Alex Jones calls himself an “aggressive constitutionalist.” The Infowars jefe believes you have a natural, civil and Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. He also promotes a farrago of conspiracy theories, from U.S. government involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing and the September 11 attacks, to the Bilderberg Group’s plans to a “New World Order.” So, is Jones a good thing or a bad thing for Americans’ firearms freedom?
Who is Alex Jones?
No one of consequence.
Don’t have time to suffer fools.
That was my first thought as I read the headline.
Jones was the guy who was chasing down all this corruption and legislative deceit while you were still popping zits and thinking armpit farts at dinner were hysterical. Jones could certainly use some polish, granted, especially in the journalism arena, and he has often been accused of jumping at leads before they were confirmed, but his heart has always been in the right place. But now that’s it’s become “fashionable” to suspect anyone in government of being part of the problem, any late-comer and their grandmother can pop out of the woodwork and start accusing Alex, along with David Icke and Matt Drudge, of being too far off the wall. Let’s hope Bob isn’t planning to go that route.
So, while it’s inevitable that many people will be jumping out of their skin trying to reinvent themselves as they have been slow to acquire what Alex has been steadily trying to communicate, I think it we would do well to remember that we are all in this war together and that taking cheap potshots at Alex is merely a way for people to express their fear over the enormity of the globalist NWO issue. Instead of trying to distance themselves from Alex in order to try to carve out a journalistic niche for themselves, like Hannity, Limbaugh, and especially Beck, journalists should be aligning themselves with each other as Drudge and Icke have done with Alex.
Personally, I still don’t understand Icke’s fascination with Hillary’s having reptilian DNA, but maybe in another 10 years or so I might get his point. My point is that, as long as we keep badmouthing anyone because they aren’t handling the information exactly as we see it, we only weaken our ranks ……… and that goes for Bob and TTAG.
…… and Bob, one more thing; If you haven’t seen the DVD, “A Noble Lie”, (about Oklahoma City), you really need to. Putting up a picture of fruitcake Michael Moore up here and then trying to gain mileage by inferring that Alex’s reporting of Oklahoma City was somehow a meaningless conspiratorial witch hunt along with 9/11, ….. I’ll tell you what, if people here STILL don’t get the connection yet, this country is in worse shape than I thought.
And all of what Jones warns to be imminent turnout to never happen.
“Jones was the guy who was chasing down all this corruption and legislative deceit while you were still popping zits and thinking armpit farts at dinner were hysterical.”
Funny, since Jones is just 40 years old. Maybe it’s his deteriorated physical condition that has people thinking he’s older. He just panders to the tinfoil hat crowd with his wild conspiracy theories.
“And all of what Jones warns to be imminent turnout to never happen.”
Really. That rock must be a hard one to come out from under. It appears you’re in what Elizabeth Kubler-Ross would describe as the “Five Stages of Grief”. In case, I’m referring to being hopelessly locked into an old way of thinking and needing to trash anyone bringing up relevant material that doesn’t agree with you.
As for Alex, he ain’t no Neil deGrasse Tyson or Michio Kaku, but he has been consistently on top of this issue since he became aware of it …… what, 15 years, at least? You know what, rather than wasting my time with people who are still believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, I’ll just suggest you try reading Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Charlotte Thompson Iserbyt, Catherine Austin-Fitts; these are all former upper level government employees who somehow managed to get the memo and broke ranks to inform the public of the problem, while you were busy watching some anesthetizing NFL nonsense and laughing about all the tin-foil crazies.
Alex, admittedly needs some polish and he cretainly isn’t Cronkite, but after decades of lies about Viet Nam, it turns out that Cronkite was only telling us what he was told to tell us. He just did a damn good job of convincing everyone that it was all true. That’s the difference.
Ok. well… I’m not even going to get into it with you over the 9/11 inside job nonsense… Its just plain that. You can throw all the DVDs and YouTube videos up you want, its all been debunked on the basis of their creators just want money, just like Alex Jones. Now, I will say, do you really believe Mr. Alex Jones when he says that the moon landings never happened and that the US has literally lost THOUSANDS of astronauts in space? Because he believes that utter nonsense. Do you?
As far as the moon landings part, I’ve always believed they took place. I haven’t heard Alex talk about it so I will reserve comment, except to say that he might question the authenticity only because of other fairy tales the government has been telling us over the years. That said, it still doesn’t mean the landings didn’t occur. Next topic …..
You stated that well, BR549. I used to really tune out on anything AJ. However, he’s been around for a long time, speaking of things before they were popular to say. Some of us were around to hear him back on shortwave. Even though I still may not agree with many of his conclusions, my hat has been off to Alex Jones for a number of years now. My respect for him has grown a great deal over the last ten or so years.
“Alex Jones” is the colloquial term for an extremely low signal to histrionic noise ratio.
Who cares, I threw up in my mouth with the still shot of Moore holding a rifle. It looked like a docu-drama re-enactment of Animal Farm… ‘Oh s_ _ t the pigs got a gun’
Nah I don’t read nutcases.
Good god no. My brain hurts from his crazy.
I read Drudge Report because I want to know what CNN is going to be talking about tomorrow.
I read Instapundit because I want to know about the things CNN won’t talk about at all.
I read Infowars because The Onion™ hasn’t refreshed lately- and yes, I take the content on Infowars about as seriously as I take The Onion.
He’s preaching to the choir of the converted (all the way down the crazy path past usefulness) and repulsing everyone else. No.
To further go on;
I once met a guy at church. He was a social misfit, but in casual conversation I learned he was into SHTF, economic collapse, all that good stuff. Thought I’d found someone with common interest. We made a man date for dinner (cuz that’s how it’s done).
Over dinner he informed me of the UN rail cars “out in the woods” ready to load people up, the photos on the interwebz of FEMA concentration camps ready for people, asked me if I was a federal agent, and informed me that “if you tell anyone about my guns, I’ll have to kill you. Get me?” We smiled, shook hands, and did not make for a second date.
That was 3 years ago, atleast. Obviously haven’t been any UN rail-car FEMA camp loading going on (out in the woods, ya know). The conspiracy crap contributed to taking someone who could’ve been useful & making them decidedly not so. I don’t support that.
Just so you know, the UN rail cars are camouflaged as normal-looking box cars…./s
Not very many boxcars around in 2014. Only used to haul buggy whips and ringer washing machines.
I met a friend of my cousin’s who informed me that the UN has unloaded thousands of vehicles at various marine ports and railyards, ready to roll out when Obama declares martial law.
He then showed me the satellite photos, and I cringed. Why? Because the photos were of new imported cars being readied for delivery to dealers. They wrap the sides and top of the vehicles in a white protective shrink wrap to protect the paint and metals from diesel fumes, salt mist, etc. I know because I work in marine ports where the roll on/roll off vehicle carriers unload them, store them in huge lots before loading onto train cars – which end up on Google Earth looking like lots of hundreds of white cars from avove.
I explained him to this, and he just started at me and said “who do you work for?” insinuating that I was .gov agent trying to misinform him.
That party couldn’t end soon enough.
I feel your pain man. Being prior military I’ve had former close friends accuse me of actually being apart of the illuminati for debunking just about every UN/agenda 21/reptilian take over/ 9/11 inside job nonsense theory they’ve spewed at me. Especially one guy who got all shaken up when a bunch of helicopters flew over him… while he was near a Ft Benning… I explained to him that he needs to calm down, they’re just training like they always do… he said “no, there was way to many helicopters and just what do they need to train like that for?” Yup… a whole nother level of stupid. Cant say I miss talking to any of them.
People distrust government so much they’re scrutinizing everything government related with a biased eye. It’s bordering on hysteria. Not healthy. Unfortunately if you take what the government says and does at face value there’s nothing to turn the situation around. Case in point: signing the UN Small Arms Control Treaty.
Jones is clearly a Reptilian, Illuminati plant – but his show’s OK. I do wonder, sometimes, whether he is a “false flag.”
You do have to wonder. The subjects he broaches are worthy of proper solid journalistic investigations, but he takes them so far that he instead makes it easy to simply ignore the topics he brings up.
It’s no accident that public schools don’t make it a priority to teach children the consequences of the exponential function inside of a closed system. The big three monotheistic religions are very clear on that topic.
He has some important questions regarding the TSA or government ammo purchasing, but he insists on beclowning himself with other conspiracy nonsense.
In a word, no. I wish he’d go away.
Nothing- except when he says they’re coming for our guns (which I already knew). He’s definitely bad for our cause.
alex jones is the best. hilarious just watch the clip of him loosing his head on pierc morgan
AJ is a complete tool but watching him absolutely FLIP on piers morgan was totally hilarious! He was just an angry loud hyper ball screaming without breathing. It was almost like a Chris Farley clip off of an old SNL
I regard Alex Jones as an entertainer, like Adam Sandler or RuPaul. Because all of them are so gawdawful, I try to avoid them to the fullest extent possible.
Adam Sandler is an entertainer? Where? When?
Water Boy is about it.
Every group has its fringe elements. For those in favour of the Second Amendment he is about as fringe as you can get
The problem with the Gun Ban Lobby is that it IS the leftist fringe.
I basically think he is hurting the cause, as well. He goes so far overboard with his stuff that the TRUE stuff, the true bad stuff and even some of the more plausible conspiracy theories, get glossed-over because of his bullsugar. Plus, I lost almost any respect I had for him when he started shoving the parent of an Aurora-massacre victim. Do I believe that because people have lost loved ones to crime that I should lose my guns? No… nor do I believe these “victims” justify the whole “no assault weapons, no high-capacity magazines, no semi-automatic guns etc.” crowd. But to start shoving the man and calling him names and basically antagonizing the man, come on, it’s not a conspiracy, that Holmes man was crazy as all-get-out and he murdered innocent people- calling the dead people’s parents names and liars and shoving them, all that is is disgusting. And when the Antis start badgering me with “why do I need an AR/AK, why do I need 30 rounds, why do I need a short-barrel rifle or suppressor or whatever, ” they can very easily compare me to this nutbag and I have to defend myself from both sides.
michael moore on the other hand, has actually come out and said he wants to remove the 2nd amendment and re-right it to disallow guns unless you’re in the militia etc, I think that is sedition and treason. He is a money grubbing attention whore who thinks he is a lot more famous than he is… he just was smart enough to make movies that made money on the backs of dead kids, then accuse other people of the same thing.
It’s only treason if he wishes do that through extra constitutional means. If he wants to try to use the Amendment process by all means have at.
As with anyone, if he says anything worth listening to, then yes. I don’t have to agree with everything he says. I will say that ever since Fast and Furious, my tin foil hat has been a permanent fixture. You can argue whether 9/11 was an inside job until you’re blue in the face; Fast and Furious proved to me that “They” have the will to do or facilitate the worst atrocities to achieve their goals.
My conspiracy theorist of choice is John B. Wells, anyway. Better voice and he plays good music.
Moderation in all things….
I read his site, but I also read msn, cnn, nydn, fox, Reuters, the blaze, breitbart, bbc, iafrica, drudge, conservative chronicles, plus local on 4 different sites.
I tend to read a lot.
No, he’s a reptilian part of the disinformation campaign.
I liked him in Deus Ex: Human Revolution. On a serious note, no. He’s a loon who likes to take advantage of fear to sell survival hear for the end of the world. Hes one of many like that.
Who is Alex Jones?
Alex Jones is another one of those folks whose alumnum-foil skullcap is in urgent need of recalibration. His support of our Second Amendment rights is doing us no favors, since the old adage, “Birds of a feather flock together,” continues to have a lot of power in others’ forming opinions of us (and vice versa)..
Here’s my take on conspiracy theories: they suck the air out of legitimate issues and work in the government’s favor. Every minute that anyone spends chasing some conspiracy theory is one less minute they spend holding government accountable on verifiable issues. Here’s my conspiracy theory: the government doesn’t shut down conspiracies (which they most certainly could most of them) because the more people they can get running down rabbit trails the less scrutiny they risk on real issues. Does Alex Jones work for the government? Does it matter if in the end the net result of his promoting conspiracy theories is exactly what the government wants?
Actually, I would agree with you. I have acquaintances who come up with all sorts and unverifiable conspiracy theories and spend all sorts of time supporting them. When you get to some of the stuff that the politicians and government try to cover up (F&F) or new goofy Executive Orders, the loons usually have no idea what is going on. Some of the worst is with the Kennedy assassination and the various wild tangents that spin off of it. I mean really, Jerry Ford being the master mind of the operation? Of course we have the boys at the Masonic Lodge and the Scottish Rite to blame for everything. Of course, Richard Nixon always comes up with the master plan.
I’ve found also one of the hardest things to do is to keep on track someone who subscribes to conspiracy theories. You start laying out for them a series of facts relating to a verifiable issue and they kind of zone out and reset with “thats because of the Bildaburgs” or 9/11 or Chem trails or whatever. I’ve tried to respond with “that may be true” but let’s stay focused. Usually doesn’t work.
“Here’s my conspiracy theory: the government doesn’t shut down conspiracies (which they most certainly could most of them)” Michael, I’ve read alot of questionable statements on various internet forums, and this one ranks right up at the top…what exactly do you mean by the government ‘could’ shut down conspriacy theories?
#1 Release crime scene photos taken inside Sandy Hook.
#2 Release Obama’s school records including information about who paid his tuition.
It goes on and on.
How about creating a secretarial position like press secretary that engages these folks and debunks any fallacious claims they make. Most of their claims are so fantastical it shouldn’t be too hard to do.
Even if they could do that, they wouldn’t do that. Why? Because people would start to focus on more real problems and serious matters. And that’s not something politics and elites really want!!!
Some conspiracies might be true (look at the whole NSA thing).
But most of them are just pure fantasies and disillusions to a very high degree.
One of the oldest trick in the book: Divide to conquer.
It’s always easier to divide people on unimportant matters.
Besides, when real scandals get lumped with UFO’s and 9/11 conspiricies they get ignored. When you can’t hide it, make sure you discredit the story. People like Jones are some of the best disinformatiaon tools for which a government could ask.
If I were the government, I wouldn’t look at InfoWars as a threat but an asset.
Michael, it your wording that threw me off, but did you ever consider they don’t shut down some of these theories because some are at least partially true? Looking back through the history that we do know, there have been ,many so-called conspiracy theories that have proved true over time.
I don’t know about the conspiracy stuff, although one must remember FDR’s statement that there are no coincidences in politics. Regarding the Constitution and 2A he is spot on.
Oh dear lord… bad thing!
He makes all gun owners look like paranoid weirdos. He’s definitely not someone gun owners should want speaking for them. We have to win the hearts and minds of soccer moms. The more soccer moms are carrying, the more “friendly faces” for 2A.
He makes all gun owners look like paranoid weirdos.
If you actually believe what you just wrote, then you are one of them, not one of us.
Alex Jones doesn’t make me look like a paranoid weirdo. So speak for yourself.
Actually Alex Jones does make you look like a paranoid weirdo. It’s called guilt through association. Every time the media use him to defend the 2nd amendment he is representing you. The media portrays him as not only as just a typical 2nd amendment defender, but also one of our big spokesmen. That cements in the mind of the audience that he is a typical gun owner, and when the media bait him into going on one of his rants showing just what a paranoid weirdo he actually is, in the mind of the audience the typical gun owner is now thought of in the exact same light.
Speak for yourself. And as long as you feel that anything that Jones does reflects on you, then you are part of the problem.
Did John Holmes make you look bad? Adam Lanza? Jared Laughner? They didn’t make me look bad, but maybe you have more in common with them than I do.
When we talk of looking bad, we’re talking about what people who are not on our side think based on the people who are being thrown out there as “typical gun owners”. Most mass shooters aren’t running around talking about gun rights and the second amendment. You never hear anything about them until they shoot some people up and then are dead.
Alex Jones is not a mass shooter, he’s someone that most people have heard of and that many anti-gun people do seem to believe “represents us”. It doesn’t really matter if “you” think he represents us. What matters is what those on the other side of the 2A debate think because they are the ones rattling their chains to try to get more gun control, and they are absolutely going to hold Alex Jones and people like him up as the “typical gun owner”. So yeah, he’s making you look like a paranoid weirdo… guilt by association, particularly since few gun owners are shouting him down and saying he doesn’t represent us.
The opinions of the active anti-gunners are not relevant.
They are to the extent that they affect general public opinion and potentially harm our gun rights. The opinions of anti-gun nuts aren’t “rational” but that doesn’t make them irrelevant. If they were irrelevant we would just laugh at them and pat them on the head and go on.
I stand by my position. If you don’t think Alex Jones makes gun owners look like paranoid weirdos you have no concept of where many non-gun owners are taking their cues about what “the others” are like. Anti-gun people look for the most fringe weirdos and irresponsible people to sway public opinion. That’s Alex Jones, and the Facebook dude holding a gun on his cat. Among others. They are not interested in what normal gun people are doing. So yes, Alex Jones makes you look bad, makes me look bad, makes everybody with guns look bad and he should shut his stupid mouth and go play with his little plastic army men in the backyard.
Amen to all that, cowgirlup. But prepare to be excoriated by other members of the aluminum-foil skullcap brigade, who will urge you to wake up to the TRUTH!
This is a rather interesting comment coming from you, Ralph. I’ve seen you in the comment sections of Farago articles excoriating all police officers for the actions of a few. But now you claim that a few bad apples don’t represent the entire barrel. I’d like you to clarify that for me, if you would.
I take Alex Jones as seriously as Michael Moore, who thinks that the Bill of Rights only applies to early 19th century technology like the printing press, or maybe semi-automatic firearms with 20 round magazines (yes, they existed in the early 1800s).
Well… the thing is is that Jones picks up on things that are really going on. Problem is that he tends to… well kind of take it too far. Extrapolating ideas and taking leaps of logic to form large conspiratorial theories.
As a rule of thumb I try to never let myself blame things on a conspiracy when it’s just as likely that what’s being done is being done through shear incompetence.
Oh and BUILDING 7!!!1
He’s definitely an entertainer. And his stuff can look like a train wreck. His stuff that it have seen/heard is sometimes way out there.
That being said, drudge links to him more and more, which in the world of people who usually can’t digest the garbage of the big outlets, lends him credibility. The fact that the stories I have found linked to his site from drudge have all seemed to turn out true reinforces that.
I believe that we only see a small part of the crazy. There’s probably more under the hood with an agenda than what he lets out now, like Obama.
He could be a complete fake too. His website and their news clips are full of ads for what looks like in house products. I don’t know. I can tell you that I am certain Glenn beck is a fake. His outlet does some good work, which lends it credibility as well. However, him going to the border and handing out soccer balls to the illegals with Ted Cruz was a tip. He’s done other stuff in the past too.
That all being said, I’ll continue to ingest information from multiple varies sources inside and outside the US, and make my own decisions as to what seems credible and what isn’t. I hope more Americans choose to do the same. In this day and age of so much data coming at you, it’s hard to process it all, but you need to go slow and analyze instead of just getting emotional. So much “news” today is just designed to create emotional highs or lows instead of actually informing.
Bo Gritz is my man !!! (is he still alive?)
Yes, heis…you can listen to your man right here>>>>
He is the poster boy for controlled opposition. He is paid well to keep the potion of the public seeking alternative media misinformed. Keep in mind the best lies are mostly true, and he is no exception.
You mean the guy that thinks The X-Files are a National Geographic documentary?
I browse the site on occasion when I need the comic relief. The few nuggets of truth there are more statistical anomalies and can be found elsewhere.
I consider Art Bell or George Noory far more reliable. /sarc
I forgot about Art and George since I don’t work nights anymore.
Alex Jones is right about %10 of the time. Maybe. The other %90 is eye rolling-please God don’t lump me in with this nut bag garbage that does far more harm than good. He makes it easy for lefty MSM to make us all look crazy by association. But, dude is getting paid, so what does he care?
Yeah. Problem is, it isn’t 10% of the stories he publishes… Its 10% of EVERY story. Like someone said above, he picks up on some real stuff, then makes a leap to an awkward conclusion… reminds me of “A Beautiful Mind.”
I like his pro-2A position, but I don’t like his “everything-else.” Its a bit crazy. The Piers Morgan interview was the first thing I ever watched of his… I agreed with his side of the issue, but watching him froth, turn red screaming, constantly rubbing his knee… I cringed the whole way through. It isn’t good for pro-2A folks.
+1 Excellent point about grain of truth in every story. The “Beautiful Mind” analogy is apt. Helped me realize that global warming is best referred to by real scientists (aka skeptics) as a conspiracy theory. Thanks.
I don’t listen to people who are allergic to science and logic.
Ouch, so I guess you probably don’t listen much these days 😀
He also serves the establishment by aggressively discrediting many of the conspiracy theories he supposedly pushes. Remember his gun rant with Piers Morgan? Perfect example of discrediting a position he is being paid to pretend he supports.
Alex Jones is a con man and he sees money in conspiracy theories. He pushed the same stuff when Bush was in the White House as he does not. There is a market for this kind of crazyness and he just exploits it.
Like every other talking head he’s 10% info and 90% entertainment.
His show is like the dystopic clips and commercials peppered throughout Robocop, Running Man, Starship Troopers, Total Recall, etc…
More entertaining than Limbaugh or Beck.
If you think that Alex Jones is nuts, try reading LewRockwell.com.
Two completely different things. Rockwell’s blog about economics and government policies is not even in the same league with Jones and his belief that conspiracy theories are behind everything. Are you pulling a Christie, Ralph?
I would disagree with you there. Lew Rockwell, Ron Paul’s former chief of staff, links to all sorts of news on his site. Some of the points of view differ, but the vast majority are creditable sources. Mr. Rockwell himself is simply a pure Libertarian capitalist, where the things government has no role in telling you what to do with your money, as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone. He’s a calm and educated man to advocates nonviolence and keeping a level head, in the face of “progressives” who thrive on instilling fear and making people feel warm and fuzzy, instead of facts. He also calls out the GOP on their hypocrisy, instead of jumping on board with them simply because he may philosophically agree with them on a few important issues. Some of his contributors follow this idea set and some do not.
I personally don’t agree with everything Mr Rockwell says or publishes, but I enjoy reading a diverse set of sources.
Not to mention that Rockwell is the co-founder of the Mises Institute, advocating liberty, real economics (none of that Keynesian crap) and great thinkers such as Rothbard, Hayek, Hazlitt etc. Basically, it’s about truly free markets and small government. I might not agree with every single thing he writes or promotes, but to put Rockwell (or his blog) in the same league as Alex Jones is total nonsense.
IMO, Rockwell’s blog is Lunatic Central, with occasional visits from sane people.
I understand that Austrian economics, free markets, personal liberty, the non-aggression principle and small government are difficult concepts to grasp for somebody who’s a victim of public education (I’m including myself, since I discovered the Mises Institute and the philosophy of Austrian economics fairly recently). But to call the likes of Rockwell and other libertarians ‘lunatics’ is a baseless presumption, to put it nicely. See the news link about Christie’s comments above.
Some of what he says makes one think, can that be bad? I hope that the existence of these conspiracy theory types helps keep some of the conspiracies from happening (i.e. “I don’t want Alex Jones to be right because of something I’ve done in office…”)
Nah, he’s too paranoid. But he has some good guests on his show once in a while. Although they are probably not aware of how extreme his views are. Maybe they’d reconsider going on his show if they knew. But overall it’s difficult to take Jones seriously, since he thinks everything is some sort of a conspiracy.
Too melodramatic and theatrical.
Gotta throw this out there, as ridiculous as Jones his, he is a product and servant of the establishment, and no more ridiculous than Msnbc, Fox, CNN, Yahoo, ect, ect, ect. Anyone relying on mainstream news media for their information is asking to be dangerously misinformed.
Listen to him, yes. Believe him, no. Not unless I can find at least one, preferably several other sources to back up whatever he is saying. As others have said, he’s more an entertainer than a serious journalist, but every once in a while he’s right. And the things he says are sometimes frightening enough that I would hate to dismiss them out of hand just because he’s the one who said them.
Coast to coast am is a lot more entertaining.
He works amongst the tin foil hat fringe the best. Anti-Israel, NWO, 9/11 conspiracies, U.S. Govt worked behind the scenes to get the plane shot down over Ukraine. Etc,..et al.
His comment sections after his articles are all over the map from folks. But creative entertainment.
I need more foil, excuse me.
Tom, Jones is very pro-Isael, pro-Zionist.
Apparently from his wife and all his Ads/Sponsors…
Maybe so, but Tom needs to get his facts straight.
No. He’s a simple charlatan, and does nothing but hurt the bill of rights. He’s essentially Michael Moore but louder. And probably less smelly.
I refuse to credit anything that lunatic says.
He doesn’t sound like a bad guy but I don’t really fall for conspiracy theories that aren’t based in fact.
He is a walking anti-gun meme. His act is now a running joke.
Axle Jones and Michael Moore or Peirs Morgan should start a TV show talking about current events. It may only last 4 or 5 episodes, but it would be pretty entertaining to watch.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he were just a shill who got paid to damage the perception of activists of various issues (gun rights, Benghazi, 9/11 truth, etc.).
I’ve seen this argument used in response to these issues: “What? Are you insane like Alex Jones or something?” I call it the “argumentum ad Alex”.
It’s fallacious, yes, but perception is reality, and Alex Jones harms the perception of gun rights, property rights, Benghazi, etc.
Like my daddy SHOULD have said, “if you’re busy bitchin’, you ain’t busy fixin”.
Another useless mouthy whiner.
Not really, no. Every once in a great while, though, he turns out to be right about something. Like the whole extra-legal drone wars in Asia, and government spying. And the fact that he is ever right at all, with his spitting, often incoherent, and screaming rants, is kind of scary when you think about it…
Most of the time, though, I can and do safely write him off as a crackpot.
Alex Jones is like a stopped clock: Correct twice a day. To answer your question: No, Alex is not good for gun rights. If you want a pure play in “constitutional libertarianism,” stick with Mike Church.
Hes just another entertainer, we shouldn’t put him on a pedestal.
With that being said…id rather his viewers follow his style of anti government and gun ownership than his viewers following the ramblings of a feminist on Huffington Post.
I will take an america of conspiracy theory wackos over feminist social marxist “intellectuals” any day.
So Alex Jones pushes a farrago of conspiracy theories? Are any of them involving Robert Farago?
@TomW, jones is very pro- Israel, his material has a strong Zionist influence.
I don’t listen to him but sometimes I read what he thinks and says. Some of it’s true. Obama is tearing this country apart. The militarization of the police. The school food Nazi’s. Government intrusion into everything. The border (is it really a border?), and Obamas reaction or lack thereof. The control of the press (a Republican president would have been pillored fo what Obama doesn’t let the press in on). The executive order banning the importation of the M1 (never been used in a criminal situation) and the refusal to allow M14’s into the country (and they don’t want your guns?). The pass given to Google, Microsoft, etc in terms of visas, etc, blah, blah, blah.
A lot of this has been going on for 40 years, Republicans and Democrats. It’s only getting worse.
Alex Jones is part of the tin foil and black helicopter crowd.
That said, even the crazies have something to say from time to time. While I do not subscribe to him, I will when bored give a look to see what he is saying but take in everything with a soup ladle of salt.
He does gun owners and others no favors with his often kooky theories that are completely baseless. It is scary how many followers he has which I consider truly the “fringe” There are people like him on the left as well. Every political group has an Alex Jones and they are all mostly ignored.
He does not represent me, but he can be entertaining at times.
@akira, you seem to be the only commenter here who understands who Jones really is and what function he serves.
Mike Judge based the Dale Gribble character on King of the Hill on Alex Jones. In reality Alex Jones is a cartoonish parody of Dale Gribble.
Speaks more truth than the MSM does lately. Though he does does have nice shiny fringe credentials…
I’ve been to his website a few times. A lot of it is legitimate news from wire services, seamlessly mixed in with the nutty theories that his staff writes. I’m interested to find out what his relationship with the Russian gov is. He is a huge apologist for Russia, parroting the kremlin’s RT network on the Ukraine War, and he also frequently appears on that network. Wouldn’t it be funny if he was getting paid by Russia all this time to smear and slander the American govt (ie 9/11 truth bs)? I mean, I dislike the Obama admin immensely, but I strongly doubt they are colluding with the UN to put me in a FEMA camp.
Hey, FEMA camps have volleyball! And tennis!
Look up “Active Measures” by the USSR sometime. Various KGB operations were conducted to spread anti-US conspiracy theories right here in America. They include AIDS denialism/design as a weapon, moon landing hoax, JFK assassination theories, water fluoridation, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if it’s still done.
The KGB is certainly capable and willing to do such things, so it wouldn’t surprise me one bit. One little known fact is that as the Soviet Union began to fall apart, the kremlin dispatched KGB agents across the globe to grow dissention across the world, particularly in the middle east and south America, with the goal or drawing the US into protracted wars in these places. This in turn would weaken American financially, politically, and militarily. This would be done to impede the US from interfering with the rebirth of the Soviet Union. Turns out the plan is working. Putin plays chess while the west plays hopscotch.
No I don’t. He is a bad thing for the 2A. He reminds me of a pro gun Piers Morgan. Next question.
He’s not wrong about a lot of things, but his absolutionist all-in full retard style turn me off really easily.
Like one of the above said, if I want conspiracy, its CTM and John B Wells for me.
The fact that you think all of the things you cited:
…is still “THEORY,” tells me you better start assessing more geopolitics than who makes the best slide-stop replacement, what’s the best lubricant, to who does the best tacticool dance, etc.
Plus, Bob, in case you have no idea what a collectivist is, unless you like being one, I’d ask that you assess your own line of question, like these, and see if it qualifies: “So, is Jones a good thing or a bad thing for Americans’ firearms freedom?”
You mean… like he MADE you angry, like “he MADE you look bad” by saying x, y, z , NOT targeted directly AT you??
Whatever another person does, how you CHOOSE to interpret that action or statement, is entirely up to you.
Now, a collectivist would obviously assume that someone whom they imagine to hold a membership card to an unwritten ‘club’ because they assume someone has identifiable, shared common traits, and will choose to lump you in (an act which you can never control) with the alchemical magic word: ‘them,’ and characterize that what he/she does reflects poorly on all of “YOU”/US/THEM.”
For instance: a Jew/blackman/Latino/Asian/Arab robbing a liquor store, makes all Jews/blackmen/Latinos/Asians/Arabs look bad.
Well… does it?? Or when an individual chooses to violate someone or destroy/steal property, it just makes that said single individual scumfuck, ‘look bad?’
And you say you lean libertarian, Bob?? Oy veh.
If there is anything every gunnie should agree on? Everyone is an individual. Now, of course, the hoplophobe collectivists want to act like they’re always a group, which is why one should always treat ‘them,’ as “them:” a group of people who share common beliefs/traits/characteristics who delude that by the mere virtue of existence and tribal identity to that said same beliefs/traits/characteristics, that they’re by automatically deserved an extra or special set of rights, and deem themselves to belong to a fictitious, very un-common law-esque ‘class’ of nonexistent legal fiction called a “protected class.”
Never mind that even within confines of the Constitution, under “No Bills of Attainder”-clause, the mere notion of “protected class” whether one can argue a particular group of people have been traditionally institutionally and culturally discriminated against, that they’re ‘deserved’ extra protection under the law, is irrelevant: laws apply equally (well in theory, duh: ever seen a govt employee receive the same legal fate, as us mere ‘peons’ for the said same alleged infraction? Say…’accidental discharge’ with NO ONE injured: they get paid vacation, ‘we’ the citizens, face felony charges, etc).
There are no roadmaps to freedom.
Plus with 50 employees, with annual operating budget/payroll/bandwith/legal of $5mil-ish, with 15-20million listeners a week, as one of the most popular websites…in the WORLD (that’d be more than your TTAG, Bob), he’s gonna continue to do what he believes, just as you would with your TTAG, and let the market decide.
Hate to tell ya, but frankly, Alex Jones has had on more roster of informed individuals from former and present members of congress, govt whistleblowers, gun rights activists, firearms industry professionals, geopolitical analysts, health industry professionals, scientists, roboticists, futurists, economists, and everyday citizen journalists in his 19yrs on air, than you’ve ever had on your TTAG reviewing couple of gun bills, industry professionals, and gear reviews.
Facts Bob. Just facts.
Frankly, if your idea of politics, and what the approved range of topic & discourse ‘should be,’ is somewhere between FauxNews and MSDNC, and your idea of going intellectually ‘rogue’ is the ‘Tea-Party,’ I’d ask you the following: in the same breath you rail on MSM day in and day out biased anti-gun coverage, and general lying 24/7, yet at your age (past 56, most don’t give a fuck what anyone else says, at least among those I’ve met), to get queasy if someone deviates from the very same Ruling Political Class & their main stream media sycophants-dictated/approved/limited range of topics and discussions, guess who needs to expand their geopolitical Repertoire…a wee bit, Bob.
OKC…no govt involvement? So why is TRENTADUE v. UNITED STATES still moving forth, Bob? http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-10th-circuit/1400576.html
Bilderberg Group? Really?
So…you think when a collection of heads of states & their secondary & tertiary functionaries/commissars/apparatchiks, policy wonks, National Security Council members and their counterparts from around the world, media heads, industry ‘captains’ meet in secret, with YOUR taxdollars paying for security and hotel/lodging…what, they’re coming together to discuss the next golf game?? You think there’s nothing weird about MSM monkeys covering Brangelina and their buddies meeting anywhere with all the cameras in the world, while touting annual Davos…but not Bilderberg…is just a-okay??
Really? Have you ever owned a company with 250,000~5million employees? When you exert the economic destiny over that many lives, you’re in fact big as most nation’s GDPs, if not more in some cases, uh…yeah, that kinds fucking affects your life, if ever so ignorance-is-bliss-ly.
So guess there’s nothing strange, or real, about a clique of globalist combine that’s denied its existence for decades, so pressed on by public exposure to the point that it became undeniable, that they now are doing quasi-PR-‘soft-ffensive’ by even setting up a website with an official list of attendees?? http://bilderbergmeetings.org/participants.html
Bob, if you don’t know that you don’t know, you’ll never know that you don’t know, no?
Wanna know the most ironic thing about all this? Day in and day out, your blogs full of ‘shoulda been a DGU’ posts. What that implicitly admits is the existence of human predators among our midst.
But, in the ‘evolved,’ civilized 21st century, for some fucking reason, from the very same audience who ‘get’ the “conspiratorial” (just means to “breathe together” as in two or more got together to plan something) nature of the “Disarmament Industrial Complex,” yet somehow, when a group of the biggest human predators, those who see the common man as ‘peons’ to be controlled and dictated to, who’ve never went away from the days of monarchy, somehow magically don’t exist, and only exist in the form of a lowly bank robber.
A smalltime bank robber does not have a lobbyist, a congressional scumfuck on speed dial, with a contact at bank to shift millions around, with an army of lawyers to justify a coporatist bill designed to steal your livelihood and call it tax, nor disarm you under the mere accusation by an unknown stranger of ill intent and be admitted to psych ward, leading to gun confiscation as is being beta-tested in California (also a conspiracy theory to the Hoplophobes), nor an access to the nuclear football.
Human predators come in all shapes and sizes. Traditionally, the most dangerous in post 19th century, come in 3piece suits, and army of sociopathic nerd lawyers justifying it all: hey, EVERYTHING Nazis did, were ‘legal,’ under their law. Gee…wonder why, Bob.
Now, most gunnies know that any gun control legislation leads to confiscation (also a conspiracy theory…to the hoplophobes, even though it’s true), which assumes that those who legislate…”conspired” to legislate and in PR say one thing, but in fact in their internal agenda, want another. Yet somehow, when more is at stake (in terms of risk/reward/centralized control), at geopolitical machinations, you somehow imply that that’s all imaginary??
No, really?? Conspiracies at drug cartel levels…but not at geopolitical machinations…even though history is just one long series of Machiavellian false flags, to rile up idiot brainwashed sheeple population who delude they’re immune from propaganda when they were bred to be the most susceptible…and yet, apparently all that never-eradicatable part of human nature…somehow magically disappeared in the 21st century, now that we got iPhones??
Then again, hoplophobes delude YOU, yes YOU, the FUDDS & FAWG/FOWG/OFWG, are “conspiracy theorists” for ‘believing’ the reality, documented fact of ATF Fast & Furious gun-running as an anti-gun, confiscatory-legislation casus belli.
Not to mention, they think the same about you for believing Benghazi as ‘nefarious’… even though, possibly the most respected investigative journalist alive, Sy Hersh (a leftist at that), is on record, stating the that Benghazi was in fact a coverup for CIA-gunrunning post-Gaddafi-coup Libyan arms to Al-Nusra Front in Syria/ISIS aka al-CIA-da (the base, as in a literal Islamist mercenary database), so ‘off the res’-inconvenient truth was it to the NYT & New Yorker mag where he often publishes, they wouldn’t even touch it, that he had to have it published at London Review of Books:
The Red Line and the Rat Line
Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels
Vol. 36 No. 8 · 17 April 2014
pages 21-24 | 5870 words
Sure, let’s just go back to watching bunch of gun-neophyte 95lbs girls shooting 10gauge and falling on their asses on YouTube Yay! And the latest 1000rd palletful of ammo price fluctuations, ’cause that’s the only important thing in the world.
Just like hoplophobes: just because they want to ignore inconvenient facts either they’re emotionally predisposed to apriori NOT want to look, assess, doesn’t change facts, history, and reality, just because their emotive, insecure egos cannot handle the truth.
Reality, don’t give a fuck about your feelings or what you willfully choose to “BELIEVE,” or NOT believe.
Everyone has their willful apriori blinders. Seems we’ve found yours, Farago.
But the govt lied about Tuskegee, Operation Northwoods, Rex84, Operation AJAX, RMS Lusitania, USS Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, NSA spying. But WTF, be that Stockholm Syndromer who deludes that he beats you, ’cause he loves you.’
The nature of govt and their corporatist Quisling colluders is to lie, 24/7.
They’re just another fancy word for human predators…no different than a crackhead low life armed robber. Just because they wear suits and can finish a full sentence, don’t make them any less predatory; of course, in fact, those who come to murder you in suits and lawsuits, are exponentially, infinitely more dangerous human predators than any common criminal, or any predatory animal in the wild.
Long story short: you have no control over what he does. But the least you can do is, not pretend what he and others talk about are irrelevant.
Plus Bob, how many times have you been featured in DrudgeReport? You do know that DrudgeReport de facto drives world’s most popular news cycles, right? And, he has Alex Jones on it, for a reason.
By the way, I’m in no way affiliated with Alex Jones, or his operation in anyway. Nor, am I a ‘fan.’ Events, items he talks about are open secrets, if you bother to simply read any govt documents, and thinktank whitepapers. Of course, he’s a loud mouthed-Texan. But adults learn to discern style vs substance: just because one may dislike an individual and his/her delivery, does not negate the veracity of the info, when it’s true.
But then again, it’s all conspiracy theory. So whoTF cares, right, Farago?
Thank you for having the patience to explain this to these people. They need a massive wake up call.
I had been critical of Jones for years for his spittle generating, teeth clenching rants that only served to embarrass anyone who attempted to recommend Alex’s show to anyone they cared about. Needless to say, the road of the informed can be a rather lonely one, since the vast majority of people can’t fathom having to alter their “bubble” and their fragile reality.
And, as you had inferred, we all have to take everything with a grain of salt. Needless to say, the list of interviews with all of Alex’s guests is quite impressive and just what part of that these neanderthals don’t understand is beyond me. Now, according to them, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, and the rest of Alex’s guest speakers must all be part of a much larger conspiracy to create the illusion of a conspiracy. That’s what they would have us believe.
Alright Mr Big shot. Check this out. You’ll be right when all these UN agenda 21 blue helmeted troops start magically hearding everyone on to trains in a couple of months. Because that’s always when its going to happen right? ever since about 10 years ago? In a couple of months, the UN agenda 21 blah blah blah… coffins for the American people horseshit it what it is. Your living in a fantasy land. But here’s the thing. You’ve put together all this pseudo science evidence, that amounts to what? When is the “event” going to take place? Because It hasn’t happened yet, and its not going to happen. Ever, you know why? Because its not real. People inherently have this need to feel important, that something big is about to happen, and they’re going to have to do something important in their lives… Because its human nature to feel this way, and then look for a reason too. But its not going to. Keep screaming about it all you want, keep finding new information and shocking revelations. But at the end of the day, there are no Russian divisions training to take over on US soil. Its just not real.
Really, not to belabor the obvious, but do you know how to use a search engine?? So basically, you’ve never looked up Trentadue, nor Bilderberg, but now you wanna whine to me about UN Blue Helmets?? LOL
Buddy, I ain’t your shrink, lest you don’t even know that you’re merely “she doth protests too much” projecting here:
Did you actually think you’ve accomplished something, or rebutted anything with the following? Your ‘rebuttal’ is the equivalent of a hoplophobe telling a gunnie to never train with guns they do have, ’cause “imaginary scenarios like ‘that’ can NEVER happen,” and “don’t ‘need’ it!”, etc… just because he/she said so. Not that I even mentioned UNA21, but what the hell: glad you’re just notifying us all here that you attended a talking points seminar session with DailyKos.com or something. Congrats! Yay! LOL.
Newsflash, an emotive declarative statement is not a rebuttal, nor a basis for an argument:
By the way, it’s spelled “hERding,” NOT “hEARding.”
I enjoy the predictable de rigueur ‘p0wnage’ attempts from a capable rebuttalist, as anyone used to ineffective non-sequiturs in YouTube comment sections would. But truly though, it takes the joy out, when someone who’s attempting to proverbially ‘p0wnz’ me, utterly disqualifies himself, by deploying a detail-absent minded exhibit, in the form of a stupid typo.
It’s made all the worse, by the self-evident fact that, that said person cannot even demonstrate that he has command of the subject matter he thinks he knows.
While I’ve never brought up the topic of “UN blue helmets,” let alone your unicorn full-retard Call of Duty scenario of a round up by next week or something, nevertheless, it’s obvious to me that you’ve never researched the topic enough to know any better. Let alone, ever heard AJ shows enough to know that your simpleton z-grade non-hardy har har sarc. characterization is nowhere near what he talks about.
Again, I don’t need AJ to ‘tell me/dictate to me’ to believe something, when it’s in black and white; like I said: it’s “open secret,” if you actually ever bothered to read govt and/or ‘think’tanks’ policy papers/white papers. But of course, that would actually mean that you were serious, about things other than seeking out the best price for a replacement recoil spring; consider yourself bitchslapped:
Several documents signed during joint work of Russian Emergency Ministry and FEMA
26 June 2013 11:32
In case you don’t know, FEMA is under the jurisdiction of DHS now. Just military & emergency drills, which to you, you’ll probably rationalize to yourself as ‘US-Russo cross-training for something akin to grounded ship in the arctic salvage drill.’ LOL. Keep rationalizing.
But WTF, no ‘UN directed confiscation and/or round-up plans’ on paper, guess unless you’re the motherfucking United States STATE DEPARTMENT, who expects none of its delusional trendie peons to ever read any one of its numerous boring documents, outlining its plans; thanks for just proving my point, and unfortunately living up to their obnoxious assessment of the absent-minded, distracted, historically amnesic, geopolitically apathetic sheeple populace.
Seeing as how you’ve demonstrated already that you’re not curious, nor serious, or even capable of using a search engine, I’m providing the following merely as a reference, for the literate & curious adults, who are capable of assessing geopolitical meta:
Freedom From War, The United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World
U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE
DEPARTMENT OF STATE PUBLICATION 7277
Disarmament Series 5
Released September 1961
Office of Public Services
BUREAU OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
For sale by the Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government
Printing Office, Washington 25, D.C. – Price 15 cents
The revolutionary development of modern weapons within a world divided by serious ideological differences has produced a crisis in human history. In order to overcome the danger of nuclear war now confronting mankind, the United States has introduced at the Sixteenth General Assembly of the United Nations a Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World.
This new program provides for the progressive reduction of the war-making capabilities of nations and the simultaneous strengthening of international institutions to settle disputes and maintain the peace. It sets forth a series of comprehensive measures which can and should be taken in order to bring about a world in which there will be freedom from war and security for all states. It is based on three principles deemed essential to the achievement of practical progress in the disarmament field:
First, there must be immediate disarmament action:
A strenuous and uninterrupted effort must be made toward the goal of general and complete disarmament; at the same time, it is important that specific measures be put into effect as soon as possible.
Second, all disarmament obligations must be subject to effective international controls:
The control organization must have the manpower, facilities, and effectiveness to assure that limitations or reductions take place as agreed. It must also be able to certify to all states that retained forces and armaments do not exceed those permitted at any stage of the disarmament process.
Third, adequate peace-keeping machinery must be established:
There is an inseparable relationship between the scaling down of national armaments on the one hand and the building up of international peace-keeping machinery and institutions on the other. Nations are unlikely to shed their means of self-protection in the absence of alternative ways to safeguard their legitimate interests. This can only be achieved through the progressive strengthening of international institutions under the United Nations and by creating a United Nations Peace Force to enforce the peace as the disarmament process proceeds.
There follows a summary of the principal provisions of the United States Program for General and Complete Disarmament in a Peaceful World. The full text of the program is contained in an appendix to this pamphlet.
FREEDOM FROM WAR
THE UNITED STATES PROGRAM
FOR GENERAL AND COMPLETE DISARMAMENT
IN A PEACEFUL WORLD
DISARMAMENT GOAL AND OBJECTIVES
The over-all goal of the United States is a free, secure, and peaceful world of independent states adhering to common standards of justice and international conduct and subjecting the use of force to the rule of law; a world which has achieved general and complete disarmament under effective international control; and a world in which adjustment to change takes place in accordance with the principles of the United Nations.
In order to make possible the achievement of that goal, the program sets forth the following specific objectives toward which nations should direct their efforts:
The disbanding of all national armed forces and the prohibition of their reestablishment in any form whatsoever other than those required to preserve internal order and for contributions to a United Nations Peace Force;
The elimination from national arsenals of all armaments, including all weapons of mass destruction and the means for their delivery, other than those required for a United Nations Peace Force and for maintaining internal order;
The institution of effective means for the enforcement of international agreements, for the settlement of disputes, and for the maintenance of peace in accordance with the principles of the United Nations;
The establishment and effective operation of an International Disarmament Organization within the framework of the United Nations to insure compliance at all times with all disarmament obligations.
TASK OF NEGOTIATING STATES
The negotiating states are called upon to develop the program into a detailed plan for general and complete disarmament and to continue their efforts without interruption until the whole program has been achieved. To this end, they are to seek the widest possible area of agreement at the earliest possible date. At the same time, and without prejudice to progress on the disarmament program, they are to seek agreement on those immediate measures that would contribute to the common security of nations and that could facilitate and form part of the total program.
The program sets forth a series of general principles to guide the negotiating states in their work. These make clear that:
As states relinquish their arms, the United Nations must be progressively strengthened in order to improve its capacity to assure international security and the peaceful settlement of disputes;
Disarmament must proceed as rapidly as possible, until it is completed, in stages containing balanced, phased, and safeguarded measures;
Each measure and stage should be carried out in an agreed period of time, with transition from one stage to the next to take place as soon as all measures in the preceding stage have been carried out and verified and as soon as necessary arrangements for verification of the next stage have been made;
Inspection and verification must establish both that nations carry out scheduled limitations or reductions and that they do not retain armed forces and armaments in excess of those permitted at any stage of the disarmament process; and
Disarmament must take place in a manner that will not affect adversely the security of any state.
The program provides for progressive disarmament steps to take place in three stages and for the simultaneous strengthening of international institutions.
The first stage contains measures which would significantly reduce the capabilities of nations to wage aggressive war. Implementation of this stage would mean that:
The nuclear threat would be reduced:
All states would have adhered to a treaty effectively prohibiting the testing of nuclear weapons.
The production of fissionable materials for use in weapons would be stopped and quantities of such materials from past production would be converted to non-weapons uses.
States owning nuclear weapons would not relinquish control of such weapons to any nation not owning them and would not transmit to any such nation information or material necessary for their manufacture.
States not owning nuclear weapons would not manufacture them or attempt to obtain control of such weapons belonging to other states.
A Commission of Experts would be established to report on the feasibility and means for the verified reduction and eventual elimination of nuclear weapons stockpiles.
Strategic delivery vehicles would be reduced:
Strategic nuclear weapons delivery vehicles of specified categories and weapons designed to counter such vehicles would be reduced to agreed levels by equitable and balanced steps; their production would be discontinued or limited; their testing would be limited or halted.
Arms and armed forces would be reduced:
The armed forces of the United States and the Soviet Union would be limited to 2.1 million men each (with appropriate levels not exceeding that amount for other militarily significant states); levels of armaments would be correspondingly reduced and their production would be limited.
An Experts Commission would be established to examine and report on the feasibility and means of accomplishing verifiable reduction and eventual elimination of all chemical, biological and radiological weapons.
Peaceful use of outer space would be promoted:
The placing in orbit or stationing in outer space of weapons capable of producing mass destruction would be prohibited.
States would give advance notification of space vehicle and missile launchings.
U.N. peace-keeping powers would be strengthened:
Measures would be taken to develop and strengthen United Nations arrangements for arbitration, for the development of international law, and for the establishment in Stage II of a permanent U.N. Peace Force.
An International Disarmament Organization would be established for effective verification of the disarmament program:
Its functions would be expanded progressively as disarmament proceeds.
It would certify to all states that agreed reductions have taken place and that retained forces and armaments do not exceed permitted levels.
It would determine the transition from one stage to the next.
States would be committed to other measures to reduce international tension and to protect against the chance of war by accident, miscalculation, or surprise attack:
States would be committed to refrain from the threat or use of any type of armed force contrary to the principles of the U.N. Charter and to refrain from indirect aggression and subversion against any country.
A U.N. peace observation group would be available to investigate any situation which might constitute a threat to or breach of the peace.
States would be committed to give advance notice of major military movements which might cause alarm; observation posts would be established to report on concentrations and movements of military forces.
The second stage contains a series of measures which would bring within sight a world in which there would be freedom from war. Implementation of all measures in the second stage would mean:
Further substantial reductions in the armed forces, armaments, and military establishments of states, including strategic nuclear weapons delivery vehicles and countering weapons;
Further development of methods for the peaceful settlement of disputes under the United Nations;
Establishment of a permanent international peace force within the United Nations;
Depending on the findings of an Experts Commission, a halt in the production of chemical, bacteriological and radiological weapons and a reduction of existing stocks or their conversion to peaceful uses;
On the basis of the findings of an Experts Commission, a reduction of stocks of nuclear weapons;
The dismantling or the conversion to peaceful uses of certain military bases and facilities wherever located; and
The strengthening and enlargement of the International Disarmament Organization to enable it to verify the steps taken in Stage II and to determine the transition to Stage III.
During the third stage of the program, the states of the world, building on the experience and confidence gained in successfully implementing the measures of the first two stages, would take final steps toward the goal of a world in which:
States would retain only those forces, non-nuclear armaments, and establishments required for the purpose of maintaining internal order; they would also support and provide agreed manpower for a U.N. Peace Force.
The U.N. Peace Force, equipped with agreed types and quantities of armaments, would be fully functioning.
The manufacture of armaments would be prohibited except for those of agreed types and quantities to be used by the U.N. Peace Force and those required to maintain internal order. All other armaments would be destroyed or converted to peaceful purposes.
The peace-keeping capabilities of the United Nations would be sufficiently strong and the obligations of all states under such arrangements sufficiently far-reaching as to assure peace and the just settlement of differences in a disarmed world.
I’m glad I made you so angry. I say again. I’ll believe it when I see it. Keep spewing it, some people will listen. The rest will go on with our lives as nothing happens, because its not going to happen. Enjoy.
The following just proves anyone sane’s point about willful, blissful ignorance; should check if your spouse is cheating on ya, ’cause with denial self-rationalization like that, you won’t believe your own “lying eyes;” LOL:
Psst, you don’t need my permission to simply ignore reality, and “go on with” your life; that’s not a ‘statement’ you need to make, when you’re being obvious about it. xD
Oh, by the way: “LOL” & “xD” would be self-evident verbal exclamations representative of bemusement, ie someone else laughing AT you. Not “angry:” I ‘get’ that probably not too many people take you seriously, so people like you tend to conflate a solid, fact based answer with “opinions” ’cause it makes your denial easier. I ‘get’ it. It’s gonna be okay, kiddo.
That said, reality doesn’t give fuck about what you “believe.” Unless you think you’re Stalin and you actually think that you’re some arbiter of truth, that people need your approval, before they begin to allow themselves to see and admit the obvious. Sure, whyTF: ‘I’ll ‘believe’ you, when I see you with a girl, that you’ve ever been with one,’ ‘I’ll ‘believe’ you, when I see you out side of your zipcode to know that you’ve actually seen beyond your home,’ etc, etc, etc, etc.
Some non-spewy ‘logic’ you’re exhibiting there. xD
Guess you’ll believe gravity, only when YOU ‘see’ it, too. xD (again, laughing AT you.)
Hey, like you’ll believe NSA illegally spies on you, when YOU see it; technically seeing as how you’ve never seen Snowden and his own W-2 to verify for yourself that he ever worked there, let alone the documents he holds then handed off to Greenwald, all that too must be just some crazy nerd “spewing” shit, right? LOL
LOL (again, AT you): when 95% of the previous reply box consists of quoting (psst: that would be the portion in post-“
Excepting the harsh treatment of RF (I have respect for both AJ and RF), that was one heck of a good rebuttal. I couldn’t really argue with any of it. Well done, sir.
In a nutshell….No, not anymore than I listen to to the paid establishment mouthpieces on CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ect.
How can readers of this site agree that their second amendment is under attack and not think it is part of a larger agenda (i.e. conspiracy)? If the government wants to disarm you, open the border to violent, diseased criminals, and closely ally itself with Saudi Arabia and communist China then what else might it be capable of. The truth ain’t nice and if you can’t accept all of it then go watch Michael Moore films, be a mom that demands action, and offer your home to house unaccompanied foreign minors. I’m done with this website.
“Conspiracy” implies a secret plan. The Democrat’s plan to disarm us is no secret.
Bye-bye, Bede. If you can’t conceive that so-called gun control might stand alone as an issue, without having anything to do with any broader conspiracy, then don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out. I think you need to recalibrate your alumnum-foil skullcap. I, btw, am no proponent of the kind of gun control that keeps me from owning any equipment I choose with which to defend me and mine, AK-47, AR-15, Barrett .50 cal., full-auto capacity weapons, magazines of any size that doesn’t entail feeding problems, etc., but at the same time I understand the concerns of those who deplore the frequency with which firearms are involved in the loss of non-criminal lives. I simply take issue with the means by which some people want to address those concerns.
Good. Let the door hit you on the way out. Have fun in infowars land ruining your life with conspiracy theory nonsense. You do realize that by taking everything you see and read in as absolute fact you are in fact behaving just like the pro government statist right? Think for yourself and be objectionable, question everything and don’t trust anyone. Alex Jones is simply doing this for money. He doesn’t care about you, he just wants fame and money. If you want the real truth, study history, particularly political history, read reports from actual leaks (like the pentagon papers or Edward Snowden), and study the American political process. Far more of that the government does is in the name of greed, and corruption for the sake of capital gain. Not some silly wild alien agenda chalked full of depopulation. Obsession with conspiracy theories will ruin your life just like drugs, I’ve seen it happen multiple times.
The irony is that you are the statist right that you advise him not to be. Yes Alex Jones is full of shit, most here can agree on this, and yet you pretend you are an independent thinker and advise him not to trust anyone and think for himself, yet nearly all of your posts (there are numerous contradictions in your post here alone) reflect exactly that kind of position. You are either a liar or a hypocrite, take your choice.
Bede, I’ve seen the TTAG shills gleefully run off at least a few posters who point out obvious inconsistencies such as (alleged)gun owners here who discuss the agenda of gun control and the overt propaganda and lies associated with pushing that agenda forward, yet all the while belligerently denying that propaganda and lies are used to push other agendas outside of gun control, and staunchly defending the very system that is trying to disarm them.
I like how no one on here claims Alex Jones, because doing so would make you seem crazy. Yet, the exact same theories he espouses are constantly floating around these forums.
Look, obviously the guy could connect the dots on a Lindsey Lohan’s face into a conspiracy, but that doesn’t mean, in a general sense, that the “Bilderberg Consipiracy” doesn’t hold any water. Companies collude all the time to rig the market. Why not governments. I don’t think it is a stretch to say that “puppet masters” exist. History is pretty sympathetic to conspiracy theorists.
He is a “useful idiot” in many ways. I will take support for the 2nd amendment and freedom wherever I get it. Doesn’t mean I have to buy into his crazy conspiracies. In particular I can’t understand the 9-11 conspiracies as his science and engineering facts are off mark.
@greentriump, I didn’t realize jones had any science or engineering facts of his own. So do all the architects and engineers in the 9/11 have their science and engineering facts wrong also?
Building 7. He’s also right about “them” hating the middle class. Our standard of living is dropping.
What about building 7? Did that “structural engineer” on YouTube prove anything? No. Buildings collapse days after incidents. It happens. Especially after earthquakes. Ever think about how much the WTC registered on the Richter scale after collapsing? Especially in a part of the country where they never build things to handle earth quakes.
Was going to call you on your post, but what’s the point.
People who follow Alex Jones have an amazing confidence in the competence of the government. Things like 9/11, Boston bombing, Oklahoma City bombing, Sandy Hook, etc were all masterfully executed coverups that each required a massive amount of coordination and secrecy never seen before, yet they forget that Nixon (one of the most equally savvy, power hungry, and paranoid presidents we’ve had) couldn’t even manage to have his guys break into a psychiatrist’s office without getting caught.
Guys that literally were at the top of the CIA too. Also they couldn’t even kill Castro.
They are most certainly way overestimating the capabilities of government.
I mean shit, imagine the DMV trying to orchestrate a conspiracy. There ya go. Hows that for occam’s razor logic?
No. Absolutely not. Nobody should listen to that fool.
Further, I would caution strongly against even acknowledging him just because he “supports gun rights”. He’s a damned loon, and anybody who allies themselves with him should be dismissed as a loon themselves.
I kinda feel like the way South Park does. At least 1/4.
A bad thing. A very bad thing…
Alex Jones is not perfect nor is anyone else so I do not rely solely on him or anyone else but instead I keep my eyes and ears open for any and all alternative media.
Bad thing. Terrible, really, but not quite as bad as the idiots who carry rifles into grocery stores.
One of Alex Jones’ “field reporter” cronies keeps showing up to our Pro-2A rallies at the RI State House, and the dude is a complete loon. Whenever he speaks on the podium he makes us look like a bunch of nutjobs (the organizers make him speak last as a result), and in the last legislative hearing I was at, he was told to leave during his testimony…..and the Capitol Police had to come in after he wouldn’t shut up and leave.
Whenever people in the crowd see him take the stand, there’s usually a collective groan muttered amongst ourselves.
I agree. There’s such a difference between Alex’s so-called “field reporter” and let’s say, David Knight. It’s going from “Oh, brother” to “Thank God.”
Many years ago, I thought that he was a profiteer. I didn’t have a kind word for the man. Even though I still rarely agree with his conclusions, I now have a lot of respect for Alex Jones. I do occasionally read some of the articles on PrisonPlanet.com. He’s been around a long while and saying things all along that weren’t popular to say. I have to give him credit for consistently putting out there what he believed to be the truth. My thoughts on him summed up in one word: respect.
No, I don’t bother paying attention to the man. It was funny to see him using Piers Morgan’s own tactics against him though.
He’s basically a snake oil salesman. He says he takes colloidal silver, and wouldn’t you know it, he has big ads from a colloidal sliver pusher.
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Anybody seen the “news presenter” on the Alex Jones channel, Lee Ann McAdoo?…. Wowwza 😉
Alex Jones reminds me of those whack jobs when I was recruiting that would run up to me out of nowhere and speak loudly about how Obama was doing X, Y and Z and that he was going to declare martial law and FEMA camps were in the field across the street, and, and, and.. I couldn’t get away from them fast enough. I am not going to tell anyone what I think about the President online and certainly not in person in uniform. I don’t want to find out what happens when you get charged with UCMJ Article 88.
I also had some people with petitions try to corner me to sign it. I told them I can’t participate in anything of a political nature in uniform. They really wanted me to sign until I told them I was not a resident of the state. Then they left finally left me alone. Makes me wonder if they had a camera somewhere. Thats my conspiracy theory.
A broken click is right twice a day
AJ is right way less than than and only by accident
I have to confess I am only vaguely familiar with Jones. Like most conspiracy theories many have a kernel of truth. “We wrestle not with flesh and blood.”
This forum is funny, nearly everyone here allegedly supports the 2nd Amendment, but doesn’t believe there is an overt, private, public effort to disarm the public, everyone here believes the mainstream line on everything to Kennedy, 9/11, sandy hook, ect…. When statistically even the general public has a higher ratio of not believing the official lines on these, oh and nearly everyone here tows the hardcore Zionist Israel first line. Highly doubtful this forum is a legitimate sampling of the public, especially a subset that is (allegedly)sensitive to anti 2nd amendment motives of the government.
And here I was thinking the bed wetting liberals were the only ones that had the DNA to be able to ascertain what everybody else believes. Silly me…
silly is right, “bed wetting liberals”, man have they got you thinking inside the box.
Then please, why don’t you enlighten us with your vast array of knowledge as to why Kennedy was an inside job, why 9/11 was an inside job, and why sandy hook was an inside job? Because none of those theories have any reason in them whatsoever.
I usually don’t respond to shills, but here goes…why don’t you start by explaining building 7. I noticed on another post you mentioned building 7 as if it’s collapse was normal. Kennedy, Sandy Hook…I never said what I thought either way, you formed an opinion without understanding my post.
Oh, far from it, there, BS. The problem is that the information has been out there for years now and yet no matter how many times their being confronted with the information, they STILL choose to avoid connecting any dots, ……….. because if they did, the stress of having to deal with their being out to lunch all this time is too much for many to bear. Grow a pair, for Christ’s sake, suck it up and learn how to operate a search engine.
Sure, there’s a bunch of garbage out there; primarily because every fruitcake looney-tune with too much time on their hands is looking to get on a list of “WalMart People”. Jones was right about Bilderberg. When the former Washington Post owners (the Grahams) received accolades from the Bilderberg members for successfully camouflaging any news of their secretive meetings over the decades, the average person would have at least started to ask, WTF?
Now, while many people had been contemplating the existence of “squibs” in the Towers long before the towers actually fell, it now looks like there was a signature of low-grade remachined W54 nuclear warhead devices, which would easily explain why the cars immediately in front of the building had their paint blistered and rubber gaskets fried. A large number of people that day complained about radiation burns and we are still left wondering how white hot metal was still present in the basement almost a month after 9/11.
Another issue is that JET-A fuel, (used in the aircraft), has a BTU rating just below that of No.2 heating fuel. Now, every year, I’d have the oil burner tech come in and he’d tweak the burner so that it had a gorgeous yellow flame. It only operated with ambient air, mind you, and at its peak air fuel ratio, to get the maximum heat from it, somehow, miraculously, all those steel parts inside just never were compromised and after decades of use, yet somehow the severely oxygen starved flame front in the WTC scenario is now hot enough to melt steel altogether. Do the math; at least the simple stuff. It doesn’t add up at all.
Hysterical. Mr. Farago, love the homophone. Classy and pertinent.
I don’t listen to the extremists on either side of the spectrum.
@mediocrates, am I wrong then? Or just insults disguised as objective commentary in your play book?
There are a very few “media-people” of whom I follow closely in terms of reading verbatim…Jones is not one of them but I agree with some of what he says and make no apologies in doing so.
I think you ignore Jones outright at your own peril. He epitomizes the idea of keeping an open mind, and that’s something we could use more of around here. I also think he has more balls alone than we do collectively.
Having spent over eight years in the Marine Corps, I tend to not believe in vast conspiracies. It’s incredibly difficult to get a platoon of guys on the same page, let alone tens of thousands. Most” Conspiracies” are motivated by good old fashioned ass covering when the fit hits the Shan. Alex reminds me of a pig rooting around in the muck for acorns. Occasionally he uncovers one, but at the end of the day he’s still a pig, covered in mud.
Answer for the question of the day: NO. Alex Jones would work himself into a frothing-at-the-mouth rage over the sun setting.
I cringe whenever I see a juicy sounding DrudgeReport lede that links to InfoWars.com (Jones’ “news” website). I don’t want to give him the page views, so I religiously avoid clicking.
While conspiracy theorists are distracted with bullshit, complete utter bullshit, and the “debunkers” believe there are no conspiracies at all, you have
1.) the business plot: FACT
2.) CIA drug smuggling in the US with wall street collusion: FACT
3.) Iran-Contra: FACT
4.) Martin Luther King’s assassination and US government complicity: FACT
5.) US military industrial complex complicity to prolong the vietnam war: FACT
6.) US military industrial complex complicity to prolong the cold war: FACT
7.) The BATFE gun walking scandal: FACT
(i mean, jesus christ, just go through the timeline sometime http://rinosandrats.com/2011/09/the-gunwalker-scandal-overview-timeline/ and the AR15.com thread, which is the longest thread they have i believe)
8.) US government, Bush administration, conspiracy to engage in a war with Iraq by any means necessary for the world’s last recoverable reserves of oil: FACT
9.) Operation Northwoods, a proposed false flag attack on US soil to scapegoat the cubans and justify a larger war: FACT
10.) The corporatist plot in the United States to gut social entitlements, education, infrastructure through lobbying and wealth extraction/taxation to create a new serf class: FACT (but still believe the bullshit about “new economy”, “no dirty fingernail jobs”, “trickle down economics” ((which was refuted by Dr Paul Craig Roberts’ recent book; you know? one of the brain children of reaganomics?)and “social entitlements/labor organization being communism”)
(hint: plating two party politics will do nothing to make your life better and will shorten the life of our dear republic. keep marching towards your doom you fvcktards)
One could go on and on, but there are real conspiracies that did happen. Jones and co certainly aren’t helping shine light on them.
They can’t go there. Rather than looking at a broad spectrum of input and having to dismiss the oddities, they’d rather continue to stay in a state of denial in order to feel more comfortable sleeping at night.
Good timeline, BTW, but there’s so much more to add to it, particularly in the legislative arena, where successive politicians have fallen victim to the Rothschild (and others) house of corruption. It’s not just one small group of people trying to play God; it’s so many more people not being mindful of the minute to minute decisions they make that take this descent into hell closer to having biblical relevance ……. and I’m not even a religious person.
One of the greatest paradoxes in human history is that, regardless if you believe in the Rothschilds or not, secretive groups, whether bankers, corporatists, industrialists, etc are only as powerful as we the people allow them to be.
Caeser was only as powerful as the Romans allowed him to be. We have the capability to burn down cities and noose this shitbirds from the nearest maple tree for their heinous acts against humanity, but we dont. Therefore, we empower them and allow them to murder and steal with impunity while we engorge on antibiotic hotdogs, FOOTBALL!!!!, and other such ass clownery.
As a species, we are fundamentally fvcked.
The Rothschilds are not the only culprits here, as you must well know. The real culprit is what actor Rade Serbedzija (as the crippled sniper, Michael Sandor, in the movie classic, “Shooter”) stated to Mark Wahlberg (as Bob Lee Swagger), “There is no head to cut off. It’s a conglomerate. If one of them betrays the principles of the accrual of money and power, the others betray him. What it is is human weakness. You can’t kill that with a gun.”
At that point, we’re talking about human ego and the reasoning behind the drafting of the Ten Commandments, no matter what a person’s stand is on religion. Now, while I don’t happen to be a religious person, it doesn’t take a lot of rocket science to see what the attempts were, by early wise sages, to get people thinking constructively on the same page instead of quibbling over plots of land, stealing each others’ goats, and chopping each other’s heads off whenever there was a quarrel. That level of social myopia would leave an entire culture ripe for a takeover by outside, more organized, forces; Egyptians, Assyrians, etc.
But back to that ego, we are still, today, battling those same demons.
Yeah, BR549, it’s called The Human Condition.
“One could go on and on, but there are real conspiracies that did happen. Jones and co certainly aren’t helping shine light on them.”- you got that right. “US government, Bush administration, conspiracy to engage in a war with Iraq by any means necessary for the world’s last recoverable reserves of oil: FACT”- by any means…do you mean 9/11? or PNAC?
9/11 was abused to set the mindset for going to Iraq, even though Iraq had nothing to do with it. I dont put any stock in 9/11 conspiracy theories, instead believing that gross american negligence and stupidity led to terrorists flying air liners into the twin towers and pentagon. I mean, jesus christ, when Mossad and every intelligence agency in the western hemisphere is warning you of an impending attack, that should be a red flag. Even the Russian FSB warned us (like they did with the Boston bomber).
Nope. Instead, we “need” the PATRIOT act and a mass internal surveillance state even though the problem wasn’t lack of actionable intelligence. It was acting. Therefore, the entire premise of the Patriot Act, PRISM, and NSA surveillance state is utter horseshite and is a grand overreaction to an extraordinarily rare problem at the egregious cost of our precious civil liberties.
That is not even considering the inconvenient little fact that the very enemy that committed this horrendous crime was a monster we created. fromthewilderness has a excellent timeline of 9/11 and how the US basically created a perfect storm for the kind of islamic extremism we see today (and despite my disagreements with some of the author’s speculation and conjecture about 9/11, Michael Ruppert’s “Crossing the Rubicon” is one of the finest pieces of work about 9/11 that I’ve ever seen. If anything, that is what convinced me of the “criminal negligence/incompetence” theory behind 9/11)
When it comes to Iraq,
Im talking about the Nigerian yellowcake, Saddam wanting to trade Iraqi oil for Euros (which was bad since the Euro was rapidly rising against the dollar), and the Valerie Plame/Scooter Libby Affair. Then there is this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6272168.stm
and this http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/16/AR2007091601287_pf.html
I mean jesus fvcking christ. Its like they didn’t even try. Just lie their asses off and defraud the american public out of 3-4 trillion and, worse yet, thousands of lives of service members.
and not a single soul did any time in the supermax like they deserved. That is a fvcking irrefutably true conspiracy that the so-called mainstream “conspiracy theorists” are mysteriously silent about.
Sadly, all of these facts get lost in a ocean of reptilian, UFO, 9/11 airplane holograms and pentagon missiles, and sandy hook government false flag nonsense that makes the real conspiracies mild by comparison, therefore, people ignore them. Or, in the very worst, lump the intelligent thinkers in the same bushel as the David Icke-types.
I got a good laugh reading all the comments trashing Alex Jones. A bunch of pedantic, cop bashing, afraid-of-police-militarization, mall ninja, TTAG readers making fun of Alex Jones? It’s like the pot calling the kettle black.
“afraid of police militarization”…are you serious?
In what way, fvcktard?
Just because I dont like seeing SWAT panzergrenadiers killing babies with flashbangs, beating the mentally disabled to death, or killing private homeowners over marijuana, does that make me a “conspiracy theorist” like Alex Jones?
Its called common human decency and a love for freedom. Not this corporatist authoritarian hell we are taking the fast train to.
Most people here miss the role Jones plays, of course he is full of shit, he is essentially a mainstream propagandist whose role is to discredit people with certain opinions, gun owners being part of that group. It’s hard to believe most people posting here don’t recognize this, unless this site itself is loaded with shills. Jones’s work discredits gun owners, as well as many of the other ‘conspiracy theories’ he pretends to support. As gun owners you should understand by now that you have been out in a box with 9/11 truth seekers, Kennedy assassination, NWO, homegrown terroristsand(the list goes on and on)by the PTB via the media. It’s hard to believe the alleged gun owners who frequent this site are totally unaware of the box they have put into for public perception, and it’s harder to believe gun owners who (should) recognize the role propaganda and outright lies plays into the anti gun campaign don’t believe this propaganda as lying extends to other areas outside of gun control. In fact it’s flat out not believable.
Jones is like a broken clock; right twice a day (but wrong the rest of the time). With the anti’s promoting us as “nuts” what we don’t need is someone who is legitimately nuts making us look nuttier.
There is nothing wrong with Alex Jones, if you have the proper context – that is to say, if you view him as entertainment and not news, he’s great!
In a word…NOPE…
I’d say the “conspiracy theory” crowd has a pretty darn good record the past 5 or 6 years.
Examples of such successes, please.
Examples? There are over 15 or so years worth of examples (well over 100 years if you really want to get into some history), which anyone proficient with a search engine knows about. While you’ve apparently been in a total state of denial all these years, no doubt lounging back in your recliner with multiple beers and a lapful of Doritos crumbs anesthetizing yourself with the NFL, other people have learned to understand where they needed to draw their line in the sand of acceptable journalism; at least enough to be able to answer questions instead lamely asking others for proof.
It’s a growth process; trust me, and it requires courage enough to dump old, no longer viable paradigms and attempt to assimilate the multitude of information sources in order to make some sense of this new reality of globalism and deceit that has been festering under the surface of what we all thought was a successful democratic republic.
Ditch the Doritos and I’m sure there’s a gazillion people here with countless sources, who would be willing to help you on your path, but for you to start in with demanding examples more or less tells everyone that you’ve done squat so far. It’s like a seven y/o demanding the car keys from his parents.
to Brotherhood of Mud- wow tough guy- you have it all figured out huh?
type “pull it’ into YouTube- watch Larry Silverstein admit they pulled WTC7- then read the “Official” BS report that claims WTC 7 fell from fire weakened steel.
this proves someone is lying. if WTC 7 was pulled, on 911, as Larry states, then how was it rigged (a 46 story bldg.) in 5 hours or less on 911- since it fell that day at 5:30 PM? c’mon- think
C’mon Mud- do your homework. you sound like a libtard pretending Agenda 21 is not full tilt.
yuppie, pot bellied range fag shooting your new toys.
you’re worse than a golfer
like my buddy always said-“you can’t polish mud”.
For a bunch of people who don’t like AJ, Farrago’s question about him stirred up a long list of comments! I claim #198 as we head for the 200 mark!
BTW, UN Agenda 21 is not conspiracy theory. It is published on the UN website. It is an open invitation to join in a conspiracy to reset the global political structure for the benefit of the environment: http://sustainabledevelopment.un.org/content/documents/Agenda21.pdf
…Now… who will be poster #200?
I’ll shoot for #200.
You’re right. Agenda 21 is a freely available document from the UN web site. I’ve been following it since the mid-90’s and at least 15 years before I ever heard of Alex Jones.
It’s actually a fairly benign seeming document with very scary implications. Be warned, though, it’s a long document and a very dull read.