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Self-Defense Tip: Stand Your Ground and STFU

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On one hand, bravo! As kjrh.com reports. Charles Sweeny defended his home successfully. The armed American put criminals in his neighborhood on notice that they face aeration should they attempt to rob him or, by extension, people like him. Mr. Sweeny’s no-PTSD proclamation may encourage other law-abiding Okies to take up arms in their own defense. As well they should. On the other hand, Sweeny’s muy macho mea culpa gives ammunition to gun grabbers looking to promote the idea that firearms owners are, to a man, trigger-happy Clint Eastwood wanna-be’s. Meh. But why rattle the cage of the perp’s pals? And consider this: the real danger to these post-game pronouncements lies in a court of law, not in the court of public opinion . . .

In some states, so-called Stand Your Ground laws prohibit a civil action against a citizen cleared of criminal culpability in a defensive gun use (DGU) where the state deemed the shooting was justified. Mr. Sweeny’s Oklahoma is one of those states. Here’s the no-money shot from the OK with me statute:

F. A person who uses force, as permitted pursuant to the provisions of subsections B and D of this section, is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes charging or prosecuting the defendant.

If however, you don’t live in Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, California, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming, you could be facing a civil trial for a shooting, regardless of criminal culpability.

And maybe even if you do. And, lest we forget, George Zimmerman was cleared of all charges before he was charged with Murder 2. All sorts of strange things can happen in that strange world where politics, law and money meet. The safest bet: STFU after a DGU.

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Robert Farago

Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). He started the site to explore the ethics, morality, business, politics, culture, technology, practice, strategy, dangers and fun of guns.

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  1. Short answer: Nowhere.

    Why? “We’re not going to tell you anything because it will prove civil rights advocates right and the obstructionist gun control lobby wrong, so fuck you and stop asking already.” That’s why.

    I dunno about anybody else, but that’s the sentiment I’m getting here. Just glossing over the fact the police outright refuse to release because truth equals inconvenience, and soothing the unwashed masses by drawing the attention to a stigmatized building and then demolishing it to calm their frazzled nerves.

    No amount of FOIAs or lawsuits is ever going to change the fact that that report will never see the light of day without being redacted and altered to the point of being an outright fabrication — and that’s IF we ever see it at all.

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  2. Because education implicitly supports the existence of a firearm. They don’t want gun safety. The really even don’t want gun control. The truth is they want guns gone. Education toward safe storage, handling, usage, etc. does not progress their agenda.

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    • Bingo! We have a winner!
      They don’t want kids thinking that there is a safe way to handle guns, they want them to be deathly afraid of guns. They want the kids to grow up and be like them.

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  3. My kids have been shooting for years, currently they are 9 and 10. They have grown up around guns, my oldest daughter won first place in a local rifle competition, and whenever we go out to shoot I still make them recite gun safety rules.

    I purpose we run some test. Take 50 kids like mine and put them in scenarios where they find some nice airsoft replicas and see how they handle the situation. Remember Eddie Eagle says, “If you find a gun don’t touch it.” Which my kids recite after listing off their standard gun handling safety rules.

    Then we take 50 kids who grew up in homes without proper gun education and see how those kids fare.

    With a documented case we can now show how gun education could save lives…..oh wait….gun grabbing was never meant for saving lives. Regardless I still believe in gun education, more than just “stay away” but understanding and respecting guns as well.

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  4. Decide the category I want to buy next. (AR, upland shotgun, pocket pistol, etc)

    Search for a “top ten” list on Google for that category.

    Look for the professional blogger type articles, ignore the magazines and forums (for now)

    Compare multiples top tens looking for commonalities.

    I generally get a short list from that. Then I look at magazine articles online and look for points of consideration.

    That’s about 20% of the effort. The remaining 80% is forums after forums after forums.

    Then I get a really short list and try to find a range that rents them.

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  5. I’ve been saying this for a while. The best way to combat an idea based on lies and misconceptions is with truth and education. Anyone that would like to support a petition to promote such an aim may sign on below!

    U.S. Federal Government and Legislators of the State of New Jersey: Implement universal firearms training and education for Americans invoking 2nd Amendment rights – Sign the Petition!

    Please join this campaign: http://chn.ge/1c1NqJf

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  6. Sooooo, if a shooting occurs in areas with that sign, are the legislators and supporters of that law going to be criminally and financially liable for giving criminals and the mentally deranged the idea to find unarmed victims there and go to jail as a result? What are they doing to ensure the safety of people in such areas?

    I think a 10-20 minute police response, by now, has been shown as ineffective and inadequate (see all mass shootings to date). First responders on scene have had the best results (see all prevented shootings to date by gun owners that were on scene and responded).

    If yes, then please keep those signs and when any crimes are committed, don’t act surprised please. If the answer is no, then it’s unconstitutional and unconscionable to place those signs as they are an affront to intelligence, common sense, self-defense, crime deterrence, understanding violent behavior and crime prevention.

    In short, these signs promote crime and mass shootings by designating any area (and the people in it) as easy targets for criminal activity and misdeeds.

    Why is that so hard to understand.

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  7. I just purchased the Taurus PT111 G2 spent the afternoon at the range and shot about 50 rounds with no problem. I also have the PT 740 have shot 500+ rounds and no problems. The PT111 is slightly easier to rack just barely. My wife is a small woman with small hands and she can rack and clean either one in fact she carries a PT 740. It is easy to remove the slide if you hold the gun upside down with the back side of the gun resting between the thumb and first finger just behind the trigger between the slide and handle, I use my right hand . Slide pull the slide back with your fingers on the right hand and operate the release catch with your other hand. Make sure you pull the trigger after you release the catch and hold the trigger down until you remove the slide.

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