http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPHsDX8ooSs
The people crusading against Florida’s Stand Your Ground (SYG) law readily admit that SYG had nothing to do with the Zimmerman or Michael Dunn cases – and then blame SYG for Trayvon Martin’s and Jordan Davis’ death.
Commentator Dennis Trainor Jr. [in the video above] does the SYG two-step with the best of them: “They’re also angry at the ALEC-written Stand Your Ground laws that – while it played no direct role in your not guilty verdict – played a very direct role in the culture that empowers you to cruise around packing heat in the first place.”
So even if the law’s right, it’s wrong. Over to you, Al Sharpton . . .
“To have laws that tell people that they can shoot first and then ask questions later is a violation of our civil rights. I believe that law is inherently wrong,” Sharpton said before the march began. “The law in effect says based on your imagination — if you imagine I’m a threat — you have the right to kill me.”
Sharpton’s misrepresentation of the facts was so blatant that ABC News felt obliged to sum up the actual law in their otherwise obsequious report on the march.
“Florida law says people who are not involved in illegal activity have the right to stand their ground and meet force with force, including deadly force, if they reasonably believe it’s necessary to avoid death or great bodily harm.”
The bit that the protestors always seem to miss: it’s up to the police, prosecution, judge and perhaps jury to decide what constitutes a “reasonable belief.” Truth be told, SYG is a logical, indeed relatively minor extension of “common sense” laws regarding the use of lethal force. It simply removes the obligation to retreat from a lethal threat and protects victims from civil lawsuits after a successful adjudication.
Which make one wonder what exactly the anti-SYG protestors are protesting about. Oh wait. Racism.
“What the law is actually saying is this country doesn’t value the life of black and brown kids. We want our kids to understand their lives are equal value of anybody else life,” the elder Martin said.
Quick question: what was the point of the Civil Rights movement? I thought it was a crusade by African-Americans to claim the economic, political and personal freedoms enshrined in the United States Constitution. To my mind those “civil rights” include the Second Amendment-protected right to keep and bear arms.
At what point did that noble crusade turn into a mindless jihad against a law that protects all Floridians from violent assault, regardless of their race, creed or color?
The way I see it, the SYG march was a cynical attempt to paint African-Americans as victims. In some ways, it was successful. Which made it a miserable failure.
Several states have what are called State Defense Forces.
Heck, we have a Military Department in California. It has 5 parts. The Adjutant General, the National Guard, the State Military Reserve, the Naval Militia, and the California Cadet Corps.
Under CA law the National Guard, Military Reserve and Naval Militia are considered active and organized militia. There is no dual enlistment requirement, so one can join the CSMR without being in the national guard. The Cadets are a HS program, where they train and drill. Yes, in California, we have a branch of the militia that is in high schools training kids with rifles. You won’t see it in urban areas though. The LASD forbade it from the campuses, and have lost funding from the state every year since that because of that.
All males 18-45who are not members of the California Military Department are considered part of the unorganized militia and may be called upon by the governor to active status.
BTW, the Naval Department lost all its ships when the Wilson administration seized them. Now it is just lawyers I think…
Ok TTAG, I’m done here. Someone let me know if this bµll$#it is over.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.
As is typical of government quagmires, the militia has slowly been deprived of equipment and freedom to assemble that it desperately needs to be well regulated. Government creates a problem and then points to that problem as pretext to solve more of the “problem”.
sic semper tyrannis
Nurses aren’t authorized to diagnose (nps being the exception)
yes.
I for one am looking forward to trying this product. I eat organic, I clean my house with chemical free and citrus free products. Why should I have to tolerate cleaning my guns with toxic chemicals. Why a product like this is only now reaching the market seems like a crime. I hope I’ll soon be treating my guns to a non-toxic clean.
The aroma doesn’t smell like Hoppes? Well then, it doesn’t live up to it’s namesake…
I don’t really see much difference in SYG or DTR. If I have the ability to retreat/resolve and still use deadly force I’m pretty sure my defense wouldn’t hold up under SYG either, but at the same time if I can’t retreat, and I’m forced to use deadly force my defense would hold under either. In the aftermath it just changes who has the burden of proof, but if you situation was legitimately justifiable, it should hold under either statute. Of course I support SYG completely because of the defense against antis in the aftermath trying to crucify you.
I am sorry but George Zimmerman appearing at a gun show just seems tacky and inflammatory to me. My opinion is this: The man made some foolish decisions. Those decisions have cost another person their life and ruined his. George Zimmerman should be the example of what gun owners & carriers do not want. He was found Not Guilty, indeed he should not have been charged with a crime but his life is a shambles and his choices helped make this so. Please leave the public eye George Zimmerman, you are not helping Gun Owners or yourself.
The man was protecting his neighbohood while others cowered in fear and the jellies ignored the crime spree. Regrets? He may have a few, but he did it his way and never looked back. Rock on, GZ.
Like I said again and again Liberals think and talk in circles.
Leave IL ASAP! I spent the first 21 years of my life there but left nearly 22 years ago and haven’t regretted it since.
One of the few things I love more than guns, is dogs. So much win in this picture.
I used to drink beers like this, until I discovered Belgian ales. Stuff like this still has its place, though, like on extremely hot outdoor days, when it’s like drinking lemonade, but for adults (not much more kick than lemonade, though).
He’s wrong. I’m the militia; you’re the militia. All you need do is declare yourself to be militia. Some of you don’t want to be seen as militia. But that’s your problem, not mine.
God, I’m so thrilled with some of the recent court rulings coming out of CA regarding our gun rights. Having lived there for 14 years, I never thought I’d see such things (NorCal tends to be more pro-gun, but SoCal has significantly more people and tends to be extremely anti-gun), but these victories are major ones. I think concealed carry is probably the most important aspect of our gun rights, and probably the one most antis want to see abolished the most (though they focus on civilian versions of assault rifles because that’s the low-hanging fruit). The fact that CC laws have come so far in the last few decades bodes extremely well, especially given the challenges of anti-CC laws in places like CA and IL.
I’d still recommend caution in your enthusiasm. It could be we’re being set up.
He so right ON base….it’s a passively-construed ND story, and when gun ownership is restricted, people have no idea what they’re handling and how to handle it safely. All that is accurate….but doesn’t negate feeling sorry for such an unfortunate event.
Zimmermann needs to move to somewhere that doesn’t know or care about him and shut up and live his life and count his blessings.Sharpton needs to do the same thing!
Bought a new PM9 and had to send it to the factory immediately. The slide was so tight that it was impossible to rack without both hands and straining till the face almost blows up. Tried disassembling it but would require 4 hands.
Just got it back from the factory after a little more than 2 weeks. A little easier to rack than before. Don’t dare trying to disassemble it. No time to try shooting yet.
I only read a few comments here and there on the slide tightness. Not a gun for those without gorilla fingers.
The factory rep was cooperative.
From the people who brought us “Operation Fast and Furious!” Guess they don’t like competition.
FOID cards are the state’s way of Dad letting you have the car keys or stay over your friends house. As long as you make your grades, mow the lawn and take out the trash.
Speaking of taking out the trash, nothing will change in IL until politicians start losing their jobs. You don’t need certified conservatives, meek liberals who are busy taking from the productive and giving to the non productive will do as long as they don’t mess with 2A rights.
The fiscal situation in IL will neuter the liberal spenders soon enough.
I know cops who would turn in their badges before enforcing this law. I know cops who can’t wait to start shouldering through doors. Both sides are pretty passionate about the issue, which means they could start fighting amongst themselves over differences of philosophy. So, now you’ve turned tens of thousands of people into felons, you’ve inspired the ire of gun owners from coast to coast and you’ve caused rifts within police departments across the state. If this one turns ugly, it will likely do so in a variety of new and exciting ways. Nifty friggin law, Connecticut lawmakers. You may go down in history, after all, just like you always wanted.
It is ironic that Watts comes from one of the most gun-friendly states in this country. Kind of explains her desire to stick her nose in every other state’s business.
From the Reason piece:
“By contrast, the lower courts have endorsed a “Hobson’s choice,” requiring otherwise law-abiding gun owners to either hand over their property “or continue exercising their constitutional right to possess the items in violation of the law, subjecting themselves to criminal penalties.”
Sounds a lot like CT. Hopefully Justice Kennedy will see the wisdom of de-fusing the same powder keg in CA, that the wanna-be cool kids in Sunnyvale copied, from the wanna-be cool kids in CT- the Dem Gov and state legislators who unwisely set THAT one up to blow there.
Where do we the people find these prog-tard nitwits who believe “They Know Best for All the Rest of Us?”
Having just read the article about Kalifornia and Justice Kennedy possibly considering the emergency motion to put the magazine ban on hold, I have to ask if a similar emergency motion has been filed in this case? It would seem that AR’s that get destroyed, especially ones set up for competition (very expensive), is a considerable reason to block this. Of course, there are many other reasons but I’m just interested in the answer. Is there anything like that in the works?
Oh shit…. Even if it’s ridiculous, I can’t help but think that Bloomberg is somehow behind this. Their press release certainly smacks of “smart gun” bullshit.
From its web site regarding its small arms business: “An earthquake of failed capital has shaken America’s mainstream gun manufacturers leaving few resources to bring their product lines into the 21st century. Consolidation is expected to continue in both manufacturing and distribution and GDSI is determined to take a key leadership role in resolving long-standing debt, upgrading plant and equipment and streamlining the flow of armaments from manufacturer to point of use.”
And:
PRESERVING AND ENRICHING ICONIC BRANDS
They won the West and have been an important part of American life for over 150 years. GDSI is committed to ensuring these enduring brands continue and continue to be the best America can build.
I can’t post the image, but it includes Freedom Group. Colt, Savage, HK, Ruger, S&W and SigSauer.
we could always just make them in our garage, i got plans for a cool bolt gun and a nifty auto. but then i would have to burn through a bunch of spare parts and barrels before getting to building my own. but then practice make perfect.
the forge is at the right temp gotta go.
Well, whatever they intend to do, they are serious to the tune of 1+Billion.
It don’t sound good to me.
I like how “Background Checks” is in quotations. Jokingly, I feel like it’s saying “background checks…riiiight.” *wink wink* using that pretense to lead to unrelated uncommon sense laws.