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“You two hold security while I try to shoot that duck!”
“Unfortunately for him, emotionally troubled teen Matthew Schmuckatelli had chosen that day to attack a school…”
I am only armed to the knees here.
The most important question: if I purchase that stun gun does that nice lady come with it?
I feel a Saturday of “releasing the anger” just isn’t going to cut it. Personally I would have used blanks, cut the power, used smoke, added an additional surprise attacker and thrown the training senerio into a more realistic chaos. Nothing can prepare anyone for a “SJGR” moment but the more realistic the training, the better the odds.
And that’s when the cockroaches realized… they had invaded the wrong building.
This is in reply to Pat and, especially, Ardent. Both make excellent points, IMO. For the record, I’m same size as Ardent. Well, maybe a few extra pounds, now, but not that many.
I think Ardent’s thoughts re the cop in the video are spot on–the perp was definitely in menace mode and at some point before the shooting began the cop should have had his gun out–at a minimum. This video makes IMO a very interesting contrast to the DC shooting of the crazy woman. To my mind there were some questionable judgment calls in that situation, even granting that the crazy’s conduct was a potential threat to the public.
I think the LE training rationale is that, since it’s simply not possible to imagine–much less train for–every possible real life scenario, it’s best to train to simply get some shots on target as quickly as possible, then get more POA specific with follow ups. It’s a defensible training approach, since cops are usually in reaction mode when the shooting starts and things like sight picture are not a factor. That approach may not be guaranteed to incapacitate as quickly as we would like, but when the SHTF, it’s a rational response. In the video, the perp definitely seems to react to a hit–would he have reacted the same or at all to the same hit in larger/smaller calibers? It’d be nice if some video analyst could tell us when the cop started firing, when he stopped, how many shots fired, what caliber the perp had (looks lighter than the cop’s .40)
When I was training we had an interesting routine, utilizing hinged metal dish targets set on the top of a rail. The goal was to knock down the 5 dish targets while moving laterally to the right and then moving on to a different phase of the course. You only got 2 shots per dish target–hits didn’t count: you had to knock it down. Any ammo saved out of the 10 allowed shots could be used on the next phase. The distance to target (I’m guessing at about 7 yards) and weight of the dishes was such that the best way to guarantee a one-shot knockdown was to hit near the top of the dish. However, .40 had a definite advantage over 9mm–you didn’t have to hit as near the top edge with the .40 to get that first shot knockdown. There was also time pressure involved. I wish I could tell you what the diameter of the plates were, but they weren’t that large–8 or 10 inches? The point was, the target may have been easy enough to hit, but mere hit counting didn’t count. Knockdown was all that counted, and that involved shot placement.
Overall, it seemed to bring some interesting elements of realism to the training as well as being fun. Obviously metal plates aren’t a very good simulation for human beings, but otoh it did reinforce two notions: 1) that all else being equal a heavier, larger diameter round is likely to have a greater effect on the target, but 2) shot placement can make up for that.
The results were interesting. People like me with .40s generally did far better on that course than the faster follow-up shooting people with 9s, and we used far less ammo. I think there are some general lessons from all that. And yet I just bought a 9mm. But I’m keeping my .40. Practical considerations and trade offs: the Sigma is much bulkier than the XDM, even though the XDM is a bit heavier. Perhaps I should have considered an XDM in .40.
Oh, I should have added. Before the .40 I had a 10mm. That sucker was just too much to lug around all day on my belt. Of course, the weight–as with a 1911–made it more controllable.
Ladies keep a look out for those Blue Falcons.
Oh he’ll feel the effects sooner than that. Next election cycle I think. All those guns went to people that hold certain beliefs. Those people are now pissed and waiting.
‘Course it might not be enough to offset all the votes they buy with welfare checks in the sh!thole that is Baltimore.
Girls night out has reached a different level!!!
Those ending stats are goofy. -“shot 32 people in 1998, killing 12” + “shot nine people last year, four of them fatally.”
Bullet don’t always cause death. Bullets do weird things inside a body.
Are you saying they missed the people that didn’t die? Or that the shots were not fatal?
I know a guy who was shot 6 times by the cops. He’s mostly whole and very much alive today. No, we’re not friends.
“Brian Leary, a Secret Service spokesman, declined to provide a copy of his agency’s use-of-force or chase policies. Lt. Kimberly Schneider, a spokeswoman for the Capitol Police, did the same. …
The shooting is being investigated by the D.C. police department’s Internal Affairs Division. The Secret Service and Capitol Police will determine whether officers followed their departments’ use-of-force policies.”
And of course, the “investigation” will determine that all personnel involved followed the agencies’ [unreleased] use of force policies – which are secret, so there cannot be any public review of the incident.
And the Democrat Propaganda Ministry (aka, “news media”) will simply no longer cover the “incident”. The problem for the media is that this “incident” does not fit the “evil right-wing gun-clinging religious nutcase evil white male evil NRA member” narrative.
“Keep your eyes peeled ladies, that spider is hear somewhere.”
That spider is around here somewhere.
This is still another heads up to all those guys that boast of not registering or handing over their guns that become illegal. Every day that you possess an illegal gun presents you with hundreds of opportunities to wind up in cuffs facing a felony charge. The reason this guy did the perp walk is because his dad asked a couple of questions.
Now my man is going to live a felons life for ever. Even if all the stupid gun laws are done away with next year this man will still be a felon.
I didn’t hear the call, but if he was simply asking a question, I don’t believe they should have alerted the police. They may have been in some sort of tight spot, but they should know the 2nd amendment people are no fans of their actions. If you kick a hornet’s best expect to be stung. I dont’t think this will end well for them. From what I read, the only illegal things in his possession were the magazines, and even then, it’s up to the police to prove they were manufactured before a certain date or they are also legal. I think it’ll end badly for the shop and police and maybe he’ll see some nice cash for his troubles.
“The Secret Service should have taken out Ms. Carey at the White House (despite Nick’s reassurance on potential bomb blast effects on the White House). I reckon the moment someone mounts a potentially lethal attack on the President of the United States is the moment they forfeit their life.”
This is a stupid couple of paragraphs. There was no threat to Obama, no reason for this shooting to have taken place. It was disgusting and only exceeded by the ignorant comments by Congressman Steny Hoyer and the standing ovation Congress gave those “brave” Capital HIll police. Give me a break.
No doubt they will be exonerated as theyusually are. It seems the government idea of using us for target practice is well and applauded. I think perhaps it is time for us to shoot back.
I think everyone should take a step back.
This is a news report, it wouldn’t surprise me if everything said in it was completely wrong. “Firing a 30 round clip” could be idiot reporter speech for making a semi go full auto. Seriously. Reporters get stuff wrong all the damn time, expect this to be almost completely, if not totally, wrong.
S&W.45 ACP revolver (yes, revolver) bought at a gun show in Kansas in the early 90’s. Looked like a quality gun. Utilized half-moon clips to hold the ACP rounds in the cylinder. Jammed up the the cylinder constantly.
Duh, what was I thinking buying a revolver that shot ACPs!?
Here is an idea.
Everyone call the store fro their home state and ask the same questions. Let’s see them travel to free states and do exactly what?
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=IerahEMmYZk
On a different vein why do citizens feel obligated to follow laws that violate their inalienable rights and put their lives at risk? If government passed a law that made it illegal to wear hats, why should bald men who spend lots of time in the sun follow that law? After all, following that law would wildly increase their risk of getting skin cancer on their head.
Well, being unarmed anywhere wildly increases your risk of being seriously injured or killed in a violent attack. So why does anyone feel obligated to follow laws that disarm them?
Unfortunately, this is only the beginning of a long struggle. We are becoming a country where enforcement is based on the opinion of a small minority of autocrats, not the laws enacted by the consent of the people. It will take a lot of strength to take that scepter of power from these would-be tyrants and return it to its rightful place — the people. It will take the kind of strength that a handful of colonies in a new world had over 200 years ago. It may sound odd to many to hear it, but we are in an incredibly important period in history that I know will be studied for hundreds of years…perhaps thousands. I kind of wonder who will be the Paul Revere or Thomas Paine of our time?