“Carrying a gun comes with an implicit threat. Gun holders can, at any moment, kill the people around them, and college campuses cannot remain centers of free inquiry and exchange if students and faculty are faced daily with the threat of violent death. In our view, the only place for a gun on a college campus is in the holster of a trained police officer.” – The Duke Chronicle’s editorial board in No guns at Duke [at dukechronicle.com]
Remember, all cops are liars.
+1000.
Police can and will lie to you in order to get information. Do not fall for it. Know the rules and the procedures and the law, and do not give them anything or “deal” with them in any fashion. They are your #1 enemy after a defensive shooting.
Ban Assault Rotaries!
“Carrying a gun comes with an implicit threat.”
Finally peole are recognizing what governments do…
I am sorry, but I will take a SIG P226 over anything on your list. Furthermore, I am not Cletus and would field strip that puppy and have it running properly with TW25 (that’s what SIG specs for it). Of course I would do the same thing with the M9. Even with the lack of training, there is no excuse for guys not getting themselves up to par.
I love how these eggheads all default to “everybody is insane and we can’t trust anyone” yet gun owners are the ones “living in fear.”
Classic case of psychological projection. Guns don’t belong on the Duke campus because, if someone carrying a gun gets into a debate, they might just take out the gun and shoot the place up. Really?
Those hard backed metal chairs are the proper weight for a club.
College campuses are already “faced daily with the threat of violent death” whether or not concealed carry is authorized. Just ask the students over at Virginia Tech. Typical upper class, elitist, ignorant prattle from future New York Times and HuffPo writers.
Oh yeah, if by “trained police officer” you mean the campus cops, then you are kidding yourself. Those guys generally have less training than regular police officers who don’t generally have enough training themselves.
I like one of the comments (ala ProjectVeritas):
“A Challenge to you who agree with the author of this misguided opinion: wear a shirt or post a sign outside your house (after you have children who are now inside sleeping and expecting you to protect them) that tells everyone you and your homes are gun free zones. If you won’t do it, then you are a hypocrite and your true motives have nothing to do with making your life or mine, safer.
Father T – Trinity ’86 YITB”
Reading about law enforcement on TTAG is like reading Nancy Pelosi’s take on the 2A; so full if misinformation and misunderstanding that it boggles ones mind. Cops do not go to traffic accident’s to assign blame. They go to render aid, to document evidence, to gather information, to collect witness statements, to restore peace and eventually to prepare a report documenting the facts of what happened based on the available evidence. Same goes for pretty much any call for service. In the free state’s of America a legally justified DGU is going to be determined to be a legally justified DGU. Maybe or maybe not if you live in a vigorously anti-gun anti-self defense state with a political climate the vilifies anyone with a firearm. In which case you should have already moved. Even there Cops are not (always) your enemy, low information voters and ignorant politicians are.
I’m 5’9″ and 160 lbs. Just standing next to someone who is, say, 6’4″ and 225 lbs implies the threat of violence. How can I possibly participate in free inquiry and the exchange of ideas in the presence of overwhelming physical dominance?
What is with the People of the Numb’s belief that everyone around them is so unsettled that they are just a twitch away from murder?
Do they live amongst people constantly attempting to kill and fail because all they have on hand is a cell phone, and an informative pamphlet on anger management?
“…and college campuses cannot remain centers of free inquiry and exchange if…”
“In our view, the only place for a gun on a college campus is…”
So there’s no room for discussion, free inquiry or exchange about this topic? Even if evidence solidly contradicts the position you’ve taken…..oh wait, I see. You only want free inquiry if you either don’t really care about the outcome of the discussion or if you know you can win the argument. When those pesky facts get in the way, “it’s our way or the highway”. And you claim to be free thinkers… tsk, tsk, tsk.
Everyone seems to be missing the Cobra 9 mm derringer, guess nobody else is unfortunate enough to own one. I only have it, because of a joke with a local gun dealer…he came close to paying me to take it out of his inventory.
Piece of crap to shoot, and you need to be a gunsmith (or close to one) with tools to disassemble part of it to remove the fired brass.
Guess the joke is on me. We have discussed what useful purpose this gun may have and decided it may have real value to slip it into my weird brother-in-law’s carry on baggage the next time he visits and let the TSA deal with it. Unfortunately, it is serial numbered and traceable.
” . . . college campuses cannot remain centers of free inquiry and exchange . . . ”
Now that there’s just hilarious. What he meant to say was “cannot remain centers of liberal/Marxist inquiry and exchange”. College campuses haven’t been centers of “free inquiry and exchange” for decades.
They really should just stick to basketball.
Tom
What everyone is forgetting is that the bigger reason for CC on campus is not to deter mass shootings but to keep our daughters from being raped. Both on campus and when traveling to and from.
Or from getting robbed or mugged at knife or gun point!
The young lady in the picture appears to be actress Julianne Nicholson and the scene looks to be from an episode of Law & Order: Criminal Intent on which she played Detective Megan Wheeler for a couple of seasons.
So, I’m not surprised she doesn’t know how to hold a gun – or maybe her wrist is just tired.
Folks, I’m a Veteran, and instead of doing a “bring back” with all the associated, impossible, paperwork, just waited, and bought Mosin Nagant M91s and 91/30 bolt action rifles for $100 to $179, back here at home!
One thing I know, is that many of the 82.5 million Mosin Nagant rifles, built from 1891 through 1996, in 20+ factories in 14 nations, starting with France, and then the USA (almost 4 million!), issued to American troops here, and, to 30,000 Americans, in Northern Russia (1918), and used in war, atrocities, by all sides up through 2013 in Afghanistan,
have a genuine history of bloody conflict! YouTube shows Syrians using them as sniper rifles!
Some, on my walls, were possibly there, at Stalingrad, in Berlin, and, who knows where else?! Each of us can have some history, though we might not know the exact details! the 7.62X54r 148 grain bullet has ballistics similar to a .308, while the 182 grain bullet is very like the .30-06!
I love “reaching out” to 1200 meters, with these fine firearms!
All are great for Wild Hog, Deer, Moose, Elk, Bear and more! Inupiaq native Agnes
Hailstone shoots Seals, Wolves, Caribou, with a 91/30 PU, in Life Below Zero on Nat. Geo.!
Plus, I teach my friends and family about world history, through these fine rifles!
Also, our “house rule” is that home invaders will be found with TWO holes, one from the bullet, and one from the 18 inch Cruciform Bayonet! Just as I learned during my career in the military!
MilSurp ammo is still available for them!
In late July, Bloomer hosted a fund raiser for Manchin at Bloomers NYC home.
Article was a nice Term paper.
The information found within helps tell and verify the true story commoanly know among long range shooters, that for every inch of barrel you loose roughly 25 fps.
Other than that it is still misleading and unfactul to try and say a shoter barrel is as accurate.
Speed is king in long range shooting and velocity is the key.
In West Virginia during a bad weather day(snow) I was involved in a head on collision with a woman. Both cars were badly damaged but we weren’t. After a state trooper spent a good deal of time investigating the incident he filled out the part of the report that assigns fault as follows. “I find no fault or blame with either driver. Cars were not defective. This collision was an act of God.” He actually used act of God in the report.
@tj, I second you on that. That’s why we need to have concealed carry in all the states. Most of the people who were rescued were rescued by armed civilians and plain clothes policemen. Armed responsible civilians can be of great help in such situations. I can only imagine what would have happened if mot of the people in that mall had concealed weapons.
I’m most concerned about those deadly pocket rockets. Didn’t we just see this weekend that a bunch of hooligans armed with these deadly devices can easily attack and hold an entire city block at their mercy?
And don’t tell me that the best counter for a bad guy with a vehicle is a good guy with a vehicle. I mean, one of those black assault trucks still couldn’t stop those motorcycles.
Total vehicular dewheelment. That’s the answer.
A Taurus Millenium Pro. It shot straight but the mag liked to drop upon firing. It probably could have been fixed pretty easily, though.
Most “bad” guns I’ve had only required a little mechanical tinkering before they worked ok. At the end of the day, any gun is just a tube with some springs. Grinding a little metal down or polishing components can go a long way.
I always tell the pseudo intellectuals: I will gladly turn my guns in when the next great tool of self defense is invented.
Isn’t our current gun control conversation going to look silly when people can hurt or kill others with their minds?
“Carrying a gun comes with an implicit threat. Gun holders can, at any moment, kill
the peopleany criminals around them, and college campuses cannot remaincenters of free inquiry and exchangecommunist indoctrination centers if students and faculty are faced daily with thethreat of violent deathprospect that citizens don’t need the State. In our view, the only place for a gun on a college campus is in the holster of atrained police officergovernment storm trooper.” – The Duke Chronicle’s editorial boardThere, I fixed it for them.
On a different subject but making a comment on the picture above, I have worked in the TV & Film business for 35 years and I have yet seen an actor properly handle a firearm! As you can see in the picture above the female cop is improperly pointing a Glock! This is a result of the producers being cheap and only hiring a technical consultant on the pilot for good measure but as you can see the actors quickly forget the proper techniques, in this case both hands should be wrapped around the gun and the leading hand should be positioned as high as possible where the web of the thumb and forefinger are. There should be no space between the frame and the web of the hand so that the barrel is positioned as low as possible to minimize recoil!
I would like to point out that tarring everyone with the same brush (e.g. calling college campuses “communist indoctrination centers”) is just as obtuse as the comments made in the post. Hypocrisy won’t help anyone maintain their rights.
Kyle,
Please find 5 colleges or universities that embrace students, staff, and visitors who want to carry concealed handguns for personal protection on campus, in dorms, and in classrooms. Please find even one.
And I am not talking about the colleges and universities in states that “allow” concealed carry because the state legislature forced them. I am talking about colleges and universities that embrace and even encourage students, staff, and visitors to carry concealed. If you can point to even 1% of colleges and universities that embrace concealed carry, I will stop referring to those institutions as communist indoctrination centers.
The simple fact of the matter is that you will not be able to find 1% or even just 5 colleges or universities that embrace and encourage concealed carry … because a person who carries concealed is not totally dependent upon the elite/government and that undermines communism.
Wouldn’t those pesky humans be replaced by efficient drones by then, thereby probably negating the need for TP’s product anyway? I’ve seen all the Matrix AND Terminator movies (and was a big fan of the Sarah Connor Chronicles), so I know what’s up.
Or…Carrying a firearm constitutes an implied threat to those who seek to harm the armed citizen. Welcome to college! A list of the rights we allow you to keep while in attendance has been posted in the commons for your convenience.
The insanity continues…
Better call Saul!
“The girl’s father, who has retained an attorney, now wants to know how the school defines violence. He said the drill team is allowed to twirl fake rifles and the mascot is a Comanche.”
Are any of us shocked an asinine school administrator lacked the brainpower necessary (to live life in general, much less run a school)?
I suppose an “Obama” T-shirt would promote violence as well – after all, he executes people with drone strikes.
As Dan pointed out, someone needs to inform this screaming ninny that the NRA does more to promote gun safety than probably the next three organizations on the list combined.
The Piers vs Jesse Ventura interview yesterday or the day before that was blocked by youtube and most other sites from being watched and only shown on cnn once was amazing. Although Jesse went into his JFK assassination rant, which I totally agree with but many define as crazy talk, Jesse outlined our two party political system and how they are destroying us so well. And while doing so one could see Piers mind actually changing, seeing the light, he rarely spoke over Jesse at all, but as soon as he opened his mouth after Jesse was done talking it was old Piers again.
My point is I could visually see Piers fading away in the interview and I knew nothing about his supposed departure. And I’ve seen this look before, a person can just physically look like they are defeated, ill almost, even if their mouth continues to talk nonsense. It is over for Piers I think.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ-3RlcxbKg
I carried a 1911 in the army in the late 80’s that was probably at least 30 years old with zero formal pistol training. Did some familiarization with it and could not hit anything with numerous malfunctions. Obviously a combination of a worn out gun and an incompetent shooter. Got issued an M9 with again no formal pistol training and was able to at least stay on the paper with my familiarization rounds. Obviously an upgrade to a gun that was not worn out but the shooter was still incompetent. Became a LEO 11 years ago. Issued a Beretta 96. After formal training in proper maintenance and competent pistol training, I became an acceptable marksman with a pistol. Had no gun caused malfunctions with the 96 over a period of 5 years. Transitioned to a P226 which I do prefer over the 96, however the Beretta M9/92/96, in my opinion, is an acceptable service pistol.
Make the kids scared of guns early enough and they’ll recoil in fear at the mere sight of one. That’s the goal. Teach early on that guns–all guns– are BAD and EVIL and should be GONE.
my MRAP is in the mail….
I AM WANT….
PhD = Piled High and Deep.
The Beretta 92FS was the first pistol I had ever shot. I have never been in the military or law enforcement, I was just your average citizen looking to get to know firearms and how to use them for the safety of me and my family.
Before I purchased my 1st pistol I tried dozens of different models from various manufactures at my local gun range. We became members of the range so the rentals were free. The 92FS was the first pistol recommendation from the range officer. The first shot from the 92FS was as smooth as butter and I loved it. And this is from a range rental gun. This thing was nasty looking and I’m sure it wasn’t well maintained. Not a war torn pistol by any means so there is no comparison to the M9’s that have been handed down from soldier to soldier through the years. but it was pretty ratty looking. I loved it! A tried many different pistols after that 92FS but none of them seemed to be as comfortable in the hand as the Beretta. I ended up purchasing the M9 because I really liked the straight backstrap, post dot sight and straight dust cover. Minor differences!
I’ve purchased a few more pistols since the initial M9 but my M9 comes to the range with me every time and is always ready to go in the gun safe in my nightstand.
When is this blood in the streets wild west bullshit claim gonna stop? Been hearing it for 25 years and with shall issue in 42 states, it has yet to happen outside isolated incidents.
They have been using the Wild West claim at least every since Florida rolled out the “Shall Issue” CCW in 1987 with the first one being issued to Marion Hammer.
Where was Rocket J. Squirrel in her moment of need?
On a more serious note, I hope that they are able to sue the principal and the school district and that she gets a nice settlement that will pay all of her college costs with some left over, say, for a lifetime membership to the NRA. Wouldn’t that be sweetly ironic?
Hey Robert, send that family a ‘Free California’ AI shirt.
We’ve spent trillions of dollars (when they were worth something) on nukes and now we’re going to pin the future of the country on a scope. A scope. What the hell are we thinking?
Clancy’s example of a mall attack was for 5 malls. Some worked and some did not. The ones that did not were in population centers that have armed civilians.
We are due a large attack here in the US. Remember the government is not here to protect us, but to extend it’s franchise. WWII did more to end England that any other event in her history. DHS is trying to do the same thing here in less time.
The Mall attack in Kenya was training for one here.
And they said Bush years were bad. Come on Jeb while we still call it USA.
Aw hell, quite a shit storm comes this way…
Past behavior indicates future behavior. Jihadi fighters will strike the same place more than once. Bali, Sinai, and New York (WTC 2x) tell us where is next: DC, Madrid, London, and the previously mentioned targets are on the map. One of the bombers from the WTC attack in 1993 told us they would hit it again.
Common Jihadi Tactic: Set off munitions. Wait for EMS et all to arrive. Set off more munitions. If you are a “first” (or second) responder – consider not responding.
If you hear of a terror attack going on somewhere in the world . . . there is a good chance one will go off later that day if not that hour. Do not be in public for the second part of a back-to-back attacks.
We should have seen 9/11. We were are attacked on land (embassy bombings), sea (USS Cole), and air (WTC). What frontier is next? Yeah, space kital & jihad are not that far off.
O, and I got a not so untrue yarn to spin about a hijacked super tanker off the coast of Indonesia. It was loaded w/ liquid butane. The hijackers left it after only a few hours of piloting it: dry run style.
P.S. Never take the public transportation in Jerusalem 🙂
The striker in a S&W M&P is fully cocked when the sear makes contact with, or “grabs”, the striker lug. The trigger does NOT cock the striker when pulled, but only releases the sear from the striker “lug” (thus releasing the striker and allowing it to move forward under spring tension causing the firing pin to strike the primer).
Libtards (democrats). You voted for them. Enjoy.
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