By Aaron
Above you’ll see a portion of my pocket gun collection. I thought it would be interesting for others (and entertaining for me) to write up a quick comparison. Before we start, a few caveats and disclosures: first, keep in mind that when I discuss accuracy, I fire my pocket guns at targets at a distance of five yards. Massad Ayoob would disagree with that. He’s made clear in his gun reviews that he tests handguns at 25 yards, but he’s a cop and that makes his requirements different from a citizen’s. John Q. Public would have a very hard time justifying a self defense claim shooting a handgun at someone who’s 75 feet away . . .
Second, this is a pocket gun roundup, not a debate on the best caliber for handguns. I’m not interested in comments about how the puny pistols in this post don’t live up to someone else’s opinions on the best self defense caliber. The best caliber depends on what your requirements are.
Lots of folks like to point out the 1986 Miami FBI shootout as evidence that one should carry the most powerful handgun available. And I sort of agree with them, if their recommendation is for cops who must interdict and apprehend criminals, instead of just protecting themselves and getting their family to safety. In the Miami case the FBI rammed the suspects’ car to apprehend them and ended up in a gunfight that didn’t go well. Again, a private citizen would have a hard time making a self defense case getting into a gunfight in similar circumstances.
The best guns for police (or military) requirements are irrelevant for citizen defense. No handgun is suitable for military service except as a back-up weapon, because no handgun has the power and range of rifles and machine guns. An M4 with an M320 attached isn’t suitable for civilian concealed carry even though it is vastly superior to ANY handgun caliber.
Police requirements would (or should) be less than those of the military, but more than civilian self defense requirements. Police work involves forcible apprehensions and the possibility of shooting through cover such as windshields. So while the .380 round may be inadequate for police service, I believe it is sufficient for self defense at realistic self defense distances of five yards and closer. In fact, even a .32 might be a good choice for some because the best gun for citizen self defense is the one you’ll have with you.
Finally, your mileage may vary. I am providing data from my experience, which may not match yours, so use your own critical thinking skills as you read my post.
I started the process of acquiring pocket guns when I decided to get a concealed carry permit and wanted something more concealable for warm weather than my two smallest “real” guns at the time, a Bersa Thunder and a Ruger SP101 with a 3″ barrel. I also have the .25 pictured in the photos, but IMO it is a novelty – easy to shoot, but not reliable and too low powered for even a pocket gun, so it is not even considered as a contender.
The Bersa is an excellent gun with very nice sights (not all Bersas have nice sights, apparently) but it’s too big to conceal in a pocket. The SP101 has given me trouble since the day I bought it; sometimes it works great and other times the cylinder won’t turn properly making it extremely difficult to shoot. I took it to a gunsmith a while back but he couldn’t replicate and did not solve the problem, although he certainly did a great job of smoothing the trigger out.
So I started the search for a concealed carry pocket pistol with a Kel-Tec P3AT for two reasons: first, the trigger pull was much better than the Ruger LCP I was comparing it to at the gun store. And Kel-Tec products are inexpensive and some folks had good things to say about them. The Kel-Tec is a lightweight, polymer frame double-action-only pistol.
My experience was mixed – it’s small, thin, and light and it’s plenty accurate for its purpose. However, the trigger pull is only OK – it’s long and uneven. Worse, it just wouldn’t run reliably. It didn’t like hollow points of any brand and sometimes puked on ball ammo.
I sent it back to the factory and they worked on it for free, but even after that it still would occasionally stovepipe. Maybe it’s me “limp wristing” the gun, as some folks say the Kel-Tec is sensitive to how firmly it’s held, but I don’t think so. I’m a fairly decent shot and don’t have this problem with other guns.
Next I picked up a new model Colt Mustang Pocketlite. I was actually looking for a SIG P238 but retailers only had P938s at that time, although now I see P238s every time I go to the gun stores. Anyway, the Colt Mustang Pocketlite is awesome so I am very happy with my fortuitous inability to find a P238 at that time. Shooting the Mustang Pocketlite is just like shooting a little tiny 1911 with the recoil scaled down commensurately. It’s really easy to rapidly empty a magazine into the head of a silhouette at five yards, although obviously that’s just for fun and not good practice. It’s never jammed – in fact, it operated flawlessly with some old, oxidized Sellier and Bellot that made my Kahr P380 puke on its shoes. The Pocketlite is the best shooting pocket gun I have ever fired.
However, the Pocketlite is thicker than the Kel-Tec, and in my quest for pocket gun perfection, I wanted everything: great shooting, light weight and super thinness. Plus, my wife was going to get her own concealed carry permit and she wanted a gun that was tiny, had no recoil, aimed itself and had massive knock down power. Since I couldn’t find any Star Trek phasers for sale, I picked up a couple of tiny .32s just to try, a Seecamp LWS and a Beretta Tomcat.
The Tomcat is relatively easy to shoot, reasonably accurate, and has the great advantage of a tip-up barrel for people who have trouble racking the slide. My wife was able to shoot the gun just fine and put all of her shots into a silhouette at five yards (she doesn’t really like to shoot for fun).
One odd thing happened the second time I shot the Tomcat – it jammed, and of course since it doesn’t have an extractor, you tip the barrel up to clear a jam. I cleared the jam and the barrel would not go back into battery. There was something jamming the little spring that barrel closes onto. When I got it home and cleaned it again, the problem seemed to disappear, but I need to shoot it again to see if this is a recurring issue. I’m currently undecided about the Tomcat due to the jam.
The Seecamp is really tiny and very, very concealable. It’s all stainless and heavier than its small size would indicate. It appears well engineered and well machined, like a nice heavy Omega Seamaster watch. To keep the gun small, it uses a fixed barrel and blowback action. Using recommended ammo types (Federal Hydra-Shoks and Hornady XTP in my case), it has been 100% reliable so far, but readers have to understand that it only has about 50 rounds through it because shooting it is like sticking your hand in a mousetrap.
For comparison, it’s more comfortable to shoot full-power .357s through my 3″ SP101 than to shoot .32s through my Seecamp. It’s also very hard to shoot with any accuracy because it has no sights, a minuscule sight radius, a long (but smooth and even) trigger pull and a kick totally out of proportion to the size of the bullet it fires. That brings the “sight picture” off the target for follow-up rounds. On top of that, the trigger kicks the trigger finger when firing. The shooter sights the gun down the barrel, which isn’t easy to do under low light.
The first time I fired the Seecamp I actually put fewer holes in the silhouette than the number of bullets I had just fired – a major shooting faux pax. After a few practice magazines I can get all the bullets into the silhouette at five yards with no problems, but shooting the gun hasn’t become any more comfortable.
I respect Larry Seecamp for his innovative design and quality manufacturing, but I disagree with him about the sights. I think the Seecamp would be much better with a trench sight cut into the slide, sort of like what Colt does with the new agent. It’s just too hard to quickly line up the barrel because it’s so short. That won’t make the Seecamp into a target gun, but it will let you know if you’re dropping the muzzle down while lining up a shot. Certainly one could learn to group the Seecamp much better than I have, if one was willing to shoot it enough. I’ll keep it handy, though, because it’s tiny and it works.
Finally, I acquired a Kahr P380.The Kahr is a polymer frame pistol similar in size and weight to the Kel-Tec P3AT, but higher in quality. The double-action trigger pull is excellent, second only to the single-action Colt Mustang Pocketlite. There’s no safety that a shooter must remember to turn off – just point and shoot like a revolver.
My Kahr came with a 7-round extended magazine and a 6-round flush mag. I picked it up at the store and immediately went to their range to shoot it. The 7-round mag didn’t feed correctly; the slide did not strip rounds off of the magazine – a bad omen. I started to wonder if I could still get a refund, but I didn’t want the 7-round mag anyway because it stuck out from the bottom of the gun and would make it harder to conceal.
The 6-round magazine worked fine. I expected a few hiccups because Kahrs have a recommended break in period of at least 200 rounds. I shot the Kahr alongside the Pockelite and was pleasantly surprised by how nice the gun was to shoot – almost as good as the Pocketlite. Therefore, I decided to withhold judgement until cleaning it and feeding it more ammo.
I bought another 6-round mag and went back to the range to again shoot the Kahr side-by-side with the Pocketlite. The Kahr choked on some oxidized Sellier and Bellot, which the Pocketlite ate with no issues. However, during the break-in period it functioned perfectly for the next 90 rounds: a 50-round white box of range ammo, a 20-round box of Hornady Critical Defense, and a 20-round box of Magtech First Defense. It appears very reliable now.
So, how do these guns stack up? Her’es how I rate them:
Shootability
1. Mustang Pocketlite and Kahr – tie
2. Kel-Tec
3. Tomcat
4. Seecamp
Accuracy – reasonable groups at five yards, rapid fire (~2 rounds per second)
1. Mustang Pocketlite
2. Kahr
3. Tomcat
4. Kel-Tec – accurate at slow fire, but the long jerky trigger pull make fast follow-up shots difficult
5. Seecamp – almost impossible for me to shoot accurately at ~2 rounds per second
Concealabilty
1. Seecamp
2. Kahr and Kel-Tec – it’s a tie here
3. Mustang Pocketlite
4. Tomcat – it’s small enough, but too thick. It would make a great purse gun, however.
Reliability
1. Mustang Pocketlite
2. Kahr – after break-in period
3. Seecamp – zero malfunctions but small sample size
4. Tomcat and Kel-Tec – it was a tie
Cost (price paid, from cheapest to most expensive)
1. Kel-Tec P3AT
2. Beretta .32 Tomcat
3. Seecamp LWS .32 (note, the LWS 380 was selling for almost 3 times the price of the LWS .32, so if this was an LWS 380 it would have scored the worst)
4. Kahr P380
5. Colt Mustang Pocketlite
The overall winner for concealed carry: the Kahr. While it wasn’t the best in any one category, it’s very good and has the best combination of attributes. Primarily, it’s almost as good as the Pocketlite and is smaller and thinner.
Overall winner for pure shooting: the Mustang Pocketlite. It’s just plain fun.
[ED: TTAG’s securing some GLOCK 42s for testing and evaluation. We shall send Aron a 42 to go head-to-head with his top two pocket guns ASAP. Watch this space.]
The Glock 42 fits nicely in my pocket 🙂
Yep. I think this (excellent) article shows why there is a market for the G42. It addresses nearly all of the complaints about the various guns reviewed here: unreliability, bad triggers, poor sights, painful recoil. The price is competitive, or will be once the initial price-gouging dies down. The downside is that it is pretty big for a pocket gun while still only packing 6+1 in 380.
Once, while visiting NYC, a friend native to the city told me that if anybody asks you “What time is it?” … just run. Don’t look at your watch, don’t stop,… Run.
Eros? Really? I guess all other names have been used up.
I carried an AMT Backup in .45 ACP for a few years. Never had a problem with functioning or concealing it. The two drawbacks to it were accuracy and actually firing it. Both were a consequence of the very heavy DAO trigger pull. I couldn’t hit anything beyond 10 feet with it and all attempts to become more proficient were stymied by the trigger resetting and slapping the pad on my trigger finger as it did so. After one magazine of 6 rounds, the fleshy pad had a noticeable redness to it. After 2 magazines, it was painful enough that I had to stop shooting for the day. I ended up selling it to a friend of mine and now it’s a safe queen.
Interesting comments from the author about the unpleasant experience he had using the Seecamp. I had the same experience with another .380, the Mauser HSc, a classic design. The pistol is all steel, relatively pocketable, snag-free, and a beast to shoot.
I’m not recoil sensitive in the slightest, but there’s something about the design that sends a sharp recoil impulse directly into the bone at the base of my thumb. Two or three magazines downrange and not only am I done, but I’ll have what feels like a bone bruise for days after. I can shoot .40s, .45s and .357s all the live-long day, but an hour with the Mauser is no fun at all.
I agree with the author on the Colt Mustang; mine’s not a Pocketlight, but the all stainless steel version. Great to shoot — just not a fan of cocked-and-locked in pocket carry.
thanks. cocked and locked doesn’t bother me when the Pocketlite is in a pocket holster, because the trigger is protect. For me, the issue is that the Pocketlite is a little too thick for actual pocket carry in shorts or jeans.
Totally agree. I have had a Colt Mustang +II , in stainless, for some time now. I use an IWB holster in the small of my back, and have had no problems. I also like the two extra rounds.
I’ve shot an HSc in .380 and an M&P Shield in .40, and I’ll take recoil of the far lighter but more powerful Shield any day.
“Shoot, Shovel, Shutup”…
I had a similar journey but I was unable to find a Colt Mustang Pocketlite and ended up with a Sig P238 which I love. Zero feeding problems.
I have the sp101 in 22 for target shooting and it had serious problems with locking up after a shot for the first 500 rounds or so, to the point where I had to fiddle with the hammer to get it to unjam. After that (and with maybe 1000 dry fires), it seems to have loosened up. I think it just has a serious breaking in problem.
Last time I took it to the range I got 300 or so rounds through it without a problem.
update: a deep cleaning in solvent has successfully cured my Ruger SP101.
The problem was I stupidly cleaned it with WD40 about 20 years ago, and “amber” formed in the guts.
As other have said, this is great news for libertarians — the VC will help influence many in the “thinking class,” at least those whose thinking isn’t fundamentally partisan.
As for changing the Washington Post’s reputation… good luck. After following Rand Paul for the past year, I’ve noticed that the Post finds every opportunity to attack him. Even when the Daily Kos and Media Matters are silent, you can bet that the Post will have found some new proof of Paul’s perfidy. If I didn’t know better, I would not have even thought it was a newspaper.
Folks may be interested to know that after I sent that write-up to Dan, I bought a Kel-Tec P32, just because I wanted one. As some other reviewers have noted, it is everything the P3AT should have been. I fired 100 rounds right out of the box with no jams. Also, I have sent the P3AT and the Tomcat back to the manufacturers to see if they can get them to be reliable.
I thought Eugene Volokh was especially good in the recent Intelligence Squared debate on the second amendment.
It’s just not as practical a single barreled rifle with a larger caliber shell large clip or reverse double clip for round capacity and fully cape is ideal and for some one to shoot the double ar build accurate enough at a distance greater then 30 feet would take a Robinhood marksman
Not to rain on anyone’s parade. But, obama has announced, more than once, he intends to by pass congress to push his agendas. He has simply told the federal courts that have ruled against him that he does not agree with their decision, and carries on. He is coming for us all, eventually. The Constitution be damned.
See: tomorrow’s Quote of the Day
I am looking forward to seeing the Glock 42!
Anybody know what holster is in the picture? Can’t quite make out the name and don’t recognize the logo.
No Bersa 380? I had one for awhile and loved it.
I mention my Bersa in the article. However, it is much larger than the pocket guns.
And no BG380…why?…Well, I know why….runaway winner is why!
I think I dry fired a BG380, and didn’t like the trigger.
Besides, I’m not on an unlimited budget, and my budget is going to go to zero when my wife discovers this article!
Do what I did with my wife; don’task, don’t tell. I don’t ask about her clothes/shoes, she doesn’t ask about the guns.
Disappointing pistol . I own 7 Glock handguns and have never had, (not once) a failure to feed in 18 years. Until I bought the Glock 42. I just left the range and will tell you all that it is a very accurate single shot pistol. Using 3 different types of range ammunition it Failed to Feed every single round for four full magazines . On the fifth mgazzine I actually got 2 rounds in a row before it stove piped . I carry a glock 19 every single day as my service weapon, and have in the past carried a mod 21 and 23 . I carry a mod 26 as a backup. I really expected a superior small caliber dependable concealable firearm. What I got was a very nice package pretty darn accurate door stop. You just can not depend on it . I won’t own it long
You shoot to stop, because your life is in danger. A “normal” chrystal meth criminal may not even realize he’s even been shot.
Friends don’t let friends shoot mouse guns. If it’s twenty-five yards and your life is in danger, you shoot. Don’t shoot to wound, don’t shoot to kill, shoot to stop!!
Dude. FLAME DELETED Read the article for what it is…a comparison of tiny pocket pistols. He specifically said he didn’t give a rat’s ass if any of us (but especially you) approved of such a pistol format.
Other than the slide, I like it 🙂 It looks like the faux stuff to me where they just etch the design….not saying it is, just that it appears that way to me for some reason.
I’d like to see the cops involved in the gun “buy back” in the picture charged with and convicted of felony fraud.
Now that would be a pretty nice piece of legislation.
Thanks for reminding me what a fifty looks like. It’s been so long I’d forgotten. . .
Nice job, Aaron! And never, ever apologize for not being a “journalist.” A journalist is nothing but a pretentious b@stard who lies through his teeth.
Oh, of course it’s having “performance issues” and wait times are going to up all over again. No. Can’t have any kind of convenience with a rogue and Unconstitutional agency that plays by nobody’s rules (not even its own).
I have a gen 4 26 9 and I love it, it fits anywhere fires any thing you put in it and uses all 9mil glock mags I wasn’t a glock fan until the gen 4 came out, I carried a sig 226 in the usmc but in the real world I carry the gen 4 in mod 21 45 auto and 26 9 mm, I love all my weapons and all are good but like a wife a man wants the best. SEMPER PHI
Feature, not bug. Oh, people can’t complete their NFA paperwork? We’re really concerned. We get it fixed right away!
Elegant but flimsy looking. If you want hard use knives that don’t cost a fortune buy Cold Steel. They have something for every taste except overly fancy and overpriced.
It is the considered opinion of many IT people that healthcare.gov is not designed to work at all, but to mine data.
I think that you have to look at those that are covered in the system now, not the ones who cant sign up. They are on track for the WH goals on form approval…
This is the first time I have ever heard of a Ruger revolver not working right. Ever. Send it back. Ruger would be appalled to hear of one of their guns not working. They will fix it. Their customer service is superb.
As for myself, I have had a P3AT since they were introduced. It goes bang. It fits in any pocket. It cost very little. I can’t ask for more. l would like a Colt, or SIG. Or even the Kahr(although I had some problems with an earlier Kahr). I just can’t afford one.
I think if the gun works, and you can get good hits with it, carry it.
External hammers for pocket carry = no bueno!
For those interested, the authors are now available at http://paragonpride.com/forum
and are always willing to field questions and comments about the book.
nice gun for 22
It reads more like a satire of the Obamacare website issues with an NFA twist. Is this genuine? I’m happy that I got the joke if it isnt.
Interesting article and comments. I hope everyone realizes that the article was written as a paid promo for corporate gun companies. As far as I can tell, the article means we should make no effort to regulate any weapons or try any method to keep any citizen safe from a gun crime. All efforts to label bullets or gun parts are not to be done because these efforts are not 100% reliable. Let me enlighten all of you to the facts. There is nothing 100% reliable about any identification method. All of the above problems quoted by this article are currently possible or being used by criminals and bad guys, so marking the bullet casings will not be any different. But it will help, even if only to solve one crime involving your loved ones. Over 60% of all households in the USA have no gun, and everyone of those wants to be safe from crazy or criminal gun users (not you, of course, but those other you). And if the majority of guns used in crime are stolen or otherwise acquired illegally, those citizens who oppose these efforts are only helping criminal and increasing corporate profits. It is a sad commentary on the mental health of the USA when large groups of citizens are brain washed by the gun industry into complaining about their rights for gun ownership, but refuse to agree that the rest of society has any rights. All responsible gun owners should be happy to support any reasonable effort to solve gun crimes. I propose including gun registrations throughout the entire life of the gun, with ownership transfer papers under all circumstances, and an obligation to report lost or stolen guns. Gun owners reporting stolen or lost guns will be off the hook. All law abiding gun owners have nothing to worry about. All brain washed people and corporate owners are afraid of this option, and any other attempts at reasonable controls, while respecting everybody’s right. Imagine a world in which gun owners are as responsible for their gun and any use or misuse of their gun as they have to be for their automobiles. We would still have people braking the laws for driving, but all law abiding citizens will benefit.
And the bad guys plans go without a hitch until they encounter Arnie and Johnny Knoxville. In a bus.
Damn, I need to get this book.
That is some good writing.
Wow! Great writing. Just bot on Kindle. Thanks Robt for the tip.
I’d tried a number of the small pocket carry semi-auto .380s and I ended up going with the TCP. Felt the best in my hand, and I liked that it has last round hold open. I have about 200 round through her so far without a hiccup. The only issue that I’ve had is that a couple of times I released the mag while shooting. I have now learned to make I keep my right thumb away from the mag release button while firing. Great little pistol! I paid $199.99 at Academy, which is practically a steal.
Chris Hernandez’s writing reminds me of Bryce Towsley’s meat grinder “The 14th Reinstated.” Both authors have a penchant for describing grisly killings in excruciating pornographic detail that leaves me wondering if this style of writing wins adherents to the 2A cause. What does it say about professed gun rights supporters to be associated with this type of mindset? How can you reconcile the fact that most mass shooters fantasized about this level of gore and trained for it through video games (before acting upon it) with the meme that gun owners are moral and law abiding all the while they fill their minds with this? Doesn’t it reinforce the negative stereotypes of gun owners as blood thirsty fiends and remove any moral superiority we might have if we promote this type of gratuitous writing? Comments appreciated.
I have a Legacy Puma manufactured by Rossi in 45 Colt. It has a 16″ round barrel. My rifle shoots 3″ to 4″ left of center at 25 yards with all loads tested. I tried a new hunting load at the range yesterday. Barnes XPB 225 gr copper bullet over 21 gr Alliant 2400, Starline brass, Wolf LP primer. Good news: two three shot groups stacked right on top of each other 1″ w x 3″ tall. Bad news: the group was a measured 14″ left of point of aim. I have already drifted the front sight 1/8″ to the left. Any smiths out there that can tell me what they did wrong at the factory to cause this?
As someone who works with lawyers in offices and is working towards law school, I can safely say I have never met a “gun lawyer.” Some lawyers like guns just like normal people, but I haven’t met one that exclusively handles gun matters.
My point is shop carefully and hopefully ask a lawyer you know personally.
Unfortunately, gun shop owners are just as bad, even those whose purport to specialize in NFA sales. I have purchased roughly a dozen NFA items and have heard all manner of complete crap flowing from their mouths. Such as “once you register a SBR, you can swap in a longer barrel but not a shorter one” and other gems of that nature. As a customer, you’d like to think that someone selling you something with felony potential would know what they are doing. Its not a safe assumption. When in doubt, call the ATF and check out the rulings on their website.
They’ve got that messed up. You can use any barrel length you want.
I think I know the area of confusion:
What you can do is file for ATF Form 1 to make a silencer and wind up with a tube that is longer than the registration but not shorter.
Morons. I haven’t bought anything from CTD since their post Newtown stumble. And I’m not inclined to do so now.
Well I deal first hand with graphics people butchering industry specific terminology all day, but that still won’t prevent me from pointing and laughing at CTD in light of their politics and apparent refusal to man up to their unpopular decision.
Yeah that’s the thing, little mistakes like that are way down on the list for me when we have people trying to legislate .30 caliber guns that fire 30 clip magazines in a second.
I haven’t had the opportunity to shoot most of these guns and enjoyed the review. I did shoot the Sig P238 and he S/W Bodyguard a few months back. The S/W was on my short list and I didn’t like it that much. Loved the Sig till I priced them. I ended up buying the new generation Ruger LCP and like it a lot. Have not compared it to the older version but from what I have read it is a completely different trigger pull. At less than 1/2 the price of the Sig I can afford to put some extra ammo through it. So far it shoots just about anything I have tried and I’m up to 8 different FMJ and 2 defensive loads. Only two semi failures were a fail to feed on a couple of rounds with the steel Russian TulAmmo, needed to give the back of the slide a tap to finish the chambering and 1 round of Remington UMC same problem.
A good follow up to this review is the defensive ammo test
http://shootingthebull.net/blog/final-results-of-the-380-acp-ammo-quest/
Maybe bloombuzzard & the mothers against protecting their children can send dirtier than dirt some money, sniff sniff, sure hope they don’t go out of business, Randy
Obviously, they have merged with the NYT and use the same copywriters.
My father carried a BAR through the swamps of Leyte in the Philippines and then on to the Battle of Okinawa where this weapon eventually saved his life and the lives of many in his unit. It was on the island of Okinawa in April of 1945 when my father left the cover of his foxhole and charged forward by himself, “everyone else was dead or wounded” and took out 11 of the charging enemy with this “heavy” gun .While the wounded were being evacuated my Dad and his BAR sprayed a barrage of continuous fire further protecting his unit from further danger. For this atcion he was awarded the Silver Star.
I mostly remember them as the company that was trying to sell used aluminum G.I. mags for $99 during the panic, complete with a little graphic next to the price that told us how much we’d “save” by buying from them.
Cheaper Than Dirt is dead to me.
While fictional, it really highlights the utility of those BAR reproductions from SHOT.
Edit: i will buy your book if the little shit also dies equally as graphically. Your ability to create loathsome characters rivals George Martin.
How does the saying go? “He who represents himself has a fool for a lawyer?”
Just kidding. But the point is the same, you can act as your own counsel and construct legal instruments for yourself, e.g. Gun trust, but you cannot do same for others without a license.
Item # 1005 why the BATFE needs to be burned to the ground.
I think this video is a hoax. They don’t let their subjects have handguns in Australia.
Crap, beat me to it. Was about to post the exact same thing.
UK has become a nation full of criminals and pussi3s. Sad to see.
Maybe someone ought to spread this around to some Police Departments here in the states (like NYPD, for example)….In Oz, the PoPo managed to resolve a serious issue with no fatalities. In NYC, they would have donned OD BDU’s, mobilozed their MRAP, evacuated a 6 block area, put everyone in mandatory lockdown, and dumped 42 rounds (most of which would have missed their intended target and injured innocent bystanders) before 3 lucky hits dropped him, cold stone dead.
I hope this will be out in a kindle version.
Do you read any of the NRA publications? Watch NRA TV shows like American Rifleman? Do you watch Shooting Gallery and a few other TV shows? Guess who sponsors them? CTD, among others.
Shouldn’t we be pressuring these venues to shun CTD?
My disdain for this windbag continues apace.
I’m not sure “completely normal American” is the best way to describe this guy. Obviously he wasn’t a completely normal American, because normal people don’t commit multiple murders and load up their backpacks with explosives, especially not in public settings.
But I get your point. There was no way anyone could have known this guy harbored murderous intent until he went out and acted on it. He was normal, until he suddenly wasn’t.
So MDA’s solution is to make it virtually impossible for ordinary people to own guns — because every one of these mass shooting perpetrators was an ordinary person before they started killing people. Therefore the problem clearly lies with ordinary people, who are only 99.92% trustworthy and therefore must be restricted for their own good.
What’s really ironic is when I saw this story on Yahoo News, it was right next to a story about Gabby Giffords whining about the need for more gun control.
Why the lockdown? The kid didn’t shoot anyone, and was apparently apprehended immediately after being shot. Were they afraid the cop would go on a rampage?
CRIMINALS
Don’t buy from private citizens on Facebook, gun shows, or brick-and-mortar gun stories.
Occasionally, people mature with age.
I’ve seen all kinds of guns fail. I’ve seen M-16’s run with minimal maintenance through some pretty hard use and I’ve seen AK’s (civilian AK’s) malfunction and break.
A good AK is a great rifle.
A good AR is a great rifle.
Choose the one you like and go from there.
Is there a round that’s…..
Larger than the 223,
smaller than the 308,
is flatter shooting than the 223,
is lighter than 308,
is equally good from 10″ barrels as it is from 20″ barrels,
is suppressor friendly,
utilizes AR15 lowers,
can be used on anything from squirrels to moose and grizzly bears,
and hits its target like a freight train?
If so, the Military, every hunter, and weekend shooter would like to check it out.
I still wanna know what a M320 is…
grenade launcher that replaces the M203
I know I’m late but I had to chime in. Kahr now makes the CW380, with a street price in the lower 300s. It’s a great value. It’s a lower priced version of the p380 but the same size and function. I don’t own one (yet) but I am very happy with my Kahr CM9 and CW9. Also I was recently able to fondle a Glock 42 and found it to be small enough to ride in all but the smallest of my pockets.
I have CM9 (recently purchased), and it is larger than the p380 but STILL smaller than the G42. I sent Dan a pic of my P380 on top of a G42 for comparison, but he hasn’t posted the update I sent.
Who make the holsters a with flap as pictured above. The two
red/orange leather ones?
As was stated earlier, many CCW holders do not want to kill, they just want to bite him hard enough so that he will go away. While a .25 at 10 yards might not hurt him that much, if is usually enough to get him to go somewhere else.
A .32 would for sure. The only thing you have to be worried about is a crazy doped up stalker who just doesn’t care about his own life, he will keep coming. If you know that you are being targeted, or are a LEO, you may feel this is needed.
The average CCWer does not need a .10 or a .40 to feel safe. These guns are not confortable to carry or to shoot. Even after monthly training with the little lady, she may not want to fire it either.
I like a .380 or a Mak for me and for her