New from SilencerCo: a 50-state legal suppressed rifle! Furthermore, there’s no NFA wait time or tax and, in most cases, the Maxim 50 muzzleloader can be ordered online here and shipped right to your door. More info and photos from SilencerCo follow:
For the first time since the National Firearms Act (NFA) was created in 1934, civilians can enjoy suppressed shooting in all 50 states with SilencerCo’s latest innovation: the integrally suppressed Maxim 50 muzzleloader. In addition, this product can be purchased right now on the web with no regulation (no 4473, no $200 tax stamp, no photographs, and no fingerprints) and be shipped immediately to the customer with few exceptions.
In addition to producing hearing safe sound results, the Maxim 50 also offers shooters greatly reduced recoil and a 2/3 reduction of smoke emissions when compared to non-moderated muzzleloaders. No matter where you are in the country, you can buy your Maxim 50 online through the SilencerCo store and enjoy shooting suppressed.
*The first 3,000 Maxim 50s sold will ship with a limited-edition, all-weather carrying case.*
Maxim 50 Frequently Asked Questions doc is available here and the owner’s manual is here (see page 63 for suppressor cleaning info).
As an avid flintlock shooter, I must proclaim this as witchcraft, an abomination to God and nature.
Also, neat.
Too bad I don’t do muzzle loaders 🙁
So since this is a muzzle loader, are sbr laws not a thing either? Can someone make their own suppressed muzzle loader without being charged with intent? What constitutes as integral (ie. why can I not pin/weld a suppressor to my centerfire rifle and call it integral)? So many asinine questions, so many convoluted answers!
IANAL but:
Yes, you can have a barrel of any length you want on a muzzle loader. A Short Barreled Rifle has to be a Rifle, and a Rifle has to be a Firearm. A muzzle loader is not legally a Firearm.
Yes, since a flash hider pinned or welded counts for barrel length, a pinned or welded suppressor would also count for your barrel length. However, that’s all it would do for you under the NFA. An integral suppressor is still a suppressor if it’s attached to something that is legally a firearm, even if you made the firearm yourself (unconstitutional as hell that last bit, but FDR’s congress and supreme court passed it so here we are.)
If you actually wanted to build your own muzzle loader with integral suppressor (including pinned or welded), yeah, legally that’s okay. Not that ATF wouldn’t arrest you and take you to court anyway. You might have better luck if it was mechanically integral (i.e. a monolithic part of the barrel) but probably not. ATF doesn’t actually know anything about the things it’s been made into law enforcement for.
That’s cool.
Does this mean I can make and install a can on an existing muzzleloader? What size threads for a 15/16″ octagon barrel? Any ideas for an octagonal suppressor?
You can’t use cartridge rifles to hunt in IL. One of these on the other hand………….Wow some libs are gonna be pissed. Look out for the law.
5R rifling cleans more easily, but can be easily damaged by cleaning rods. The Russians played with it in WWII. In the US, it was made popular by Boots Obermeyer, of benchrest barrel production fame. You used to have to order 5R barrels from Boots alone, but now there are several custom barrel shops offering cut rifling 5R barrels in various configurations. You can get 5R barrels from Krieger, Bartlein, etc. today.
5R barrels have been used in the benchrest community for decades. Obermeyer developed the 5R rifling scheme to:
1. Reduce powder fouling in the corners of the cut grooves. 5R (real 5R) barrels don’t have a rifling groove that looks like this: |_|. The 5R groove profile is more like this: \_/ , which Obermeyer said led to reduced jacket failures, easier cleaning, etc.
2. However, because there is a narrower land “peak” , you should be more careful cleaning the barrel. Don’t use those stupid segmented cleaning rods that the military uses. Use a quality, one-piece cleaning rod, preferably made from good stainless steel, that is wiped down every time you put it down the bore. Use a rod guide.
Now, as to issue of barrel life: that will depend upon the loads being put through it, and how careful the shooter is in cleaning it. Plenty of rifle barrels are ruined by people who don’t give a rat’s rear end for proper handling of a cleaning rod, or they use those POS segmented military cleaning rods, etc. The other thing that affects barrels rapidly are those people who just can’t bring themselves to lo shoot modest pressure/velocity loads. There are some people who have as their only criteria for their reloads “Faster!,” their starting point is the “max load” column in a reloading manual, and they shove more and more double-base powder into a cartridge to maximize velocity, which will minimize barrel life, which leads to burning up the throat in the barrel – sometimes in as little as 800 rounds for the people who load really hot cartridges, especially those cartridges that are overbore.
5R barrels haven’t been found “more precise” (or “accurate” in the common lingo), but they are easier to clean completely, and they result in fewer jacket failures. Since BR shooters are usually quite fastidious about cleaning, anything that makes cleaning easier gets some attention. You can still shoot tight groups with a 4 groove, 6 groove, or even a 2-groove barrel. I have no problems shooting nice groups (a tad more than MOA) with factory-issue 2 groove 1903A3’s when I load them with high quality bullets, modest loads and I do my part. Remington found during WWII that their 2-groove barrels were slightly more precise (accurate) than the 1903’s 4-groove barrels.
Being that this barrel is hammer-forged, it probably won’t compete in BR and F-class with a single-point cut rifle barrel (5R or otherwise), but this is a pretty nice result for a factory rifle that could be made even nicer with reloading with high quality bullets. That said, the thread protector on this looks like crap, and from what I’ve seen, this is a spray-on/bake-on paint finish.
None of this 5R stuff is a secret to those who have been paying attention to the OFWG’s in the benchrest community for, oh, the last 40 years.
Still boycotting H S Precision. So, no dice on the Remington.
Note: One would expect TTAG to know about this stuff.
All suppressors are illegal to possess in NJ under 2C:39. Class III dealers in NJ cannot stock suppressors or short barrelled rifles or shotguns (machine guns and sub-machine guns yes, those, no). Black powder weapons are also considered firearms in New Jersey. Suppressors will not be shipped legally to any individual or dealer in NJ. Does not matter if you stuck it on the end of a pellet rifle (also considered a firearm in NJ). Still illegal.
Thomas J. Morris III
Major USMCR (retired)
Member NJ/PA/OH Bars
Former NJ Firearms Law Instructor
Gloucester Co. NJ Police Academy (26 years)
Former Assistant Prosecuting Attorney
Gloucester Co. NJ
Treasurer NJ Association of Firearms Retailers
Owner – Eagle Point Gun/T.J.Morris & Son
From what I’m hearing, the law is similar in NJ. It may be the case that, while this Maxim 50 is Federally legal, it’s illegal in a handful of specific states. Unless SiCo knows something we don’t, I’m anticipating some “clarification” coming soon.
…this reminds me of the binary triggers that fire on pull and on release. They were advertised as 50-state legal until it was pointed out that WA defines “machine gun” as firing more than one time per cycle of the trigger, not per trigger pull. Turned out there were similar definitions in other states and the manufacturers had to scale back on where it was and wasn’t legal.
Sounds like crispy creme should have done something about the second amendment while he was governor.
And he wonders why no real conservatives trust him.
Perhaps it’s time to enforce the law of the land.
Now that I think about this a bit, this may not be a good thing. Right now the antis keep telling us that suppressed weapons will increase crime. So now, all the criminals are going to buy these super silent, undetectable, concealable .50 caliber assault muskets and create indescribable carnage. To date, the antis have maintained that muskets are the only thing covered by the 2A – now they are gonna want to ban those too.
Nope, just NO. If you have probable cause to believe I am a felon in possession inside my home, get yourself a warrant. You will NOT get permission from me to search my home.
So some POS gang banger by another gang banger was killed with a illegal gau, not by responsible gun owner.
Anyone know if a 250g projectile on top of their recommended 100g of powder is supersonic?
…asking for a friend.
Ok, looks like it’s north of 1400fps.
Obviously you could reduce powder or go up in projectile mass to go subsonic I .
I agree. Neat!
So, 9,100 cases and only 500 arrests? Doesn’t sound like a good place to spend your tax dollars. Also, arrests doth not equal convictions. What are those figures?
That was my thought exactly. That’s almost a 5-1/2% arrest rate. I’m guessing there’s a reason they didn’t mention the numbers of convictions – probably below 1%. They also didn’t mention how many of those 4100 seizures were warranted and how many were taken from people who were legally allowed to own them, or how many they took from law abiding citizens and refused to return.
NO. If they do, I suggest a posse of equal or greater size to intercept them at the address of proposed confiscation.
I suggest a posse of equal or greater size, to intercept such a team. I’m willing to die trying to keep them. Are they willing to die trying to take them?
Are you a prohibited person?
I wonder if they’ll make a version that fits the NW states’ legal requirements for muzzle loader hunting (iron or fiber optic sights and the cap being substantially open to the elements).
What’s the maintenance procedure on this one? Black powder is pretty corrosive and many muzzle loader get cleaned with soap and water after use?
Not only do I boycott, I trash them on TripAdvisor.
Too bad the Republicans in power don’t think it is the time to push for this legislation. Guess they assume they are gonna continue to win in 2018 and 202 despite that Trump’s approval rating is in the garbage.
It’s now or never and right now, it looks like never is their option. I’m sure the Republicans will wave this nice carrot in front of us come 2018 though just like they always do.
No, you misunderstand. The team doesn’t do blind checks on prohibited persons hoping to find their guns, they have a system that regularly cross-references new convictions, adjudications, etc against the state firearms registry. Then it spits out a list of people to “visit”. Career criminals who don’t register their weapons are quite safe from this task force.
The real story, or at least it was a few years ago, was how many people are in this list that the government just hasn’t gotten around to, yet. We’re talking thousands of names, people the government knows have guns illegally, but just can’t be arsed to enforce the law against.
I just checked their 2016 report. It’s not as bad as previous years, but still over 10k known armed prohibited persons outstanding.
Make that 49-state legal, not 50-state legal.
It’s definitely illegal in New Jersey, where black powder muzzleloaders, BB guns, and pellet guns are all considered “firearms”, require Federal Form 4473, and are illegal to suppress. NJ bans all “silencers” or suppressors on EVERYTHING the state of NJ considers a “firearm”, including airguns and muzzleloaders!
The NJ State Police has already stated that anyone in NJ with a suppressed airgun (BB gun or pellet guns) is guilty of a felony. That’s a shame because many airguns come with factory suppressors built into the barrel, and it’s also sheer lunacy because airguns are already quiet, so having a “silencer” or suppressor built into the airgun’s barrel is more of a sales gimmick than anything else!
Crosman makes a cute little $99 “survival airgun”, a single-shot pelletgun, with a barrel less than 16″, that is also illegal in New Jersey also as an SBR “short-barreled rifle”, because SBRs are specifically banned by NJ law also!
~Written from behind enemy lines in the People’s Republic of New Jersey!
Why not use water cutting or laser cutting?
Sorry for your loss little bro, but what America needs is not gun control, but thug nI66ér control.
Is the “Armed and Prohibited Person’s Firearms Confiscation Team” confining it’s activities to a few large population centers? Just how large will this group of thugs have to be to cover the entire state? The Golden Shower State may have to use the Clockwork Orange model of law enforcement if they want to force full compliance given their current financial difficulties.
I prefer the approach taken in New York, Connecticut and Colorado. Those state governments simply ignored widespread noncompliance and lied about the efficacy of their new laws. This tact is much less costly, both economically and politically.
The federal felony flatrate ban in nfa act 68 should repealed and states can choose who banned ore not !!
Kind of get the feeling SilencerCo just put the ball in motion for a change on blackpowder guns being “firearms”. I will not be happy if they fucked this up.
Chicago/Cook County already have an assault weapons ban.
This is a personal and personnel problem with the SChitcago REGION.
There better not be one Fing peep from the “We’re F’d up, we need to fix you” crowd up there. They can go to hell, and I’ll help them pack.
As for BART incident, If the perps are American’s I’ll speak Spanish and say No Habla, if Latino I’ll hit them with German, Nichts Spreachen but a good old faint or heart attack routine works as well.
Should all states have an “armed and prohibited persons” firearms confiscation team? Answer: no.
If someone is so dangerous that we do not trust them with firearms, then we also should not trust them with cars, gasoline and matches, rope, hammers, sticks (clubs), chainsaws, kitchen knives, nor hands and feet. (Criminals used their hands and feet more often than rifles and shotguns to murder people last year.)
In other words, if we cannot trust a “prohibited person”, we cannot trust them and they should be in prison or banished from our nation.
Not so obvious: we all should be armed for self-defense because a LOT of convicted abusers, robbers, rapists, and killers — quintessential “prohibited persons” — are no longer in prison and walk among us.
i’ve fired their mutant. solid.
i’m thinkin’ .22-250 myself. i don’t want semi for varmints.
so they ask permission to enter and search first? then its the idiot citizens fault for letting them in without a warrant.
And what happens when I refuse to let them in to check. Since there is no warrant they have no legal purpose to be there
Chicago bangers mist be behind. Rappers have been repping the “gunship” (a car with a large rear seat and lowerable rear windows, complete with a thug with an AK) for a couple decades.
“…when that window come down and that AK come out/
You can squeeze your little handgun til you run out/
You can run for your backup
but those machine gun shells gonna tear your back up…”
(Apologies to 50 Cent if that isn’t a verbatim quote)
Trust me, you need to run 6.8 spc out of a 6.8 spc mag
You guys have a special desk in your office just for deals?
Still waiting for something better for me that the simple galco stow n go.
Like Liberace coming out of the closet, I think IWB, and other cc’ers out there need to reality check themselves with respect to “printing”. All y’all print more than the NYT. Most carriers print or provide YUUUGE tells. Might as well push back on your state until you can achieve ‘open carry’ and go comfortable with a shoulder holster. It’ll hold two + spare mags, a small flashlight, a small money belt, and nowhere near half of the crumbs from your lunch sandwich and chips as that thing on your hip.
Ya know how to put it on? Stick both arms thru from back to front and easily lift it over your head. Un-ass it in reverse. Kydex? Nope, soft Nylon and maybe some Rayon. Wear it to bed? Yep. Wear it for bed-ops? Yes. Wear it while swimming? Sure. Comfortable? Uh Huh.
Highly recommend IMI Razor core 77 gr OTM
Uh, I’m pretty sure the media’s gonna latch onto the Baton Rouge white guy wearing a Boy Scouts shirt who murdered two black guys on a spree while spouting “Nazi stuff” and bought a silencer for the assassinations (the details will likely change as the story unfolds, but that’s the gist at the moment)
And here’s a bit of good news for non-American gun owners, as well as US gun makers:
“The Trump administration is preparing to make it easier for American gun makers to sell small arms, including assault rifles and ammunition, to foreign buyers, according to senior U.S. officials.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-weapons-exclusive/exclusive-trump-administration-prepares-to-ease-export-rules-for-u-s-guns-idUSKCN1BU2N8
Finally, it’ll be easier to get things like spare parts for warranty repairs, along with optics and other stuff.
A reason to buy a lever .410? Same reason I buy a lot of my guns. Just cuz.
I live near York. My cousin is a York city cop. York is garbage. You know why there is so much crime in York? Drugs. My small rural town has opoid problems but no where near the level of violence of York.
Yeah I dunno, I read that article and basically that ladies whole story boils down to I let a loser cum inside me…