chooses to identify as. If the victim-nation falling prey to these theories is a diverse, conflicted society, they will tend to identify as communist (America, Russia). If they are monolithic in culture & history for the most part, they will generally identify as fascist (Spanish, Italian, German). Since no society is ever fully monolithic (except perhaps the Shinto Japanese of years past) and always has at the least multiple economic classes, there will be two or more camps that identify as either Communist or Fascist. Just like with similar religious sects, they will grow to hate the groups that are so very much like themselves but still insist on using a different name; the more similar in practice or belief, the greater their ‘betrayal’ becomes.

      • So what you’re saying is that except for a few minor technicalities, there’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Nazis and the Communists?

        Holy crap! They were just like the Republicans and Democrats running this country into the ground now!

  26. No one can accurately predict IF a civil war will happen. No one can accurately predict WHAT will happen if a civil war does take place.

      • I strongly suspect that America’s military is too large & diverse to stay a cohesive binding force in the face of our inevitable political fragmentation. I fully expect that multiple branches, or possibly bases, would break apart into standalone coups acting with local efforts (be they affiliated with the collapsing federal government or independence)

    • They may not have predicted the day or the duration, but plenty of people (actually, pretty much all objective informed observers) spoke out in advance of the first civil war in the decade leading up to open hostilities. Supposedly the president swayed the Dred Scott decision the way he did since he knew that striking down slavery via the courts would result in immediate rejection of the decision & open rebellion. Plenty of pundits were relieved that Nixon stepped down & was pardoned since it was rather obvious that the +50% of the country that voted for him was not about to see him put in chains after public humiliation by then-constantly-rioting leftists without a fight.

      • “Old Buck” James Buchanan, our 15th president, unquestionably “kicked the can down the road” on the issue of slavery but I very much doubt that he had any influence on Chief Justice Roger Brooke Taney, the writer of the majority opinion in Dred Scott. Statues of Taney have just been removed from their places of honor in Baltimore and in front of the State House in Annapolis during this current wave of insanity because of the opinion the SCOTUS rendered in Dred Scott has made him a flaming racist in contemporary minds ignorant of how the court arrived at their decision in 1857. I slogged through Taney’s majority decision the other night and it was racist only in the respect that it reflected the precedents in law which went back to pre-Colonial times – and precedents are what the SCOTUS relies upon to make their decisions. The laws even in such northern states as Massachusetts and Connecticut considered blacks to be too inferior to whites to be entrusted with the rights and privileges even the most humble of whites enjoyed. Inasmuch as the thing at controversy in the Dred Scott case was not the issue of slavery but whether or not Scott had standing as a citizen entitled to file suit in a federal court, the SCOTUS decided he did not based upon the laws in effect at the time and the history of the laws preceding them. Having read the decision and seen how laboriously and thoroughly Taney covered each and every facet of the case and the law, I doubt very much that “Old Buck” had any influence on the court’s decision in Dred Scott. Besides, Taney’s court’s rulings in other matters betray no racism, only a strict adherence to sound judicial principles.

        • Look it up; improper comms were discovered between them regarding the case years later, which explain Taney’s then-surprising change of mind.

  27. “Are you ready?”

    Can’t fing wait. A lot of bad parents are going to lose a lot of stupid masked kids before people start hunting power (D) and funder (D) around the globe. Wealthy trouble makers and funders better find a way to get the F out of the solar system before March.

  28. Everyone assumes the individual’s freedom of expression is only protected from his own government. But if you look at what’s happening here now and what was happening in Germany before Hitler came to power, the storm troopers – an illegimiate (or call it foreign if you will) government – use coercion to suppress free speech. All your own government has to do is to look the other way, like they were doing in Germany. It’s equivalent to a foreign government taking over somebody’s land and your own government not doing anything about it (or doing something only if they like you). Your government can be simply weak (like it is right now), or it can be malicious – they don’t need to suppress anyone’s speech directly, they can just selectively ignore violence against it.

    This will continue and non-communists have two options – surrender or form militia to protect their rights – basically recreate government that protects them from an enemy. The second option will be a civil war.

    AntiFA = anti First Amendment

    • *Brown Shirts, not storm troopers. SS was a legitimate military unit (albeit an evil one), the Brown Shirts were smashing windows of Jewish businesses & terrorizing ghettos. Upon consolidating power, they were more or less rolled into the “SA” formal domestic ‘peacekeeping’ force that was charged with putting down resistance movements (same job, but with a badge & jurisdiction). Much like the inevitable fate of our beloved Antifa, they proved so unreliable and obnoxious, that they were seen as disloyal and were liquidated in the “Night of the Long Knives” by the more professional SS.

      Probably the one bit of satisfaction that Party opponents got before being sent to the camps, was hearing news of the most prominent of the Brown Shirt Goon squad being summarily executed as a thanks for all their efforts on behalf of the Fatherland.

  29. President Trump is correct.
    There was violence on both sides. The pro statue people where peaceful. The left my have had one of their own run over that woman.
    They are looking to create their own reichstag fire.

  30. I swear it must be one guy in the basement media matters with trolling this particular post. he/she/it is pretending to have a conversation with other pretend leftists in order to appear legit. I wonder how much he is payed?

    • You’ll have to be more specific; between trolling, sarcasm, drunken Joe R rants, idiots who honestly think Ted Cruz is a flaming liberal, and idiots who honestly think Nazis were right-wing conservatives, it’s really hard to tell who you could possibly be referring to. “Ouch” if you’re referring to me (also inward chuckle because it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve been so wrongly maligned)

      • One thing that ticks me off is linear thinking that AustroGerman Nazi’s of the 30s and 40s are politically the same as today’s American neo-Nazi. It doesn’t matter that the original National Socialism (Nazi’s) formed as a workers party, co-opted my Hitler as it was. Current American neo-Nazi’s espouse none of those ideas, other than racial purity. Christian Purity, KKK, neo-Confederates, et al are absolutely on the far right of American politics.

        Saying that that the brand Nazi means the same thing 80 years later and a world away is silly. In 1860 being a Republican isn’t the same as today, for that matter it isn’t from 1960, 1980.

        • Well, then people need to start calling them neo-Nazis to differentiate. Not to mention, provide evidence that a group dedicated to reliving past mistakes is not a mirror of that failed ideology. Especially when people are so insistent that the Confederate flag cannot mean anything but what it once did (or rather, a specific instance of what it once meant as far as segregation vs. a battle flag)

          Here’s what it really comes down to, and why I take umbrage at the people throwing these adjectives around; they think they should be the only ones who get to decide who means what for everyone. They get to decide who is a Nazi, what a Nazi is, and anyone who tells them their a presumptuous and ignorant shit for making such declarations automagically becomes whichever boogeyman they currently hate the most.

  31. White nationalists; militia movements; anti-Muslim attackers; I.R.S. building and abortion clinic bombers; and other right-wing groups were responsible for 12 times as many fatalities and 36 times as many injuries as communists; socialists; animal rights and environmental activists; anti-white- and Black Lives Matter-inspired attackers; and other left-wing groups.

    • That’s true from the 1980’s on, but the 60’s and 70’s were just the opposite, with the Weather Underground etc. But most of the radical lefty’s of the 60’s turned into the Yuppies of the 80s, I just hope the current crop of 20 something idiots on both sides wise up.

      Quick fact bomb, don’t get face tattoos, that may make it kind of hard to get a real job once you realize that at 20 you too were an idiot.

      Also for the Antifa crowd, if your going to get in a nice friendly riot, why not take out the lip and nose piercings, I’d most certainly be yanking on those.

      • I’m guessing that figure also includes the Oklahoma City Bombing, perhaps the *only* terrorist attack on US soil to ever rival something from the hands of Islam, and frankly, one of a mere handful of documented large scale attacks perpetrated by groups that could reasonably be called ‘right wing.’ The SPLC stats tend to include every single crime committed by a white guy against a black for any reason as part of their ‘organized terror’ figures, as though some racist a-hole Bubba acting out is a sign of some secret lynchin’ brotherhood terrorizing the nation. The American Neo-Nazi party & etc should have a heck of a lot more money in their coffers given their supposed scale of influence.

        The only lynching I’ve heard of recently was that Civil War statue ripped down by a rope the other day.

    • Hey, they found the thread! Congrats, but even you know you’re full of shit. “Right wingers” are responsible for more deaths and damage than the weekly riots we’ve seen for several years now from you Communist agitators; uh-huh. I’d be interested to see how much broader your definition of “right wing violence” is than even the SPLC which is notorious for outright slander of peaceful groups that oppose its pet causes. What is fact, is that as obnoxious as even the Westboro Baptists were, they didn’t start nearly as many fights as antifa has, each and every place they’ve been present.

      “WHAT DO WE WANT? DEAD COPS!” “PUNCH A NAZI!” Yup, your boys are so fucking peaceful, with their bike locks, pink aluminum bats, pepper spray, knives, and concrete-filled soda cans. Ought to call yourselves the Party of Peace to go along with that religion.

    • Moral relativism is a pretty poor argument. Saying “My side may be bad but yours is even worse” doesn’t say much for either side. How about we just say “Killing and injuring our fellow human beings for your political point of view is wrong and a pox on both of your houses” and subscribe to that?

  32. Read my prior comments in the link to the older piece (Feb), what I predicted is now taking place.

    If anyone on OUR side ie. “the Right” has purchased “black” (is THAT “racist”? LOL) BDUs I would suggest ditching them and buying NATO Woodland/DPM/Digital Camo or the new pattern camo, you DON’T want to be mistaken for the AntiFa scum when the bullets start to fly.

    For those who say “AntiFa is nothing” I disagree, if you haven’t seen them or their offshoot Occupy in action firsthand (up close and personal) as I have in NYC you have no idea of the threat they present to ANYONE/EVERYONE who doesn’t agree with them, they are FAR more violent than portrayed by the media, their newest slogan is “Liberals get the bullet too”.

    As I have suggested before “prepare for the worst and hope and pray for the best”.

    Georgy Schwartz alias “George Soros”and his black-clad stormtroopers will NOT go quietly, they lost BIGLY last November and WILL pullout ALL the stops to regain power even taking our nation into a new Civil War to achieve their objective.

    Make no mistake about it cities WILL suffer as they should, they WILL pay dearly for electing the Liberals/Progressives (Marxists/Leninists/Trotskyites (Democrats) that approve of and have coddled these domestic terrorists.

    Suburbs WILL also be affected especially those that can’t close the entrances into and out of their locale. In my town of 20,000 a few large oak trees felled across the two state highways leading in, one to the East and the other on the West of town will serve as a barrier and make perfect checkpoints, preventing the rabble from entering except “on foot”. A typicalcommute to the urban area forwork may result in you getting pulled from your vehicle and being “Reginald Denny-ied” due to a highway blockade, protest, or traffic jam.

    Remember like the Spanish Civil War the Communists and Socialists used the Anarchists then the Communists and Socialists killed the Anarchists off and later the Commies killed the Socialists. Today the Commies (Marxists/Leninists), the Socialists (Trotskites), and Anarchists are the footsoldiers/stormtroopers for the Globalist Left and sellout RINOs, they will be done away with by their Globalist masters when they are no longer useful. Best we, the Nationalists and patriotic law-abiding Americans take stock of what’s occurring, keep an ear on the “REAL” news (online & radio) as the TV broadcast networks and print outlets WILL never tell the truth or whole story (remember Trayvon Martin and/or Ferguson?).

    #Lock & Load!


  33. John Boch says:

    “With a number of upcoming rallies organized by centrist or conservative groups in the coming weeks, the potential for violence grows. Especially where the police follow orders to stand down. One negligent discharge, one Antifa “martyr” shot by a gun, and the push for censorship will gain power and momentum. As will the left’s endless desire for civilian control – of all sorts. Including, of course, gun control.”

    That is why “the Left” whether BLM/LaRaza/AntiFa etc. (they are ALL “franchises of “the Left”) throws fireworks at police at these protests/riots. They WANT a fatality, they desperately NEED casualties. The often do-gooding, clueless, useful idiots that have aligned themselves with these domestic terrorists have NO idea that they are placed “up front” at the events to be used as “cannon fodder”, “sacrificial lambs”, “martyrs to the cause” they are ignorant of the fact the organizers NEED “victims” to be able to demonize law enforcement (and/or the opposition), claim “brutality” and portray themselves as “the oppressed”..

  34. It seems the media has almost as much trouble correctly identifying a car as they do a gun. From the pictures/videos it is clearly a Dodge Challenger that was used not a Charger…

    • Yep, a Charger would have been better as the front end has a bit more surface area for better leftist “crowd coverage” An F250 would have been the better choice against the crunchies.

  35. I gotta say, reading the comments on here has caused me to break out the popcorn and enjoy the read, it’s a roller coaster of ups and downs, of fallacies and truths, a microcosm of the nationally violent “debate”.

    Media is pumping up the national tension to aggrandize themselves, to advocate for seditious acts, to desperately erase the Trump Presidency, and blood is on their hands, but their new bedfellow of “righteous violence” is criminal. Where in the literal phuck is the Jeff Sessions Justice Department? He needs to un-recuse his sorry ascc and light a fire to start investigating, charging, and sentencing these people. I don’t just mean Antifa members, I’m talking about the real spinners of bullshyt, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Joy Anne Reid, hell the entire lineup of CNN, MSNBC, WaPo, NYT, etc, for their hand in manipulating the nation with their carefully crafted treasons.

    It’s time to step on Bezos, Soros, Bloomberg, it’s time to arrest Maxine Waters, it is time to nip this thing in the bud NOW before we start shooting each other, and then we’ll see American servicemen on the streets. I’m sorry but I don’t trust anyone enough to think that IF the shooting started, the military would side with “the people”. Some would, but too many would not, and my “proof” is all the times national guards and army units were called out to quell riots, protests, and strikes throughout American history. I understand that THIS time is different circumstances, but I’m just too cynical to believe that all will be well. I do hope that I comport my feelings with enough texture that you see how angry I am that the failed Left has taken up the mantle of Direct Action, and how dangerous it is if they’ve deluded themselves into thinking they can win a shooting war with the Right, and Independents.

    The only guarantee is that the events that have taken place so far, WILL be used by future Democrats to justify yet more Draconian 2A legislation. Time to break out the plate carriers, shine up them boots, and keep your eyes open brothers and sisters, and good luck to us all.

    • Are you not saying the same thing the left is saying in reverse? Censorship is their play book. The answer is the Truth.Ultimately its a matter of the heart. Don’t get dragged into the hate. This is not new. We must assess it objectively.Orwell had it right in 1984. He said this in 1948! ” Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.
      George Orwell, 1984
      From 1948 Scary!

      • I would agree with you that censoring the free speech of PRIVATE citizens is wrong, yet that is not what I am advocating, but I’m referring to paid for mouthpieces of a status quo of the powerful that spans the supposed political duopoly in America.

        Media figures, like those I referenced, are on a platform of fear, they deride, they accuse, they INCITE, which is what I am against and what I believe is illegal, and unprotected under free speech. These media figures are not simply citizens who are exercising their free speech, but corporate shills whose speech INCITES the violence of the Left, and calls it righteous, because the ONLY people brutalized by ANTIFA are supposedly ALL Nazi’s. To argue from the studios and news rooms of private corporations whose text, words, and voices, all call out for violence is strictly immoral, and illegal, and should be summarily dealt with by the Justice Department.

        I am talking about the employees of companies who profit from increasing the tension, rhetoric, and incitement to violence in America, and now have clasped ANTIFA to their chest, as “righteous innocents fighting against nazism”. That is disingenuous, and the level of mendacity in their daily coverage of politics is PUSHING us towards more deaths in the future. I’d like that to stop, just so, with the Left calling anyone who they deem is wrong = a nazi, also, anyone whose APPEARANCE looks suspect is automatically guilty of being a Nazi is INSANE, and I can’t support that in any way. What I can do, is be open to dialogue, be able to give respect to other citizens who may disagree with my political views, but I will NOT accept, nor allow the response of others to my views, my clothes (MaGa hat, etc) to be violent confrontation, because that will precipitate an equally violent response from me, until their threat is over.

        • Well, you had me nodding my head in agreement until you got to siccing the DOJ on those who would foment discontent. No, no, a thousand times NO. If we are to sic the DOJ on those with whom we disagree, who will be the arbiter of what is acceptable and what is not? The DOJ? Block committees? State legislatures? The federal government? Even the SCOTUS by disregarding the guidance of the First Amendment? Absolutely not. The Constitution is as perfect a document as imperfect men of their times could devise and it is the perfect foil to “the tyranny of the majority” which comes with each swing of the social/political pendulum. Yeah, it’s fine and dandy when it swings YOUR way – but what about when it does not?

  36. You EXPLETIVE DELETED don’t have to side with racists who pretend to care about the 1st amendment just because you care about your dumbass hobby. You idiots have never heard of ANTIFA up until a few months ago, and you built your understanding of the issue in an echo chamber of old scared suburbanites who still think “the knockout game” is sweeping the nation.

    You EXPLETIVE DELETED looked at the Nazis, and decided that the Nationalism was the good part, and that the Socialism was the bad part. Think about what you’re doing with your EXPLETIVE DELETED degenerate lives.

    What part of this crazy shit is “the truth about guns”? How the fuck are you going to defend the second amendment if you don’t even know what WORDS MEAN? Some of you are going to be in diapers soon and you still insist on seeing politics as merely two sides. You’re like a bunch of FLAME DELETED. and no the dumbfuck “Stalin killed 100 million people!” wikipedia article doesn’t count.

      • I’m just talking shit because I’m not going at 100 of you alone. When talking individually there’s a lot more mutual respect, but this almost seems hopeless.

    • You should turn yourself in for mental help before you show up at a baseball field with an SKS… you honestly seem like you have some serious, deep seated issues if a bunch of random people online can drive you to such anger.

    • Thanks for stopping by and reminding us why your sort won’t be missed (To be clear, I mean leftist vermin, not gays.)

  37. “Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right”.
    George Orwell, 1984
    From 1948 Scary!

  38. I look forward to a whole lot of larping idiots on all sides killing each other off.
    Fucking first world people bitching about third world shit. Go EXPLETIVE DELETED your girlfriends or play a sport or something. Maybe take FLAME DELETED to Syria, Iran or NK and help people who really are oppressed instead of pretending youre oppressed here.

    • Actually some on the left have in fact gone to Syria to fight ISIS. Can’t say the same of ancap dipshits on the right who are still here playing videogames and watching Japanese cartoons. They’re welcome to join and show solidarity however.

      Also, Iran on the same list as North Korea, really? You think economic sanctions just turn a country into some third world hellscape dictatorship?

        • So going to skip Saudi Arabia? Hoo boy this community has me all fired up with all this critical thinking. Clearly you’re CIA.

        • You’re clearly new, so maybe it’s not your fault that you don’t know there isn’t one regular on TTAG who likes Saudi Arabia.

  39. The ignorant and embarassing examples of ANTIFA activists are no different than their ignorant and embarassing counterparts in the old Tea Party. You all think you have the conspiracies figured out, but you’re missing the fact that the class war is fought through a proxy race war and you’re playing right into it. Both ANTIFA and Tea Party are a collection of regular disenfranchised people who feel left behind by the government, primarily for economic reasons. The social justice vs low taxes distinction is trivial. Both have embarassing loudmouth videoclips online, and yet both have a genuine concern for the well being of their community. Both make eachother uncomfortable by playing into left vs right fantasies. Don’t tell me the Tea Party folks didn’t have some rough bikers with them at rallies. That shit is nothing special or new.

    You’re outraged because some spooky boogieman group thinks they have the moral highground to try to harm you. But the reality is that they don’t want you, you’re not even a convincing enough racist, you’re just an out of touch goofball. What they’re really targeting is centralized power. So instead of being afraid and posting all this apocalyptic shit, try to strengthen whatever libertarian tendencies you have. You might find more allies than you thought you had. You know damn well that the hippies are too busy dancing interpretively to ever take your guns anyway.

    Stop getting played. Everytime libertarians think they’re exclusively “left” or “right” they get fucked.

      • I always figure that gay dudes who can’t stop talking about how gay they are just aren’t very interesting people.

    • I am starting to believe that those who fear big government and those who fear big corporations and big finance are seeing two heads of the same monster. I’ll go with you that far. And I don’t think it’s conspiracy per se. Just humans looking out for good old #1. Concentrate power in one place, and a-holes out to line their pockets or impose their will on others WILL gravitate toward it and misuse it, regardless of the original intent behind the creation of that central authority.

    • “Gay” are you? THAT’S a lot of typing you’ve been doing as of late, so many long-winded comments, it’s like you’re trying to fill some kind of “hole” (get it?)

      We will #MAGA, face it you CAN’T stop us.

  40. Count the torches… This supposedly giant national gathering of white supremacists turned out to be a few hundred basement dwellers with tiki torches. In a nation of 300 million, color me unimpressed. This would have been nothing more than a televised freak show had the elected officials and Antifa not turned it into the shit show it became.

    The media and leftists have spun this into an opportunity to attack their political opponents, from Trump supporters to run of the mill conservatives. Unlike the Antifa violence across the country, the scores of Americans killed by islamists, the Bernie supporter that shot up the Republican congressman and his staff, all of which were memory-holed post haste, they are framing this as a national crisis and evidence of some great fascist resurgence. All of which is of course horseshit.

    I’m a bit more concerned about the 30,000 assholes that showed up in Boston to shut down free speech. Granted it’s not hard to find 30,000 assholes in Massachusetts, but it’s still troubling you can fill the streets with people opposed to one of the cornerstones of our Democracy. It also illustrates just how dangerous and numerous the Democratic base is. If these people get power, you can pretty much kiss any part of the Bill of Rights that offends their feels good bye.

  41. “Granted it’s not hard to find 30,000 assholes in Massachusetts”
    Use the proper terminology. They are “Massholes”.

  42. you can thank the Demon-crats and most of all Obama for the denigration of the USA bill of rights, plus the abomination of using the governmental agencies too spy on people, deny people due process, cover up of misdoings and shear ineptitude, covered by the shuck and Jive Black racist! also the media for being infatuated with the first black President
    and giving away the freedoms of the people in the name of liberalism funded by George Soros , Micheal Bloomberg and other Anti American Billionaires wanting to destroy this Nation for their own personnel Gain,

  43. It’s not really a left vs. right thing as though this had something to do with economics or health care. This is about the fear of neo-Nazis and KKK types by the targets of those groups. If I were black or Jewish, I’d be alarmed too, because the alt-right is an existential threat. Auschwitz has changed everything. Forget Republican versus Democrat stuff. This is way bigger than that and is not confined to the borders of the USA.

    • Nazis and KKK lack influence, numbers, and power. Another strain of virulent collectivist authoritarian, those neo-Stalinists who often identify themselves as “progressives,” with ANTIFA and similar groups as their street-level shock troops, have the full backing and support of many elected officials, government bureaucrats, media, entertainment, unions, the majority public school teachers (and worse, those responsible for public school curriculum), universities, and some of the richest and most powerful business people in the world (especially in the tech industry, who control information flow on the web). On the whole, I strongly disagree with you regarding which group of reprehensible thugs represents the bigger and more urgent threat to a free society.

  44. This site finally outed itself as a Nazi-Symp site. Hilarious. The “Unite The Right” rally was comprised of:

    Among the far-right groups engaged in organizing the march were the clubs of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer,[20] The Right Stuff,[21] the National Policy Institute,[22] and four groups that form the Nationalist Front:[19] the neo-Confederate League of the South,[19] the Traditionalist Workers Party,[23] Vanguard America,[23] and the National Socialist Movement.[19] Other groups involved in the rally were the Ku Klux Klan,[4] the Fraternal Order of Alt-Knights,[23] the 3 Percenters,[7] Identity Evropa,[2] the Oath Keepers,[24] the American Guard,[25] the Pennsylvania Light Foot Militia,[26] the New York Light Foot Militia,[27] the Virginia Minutemen Militia,[28] the Detroit Right Wings,[29] the Rise Above Movement,[30] True Cascadia,[31] and Anti-Communist Action.[25]
    Prominent far-right figures in attendance included National Policy Institute Chairman Richard Spencer,[32] entertainer Baked Alaska,[32] former Libertarian Party candidate Augustus Invictus,[33] former Klan Imperial Wizard David Duke,[34] Identity Evropa leader Nathan Damigo,[35] Traditionalist Youth Network CEO Matthew Heimbach,[32] Rebel Media journalist Faith Goldy,[36] Right Stuff founder Mike Enoch,[32] League of the South founder Michael Hill,[30] Red Ice host Henrik Palmgren,[37] Right Side Broadcasting Network host Nicholas Fuentes,[38] YouTube personality James Allsup,[38] editor Daniel Friberg,[39] former Business Insider CTO Pax Dickinson,[40] Right Stuff blogger Johnny Monoxide,[41] Daily Stormer writer Robert “Azzmador” Ray,[42] Daily Caller contributor and rally organizer Jason Kessler,[43] and Radical Agenda host Christopher Cantwell.[44][45] Gavin McInnes, the leader of the self-described “Western chauvinist” Proud Boys group, was invited to attend but declined because of an unwillingness “to be associated with explicit neo-Nazis.”[46]

    The right-wing terrorist who tried to mow down a crowd of people with is car was there to “unite the right.” He was a known Nazi-symp as well.

    All ya’ll Nazi-symps need to be rounded up and shot.

    • You expect too much from morons who think Nazis hanging out with David Duke and RW groups and people who fight Nazis and are both left-wing. These people are stupid. Don’t shoot em, pity em, just make sure they don’t breed.

      • Nice try rewriting history commie. Nobody believes your propaganda. Go move to Venezuela if the concept of free speech bothers you so much.

      • We expect too much from morons like you who think Nazis aren’t left-wing, and the Marxist NEETs “fighting” them aren’t left-wing, either. You are stupid. We don’t pity you, either, nor should we. Soon, there won’t even be any of you left to breed, anyway.

        And good-fucking-riddance to you.

    • So if you are a conservative as opposed to belonging to any of the groups you mentioned above that makes you a Nazi in your mind?? If that is true then son I am sorry you have no idea about History and what the Real Nazi Party was about. They were above all else identified as Socialists who did not believe in God but pagan beliefs. They were anti-Semitic to a fault as we all know. They were made up of thugs just like the communists and used fear, intimidation and brutality as a means to get and keep power. There is no real difference between the alt right and the antics as they are all thugs who are using the common tactics of the 1930s to obtain power for their ilk and killing is an essential component of that. They Antigua and the left employ the concepts of Alinsky in first destroying the nation’s past history and rewriting to fit the narrative they need to de- legitimize everything that makes America Great despite her faults!

      Using the word”Nazis” is just a more vile way of calling regular conservatives with whom you disagree racists which didn’t have the impact you leftists thought it would because it has been so overused as to be meaningless.

      Many of the groups you mentioned above have many of the same vile attitudes that were present from the other side and like Germany you are now fighting in the streets. Both are extremists that have no place in a Country that allows for the free expression of ideas because that is frightening to both your groups. Both sides should just take your hate elsewhere. Learn more about the fact that in life people will always have different view points. It is through the free expression of those viewpoints that compromise is forged yet because the Lame Stream Media and the 1960’s and early 1970 radicals now hold the reigns of power that we are seeing this country torn apart. The silent majority is again being held hostage to your riotous behavior! These “demonstrations” are well orchestrated by puppet masters that find your combined ilk to be ignorant uneducated and easily manipulated. You will never succeed in extinguishing the torch of freedom! You both may dim it for awhile but like all things evil the likes of both sides always lose in the end!!

    • Note that our typing FLAME DELETED friend John has lumped a bunch of people who are decidedly not Nazis into his list of people who need to be shot. As I’ve mentioned before, those that are feeling OK with Charolettesville, because the Nazis got what they had coming, need to remember one thing; to John and his ilk, everyone that does not support their agenda is a Nazi and a legitimate target for violence. Make no mistake, there is a sizable violent authoritarian wing to the left, and they have just received a large dose of legitimacy from the press and establishment politicians.

    • “All ya’ll Nazi-symps need to be rounded up and shot.”

      Kinda proved the point of the article, there, didn’t you? R.F., the editor, is a Jew who lost family to internment camps in WWII. Not the first time I’ve seen a leftist zealot accuse a Jew of being a Nazi. My jaw dropped the first time I saw it, but I’m getting used to it now. Then you have Nancy Pelosi out calling people of color “white supremacists” because they have the nerve to publicly express conservative American values in the Bay Area. When the radical left says “Nazi,” they don’t mean actual Nazis, or even white supremacists. They mean anyone who disagrees with any particular of the radical lefts Current Truth. Which also explains why actual racists get a pass from the left as long as they publicly support the leftist agenda.

    • Except that this site is explicitly anti-Nazi, and you have absolutely zero evidence — empirical or otherwise — to the contrary. That’s what’s actually hilarious.

      You Commie-symp types, though, definitely need to be rounded up and shot — if anyone does.

  45. An obscene picture that actually shows a Right Wing Trump Nazi murdering innocent people by running them down.

    The removal of Confederate Statues is long overdue as they were erected mostly in the 1950’s and 1960’s during the civil rights move to give “the vote” to black people and other minorities which the Racist Southern Whites feared. It was also a time when people of color demanded the right to attend the school and or college of their choice, the right to sit anywhere on a bus or drink out of a “whites only fountain” or eat in a “whites only restaurant”. The Statues were put up to intimidate black people and to insult them as well.

    The Racist Alt-Right claims the statues are for teaching American History but in Germany it is forbidden to teach history by erecting statues of Adolph Hitler because statutes are not necessary to teach history nor should they be used to lionize racist monsters like Hitler or Robert E. Lee.

    Its interesting to note that after losing the war which was fought for the States Rights to own Slaves that many of the Traitors then emigrated to South America (thank God) where they picked up where they left off by enslaving the local population of Indians to be worked to death on new South American Plantations and those people are still there to this day and still celebrate slavery and the Civil War. Lets hope then never come back because we enough problems with their racist relations that unfortunately stayed

    Herr Trump (who tried to hide his German ancestry for years) proved to be a modern day Hitler and used the same race bating tactics Hitler used to seize power as well as being put in power through the corrupt non-democratic Electoral College which the disingenuous Founding Fathers Used because they feared a true democracy by what they considered “the unwashed” which included Blacks, Indians, Chinese, other minorities, all women and poor white men. Gerrymandering has also helped the Republicans by letting the politicians pick who votes for them rather than the other way around. It has recently been found the country of Iran has more democracy than South Carolina and there are lawsuits and moves to outlaw Gerrymandering in all States because it subverts the will of the people.

    In European Counties like France it is considered an inalienable right to give full citizenship to all citizens and any citizens no matter where they were actually born can and often do run for President and are elected by direct vote of the people which is true democracy. France does not have two classes of citizens like the corrupt U.S. has that prevents all of its citizens from running for President and the U.S. does not have direct elections by the people as they are considered too dangerous to give direct full democracy too as they would subvert “the will of the upper 1 per cent of the greed mongers that actually control and rule the U.S. They are called “the ruling families” i.e. the people in Congress that stay there for life in Congress.

    The Alt-Right (another name for modern day Nazi’s) are in rebellion for the loss of White Privilege and White domination of all political and religious institutions (Protestantism). They long for a return to the “good old days” of racism, bigotry and prejudice so that there were two sets of laws. One for the privileged Whites and another for minorities and even all women as second class citizens. Today if we include Latino’s 40 per cent of all Americans are not of the W.A.S.P. racial or religious background and this has panicked the Far Right Nazi’s as the view everyone else as “not true Americans” and they view everyone else by a term they call “the other” . True Nazism at its worst and they are proud of it.

    Rafael Cruz as well as Mark Rubio (both Latino’s) came very close to being elected President which shows how integrated the Latino’s have become in modern day America and this has panicked the Far Right Racists. Just as Benjamin Franklin once raved “that so many Germans were coming to America that America was doomed” so too the Far Right Today is saying similar things about Latino immigrants. Both Statements are ridiculous and laughable and history proved Franklin’s statement as laughable as todays Far Right bigotry against Latino’s.

    There are two schools of though in regards to preventing the Far Right from going full blown Nazi and restoring White Supremacy and White privilege. The majority, a big majority of Normal People (Liberals) still believe in the Gandhi type non-violent protests that through the news media expose the Far Right Nazi Philosophy of hate bigotry and prejudice. The Second group is very, very small but prone to violent action by taking on the heavily armed Nazi’s with the same firepower and weapons they have, which unfortunately would result in civil war, at least for a brief period of time. Of course the Military would then move in and they have already stated by 5 of the top Military Brass just this week, that they do not support the Far Right Nazi’s and when you lose support of the military even Hitler knew you had no chance of taking power. Hitler went to great lengths to get support of the Military before he started WWII and the Holocaust which the Far Right this week was shouting that they wanted once again. Military support is something the Far Right has little hope of achieving as the Military relies on mostly poor, uneducated lower class working minorities like Latino’s who are the very people the Far Right Hates the most. The Far Right Nazi hate of minorities is what dooms them from the start as this would deplete the cannon fodder the Military relies on for using in its wars of rape, pillage and conquest.

    In another 20 years America will be dominated by Latino’s and command of the Spanish language will be mandatory to get a job in many parts of the country that will be controlled and dominated by them. Already in Florida and some parts of California if you do not speak Spanish forget getting hired for a job. Twenty per cent of Floridians speak no English at all. They have their own TV Stations, Radio Stations, places to shop etc. This is nothing new in places like Europe where command of several languages has been normal for decades. French, English and Spanish are often spoken by many Europeans. America will have to learn how to do the same and fast if someone wants to be able to advance in tomorrows America. As Johnny Carson said before he died, “Nothing lasts forever” and I might add that the “old White Racist dominated American era is already long since over so deal with it”. You are going to have to like it or not. To the Far Right Racist I say “Hasta La Vista Baby” you are on your way out.

    • Destroying historic monuments is a form of censorship – pretending something did not happen or happened to someone else instead. It’s a way to cope with one’s guilt without embracing it. Same thing with the nazi symbols – the very fact the Germans rushed to destroy them tells me nazism is alive and well – in a dormant, unconscious form. Don’t you love it how democrats refer to their own ugly past when blaming white people for slavery, ignoring the fact that a lot of white people fought against it.

    • Admit it Mr. I mean Ms. “Resistance” alias “CiscoKid”, aka Shannon Twaaaaaaaaats or is it Smith Mountain Lake’s Andy Parker, the FAILED “actor”, James Alex Fields is a “victim”, he was about to be “Reginald Denny-ied”, brutally dragged from his vehicle, beaten and killed by your brethren, AntiFa and their Revolutionary Communist allies, when he fled one pack of violent Leftists only to literally run into another mass of black-clad refuse marching and blocking a street WITHOUT a permit. Fields WILL be acquitted as he should be, he WILL get the care he needs after all he’s one of the “privileged” ie. “psychologically disabled” (your kind champions them, wants them released into society, mainstreamed without stigmatizing them just like Bryce Williams).

      We MUST all remember that the Connecticut Supreme Court has ruled the 2nd Amendment does NOT only apply to firearms, knives, batons, stun guns etc. are also “protected” and by extension so are vehicles I mean how else would someone defend themselves from a violent mob of hundreds of crazed, chemically impaired Leftists efficiently other than by using their car or truck?

      The fact remains that blocking streets, impeding traffic, damaging vehicles, and trying to brutally assault drivers/passengers IS a crime, if you don’t want to get mowed down stay on the sidewalk where you belong.



    • Well we’ll we’ll. The return of Billy the Frisco kid. I figured the transgender in you couldn’t resist another long winded trolling attempt. Sigh…… But I digress. This time it’s the Latin in you that vomits forth. Seriously, which is the real You? It’s always the same with you. If you don’t like something It’s Nazi blah blah blah. I guess when you live in a trailer everything and everybody is a Nazi. Well, that’ll soon be over. The alt left, penis cutting, sharia loving hyenas will find out that if you pull it out, you better use it. Unless you live in a trailer. Oh yes, and regarding the take over of the U.S. by Latinos, you understand that the “pure” Latinos are white. What will you Do? Little man?

  46. I don’t see white supremacists as a threat. They haven’t infested govt institutions, like leftist commies, and they are not intimidating anyone or trying to shut down free speech. The last time they had any power in this country was with democrats in charge and democrats are now in a full commie mode. The commies will call everyone who disagrees with them a nazi, so they can justify their existence and crackdown on free speech. The least bloody solution would be to quickly execute the leadership of the democrat party, media and Soros types (the disenfranchised plankton could join the US communist party without much loss). Illegal perhaps, poisonous if used for any extended period of time, consider this chemotherapy. Of course, nobody wants this, we’re civilized people, we’ll keep kicking the can down the road, like the French in 1935. But then it will be much bloodier. People hate to feel guilt, they need some justification first – shown in Hollywood movies all the time.
    Again, the problem is not ideology – supremacism or globalism, the problem is the totalitarian methodology which is a real threat to our freedom.

    • For all you’re bloviating you showed your true colors of hate! Racism is practiced by every color of man because hate is universal so take a look in the mirror becuase you are doing exactly the same thing for which you condemn others! That is called hypocrisy!

        • Seryozha, stop playing into the Columbine kid thing, you know school was already hard enough, you don’t have to go through the rest of your life like that. Put down the Japanese cartoons and helicopter memes and instead direct that energy towards actually helping people.

          Pretending to be an internet psycho isn’t going to help the 2nd amendment any. You’re ruining it for the rest of us.

        • Oh you’re addorable. I do direct my energy to helping people. Removing communism from the face of the planet IS helping people.

      • @Keith

        Like I said, hate is not an issue (hate is a big deal for those who try to hide it). I am discussing a preemptive strike against tyrants – to save children.

        And surely, you don’t suggest tyrant is a race, do you? You need to unlearn your pavlovian reflexes if you want to be taken seriously.

        • How sweet and noble that you are doing this to save children. BullSH!t! You are nothing more than a hater who justifies your “goodness” by thinking that your brand of hate is better and justified. You are no better than those You think you are better than!

  47. Cisco Kid said in part “Its interesting to note that after losing the war which was fought for the States Rights to own Slaves”

    They fought for the right to secede and form their own country..I don’t deny that the reasons included slavery and self determination. I also don’t deny that the Iraqi invasion was about WMDs but then morphed into Iraqi Freedom. See how that works, not unlike 1862.

    So, a simple question then.

    Does any State as a member of the United States have the right to secede right now 2017?

    Forget the practicality and all the other details because those are deflections and distractions,

    it’s a Yes or No answer.

  48. Not a fan of Antifa, but…

    If you believe that “purported Antifa manual” is legit, then your hat needs more tinfoil.

    Gotta admit, the coffee stains were a nice artistic touch, though.

  49. I like posting in places like this instead of communities on the left. It’s cool how people here are scrambling towards the very last few things that they still identify as conservative. It looks like homophobia is out, you’re all embarrassed of being associated with racism, so you’re trying to downplay institutional racism and weasel your way out of that too. Unfortunately we can’t be friends yet because you’re still in your weird holocaust denying UFO lizardman conspiracy communist takeover phase.

    In a couple more years you’re going to make for some good 2nd amendment loving progressives. Just my type.

    We’re going to play bingo together, FLAME DELETED go to the range, and join the Industrial Workers of the World union and the Libertarian Socialist caucus of the Democratic Socialists of America. It’s going to be terrific, I love you all.

    • Get out of here commie. I was born in the Soviet Union, your claim of a “conspiracy theory” might hold water if ANARCHO-COMMUNISTS WEREN’T THROWING ACID AT PEOPLE IN THE FUCKING STREET. Just remember little liberal, at the end of the day, the revolution always eats itself. One way or the other it doesn’t end well for people who join antifa. They either hang for treason when they lose, or they get a bullet to the back of the head for being politically inconvenient when they “win”.

      Oh, and the only person denying genocide here is you. Run along to Venezuela if you think Che and other commie vermin did nothing wrong.

      • There’s no way you were born in the Soviet Union, you can’t possibly be older than 15.

        • Yes… that’s why my avatar is from a 1995 show with only a small cult following in the US. I’ll give you a hint. I’m old enough to have seen the show on TV when it first aired. (and old enough at the time to know the apocrypha the author cribbed for 90% of his plot)

          Son, I’m probably old enough to be your father. FLAME DELETED

  50. I started driving with lyft last week. I’ve picked up 8 fares, all black passengers. One commented that I was the first white driver she ever had. Everyone was nice. We talked. We each said thank you after the drop off. I grew up with, went to school with, and work with a large black population.
    Yet I was appalled at this message sent to all lyft drivers in the aftermath of the Charlottesville clusterfuck.
    I responded to lyft questioning why they did not send a similar message regarding Antifa, Black Lives Matter, or Islamists.
    They sent me a dear John letter basically saying we don’t need your kind around here at the same time touting “inclusiveness”

    • Michael you seem like you have a good character but you’re sympathizing with the wrong people. You’re trying to defend a group that doesn’t believe in the free speech that you’re trying to protect. You don’t belong to any one group, they’re exploiting your white working class demographic for influence. The runes and aryan symbols aren’t there by some strange coincidence.

      If these free speech demonstrators identified with bestiality or pedophilia you wouldn’t be trying to find some moral middle ground between the opposing sides. They’re playing the same game that prison gangs do, they’re trying to make it seem like you’re one of them, which you’re not.

      • …and again, dear commie, you miss the point. People who believe in free speech don’t care about the content of said speech. The 1st amendment doesn’t exist to protect popular opinions.


      • You do realize that the mods on this site fully support free speech don’t you? If they didn’t most of your comments would have been deleted.

        • The mods of this site are actually very tolerant of opposing viewpoints. I didn’t think I’d get more than one post in without being IP banned or something.

          They’re a little sensitive to profanity and a few other things, but that’s understandable.

      • I stopped reading after being accused of sympathizing with anyone.
        Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit when you have an agenda to push.
        So you can go fuck yourself.

        • My agenda is that you’re not a Nazi.

          I don’t know why you’re pretending to be ignorant.

        • Your “agenda” is actually falsely accusing him of sympathizing with filth, knowing full-well the entire time you’re even thinking it that you’re absolutely wrong. He is not. He is simply asserting the irrefutable fact that 1.) the First Amendment has no “hate speech” clauses, and 2.) visiting violence on those who didn’t visit violence on you first (as is undeniably ANTIFA’s [as well as the entirety of the black bloc itself] exclusive MO at every single event they’ve crashed) is wring, regardless of the reason.

          Try maybe watching this if you’re still confused as to how discourse is supposed to work in a Republic, which you very clearly are. You use your words, not your fists **(unless and until they start using their fists on you of course). This is literally kindergarten-level shit we’re talking about here which you apparently either never even learned in the first place or purposely forgot. It’s what has also been repeatedly pointed out to you all across this page but you either out-right refused delivery and returned KNOWINGLY false accusations, or just simply flat-out chose not to address it at all and conveniently ignored it.

          Either way, you need a refresher course. Here you go. Take it or leave it, that’s on you, but you can’t say I didn’t try.

        • Addendum: I can also guarantee-fucking-tee you that even if this protest-turned-riot-by-the-left were between advocates of bestiality and pedophilia, he still would absolutely be vehemently defending the rights of both sides to speak and protest and march and petition in public.

          YOU, however, apparently would not judging by your own rhetoric.

          Also, as an aside, “endgame capitalism” doesn’t include PMCs doing wealth redistribution, either. Nor do you have any evidence — empirical, theoretical, or otherwise — to support this kind of demonstrably-false-on-its-face lunacy. Oh, and only ones even envisaging any “utopias” here to begin with are you and every other statist troll that bothered to roll in hot on these comments, and get thoroughly shot down as you ought to be, too.

        • Wait so none of you guys sympathize with Nazis, you just deeply care about the first amendment rights of people who happened to attend an event organized by Nazis because they have the same politics.

          And the real INJUSTICE here is that the Left has received preferential treatment in the media, while really they’re just as bad as the Nazis.

          So when the last of the Communists were fighting the Nazis in the streets in 1933, they should have looked to pacifism? And you also want me to learn about representative democracy from an anarchocapitalist, who just said that national borders are a good thing. And I’m the statist?

          Whatever, at least I’m not the one who’s gonna get drone bombed by Cornflakes.

        • “And the real INJUSTICE here is that the Left has received preferential treatment in the media, while really they’re just as bad as the Nazis”

          In a word…yes.

          And you conflate the meaning of the word Statist with Nationalist.
          Statist is that antonym of Federalist.
          Globalist is the antonym of Nationalist.

        • “If their ideas were so bad you could easily dismantle them” – your Ancap absolutist Molyneux referring to Nazis exercising free speech

          What if I were to tell you that there are people who don’t think that their ideas are all that bad? They watch Japanese cartoons, post in comments sections of firearms communities and scapegoat immigrants and the poor.

          I don’t see a whole lot of dismantling going on. Maybe pwrserge is on to something?

        • Copy/Paste:

          In the first extract, “Critique of the Marxist Theory of the State,” Bakunin, without specifically naming Marx, nevertheless lays the groundwork for attacking what he saw as Marx’s “statism”.

        • Also, the political in-fighting between Communists and Nazis had already reached a peak of physical violence in 1933. You keep raising, and quite deliberately mind you to avoid actually addressing any points made, circumstances that are not at all analogous to the concepts now being practically spoon-fed to you. Slowly. In small bites. Unless and until someone visits violence on you FIRST, you have absolutely no right whatsoever — PERIOD — to lay hands on anyone else. Why in the hell would you even dare try to tie that to open and physical hostilities that have for a fact already moved well beyond that point?

          I’ll go ahead and take the liberty of answering that for you: you just plain don’t have a counter-argument, you never did, and you still don’t.

          Oh, and I want you to learn the basic tenets of civil discourse from a voluntaryist who accepts the current political reality of state borders, and understands their level of usefulness to us as we are now. And, yes, yes you are the statist seeing as how you have a penchant for agreeing with those who want to stifle free speech who also happen to have the backing of those who wield the levers of state power.

          But, whatever. At least I’m not part of the problem in that I actually understand the vital importance of defending the free speech rights of everyone no matter how reprehensible their message is. Oh, and I also don’t levy knowingly false accusations of supposed “sympathy” for filth like neo-Nazis, either, and still up this moment adamantly refuse to field any evidence whatsoever to support such accusations — as you do and have. (I also won’t be drone-bombed by Cornflakes.) :]

          What if I were to tell you that the people you claim to think that the Nazis weren’t so bad don’t even come here, let alone post here, and no one here even scapegoats immigrants or the poor, either?

          And even IF they did, which they don’t, they don’t get to stay very long.

        • First they came for the Nazis, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Nazi.

          Then they came for the Pedophiles, and I did not speak out—
          Because I was not a Pedophile.

          Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

          – George Washington

        • No for real though, I think your fundamental free speech and pacifism thing is cool. I just think there’s more to violence than direct action. I believe that poverty and systematic racism are forces that are just as violent.

          I do agree that punching “possible, maybe Nazis” is horribly stupid. But ANTIFA isn’t here to make friends with anybody, black bloc isn’t something that’s there for anyone to agree with, it’s just something that’s done.

          What’s ridiculous is to throw “the left” under that banner, which is my main problem with this article and comments section. DSA and IWW are not ANTIFA. Hell yeah there’s gotta be some overlap, but you’d be a nutjob to insist that it’s the same thing.

          Edit: I’m posting here too much

  51. *sigh* Just start the civil war and be done with it. Since you fine folks on the right are so oppressed by the ‘socialist’ left….get it over with. This way the rest of the world can watch your country burn and use you as an example to teach our children what willful ignorance can do to a nation.

    You are being played. You are being purposefully divided. And you are allowing yourselves to be sucked into the angst, without questioning. You’re picking your team, and somehow you’ve convinced yourself (or, more accurately, have been convinced) that you must win, even if it comes at the expense of your integrity, civility and common sense.
    If it weren’t so terrifying to watch it would actually be comical.

    Here is a hint for you; democracy is what happens in the give and take between the right and the left, not because of any one party. Try to remember that the next time you attack your fellow countrymen just because his thoughts don’t match your own.

    • Democracy is the deluded notion that 51% of illiterate peasants are right 100% of the time. Forgive me if I don’t see the European approach of importing terrorists by the millions as a viable alternative.

      • pwrserge is literally a fascist in every sense of the word

        has anyone here ever read his posts? the dude thinks you’re too ignorant to govern yourselves

    • Here’s a hint for you. Stay out of American politics because you don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.
      We are a Republic not a Democracy.
      Second, attacking fellow Americans for theit beliefs is how you save the Republic. Judge the man by the content of his character rather than the color of his skin.
      This is why we don’t like Islamists. This is why we don’t like Comunists. This is why we don’t like Anarchists. This is why we don’t like Nazis.
      You have to fight, and kill, and die sometimes to maintain a free society. It doesn’t happen automatically.
      Here’s another hint: your Utopia requires more killing than my Republic.

      • Michael, your utopia is no less savage than any other, you’re just not on the receiving end yet. For now you’re enjoying mowed lawns and great prices. You’re a consumer, not a target. But endgame capitalism is where the private military companies do all the wealth redistribution.

        It’ll take a few decades, but I recommend you start teaching your kids Chinese.

        • I don’t believe in Utopia. See, I am a realist.
          Republics are flawed. Know why? Man is flawed. But for man to be his best and for all of mankind to benefit, there must be an environment that allows freedom. But freedom comes with responsibility. Some fail, some succeed. Life is a struggle. Aways has been. Always will be. Government is not the answer to your needs. Capitalism is the best provider for the needs of humanity as long as there are enough people willing to work for it.

    • Dear Ghost. BOO! Actually what happens in the “give and take” is Europe. That is, the enslavement of European peoples by immigrants from – you guessed it, the Muslim east. But so what? Pedophiles, rapists, and terrorist running the continent ain’t so bad. Look at ISIS.
      And while the elite class of Europe hides behind the veil of a socialist democracy aka the NAZISM the rest of the general public will live under Sharia law. Which I’m sure you’re masturbating over.
      Unfortunately for you there will be no civil war. Just an interruption of politics. Just be sure to bend way over when the prophet Mohammed asks you to. LMAO

  52. No for real though, I think your fundamental free speech and pacifism thing is cool. I just think there’s more to violence than direct action. I believe that poverty and systematic racism are forces that are just as violent.

    I do agree that punching “possible, maybe Nazis” is horribly stupid. But ANTIFA isn’t here to make friends with anybody, black bloc isn’t something that’s there for anyone to agree with, it’s just something that’s done. What’s ridiculous is to throw “the left” under that banner, which is my main problem with this article and comments section. DSA and IWW are as ANTIFA as the Tea Party is to the KKK. Hell yeah there’s gotta be some overlap, but you gotta be a nutjob to insist that it’s the same thing.

    • Yo the globalist lizardpeople keep making posts disappear and reappear on here. I already deleted this duplicate.

      And don’t get too excited about that comparison. The racists target whole races so there’s a difference. Nobody’s hunting your ass.

      • Nobody, huh? Tell that to the psychotic jackwagon in the picture above running people over with his car.

        Or perhaps to ANTIFA and their ilk, who go rallies for the sole purpose of hunting “Nazis.” 😛

        Or shit like THIS:

        We are all being hunted, now, it’s just a matter of whether of whether or not any of us are in someone’s cross-hair yet. All we can do is be prepared as we can be.

        • Excedrine: The people being run over are members of Industrial Workers of the World and the Democratic Socialists of America.

          Are you in either of those groups?

          The guy doing the running-over was a Nazi, you can confirm that with Fox news or even your “Lifezette” or whatever that is.

          So again, nobody is targeting you, unless you’re a racist. Are you a racist? If you are then I have some bad news, you might get your ass knocked out if you go parading with violent racists. If you do happen to be a racist and you’re concerned for your safety, I recommend keeping your racism to the comments sections of right leaning websites. Don’t be going outside with that shit.

          If you’re not a racist then you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Afterall, I talk to George Soros all the time bro, I’ll put in a good word for you, don’t sweat it man.

        • Except that they’re not targeting “just racists.” They’re targeting literally everyone who doesn’t think exactly like them. “Liberals get the bullet, too,” is ANTIFA’s slogan. You can even confirm that with Faux Snooze, Lifezette, Clinton’s “News” Network, or just about any other lamestream media source.

          This includes you.

          Whether you think so or not is irrelevant and immaterial, by the way. Unless you’re a hard-core communist who brooks no dissent from The Party Line(TM), they want to use any means necessary to either silence or destroy (READ: kill) you.

          So, as I’ve said, we’re all being targeted. You, too. It’s just a matter of if and when we land in someone’s cross-hair for coloring outside the lines.

        • If you can identify someone involved with ANTIFA who wants to hurt you, let me know. I’m not even kidding, I would call them out. Most are anonymous, some are false flag agitators, but if you ever encounter one online somewhere, please let me know.

          If you don’t have one on hand right now then maybe we can exchange info or something, I honestly think it would be interesting to debate anyone ignorant enough to threaten you.

  53. i dont get it. the guy ran into the antifas killing one was a nazi supporter, and yet this article is still about the violent left???? looks like someone is having trouble calling a spade a spade.

    who ever is pulling the strings is getting exactly what they want: this entire country divided.

  54. It does not matter, left or right, the socialists will use either as an excuse. More blood the better. One is not all. The few can screw the many.

  55. As a black gun owner and believer in the Bill of Rights, I will NEVER support the anti-klan groups.
    I saw homosexual rainbow flags, red communist flags, antifa flags, union signs. All of these groups want to take my guns away.

    I say let the confederate statues stay up. Because THEY ARE COMING for George Washington and Thomas Jefferson statues NEXT!!!!!

  56. I don’t see either group as a threat. Most of them are embarking on a future of failure where they will toil endlessly to pay for the over-priced “higher-education” that they’ve wasted complaining about things that have absolutely no bearing on them anyways. They’re also not much of a threat to me because I won’t be there… I have no time for their nonsense.

  57. Can we please identify James Fields, a registered Republican who voted in the November election as the driver of the car pictured plowing through the crowd.

    John Boch, Its a shame that you are using misleading articles that have nothing to do with firearms on a firearms related platform to push your political views. Your articles are trash.


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