Senate Democrats’ Latest Attempt at National Firearms Registration

Senator Robert Menendez

U.S. Senator Robert Menendez, D-New Jersey (AP Photo/Petros Karadjias)

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Sen. Bob Menendez [D-NJ] has filed Senate Bill 3299, a bill to repeal certain impediments to the administration of the firearms laws. As of this writing, the bill’s text is not available, but early indications are that this is a straight-up firearm and gun owner registration move.

Per Menendez’s press release the bill is aimed at:

  • Ending the prohibition on the ATF from releasing firearm trace data for use by cities, states, researchers, litigants and members of the public;
  • Ending the requirement for the FBI to destroy all approved gun purchaser records within 24 hours of approval;
  • Ending the provision that makes it extremely difficult for ATF to retrieve firearms from prohibited persons who are mistakenly sold guns or from gun owners who become ineligible to possess guns;
  • Ending the prohibition on ATF requiring gun dealers to submit their inventories to law enforcement;
  • Ending the prohibition on public disclosure of data on multiple handgun sales, as well as gun sales information dealers are required to keep that may be required to be reported to the U.S. Attorney General for determining the disposition of one or more firearms in the course of a bona fide criminal investigation.

All of those records gathered, kept, and indexed amount to a complete registration system of firearms transferred through federal firearm licensees.

Bear in mind that the House has already passed HR 8, the Bipartisan Background Checks Act of 2019, also known as universal background checks.

So should these bills get traction in the Senate, this would eventually result in the registration of the vast majority of firearms sold since the Gun Control Act of 1968 went into effect.

Notably, this would not track the estimated 3.5 million-plus stolen firearms that are in circulation. As always, the violence-enabling victim disarmers are only out to control honest people, and their legislation is deliberately ignoring actual criminals.

A full analysis of the Menendez bill can’t be done until the text is posted, but the press release makes this sound like not just registration, but gun owner doxxing, since the records would appear to be available to everyone.

That would, of course, include dispassionate academic “researchers” like Garen Wintemute, who’s famously been tracking them for years.

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  1. avatar GS650G says:

    How about we make it expressly illegal for scumbag senators to go on sex tours with Medicare fraudsters.

    1. avatar Miner49er says:

      Can’t do that, the sex tour prohibition would take down Rush Limbaugh’s medal of freedom.

      Of course, you could create an exemption for him and his pals for their Honduras sex tour, just ask AG Barr and he’d say “OK for trumps buddies!”

      1. avatar cgray says:

        Didn’t realize Rush had been elected to the Senate. Huh.

      2. avatar GS650G says:

        Did you sit in the front of Jefferey’s plane with Bill Clinton or were you in the back getting handjobs?

  2. avatar Dwight Hansen says:

    This combined with a red flag law & goodbye 2A.

    1. avatar Ross says:

      Really, you do realize that the 2A does not guarantee you the right to keep and bear arms, this right has always been. Even if the 2A was repealed you would still have the right, government nor man grant rights, if this was so then they could take these rights away, rights come from God.

      1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

        ^^This^^, each and every time it’s said. Each and every time. Because no matter how often, there is still someone who walks into the room and starts with the “but muh 2A”. The 2A speaks only to the Gov to tell it what it CANNOT do…

      2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

        That’s true. But violating those rights tends to lead to spilled blood, sometimes in massive amounts. That’s why such violations are to be completely off limits.

        The Second Amendment isn’t about creating the ability to spill blood, it’s really about warning off wannabe tyrants like Melendez so that bloodshed can be avoided.

      3. avatar Miner49er says:

        “rights come from God”

        Which god are we talking about here? Zeus, Shiva, Thor? Or is it Mithras or Molock?

        I’ve checked the Constitution of the United States of America and I can find no mention of any God, so I’m really confused.

        Perhaps you’d be kind enough to offer some evidence to support your assertion that these rights come from a God, could you be more specific?

        1. avatar I Haz A Question says:

          Um, Miner…right there at the end of the document, just before the signatures:

          “…by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven…”

        2. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          The philosophical argument about the role and purpose of government (to protect rights) is laid out in the Declaration of Independence.

          A “right” is an objective moral claim. (“It is always wrong to…”) In order for such a thing to actually exist, there has to be a universal moral standard that comes from outside of humanity. (It doesn’t take much reflection to realize that humanity is not morally consistent.)

          Morality is the kind of thing that requires a mind. (For example, “ownership” is strictly conceptual, not physical.) This can be seen with a simple thought experiment: “A creature enters a structure and carries out an object. Is that a moral act, an amoral act, or an immoral act?” Think about the kind of questions that occur to you as you attempt to answer that question. Almost every single one will require the ability to think.

          There are other aspects that are involved as well. For example, morality involves obligation, which can only be to a thinking being.

          Bottom line, in order for there to be a universal moral system, there must be a mind outside of and superior to humanity capable of defining such a system. And that is the basis of Rights as used in the Declaration, and around which our Constitutional Republic was designed.

        3. avatar Miner49er says:

          Hazy, nice try with that date year of our Lord thingy! But that has nothing to do with the Christian deity being recognized by the document, that’s just a date reference.

          Or do you believe that Saturday means the day we worship the god Saturn or Sunday is the day we worship the sun god or Thursday is the day we worship Thor?

          I did find in the constitution language indicating there could be no religious test for any office or position of trust in this document so there’s that specifically excluding religion from the government of America.

        4. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Wow, what way to twist “don’t ask, don’t tell” (which is what “no religious test” means) into “ask and exclude!

          Your prejudice is overriding your reading comprehension.

        5. avatar GS650G says:

          “I’ve checked the Constitution of the United States of America and I can find no mention of any God, so I’m really confused.”

          Well they couldn’t have foreseen every idiot or heathen that was come along. The people who founded the country you take for granted didn’t realize how specific they needed to be.

          That goes for the rest of the rights you are confused about .

        6. avatar Miner49er says:

          “a mind outside of and superior to humanity”

          Interesting, do you have some sort of empirical evidence to support your claim of a mind outside of humanity? And what specific measurement tool did you use to determine that this mind is superior to humanity?

        7. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          It’s a pure logic argument about something that has no physical substance. What “empirical evidence” do you think could be possible? Did you even try the thought experiment?

        8. avatar Cliff H says:

          Well, Miner, if yours is the measure it’s a low bar.

          The Constitution specifically refers to “endowed by their Creator” which leave room for everyone to choose their own deity to praise or curse as the situation warrants.

          And for those with no deity in mind their creator might as well be their Daddy, whether they are certain who he was, as may be your issue.

        9. avatar EWTHeckman says:

          Cliff,

          “Endowed by their Creator” is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. It’s not a legal document, which is why the Left can pretend that it’s meaningless.

          Of course, that pretense is to run away from the fact that it states the foundational principals that the Constitution is based on. In addition, the Bill of Rights is meaningless without the source of Rights as defined in the Declaration.

  3. avatar Chris T in KY says:

    Se. Bob Menendez (D) is as big a moral degenerate as former congressman Paul Ryan (R).

  4. avatar Geoff "Andrew 'Dice'" PR says:

    “A full analysis of the Menendez bill can’t be done until the text is posted, but the press release makes this sound like not just registration, but gun owner doxxing, since the records would appear to be available to everyone.”

    I’m hard-pressed to think of a better way to start real trouble, than to do that.

    Is this what they *really* want?

  5. avatar Truckman says:

    I can see him not returning to DC for another term and no way this making it to Trumps desk

  6. avatar Green Mtn. Boy says:

    Eff the Commiecrats !

  7. avatar Prndll says:

    The process is the weapon. They can continue spitting out bills on the thought that something might actually stick to the wall.

    Once the NFA got set, it got set in stone.

    I’m wondering if the right battles are being fought.

  8. avatar Jay in Florida says:

    Bob Menendez is such a degenerate human being he belongs locked up permanently.
    Besides being such a fine example of humanity.
    He can take his registration ideas and shove it where the sun dont shine.

  9. avatar Rusty - Molon Labe - Chains says:

    I like the idea of tit for tat legislation. When they propose crap like this, I would like to see a bill for the removal of something like the Hughes amendment, or GCA 68, or the NFA. I want our side to piss down their back and tell them it is raining. F’em!

    1. avatar Hannibal and the Elephants says:

      Move to overrule Roe every time they come up with nonsense bills like this. Do it for the children.

      1. avatar LazrBeam says:

        Yep, if it saves just ONE child. Tit for tat, Roger that.

      2. avatar Hannibal says:

        Except you would alienate millions of people who don’t care about clumps of cells with such a stupid move.

        1. avatar Texican says:

          Except those clumps of cells are a developing human. And whether they care or not, God does and he’ll remember and reward accordingly.

  10. avatar N64456 says:

    Menendez is a fucking pedophile that should be in prison… He would be if his staffers hadn’t bribed jurors

    Fucking cockroach

    1. avatar Prndll says:

      Quite a few Dems should be serving time.

    2. avatar Ron says:

      And a damn state prison too. Not some cushy federal ride. He needs to be in a regular old state penn in gen pop.

      1. avatar Hannibal says:

        Heh? Federal charges are MUCH more severe than most states. Good luck getting time off for “good behavior” in federal prison. As for “club fed” anyone who would get that sort of security would probably get probation in NJ state court.

    3. avatar Miner49er says:

      According to trump, that’s sort of moral degeneracy will qualify you for a Medal of freedom, congratulations!

      “JULY 6–Rush Limbaugh was traveling with four other men–including the producers of the hit show “24”–when he was detained over a mislabeled bottle of Viagra found in his luggage during a Customs search, records show.

      A Department of Homeland Security passenger manifest shows that Limbaugh and his four buddies flew from the Dominican Republic on a Gulfstream IV jet owned by Premiere Radio Networks, which syndicates his radio program.

      Limbaugh returned to Palm Beach, Florida on June 26 with Joel Surnow, “24”‘s co-creator and executive producer and Howard Gordon, another of the Fox hit’s executive producers (Hollywood agent Jeffrey Benson was also part of the Limbaugh quintet).

      With all those guys in tow, it is unclear what the radio host needed with the 29 100mg Viagra pills listed on a seized property receipt.

      The passenger manifest was among several documents released today by the Palm Beach County State’s Attorney in response to a TSG open records request. Included in the material released was a copy of the handwritten statement Limbaugh provided investigators after he was detained upon the discovery of the impotency drug.”

      Rush and those fox TV producers sounds like a wild Bunch, I wonder if any of them attended Trump and Epstein’s parties?

      1. avatar GS650G says:

        Well you can vote against Mr. Limbaugh in November.

        Oh Wait……

    4. avatar GS650G says:

      One of the jurors asked the Judge just what does a Senator do.

      Stay classy NJ!

  11. avatar Wally1 says:

    They just don’t think it can happen, this is how revolutions start!

  12. avatar VetoGuy says:

    This may get out of committee, but I doubt it’ll leave the Senate. If it does, the House will most certainly pass it, so we need to hope for a Presidential veto.

  13. avatar VetoGuy says:

    I think the is just more busywork than anything. They are proposing something to use a political club. I just can’t see they’ll get anywhere beyond that.

  14. avatar Gene Forsythe says:

    Actually, this doesn’t bother me in the least. If, in fact, it bothers you then you need to reconsider your own firearms purchasing and ownership plan. 1. I reload, and now have a lifetime supply of everything I need to shoot and reload all my stuff for the next 25 years. 2. Starting with the nonsense in the 1980s with “assault weapons” I have slowly been been getting rid of everything I had purchased “legally” from an FFL dealer after 1968. AND I have bought nothing over the counter since then. I have always been able to find the handguns I was interested in (including STI, Infinity, and several other high end ones) and the rifles I wanted via undocumented personal sales. Yep, that means I have had to work and search and sometimes pay more than retail but no records and no chain of custody tracking possibilities means I don’t have to worry about this crap. I understand all the comments above, but I seriously believe the demoncrats are going to take power at some point and my NRA life membership and ILA and 2nd Amendment Foundation contributions (which ARE trackable) will cause me enough trouble.

    1. avatar Mark N. says:

      There is always a chain of custody, even if it does not exist in a dealer’s books. The guy you bought it from might have kept a record such as a bill of sale with your name on it, or a memory of who you were. If he bought it from an FFL, you can be found. The only “untraceable” firearms are those that have been stolen.

      the latter always made me wonder about the whole tracing thing. The ATF can trace from the manufacturer to the dealer, to the first sale. Then they have to talk to the first buyer, and the second buyer, and the third….But once that firearm is stolen, there is no way to trace the firearm to a specific person, i.e., the person who used it to commit a crime. I have asked the question many times: if you cannot trace to the criminal that possessed it at the time of a crime, what is the point? there never seems to be an answer. (And I can imagine why not: no one wants the charade to end.)

      1. avatar Gene Forsythe says:

        To a certain extent you are correct. However with older (ahem, “classic”) weapons initially sold before 1968 there are generally no available records of the initial sale that are searchable or even discoverable. Perhaps more importantly, you will find that many (if not most) of these weapons have at least one (or more) of the intermediate owners that are deceased, breaking any possible tracking of ownership transfer.

        FYI, dealing on a personal level with estate executors BEFORE final inventory and estate sales can be a very beneficial thing.

        To my understanding, as a former FFL manager for a club on a military base with continuing relationships with the BATF(E), the whole thrust of the “tracing” thing has always been to look for “bad apple” FFL dealers who are involved with multiple incidents of shady sales to shady people. That’s also why the multiple sales reporting requirements were established for the southern border states – looking for FFL holders participating in straw sales. All of the agents I ever talked to said that tracing had nothing to do with solving a crime, after all, they already had the firearm in hand that committed that crime. Instead it was identification of preceeding crimes, such as straw purchases or sales by a given FFL dealer.

  15. avatar grumpster says:

    Screw the democrats. They let the cat out of the bag this year when they were all tripping over each other to show they had the most draconian gun bans in mind during the primary season. Every firearm owner with half a brain understands that the democrats end goal is near total ban and confiscation of firearms and of course registration is needed to find out what subjects own firearms and exactly what they own. Their plan is to sound generous and let you keep what you already own as long as you register it and then later on tell you they changed their mind and fork it over or else the storm troopers pay you an unannounced visit.

  16. avatar possum tracks says:

    Perhaps electrodes to the genitals until these infiltrator’s spill the beans on who theyre working for.,,,, One a happy note someone threw away a half of cheese pizza, plus a pallet was stacked up against the trash Dumpster, easy peezy pizza Pie

  17. avatar Hannibal says:

    Background noise to try and drown out his own criminality.

  18. avatar GunHole LoopShow says:

    God Damn these people and their never ceasing efforts to disarm the populace. It’s all so tiresome.

    1. avatar Toni Smith says:

      we need to make it tiresome and possibly even dangerous for them. Throw up bills that outlaw such bills as they try to propose in a way that makes them personally liable to severe jail time and asset forfeiture for simply proposing them. If any bill removes ANY natural right from anyone without FULL due process of law and with an actual crime with a victim (cant be the state), any politician who dares put their name to it does 20 years minimum for example

  19. avatar Pissed libtardo says:

    Get out the vote. Life long Dem voting red for the second time in November

  20. avatar possum and the Coons of Doom says:

    It’s three ties on 90 lb rail and five on 120. Someone mentioned 10 ties, That is with pulling the ties completely out. Pulling the spikes on ten ties is what I think that other sanitizer was talking about.

  21. avatar DCJ says:

    In a country of 300+million people and even more firearms, it doesn’t take much to break a chain of custody. Yes ideally, everything would be off the books but it’s not completely necessary to have guns without records.

  22. avatar RedFlagRising says:

    At least The People have a few brave souls willing to fight for their freedom.

    The People are tired of corrupt rich elite corporatists ramming things down their throat.

    Which is why The People are ready for President Bloomberg, who came up from the rear and is rising hard in the polls and is willing and able to pound away on these issues.

    You cant keep Bloomberg down, he is up and will finish on top.

  23. avatar Ken a saw says:

    Who votes for these pricks, somebody is voting for them. And then this is
    what you get with them. Their song and dance hasn’t changed and won’t change.
    Look back in history. This will tell you. If you vote for the democrat you, we all have to deal with their dipshitery. Sorry for the language but it’s the same thing over and over again. Frankly, I’m tired of hearing about these people and from these people. If they really are people. Sometimes I think they must be aliens from another planet. Thanks.
    God Bless America

  24. avatar BusyBeef says:

    what a piece of shit

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