Question of the Day: Is Your Workplace a “Gun Free Zone”


I snapped this “no 1911’s allowed” sign in front of Round Rock’s Salata restaurant. Unless Salata posts a 30.06 (concealed carry) or 30.07 (open carry) sign at all entrances, a gun owner is free to walk in packing heat. That said, an employee is free to ask you to GTFO. Failure to leave upon a firearms-based request is a misdemeanor. Repeated failure, a felony. That’s a lotta hassle.

Question: would you be that employee? Would you work in a “gun free zone”? Do you work in a “gun free zone”? if so, that leaves the sixty-four thousand dollar question: would you carry despite an employee ban? You know, theoretically. And if so, how and what would you carry?



  1. avatar Swilson says:

    My workplace is nominally a gun-free zone however there is a tacit don’t ask, don’t tell agreement in place.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      I’m self-employed, work at home and have entered into a written agreement with myself that requires me to home carry at all times.

      Yes, I’m a tough boss, but fair.

      1. avatar Mike B in WI says:

        I’m not self-employed, but I, too, work from home and have entered into an agreement with myself that requires home carry at all times. Being a good and loyal employee, I will abide by that agreement.

      2. avatar CueBaller says:

        If you forget to carry one day, do you have to write yourself up?

        1. avatar Arod529 says:

          Forget to carry inasmuch I forget to breath.

          Also, I carry everyday in a place with far more detrimental consequences than getting caught at work.

        2. avatar Ralph says:

          If my boss (me) catches me not carrying, I have to buy him (me) a box of ammo.

      3. avatar Phillip Whitehead says:

        I love your humor, and for the record, I’m just as “hard” a boss … On myself. God Bless America!

    2. avatar "Garrison Hall says:

      ” . . . there is a tacit don’t ask, don’t tell agreement in place. . .”

      My school had just such an arrangement. It was decidedly unofficial and probably wouldn’t have survived a formal protest (which never happened, btw). Having this kind of “slippage” makes a gun-free zone just nominal enough to allow sheepdogs to be present without upsetting anyone. Most anti-gun folks are content with just seeing the no-gun signs.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Really? Do you actually know of anyone who actually looks for those stupid signs? I have always believed they were only there because the owner/manager believed they meant something, and were too stupid to do any research. I have always figured putting up such a sign loses a lot more business than it gains.

    3. avatar Topher in Texas says:

      My place of work is not posted, however there is a handbook policy stating employees can’t carry. What they don’t know don’t hurt me.

    4. avatar Chris in SC says:

      My workplace has no posted, legal signs, but the employee handbook states that employees may not bring firearms onto the property. There are rules about vehicle searches, but from what I’ve heard there have been zero of those in the 30 years the company has been in this location. Of course, I’m not aware of anyone bringing firearms to work. Everyone seems to have lost their respective collections while boating recently.

  2. avatar Jon in CO says:

    Job is “no employee carry ever, all carry all the time for everyone else”. I may or may not follow suite. Who knows.

  3. avatar Rokurota says:

    Our employee handbook specifically says “no weapons on premises.” So why am I carrying?

    1. avatar dlj95118 says:

      …ditto our handbook also.

    2. avatar Renner says:

      Our handbook is completely outdated and as far as I know probably still has the “no guns” policy because they are too lazy to fix it. But the owner carries and encourages employees to carry in the office. The only restriction in the office is that we keep them concealed so as not to scare the muggles. I think there’s only two employees in the whole building that don’t have their permits yet and one is still fairly new so we have cut him some slack for now. We have a private range employees can use just about any time for free to hoan our skills. It would be a very bad day for anyone who tried to rob us, or God forbid an active shooter situation. There would be an office full of active shooters, if you know what I mean.

      1. avatar Kendahl says:

        Your colleagues would be “reactive” shooters.

    3. avatar LarryinTX says:

      If you are carrying, it is obvious that the handbook is wrong, no?

    4. avatar Mosinfan says:

      It’s not a weapon, it’s a tool.

    5. avatar Harold says:

      Then everyone must leave their fists, teeth and feet at the door don’t you think?

      I carry everywhere there isn’t a metal detector except for the shower and the swimming pool.

      My local Charter store has a No Firearms sign on their door. I ignored it.

  4. avatar No one of consequence says:

    Yep, I work in a GF(except the security force)Z and nope, I don’t carry. Nor do I have a stashed piece in my desk.

    As I work at a Federal facility, I am subject to random searches (vehicle and person) when I enter any part of the facility, as is my workspace; and the consequences of breaking the rules are high. Completely apart from the legal ramifications, there’s a real chance I could get shot – the local security force is set up for serious fast response.

    1. avatar John says:

      Unfortunately this!!! Same here It sucks being in the military, and we are NOT allowed to carry. Guess I should have went Security Forces like my Son…. Nah I like my desk job…. and would I carry against the rules… HELL NO not on base.

      1. avatar Harold says:

        There is something seriously wrong with not allowing members of our armed services to be forced to go unarmed. Do we not trust them? What kind of Commander in Chief allows this? Oh, right, Obama.

  5. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

    Gun Free yes. I don’t carry but I know some that may, and several of us have ccw with weapons locked in cars which is allowed if not using the car for county business.

  6. avatar Ralph says:

    I once worked at Target. It’s not posted, but there is a condition of employment in the employee manual that prohibits guns. I ignored it. I liked the job but it wasn’t worth my life.

    Target is weird. Guns aren’t allowed in the store but it’s okay to have d!cks in the girls’ room.

    1. avatar uncommon_sense says:

      “Target is weird. Guns aren’t allowed in the store but it’s okay to have d!cks in the girls’ room.”

      That isn’t weird at all to Progressives. Remember, they operate on altruism, fantasy, and emotion. Prohibiting firearms somehow meets some Target Exectutive’s altruistic fantasy and feels really good. Likewise, allowing men to share the women’s dressing area and bathrooms with little girls satisfies some Target Executive’s altruistic fantasy that feels good.

      1. avatar Hugo says:

        Target is kissing up to liberal groups because they think it’s good for business. The governor of NC refused to do the same and the NBA and a bunch of other businesses are punishing them for it. Thank goodness there are still decent people around who do the right thing even iif it’s not popular. I stopped shopping at Target. Gun free zones are a ridiculous joke.

        1. avatar RMS1911 says:

          hopefully Pat Mccrory will say screw it and get Constitutional carry.
          he didn’t buckle under the pervs in the ladies room law.

    2. avatar James says:

      Love this!

    3. avatar Harold says:

      Target contributes a lot of money to gun control supporters. I haven’t shopped at Target since I found this out, and never will.

  7. avatar MKK says:

    I work for a University in California, so yes it’s a designated GFZ. It sucks because I fought tooth and nail for my permit and until recently I would have been able to legally carry to work. Not anymore. Thanks CA, can’t wait to leave this rotten state.

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      Apply for one of the many vacancies caused by hoplophobes fleeing University of Texas-Austin. Austin’s a bit of a commietown, but compared to Berkley it’s conservative.

      1. avatar MKK says:

        The wife and I are looking at Utah, but Austin is on our radar as well. We are fed up with CA for a number of reasons. I’m slightly right of center but don’t generally oppose liberal policy (maybe I’m a brainwashed Californian) but CA just takes it to a whole new level of stupidity. They are so extreme with their leftist policies that it is detrimental to nearly every aspect of living here.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          “don’t generally oppose liberal policy”

          Please do enough research to change that, or stay the fck away from Austin. We don’t need any more wishy-washy ex Californians screwing up our government.

        2. avatar Geoff PR says:

          If you’re bringing your socially liberal voting habits with you to Texas, MKK, don’t be surprised to find it a non-welcoming environment.

          Because that is *exactly* how California got so screwed-up in the first place. Those wonderful, warm-and-fuzzy leftist policies cost real money to implement.

        3. avatar oldshooter says:

          Maybe you’re just a Libertarian, as were our founding fathers (although they didn’t have the term back then). I always thought I was a conservative, but all my friends considered me a liberal, probably because I agreed with some socially “liberal” ideas (such as legalizing drugs, not having laws based on any single religion’s beliefs – like the old “Blue Laws,” etc.), besides, even when I was a Navy Officer, I had a beard. On the other hand, I was a staunch conservative in terms of fiscal matters, law and order, and gun rights. So whenever I was asked if I was liberal or conservative, I’d have to answer, “I don’t know, it depends.” It wasn’t until a few years ago that I discovered that there were other folks like me, and they called themselves “Libertarians.” BTW, Gary Johnson and his idiot running mate aren’t really Libertarians, they are just somewhat less than usually dogmatic Democrats.

  8. avatar AlanInFl says:

    My place is firearms free because it is zone under the Federal Government control.

    1. avatar FedUp says:

      I could never figure out why the United States Constitution is void in all buildings owned by the United States Government.

      1. avatar Ralph says:

        Well, that’s about all that the Feds can get away with today. But don’t worry. Sooner or later, they’ll void the entire Constitution everywhere.

  9. avatar SouthernPhantom says:

    I’m not working at the moment due to being a full-time student, but my place of work this and last summer did not prohibit carry for employees or customers. I only recently acquired a sidearm, but carried a spring-assisted knife one hundred percent of the time. I was a delivery driver using a personally-owned vehicle, so there was also a pump shotgun behind the seat of my truck with a handful of shells in the center console at all times, because stupid happens.

  10. avatar AL L says:

    While I might HAVE TO take a job at a “Guns Free Zone” employer, you can bet everything that I would be looking for a job elsewhere from day one. No sense in going to work in a “targeted area” every day. Life has enough hazards that cannot be avoided.

  11. avatar Clayton says:

    I work in DC (for now), the largest gun-free zone in the country, I believe. Trying to get out to VA, but the jobs are unfortunately here.

  12. avatar LarryinTX says:

    Legally, in TX, that “no 1911s” sign is meaningless, but I always respect what I consider its meaning, “If you are carrying a gun, we would prefer you did not leave a tip!”.

    1. avatar Alex says:

      That doesn’t seem very nice… It likely isn’t the servers’ fault the store has a no firearms policy.

      Assuming we are talking about dining establishments anyway.

      1. avatar FedUp says:

        Just make sure the servers only have to tip out to other front line staff, and none of your tip goes to manager/owner.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          No tips equates to heavy server turnover, equates to poor service, equates to out of business at major loss to owner, sorry.

          I overtip, to the extent of around 35% normally, and have for the past several years. We even tip the maids at motels we use. But leave stupid anti-gun signs all over the place, there will be no tip.

        2. avatar Alex says:

          It is weird to me that you would rather pay the business for their service and not tip rather than just skip the whole thing altogether. Servers don’t control policy and owners an managers do.

          I think it is great that you overtip but your little domino chain is significantly less likely to be noticed by a manager/owner than just not patronizing the business in the first place. At all the restaurants I have worked at, that kind of thing would be lost in the noise.

          Frankly, so is one person opting to do business elsewhere, but at least you aren’t being a dick to the servers for something completely outside their control.

    2. avatar Pete says:

      Well, you are kind of a dirtbag. Girl makes $2.50 an hour and Captain Cheapskate here is gonna stiff her to make some kind of point to her boss. Way to go.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Exactly, see above. You don’t like it, tip double where “no guns” signs are hung. Girl can move to where there is no such sign. Eventually, her boss will figure it out.

        1. avatar Rebel1916 says:

          yep, you are a loser.

      2. avatar Katy says:

        Just to clarify, she may only be making $2.50 plus tips, but if those don’t total min wage, her boss has to make up the rest.

  13. avatar Jeremy in AL says:

    NASA has a no Tokarevs policy, so no bueno.

    The steaks are too juicy.

  14. avatar Tom in Oregon says:

    Kind of odd here. It used to be specifically stated in the employee manual prohibiting firearms. Then they redid the manual this summer and left that part out.
    I’m thinking that gave me permission to have my G27 with me.

    1. avatar Ralph says:

      What isn’t prohibited is permitted? Maybe, but I’d still keep it to myself, especially in an “at will” employment situation where a good employee can be fired because the boss doesn’t like the way he licks stamps.

  15. avatar PeterK says:

    I honestly don’t know. I would and do. I think I would, but I’m not able to yet, so it’s moot currently.

    I’d definitely need to deep conceal. Definitely no off body. So probably a .380 mouse gun or j-frame.

  16. avatar scooter says:

    I’m a teacher, so unless my school board makes some MAJOR change, I’m unarmed. My state does allow them to make that choice. Hope springs eternal.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      You are often searched? Metal detector? Teachers generally (I believe) can carry all they like, although they may be fired if they are required to defend themselves or their students. Of course, in that event, otherwise they would be *DEAD*. Evaluate what the risks are, generally you could carry for 40 years and no one would notice, unless you need to shoot a killer. At Sandy Hook, if one teacher had dropped that crazy killer with an illegally carried gun, do you believe that teacher would have been prosecuted? Fired? Deified?

      1. avatar Dennisd says:

        LarryinTX, I’ve been reading your responses. Matter of fact, cut to the chase responses. Folks should appreciate that these days. RE: the school teacher situation and the Sandy Hook example I totally agree. I don’t understand the ringed nose mentality myself of those who suggest it’s wrong to go against the rules to protect our children. I carry. I have and I will. If a sign is on the door then so be it. If there’s no metal detector and no guard at the desk with a little tray for me to empty my pockets into I’m probably going in to do what I went there to do. If the guard’s there along with the metal detector then I’ll go elsewhere. RE: carrying a gun at school? When I grew up we had a marksmanship club/team. We brought our guns to school daily. Today folks would be crucified by the libs for that! But I know when it gets down to making a decision as to whether or not I’m going to pack. I might never need the weapon to protect the innocent but I pack to protect, just in case. Screw the rules/laws/orders

      2. avatar Dennis says:

        LarryinTX, I’ve been reading your responses. Matter of fact, cut to the chase responses. Folks should appreciate that these days. RE: the school teacher situation and the Sandy Hook example I totally agree. I don’t understand the ringed nose mentality myself of those who suggest it’s wrong to go against the rules to protect our children. I carry. I have and I will. If a sign is on the door then so be it. If there’s no metal detector and no guard at the desk with a little tray for me to empty my pockets into I’m probably going in to do what I went there to do. If the guard’s there along with the metal detector then I’ll go elsewhere. RE: carrying a gun at school? When I grew up we had a marksmanship club/team. We brought our guns to school daily. Today folks would be crucified by the libs for that! But I know when it gets down to making a decision as to whether or not I’m going to pack, I might never need the weapon to protect the innocent but I pack to protect, just in case. Screw the rules/laws/orders

      3. avatar Miguel says:

        Metal detector? Yes, at least at my school. But I bypass that anyway being a teacher.

        Searched? Not likely, though there’s always a chance.

        Now, if I have to restrain a kid for his, or more importantly my, safety and in the tussle concealed stops being concealed? There goes my job and everything that pays for.

        It’s funny that this article came out on the same day that there were shots fired in the neighborhood across the street from campus. If that person wanted to do us harm, there’d be bugger all we could do about it. It sucks but that’s the way it is until the district gets its head out of its butt.

  17. avatar Aaron M. Walker says:

    You mean a workplace where Liberal Progressive utopian SAFETY policies are in place….Where a pocket knife, or Pepper spray are considered “Assault Weapons” by management…Yup, I know a few people who better be able to keep up with me…When I exit stage left right out of the building if a “stranger danger” incident occurs. Because their on their own! Create dangerous policies, and I dial 911 from Dunk ‘ n Dounuts !

  18. avatar Gman says:

    Our office is a gun free zone. However, we also do not have an active shooter policy or plan. So, I can neither confirm nor deny the existence of …

  19. avatar Bob V. says:

    I work in management at hardware chain, definitely no employee carry. I have carried a p32 in a crossbreed belly band at waist level.

    I have carried this way for about 6 years at work, couldn’t forgive myself if I had the means to defend myself or others locked in my car. Been thankful to have it handy several times but never had to deploy.

  20. avatar Joe R. says:

    That’s a ‘no STI competition 1911’s’ so (like NASCAR) it’s racist.

    YES, no guns at my workplace. I’ve complained, I’ve let it be known that should fan chew on turd, they are both on their own, and also going to here it from me sharply if they live to hear it.

    Kel-Tec Sub 2000’s are great for non-permissive cc environments bc they don’t look like a weapon folded. The PP 90 is even better.

  21. avatar Geoff PR says:

    “Unless Salata posts a 30.06 (concealed carry) or 30.07 (open carry) sign at all entrances, a gun owner is free to walk in packing heat. That said, an employee is free to ask you to GTFO.”

    I can’t help but wonder if that was deliberate on the restaurant’s part. A wink-and-nod kinda thing, if you know what I mean.

    An interesting headline right now on Drudge:

    +130,000 FLORIDA
    +142,000 NORTH CAROLINA”

    H’mm. Could it be???

    1. avatar LKB says:

      You betcha. It’s a common ploy (especially in tourist-frequented Austin area) to post what nominally appear to be “no guns” notices that are legally meaningless. The no-gunners (and especially foreign tourists) don’t know the difference, so they’re happy. Knowledgable gun people won’t be happy, but they know they can ignore it with impunity, so at least they’re not as unhappy as they’d otherwise be.

      Harder legal question is when the business *does* post a valid 30.06/30.07 notice, but then obscures or otherwise makes it not readily visible. Whole Foods is a good example — their signage appears to comply with the law, but in lots of locations it’s usually hidden behind product displays at the entrance of the the store. I sometimes wonder whether it’s the local store managers practicing a little “Irish Democracy” in the face of a company rule requiring the signage.

      Now what REALLY chaps me is the City of Austin continuing to post 30.06/30.07 notices at City-owned venues (e.g., the convention centers) despite clear law that they can’t do so.

      1. avatar Warren says:

        I’m not surprised at the city-owned properties that cannot legally post 30.06/07 signs (looking at you, Long Center) being posted anyway, especially when the city is constantly pulling nonsense like trying to claim City Hall is actually a courthouse.
        But then again, there’s all kinds of BS Austin tries to pull that makes me shake my head.

      2. avatar Katy says:

        Austin isn’t the only one. You’d think that more cities would have learned their lesson from Pasadena.

  22. avatar Higgs says:

    The Language my company uses in its policy states you may not carry anything that can be used as a weapon. I pointed out that my team uses numerous tools which would trigger this clause in the hand book. As such there is an exception form that you fill out and you can carry “any tool” you need to safely complete your job.

    Oddly enough I have people from other parts of the company volunteer to work on projects for my team so they then qualify for this exception.

    I am sure is pure coincidence that almost every one who has this exception also happen to have CCW permits.

  23. avatar uncommon_sense says:

    In my world there cannot exist any circumstance where it is okay to mandate that people be vulnerable to rapists and murderers. Period. Full stop.

    Also in my world, there cannot exist any circumstance where a person must be unable to stop a rapist or murderer. Period. Full stop.

    I trust that you all can read between the lines there.

  24. avatar Chris. says:

    I work on n a Courthouse. So the answer is complex: A) a citizen CAN carry in the building provided they 1) have a valid MN permit to carry. & 2) notify the Sheriff in writing. & 3). Their business is not with the state courts housed in our County facility.

    An employee cannot carry by statute. “No state or local staff shall carry in the performance of their duties, except cops & security guards.

    That to then is in our employee policies.

    So legally I would have to notify the sheriff, would would then notify HR. So no, I don’t carry at work.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      If you have a valid permit, why is the sheriff not already notified, without further action on your part? That sounds stupid.

  25. avatar Jay says:

    In a software engineering office with five employees, two of us carry daily and four of us are firearms owners.

  26. avatar hellofromillinois says:

    Ironically, I literally have hundreds of guns in the same room as me everyday at work but am not allowed to carry. Most of our customers I assume are armed as well. However, locked in the parking lot is the rule for employees. I only currently own long guns anyways and don’t have a CC permit as of now, but that rule has always bugged me. Even having live ammunition on your person would be grounds for discipline or likely firing.

  27. avatar former water walker says:

    Self employed for 20some years. The venues I buy and sell can post whatever they like. Unless someone searches or has a metal detector I ignore it.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      That is exactly where I am. In DC with friends a few years back, we ran into a long line to enter a building, were told it was due to the metal detector. Told my bud to give me the car keys, when he asked why I told him I needed to deposit my gun in the car. I didn’t make it back in time for the building, don’t intend to try again. If you believe in the constitution you are not welcome in Washington, DC. Just a couple weeks back, at F1 at the Circuit of the Americas, guys with wands missed me completely on Sat, but impressed me enough that I did not carry on Sun. I have been at every COTA race, this was the first time I was not armed. You *WILL* pay for full-time screening, or I *WILL* carry.

  28. avatar peirsonb says:

    Yes, yes, yes, and the same thing I carry every day pinky.

  29. avatar Hannibal says:

    Only if I’m in federal court.

  30. avatar Dr_elusive says:

    Up until about 6 months ago we had no signs, and i therefore carried. It was always against corporate employee policy, but not enforced locally. Sadly one of our facility’s had an incident last year involving a shooter. So for all of our safety GFZ signs were installed. I, and others complained loudly to no avail. Now that it is both against policy and the law (signs are official signs for the state) I no longer carry at work.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      How do you think your carry might be detected? Remember, not carrying might see you *killed*, what could covert carry cost you? Buy a smaller gun.

  31. avatar Vanbulance says:

    Our handbook addresses the Second Amendment and employees right to exercise it. It is limited, however, though I forgive our CEO.

    You can carry into company buildings, activities, events, trainings, etc.
    You cannot carry in a company vehicle or any facility of one of our partners (hospitals, nursing homes, all in Ohio where signs are somewhat toothy). I should note that a company vehicle (ambulance or staff car) almost exclusively leads to entering a partner facility.

    The reason?
    Placing it in a lockbox at our run volume is too much ADMINISTRATIVE gun handling. Now that’s sound logic.

    This is far better than most and more professional than the previous small ambulance company I worked for.

  32. avatar Jack says:

    I worked in gun free zones. I ALWAYS carried. My right to defend myself does not end on your private property. Now retired. I have never carried where it is federally prohibited.

    And if the next administration wants my guns they will have to physical kick the door and take them. But that won’t go well.

    The number of firearms is between 400 and 600 million. Not even Hillary can get it done. If the anti’s want them they have to physical take them. And I’m not registering ANYTHING!

    Molon labe

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      “I have never carried where it is federally prohibited.”

      Like within 1000 feet of a school? I doubt that.

    2. avatar Arc says:

      If its private property then yes indeedy your rights end on that there property line because another persons rights begin. YOU have every right to not enter someone else’ domain if you don’t like their rules. You are not free to violate them nor their rights willy nilly whenever you think it suits you.

    3. avatar The Gray Poseur says:

      Jack obviously does not own property.

  33. avatar Avid Reader says:

    You mean the contagion is spreading from Austin? Here I was hoping it was confined to Travis county.

    1. avatar Anon says:

      Fortunately, that gun buster sign doesn’t hold water. The Time Warner building across the street from that Salata has a giant 30.06 and 30.07 sign right in the front, so yes, it’s spreading.

      1. avatar Warren says:

        There’s a Time Warner office in San Marcos that has 30.06 and 30.07 signs. I had no idea until I was exiting the building, due to the entrances and the way the signs are placed. Whoops.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Oh, darn! That happens to me often. Did it have the same result for you that it *always* has for me, absolutely nothing? The same result that a determined jihadist killer would get carrying a machine gun in? Criminal killers will ignore this crap, WE need to ignore this crap. Concealed means concealed, if you have zero defenses other than a sign, I will *ignore* your sign.

  34. avatar Warren says:

    The agency I contract for permits employees and contractors to carry in the workplace, open or concealed, and I do carry concealed. That said, most of the folks in my corner of the workplace are vocal hoplophobes, so I practice “concealed means concealed.” Only a few like-minded folks know or even suspect I’m armed, and none of us talk about it.

  35. Ha! Self employed as well, we encourage our employees to carry. We’re opening up a shop soon and we will definitely encourage carrying open or concealed- along with training.

  36. avatar BierceAmbrose says:

    Q – “If you call some place a ‘gun free zone’, how many guns are present?”

    A – “Same as before. Saying it doesn’t make it so.”

    Lincoln is credited with the original: “If you call a tail a leg, how many legs does a dog have? 4 – calling it a leg doesn’t make it one.”

  37. avatar Soccerchainsaw says:

    This company has rented floors in a building with a “no weapons” unofficial looking sign. Further, the employee handbook prohibits guns on company property or while on client facilities. But with permission of the CEO there are exceptions. This probably refers to the previously spelled out (in an earlier edition of the HB) scenario of employees working in wilderness areas where there is the possiblity of bear attack. Of course getting killed by bear is much worse than the more likely chance of death by mugger, rapist or mobs of roving ‘protesters’ as we recently saw in Charlotte.

    When one wishes to keep one’s job without following such stupid rules that render us defenseless, the popularity of very concealable pocket/mouse guns is understandable. Not only should people not know you’re carrying, we want them to not even suspect…

  38. avatar Sweepy says:

    Hey, I live in Round Rock. Cool to know you were around.

  39. avatar Dennis says:

    When I was working it was for the guv’ment… state guv’ment in a natural resources protection industry. Yes, I carried daily. No, we weren’t supposed to. I was told I had to lock mine in my assigned vehicle if I was going to enter the building. I never did. I carried it daily and so did my partner who worked with me. We were investigators and we had all kinds of “situations” over the years, in and out of the department. Bottom line, because of my background I’d be called to the reception desk to keep the peace with a rowdy customer until the “State Troopers” showed up, which quite often they never did. The building did not have limited entry, it was open to the public for walk in’s until the last two years before I retired. I also carried my cuffs with me as well. Never really needed the weapon but did use the cuffs once prior to the trooper’s arrival. In the field it was a whole different situation. We carried everywhere. We were criminal investigators and were expected to effect arrests when necessary. It was one of the most ludicrous office work environments I ever worked in. Prior to moving to that “centralized” office we worked out of a remote office and we had security. We carried on the job every day we worked regardless of where we went unless we had to go to headquarters… where we were eventually reassigned to work out of. Needless to say there was a LOT of field time when we worked out of that hole!

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Sounds like my bride when she worked for TX department of health, lobby area had what looked like security except unarmed and with no known authority except to give directions and hold the door for you. She carried every day for about 10 years, including once or twice for a few months after her license expired, until we got around to taking the stupid class again. Note, she began CC in Richmond, VA, in 1965 as an 18-year-old college student, with a Beretta Jetfire .25 auto I bought for her. 2A was already in effect back then, can you believe it?! Never needed it, *yet*. Neither have I, doesn’t mean it was a bad idea, we also have not gone mad and murdered dozens of innocents, not even once!

  40. avatar Anon says:

    The building I work at has the original no-CHL sign. I walk right past it everyday. The funny thing is our maintenance guy is ex-Army and when he found out I carried, he said I can’t carry. I told him the sign was the old language and not vaild. He promptly changed it to a bigger version of the old sign. I still carry right past it.

    My employee handbook, I’m a contractor to the building I work in, allegedly says I can’t carry, even with a license. But I haven’t read it myself so….

  41. avatar Blake says:

    Yes and no. I work in a hospital. While the law has changed that they cannot legally prohibit carry, it’s a bit different for employees as it’s still not allowed in the employment contract. Needless to say it’s not changing anytime soon either. Hence the reason I bought an LCP that can be popped in a scrub pocket the second I leave the premises.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Just a suggestion, you might want to add up all the times those scrub pockets have been checked for firearms during your working experience.

  42. avatar strych9 says:

    I’m in grad school and no longer working (Sadly with an internship and student assistantship I make almost what I did before I stopped working, thanks Obama!). Colorado has campus carry but my school has an official policy against “weapons” on campus.

    Theoretically an “honor council” can kick you out for carrying but the school’s real policy is “don’t ask, don’t tell” and I’ve overheard professors saying that they carry and are glad students can carry because it might save lives if someone decides to go all Virginia Tech.

    So yeah, I ignore the official policy and other than my wife and parents the only people who know I carry on campus are dedicated TTAG readers.

  43. avatar Horrendo Revolver says:

    I work the Gun Counter at the Fort Wort Cabela’s. It is ironic customers are allowed to carry but employees are not.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Correct me if I’m wrong, here, but as someone working the gun counter, can’t you select a handgun or rifle of a certain caliber, then stand ready to demonstrate that your store also carries the ammo by keeping a box close at hand? As in, armed to the teeth with the company’s guns?

  44. avatar Jeffro says:

    It is against company policy. There are signs posted. This is Ohio. I will neither confirm nor deny that some employees are armed. I will neither confirm nor deny that I might be some.

  45. avatar Michael says:

    I must be one of the lucky few… no prohibition of carrying to work. Last job I had was a “YOU’RE FIRED” type mentality. Even after multiple, daytime assaults right outside the downtown building, the powers that be [dumb] said “there is security, they can walk you to your car if you feel unsafe”. Mind you, there were 2 TWO “guards” with flashlights for a 15 floor building with 700 – 1000 people leaving at the same time. I love where I’m at now.

  46. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

    Is my workplace a gun free zone?

    Hmm… Not when I’m there.

  47. avatar MouseGun says:

    The place I currently work is weird. I asked my supervisor, he said consult the employee hand book. The hand book says consult your supervisor. It’s one of those “ask your mother”- “ask your father” scenarios.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Why the flaming Hell did you ask your supervisor? If they don’t hit you in the face with it, assume the answer you like.

  48. avatar Adub says:

    My office is small and there is nothing in the employee handbook. I pocket carry because I chose to live and work in a nice area. I don’t need my G20 unless I venture into Minneapolis. Because, you know, bears…

  49. avatar Matt in TX says:

    I work in a hospital in Texas. Gun free by law. I don’t know how I would carry concealed in my scrubs anyway.

    1. avatar TyrannyOfEvilMen says:

      Galco ankle glove. /;-)

    2. avatar Anon says:

      Pretty sure they removed the hospital/church GFZ a few sessions back. Now they have to post 30.06 just like other businesses.

      Unfortunately, all the ones in Austin have done so.

      1. avatar LarryinTX says:

        Really? Funny, I have never noticed a 30.06 sign in the near 20 years I’ve been licensed in TX. Hospitals or anywhere else.

        1. avatar oldshooter says:

          REALLY! I live in San Antonio and I see 30.06 and 30.07 signage on all ERs, hospitals, etc., that I visit or work with, with the exception of 1 physical rehabilitation facility I occasionally worked with in the past. I haven’t been there in several years though, and suspect they may have posted signage by now. You must live in an interesting part of the state!

    3. avatar Docduracoat says:

      I also work wearing scrubs
      The only way to carry is off body
      I carry an IPAD in a soft case with me everywhere
      A Bersa Thunder cc with laser grip fits in the zippered side pocket and does not print
      When examining a patient or sound a case it is within arms reach at all times
      No one else would try to pick up my IPad
      I know all the arguments against off body carry, but it is better than no gun at all

      1. avatar Robert Farago says:

        Ankle holster.

        1. avatar LarryinTX says:

          Careful, RF, I have certain infirmities which make it quite involved to reach my ankle. One size don’t fit all.

  50. avatar Hilts says:

    GFZ by policy. Security behind feel-good glass panels in lobby. Lobby is typically quite full of sheep going through turnstiles and flashing badges that security largely ignores (I flashed a baseball card to get through). A bad guy could take out 20 people pretty quickly in just the lobby before security could get a call out. Security appears to be unarmed, but I don’t know what they keep in their “don’t scare the sheep” secret room with the tinted glass. Perhaps their own weapons that the sheep aren’t allowed to sport. I work from home, but when I go to the mother ship, I am not subject to search. I carry in an ankle holster because my middle-aged insulation increase gives a good gun impression if I carry OWB, even with a sport coat.

  51. avatar hurricane567 says:

    My workplace is not a gun free zone. Customers occasionally OC. Employee handbook says I can’t carry. If i had a smaller pistol i might try going outlaw. However, we do sell guns where i work. If SHTF, i’ll be in Sporting Goods!

  52. avatar Some Joe Shmoe says:

    My workplace is a posted “gun free zone”.
    Not even Law Enforcement can bring a firearm, ammo, or even a folding knife into my workplace.

    Then again, I work in a prison, so….

  53. avatar Salty Bear says:

    My job is one where I raised my right hand and swore to support and defend the Constitution, so naturally I am not permitted to exercise my second amendment rights at work. Also, forget “gun-free zones,” the .mil keeps sending me to gun-free STATES. Joke’s on me, I guess.

  54. avatar Isaac Miller says:

    In my employee handbook has just a single mention of “No Illegal Weapons.” I have a carry permit, we’re good to go.

    1. avatar LarryinTX says:

      Long as you’re not carrying an unregistered machine gun, right?

  55. avatar BDub says:

    “Unless Salata posts a 30.06 (concealed carry) or 30.07 (open carry) sign at all entrances, a gun owner is free to walk in packing heat.”

    I have a theory that at least some establishments do this knowingly as a tactic to placate the hoplophobic, while not actually restricting gun-owners – super sneaky! But probably most are just idiots, but I’m not going to go around pointing it out.

    1. avatar oldshooter says:

      When I discovered that my local branch library had a “Gunbusters” decal on the front door as well as a sign saying “No Firearms Allowed,” I took the issue up with the Librarian. I pointed out that the state preemption laws do not permit the public library to ban guns, and that the signage was not in conformance with the “30.06” sign requirements in any case. She referred me to the city’s Head Librarian, who in turn, took it up with the City Attorney. After about 3 weeks the librarian called me to give me feedback on my inquiry and said that the City Attorney confirmed that the signs were meaningless, but said they should leave them up anyway on the basis of the following rationale: Those who had concealed carry licenses would know the signage didn’t affect THEM, but (for some unexplained, unfathomable reason) bad actors would be deterred by the signs, thereby making the libraries safer! I pointed out that the exact opposite was actually true; that the signs would create the impression among bad actors that the library was a gun free zone where they could expect to be unopposed in any intended depredation. Predictably, I got no follow-up response to that.

  56. avatar drtm17 says:

    Ugh, I always see the “no beretta 92/96” signs. It pisses me off that most places know what gun I carry. They make me go aaaall the way back to my car, throw it in my trunk, and carry my Makarov PM instead. Stupid liberals. I thought they weren’t supposed to discriminate!

  57. avatar Spencer Ivey says:

    My ex employer decided to punish me for a work related accident (not gun related) by asking me to stop carrying at work. After I’d been carrying there for a year, I told him that if he decided to implement that punishment I would leave. He tried to bargain with me by saying I could leave my firearm in my car. I informed him that under Ga law he couldn’t prevent me from keeping it in my car. He decided to implement the policy. So I left. Better for it.

  58. avatar oldshooter says:

    I am now in private practice so the issue is moot. However, I used to work for a non-profit that had both a “No guns on the property” policy for employees, and an extraordinarily hoplophobic CEO t boot. I used to take off my .45 and leave in locked in my car (still against policy, but unlikely to be found out). However, one day we had a potential workplace violence incident that ended up in my lap. It involved a psychotic former client who was off his medication and in the middle of a manic episode, who stole a .57 pistol and came to our facility with the intention of coercing the release of his court sealed file, after which he planned to kill his mother and himself. This is by definition, quite literally, “a homicidal, suicidal maniac with a gun.” When I realized what I was dealing with, I immediately went to my car and retrieved my .45. As it turned out, we were able to talk him out of doing any shooting (including shooting himself, when he put the gun to his head), and got him into the hospital psych ward without anyone getting hurt. No one else ever knew I was carrying most of the time I was “talking him down.” But from that day on, I ignored the company policy completely and have carried all the time ever since.

  59. avatar John in TX (was CT) says:

    This is something that I have wondered about since moving to TX. I find myself somewhat more positive to the businesses that put up non-30.06/30.07 signs, because I feel like they know that they’re not legally binding, but want to avoid being hassled by MDA/MAIG/etc.

    On the other hand, a local Ramen place has a 30.06 sign the size of a postage stamp, and that suggests a mistake from a business that legitimately hates people’s constitutional rights and thinks they can screw someone over.

    Weird, I know, but that’s how I have found myself feeling.

  60. avatar AZ2A Transplant says:

    Am retired and my part-time, freelance workplace is my kitchen island counter where I also clean my AR-15 and my .380 Sig Sauer.

  61. avatar David says:

    Where I work (NoVA), there is a strange lack of any mention of concealed or open carry in the employee handbook. That said, no one I work with has polyfill between the ears and tries to open carry at work. I believe that a few members of senior management conceal carry and a former coworker who had a stalkerish ex-date was told to get a handgun. We also had a security guard outside our office for a few weeks afterwords. Don’t ask, don’t tell and don’t print.

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