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From top: Colt Mustand Pocketlite .380, Beretta Tomcat .32, Kel-Tec P3AT .380, Sundance Arms .25, Seecamp LWS .32

By Aaron

Above you’ll see a portion of my pocket gun collection. I thought it would be interesting for others (and entertaining for me) to write up a quick comparison. Before we start, a few caveats and disclosures: first, keep in mind that when I discuss accuracy, I fire my pocket guns at targets at a distance of five yards.  Massad Ayoob would disagree with that. He’s made clear in his gun reviews that he tests handguns at 25 yards, but he’s a cop and that makes his requirements different from a citizen’s. John Q. Public would have a very hard time justifying a self defense claim shooting a handgun at someone who’s 75 feet away . . .

Second, this is a pocket gun roundup, not a debate on the best caliber for handguns. I’m not interested in comments about how the puny pistols in this post don’t live up to someone else’s opinions on the best self defense caliber. The best caliber depends on what your requirements are.

Lots of folks like to point out the 1986 Miami FBI shootout as evidence that one should carry the most powerful handgun available. And I sort of agree with them, if their recommendation is for cops who must interdict and apprehend criminals, instead of just protecting themselves and getting their family to safety. In the Miami case the FBI rammed the suspects’ car to apprehend them and ended up in a gunfight that didn’t go well.  Again, a private citizen would have a hard time making a self defense case getting into a gunfight in similar circumstances.

The best guns for police (or military) requirements are irrelevant for citizen defense. No handgun is suitable for military service except as a back-up weapon, because no handgun has the power and range of rifles and machine guns. An M4 with an M320 attached isn’t suitable for civilian concealed carry even though it is vastly superior to ANY handgun caliber.

Police requirements would (or should) be less than those of the military, but more than civilian self defense requirements. Police work involves forcible apprehensions and the possibility of shooting through cover such as windshields. So while the .380 round may be inadequate for police service, I believe it is sufficient for self defense at realistic self defense distances of five yards and closer. In fact, even a .32 might be a good choice for some because the best gun for citizen self defense is the one you’ll have with you.

Finally, your mileage may vary. I am providing data from my experience, which may not match yours, so use your own critical thinking skills as you read my post.

I started the process of acquiring pocket guns when I decided to get a concealed carry permit and wanted something more concealable for warm weather than my two smallest “real” guns at the time, a Bersa Thunder and a Ruger SP101 with a 3″ barrel. I also have the .25 pictured in the photos, but IMO it is a novelty – easy to shoot, but not reliable and too low powered for even a pocket gun, so it is not even considered as a contender.

The Bersa is an excellent gun with very nice sights (not all Bersas have nice sights, apparently) but it’s too big to conceal in a pocket. The SP101 has given me trouble since the day I bought it; sometimes it works great and other times the cylinder won’t turn properly making it extremely difficult to shoot. I took it to a gunsmith a while back but he couldn’t replicate and did not solve the problem, although he certainly did a great job of smoothing the trigger out.

So I started the search for a concealed carry pocket pistol with a Kel-Tec P3AT for two reasons: first, the trigger pull was much better than the Ruger LCP I was comparing it to at the gun store. And Kel-Tec products are inexpensive and some folks had good things to say about them. The Kel-Tec is a lightweight, polymer frame double-action-only pistol.

My experience was mixed – it’s small, thin, and light and it’s plenty accurate for its purpose. However, the trigger pull is only OK – it’s long and uneven. Worse, it just wouldn’t run reliably. It didn’t like hollow points of any brand and sometimes puked on ball ammo.

I sent it back to the factory and they worked on it for free, but even after that it still would occasionally stovepipe. Maybe it’s me “limp wristing” the gun, as some folks say the Kel-Tec is sensitive to how firmly it’s held, but I don’t think so. I’m a fairly decent shot and don’t have this problem with other guns.

pocketlite on 1911

Next I picked up a new model Colt Mustang Pocketlite. I was actually looking for a SIG P238 but retailers only had P938s at that time, although now I see P238s every time I go to the gun stores.  Anyway, the Colt Mustang Pocketlite is awesome so I am very happy with my fortuitous inability to find a P238 at that time.  Shooting the Mustang Pocketlite is just like shooting a little tiny 1911 with the recoil scaled down commensurately. It’s really easy to rapidly empty a magazine into the head of a silhouette at five yards, although obviously that’s just for fun and not good practice. It’s never jammed – in fact, it operated flawlessly with some old, oxidized Sellier and Bellot that made my Kahr P380 puke on its shoes. The Pocketlite is the best shooting pocket gun I have ever fired.

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Size matters: Full-size 1911, top; Colt officer modle, middle; Colt Mustang Pocketlite .380, bottom

However, the Pocketlite is thicker than the Kel-Tec, and in my quest for pocket gun perfection, I wanted everything: great shooting, light weight and super thinness. Plus, my wife was going to get her own concealed carry permit and she wanted a gun that was tiny, had no recoil, aimed itself and had massive knock down power. Since I couldn’t find any Star Trek phasers for sale, I picked up a couple of tiny .32s just to try, a Seecamp LWS and a Beretta Tomcat.

 

The Tomcat is relatively easy to shoot, reasonably accurate, and has the great advantage of a tip-up barrel for people who have trouble racking the slide. My wife was able to shoot the gun just fine and put all of her shots into a silhouette at five yards (she doesn’t really like to shoot for fun).

One odd thing happened the second time I shot the Tomcat – it jammed, and of course since it doesn’t have an extractor, you tip the barrel up to clear a jam. I cleared the jam and the barrel would not go back into battery.  There was something jamming the little spring that barrel closes onto. When I got it home and cleaned it again, the problem seemed to disappear, but I need to shoot it again to see if this is a recurring issue. I’m currently undecided about the Tomcat due to the jam.

The Seecamp is really tiny and very, very concealable. It’s all stainless and heavier than its small size would indicate. It appears well engineered and well machined, like a nice heavy Omega Seamaster watch. To keep the gun small, it uses a fixed barrel and blowback action. Using recommended ammo types (Federal Hydra-Shoks and Hornady XTP in my case), it has been 100% reliable so far, but readers have to understand that it only has about 50 rounds through it because shooting it is like sticking your hand in a mousetrap.

For comparison, it’s more comfortable to shoot full-power .357s through my 3″ SP101 than to shoot .32s through my Seecamp. It’s also very hard to shoot with any accuracy because it has no sights, a minuscule sight radius, a long (but smooth and even) trigger pull and a kick totally out of proportion to the size of the bullet it fires. That brings the “sight picture” off the target for follow-up rounds. On top of that, the trigger kicks the trigger finger when firing. The shooter sights the gun down the barrel, which isn’t easy to do under low light.

The first time I fired the Seecamp I actually put fewer holes in the silhouette than the number of bullets I had just fired –  a major shooting faux pax. After a few practice magazines I can get all the bullets into the silhouette at five yards with no problems, but shooting the gun hasn’t become any more comfortable.

I respect Larry Seecamp for his innovative design and quality manufacturing, but I disagree with him about the sights. I think the Seecamp would be much better with a trench sight cut into the slide, sort of like what Colt does with the new agent. It’s just too hard to quickly line up the barrel because it’s so short. That won’t make the Seecamp into a target gun, but it will let you know if you’re dropping the muzzle down while lining up a shot. Certainly one could learn to group the Seecamp much better than I have, if one was willing to shoot it enough. I’ll keep it handy, though, because it’s tiny and it works.

Finally, I acquired a Kahr P380.The Kahr is a polymer frame pistol similar in size and weight to the Kel-Tec P3AT, but higher in quality. The double-action trigger pull is excellent, second only to the single-action Colt Mustang Pocketlite. There’s no safety that a shooter must remember to turn off – just point and shoot like a revolver.

thickness comparo
Colt Pocketlite, left; Kahr P380, right

 

My Kahr came with a 7-round extended magazine and a 6-round flush mag. I picked it up at the store and immediately went to their range to shoot it.  The 7-round mag didn’t feed correctly; the slide did not strip rounds off of the magazine – a bad omen. I started to wonder if I could still get a refund, but I didn’t want the 7-round mag anyway because it stuck out from the bottom of the gun and would make it harder to conceal.

The 6-round magazine worked fine. I expected a few hiccups because Kahrs have a recommended break in period of at least 200 rounds. I shot the Kahr alongside the Pockelite and was pleasantly surprised by how nice the gun was to shoot – almost as good as the Pocketlite. Therefore, I decided to withhold judgement until cleaning it and feeding it more ammo.

I bought another 6-round mag and went back to the range to again shoot the Kahr side-by-side with the Pocketlite. The Kahr choked on some oxidized Sellier and Bellot, which the Pocketlite ate with no issues.  However, during the break-in period it functioned perfectly for the next 90 rounds: a 50-round white box of range ammo, a 20-round box of Hornady Critical Defense, and a 20-round box of Magtech First Defense. It appears very reliable now.

So, how do these guns stack up? Her’es how I rate them:

Shootability

1. Mustang Pocketlite and Kahr – tie
2. Kel-Tec
3. Tomcat
4. Seecamp

Accuracy – reasonable groups at five yards, rapid fire (~2 rounds per second)

1. Mustang Pocketlite
2. Kahr
3. Tomcat
4. Kel-Tec – accurate at slow fire, but the long jerky trigger pull make fast follow-up shots difficult
5. Seecamp – almost impossible for me to shoot accurately at ~2 rounds per second

Concealabilty

1. Seecamp
2. Kahr and Kel-Tec – it’s a tie here
3. Mustang Pocketlite
4. Tomcat – it’s small enough, but too thick. It would make a great purse gun, however.

Reliability

1. Mustang Pocketlite
2. Kahr – after break-in period
3. Seecamp – zero malfunctions but small sample size
4. Tomcat and Kel-Tec – it was a tie

Cost (price paid, from cheapest to most expensive)

1. Kel-Tec P3AT
2. Beretta .32 Tomcat
3. Seecamp LWS .32 (note, the LWS 380 was selling for almost 3 times the price of the LWS .32, so if this was an LWS 380 it would have scored the worst)
4. Kahr P380
5. Colt Mustang Pocketlite

The overall winner for concealed carry: the Kahr. While it wasn’t the best in any one category, it’s very good and has the best combination of attributes. Primarily, it’s almost as good as the Pocketlite and is smaller and thinner.

Overall winner for pure shooting: the Mustang Pocketlite. It’s just plain fun.

size comparo with 50
Colt Pocketline, top; Kahr P380, middle; Seecamp .32, bottom

[ED: TTAG’s securing some GLOCK 42s for testing and evaluation. We shall send Aron a 42 to go head-to-head with his top two pocket guns ASAP. Watch this space.]

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    • Yep. I think this (excellent) article shows why there is a market for the G42. It addresses nearly all of the complaints about the various guns reviewed here: unreliability, bad triggers, poor sights, painful recoil. The price is competitive, or will be once the initial price-gouging dies down. The downside is that it is pretty big for a pocket gun while still only packing 6+1 in 380.

  1. Actually, the 1986 Miami FBI shootout showed us that in a shoot out, you want a rifle. The guy with the Ruger Mini14 did most of the damage to the FBI.

    • The officers were shooting Winchester Silvertip hollowpoints. Several ballistic tests with gel have shown terrible performance. It’s only a matter of time until we have some 25 acp rounds that penetrate 13-18 inches with a 1.5-2x expansion diameter.

      • I’m not sure about what makes you say that. Physics is physics, and there has to be enough energy with the SAAMI pressure specs to drive an expanded projectile that deep.

        They STILL have that issue with the .380.

      • One 9mm FBI Silvertip fired early in the battle did inflict a lethal wound on Michael Platt. It went through his right bicep, into the right chest and severed a pulmonary artery. He had a liter of blood in his chest cavity at autopsy. That wound would be questionable in terms of survivability if it happened in a trauma center with a surgery team ready to go.

        The 9mm did fine. It just wasn’t an immediate fight-stopper against a fully-adrenalized man who was simply not going to give up. He was shot several more times in the next couple of minutes, what finally ended the gunfight was a cylinder full of .38 Specials at point-blank range into Platt & Mattix.

        Platt was a dead man walking, or rather, a dead man running and shooting, and the 9mm Silvertip inflicted a fatal wound. The problem is that he was armed with a much more effective weapon than the people he was in a gun fight with. ALL handgun wounds short of a CNS hit (brain/spine) that are lethal are lethal because a vital vessel was hit and sufficient bleeding occurred to cause shock and death. There is NO handgun that is a “fight stopper” if the victim has a mind to continue, and a brain or spinal hit has not occurred.

        Almost a decade later an Air Force SP used a 9mm Beretta with ball ammo to stop a shooter outside the base hospital at Fairchild AFB. He fired four times, hit the gunman twice and stopped the AK-armed gunman with a shot to the head. From 70 yards.

        The 9mm is just fine, and a CNS hit with any handgun is probably enough to stop a fight. The .32 ACP is no titan of power, but if you can shoot them in the right spot it will work. Or you can shoot them enough times and wait for them to bleed out.

        • my opinion is that if an average citizen had shot Platt with any caliber, and wasn’t blocking Platt’s avenue of escape, Platt most likely would have fled. Platt was an enraged Army Ranger Vietnam vet who’s avenue of escape was blocked by FBI agents. Not a situation likely to occur in civil self defense.

    • Had half the agents not lost their sidearms in the crash (because they were unsecured) and had to go to backup pocket guns they would have had a better time of it.

  2. I carried an AMT Backup in .45 ACP for a few years. Never had a problem with functioning or concealing it. The two drawbacks to it were accuracy and actually firing it. Both were a consequence of the very heavy DAO trigger pull. I couldn’t hit anything beyond 10 feet with it and all attempts to become more proficient were stymied by the trigger resetting and slapping the pad on my trigger finger as it did so. After one magazine of 6 rounds, the fleshy pad had a noticeable redness to it. After 2 magazines, it was painful enough that I had to stop shooting for the day. I ended up selling it to a friend of mine and now it’s a safe queen.

    • in the 90’s I had an AMT .380 backup. It didn’t kick too painfully, what was painful was that it jammed all the time!

  3. I heard a perhaps apocryphal story about the late Louis Seecamp, Larry’s father, who developed the original .25 ACP Seecamp pistol. A customer complained that it had no sights. Seecamp snapped back, “Fachrisake, ya stick it up their nose and pull the trigger!”

      • Yes! my only gripe about my P3AT is the Stavenhagen (German for useless) sights. I wish the all- knowing manufacturers would cut out the “we designed this for elevator distances” crap, put a set of notch-and -blade sights on these small guns, and let ME decide whether the Bad Guy is too far away or not. What if the bad guy is not obliging enough to come within 7 yards?
        Fine article Aaron. Thanks!

        • I’m of the opinion that you would have a hard time justifying self defense at long ranges, but I agree about sights. However, an even more critical gripe with my P3AT is that it jams. A lot.

        • Damn, man. You have a Ruger SP101, one of the most reliable machines on the planet, but yours is a lemon AND your P3AT- pretty much the only consistently reliable gun Kel-Tec has ever made- is crap too?

          You, my friend, have bad gun karma.

        • follow-up to Swarf, who doesn’t have a reply button: had the SP101 deep cleaned by the gunsmith at my LGS, and now it works just fine.

          The problem was that I (stupidly) cleaned it with WD40 about 20 years ago, which resulted in strange gunk formations deep in the guts which got soft and gummy when the gun got hot.

          Apparently the works needed a soak in solvent for a couple days.

          Props to the guys at my LGS.

    • ^^This. A .25 ACP round is all but useless at less than contact distances.

      A friend managing a movie theater in Dayton, OH carried a Seecamp .25. He confronted two burglars late one night, had his pistol taken away and was shot three times pointblank. He survived and went on to a long career with the Cincinnati PD.

      Also in Dayton a LEO friend told me of a call he responded to where a heavy-set man answered the door and his girlfriend’s ex unloaded 7 rounds of .25 ACP into him point blank. He was fine until the 7th round entered his mouth and broke his jaw, which knocked him out. He made a full recovery.

      If your target don’t scare easily, .25 isn’t going to be a reliable choice. Aim for the eyes.

      • all of that sounds plausible, but it is also true that one of the biggest causes of handgun deaths, especially in the economically challenged sections of any big city, is the .25. It has zero stopping power, but lots of thugs have bled out because another thug busted a .25 cap in their azz.

  4. Interesting comments from the author about the unpleasant experience he had using the Seecamp. I had the same experience with another .380, the Mauser HSc, a classic design. The pistol is all steel, relatively pocketable, snag-free, and a beast to shoot.

    I’m not recoil sensitive in the slightest, but there’s something about the design that sends a sharp recoil impulse directly into the bone at the base of my thumb. Two or three magazines downrange and not only am I done, but I’ll have what feels like a bone bruise for days after. I can shoot .40s, .45s and .357s all the live-long day, but an hour with the Mauser is no fun at all.

    I agree with the author on the Colt Mustang; mine’s not a Pocketlight, but the all stainless steel version. Great to shoot — just not a fan of cocked-and-locked in pocket carry.

    • thanks. cocked and locked doesn’t bother me when the Pocketlite is in a pocket holster, because the trigger is protect. For me, the issue is that the Pocketlite is a little too thick for actual pocket carry in shorts or jeans.

      • Wish I could help…my main carry gun is a P3AT. Because I can’t carry at work, I have never gotten the chcane to get used to carrying anything bigger, so it’s always just a P3AT in the back pocket of my jeans. Every time I try carrying anything bigger, I feel very conspicuous…it’s easy to place a money clip with drivers license, carry permit, and money in a pocket, than the kel-tec in my wallet pocket, without feeling self-conscious. But, because I can’t carry all the time due to working at a government installation, if I try carrying anything bigger, I am constantly playing with it and adjusting it.

    • Totally agree. I have had a Colt Mustang +II , in stainless, for some time now. I use an IWB holster in the small of my back, and have had no problems. I also like the two extra rounds.

    • I have a Colt Mustang. Love shooting the gun. However I am a lefty so it is not a good carry gun. I went with a Kahr for my carry gun. I tried a LCP before that but the Kahr for me shoots so much better. It is not as good as the Colt but I don’t have to worry about a safety on the wrong side.

      • There is a new version of the Mustang with a polymer frame and ambidextrous safety, just in case you were still interested in carrying a Mustang. I have no personal experience with it, but it got a good review in Guns and Ammo.

        • No, they don’t want to stop getting free guns! However, the reviewer compared the polymer Mustang side-by-side with a Mustang Pocketlite, so it sounds about right.

    • I’ve shot an HSc in .380 and an M&P Shield in .40, and I’ll take recoil of the far lighter but more powerful Shield any day.

  5. Bravo.

    Nice to see some comparisons for real guns for real people. Nothing wrong with high speed, low drag guns for police and/or military use. But in real life incidents, the average Joe will likely never have to even draw, much less shoot someone.

    Lets take it even further. Say a bad guy does eat a weak, useless wussified .380 to the chest. Will they walk through 6 more rounds of pistol fire to steal your car or your wallet? Doubt it. More like they’ll beat it to the nearest hospital, which naturally leaves you and yours in peace.

    Lets now go to the place the kydex and thigh holster crowd NEVER talk about-court. Cops generally don’t go there unless something really crazy happens, and same for soldiers. You, however, are an ordinary Joe. No internal review board for you, mon ami. Proceed to Grand Jury , do not pass go, do not collect $200.

    “A good shoot is a good shoot, right?”….

    Unless youre in front of a jury of 12 granola eaters. I’d rather be the wussy guy who walks out of court a free man packing a girly man .380 who shot an attacker that lived , then the tactically prepared super-citizen whos being indicted because he carried a scary looking red-dot equipped 10mm .

    I fully expect a series of negative comments on this topic, and thats OK. But I commend the author for not bending to the will of the Caliber Snobs.

    • Bad news, man: if you use any kind of firearm to defend yourself, the granola eaters will want to throw the book at you anyway. The way they see it, if you weren’t part of the uncaring, corporate, bourgeoisie, military-industrial complexin’, rape-culturin’, smallpox-blanket-givin’, white privileged penistocracy, then that poor, innocent victim of society wouldn’t have had get tight on the rock, and then try smashing your window and beating in your face with a brick so he can steal your car.

      And whether you’re using a .380, a .45 or anything else, deliberately going for a non-lethal shot is an awesome way to make sure you don’t live to see an indictment, because shooting to wound is just as likely to make an attacker double down on you as it is to make him flee. If you’re just looking to inconvenience a mugger or burglar, then use pepper spray and hope whatever he’s high on still lets him feel it. You shoot to kill or you don’t shoot at all.

      • most bad guys flee when a gun is presented or they get shot at. And if I have to shoot somebody, I’m doing it to provide cover to get my family to safety. Not discounting your opinion, but I think a .32 or .380 is a good option for a citizen’s self defense outside of the home. In my home, an intruder is going to eat .45 cal lead.

        • I wasn’t even discussing the effectiveness of any calibers; I have a .380 LCP I use as backup to my .45 XDs, so clearly I trust my life to the .380 to some extent. I was talking about using lethal force, and if you’re carrying a gun for protection you should’ve already committed to using it, so hoping you can just scare them off with a shot or two with it is a big and potentially deadly gamble you’re choosing to take.

          Yes, he might run away after one shot, but holy shit what if he doesn’t? What if he’s stoned to the point that all the pain-processing parts of his brain are numbed so that all he can feel is violent rage at the punkass who just shot him? Not discounting your opinion either, but I’d rather tilt as many variables in my favor as possible. If someone attacks me or my family, I don’t want to give that bastard anything close to a fair fight.

        • Lucas, well if a “bath salt cannibal” keeps coming, then put one in either of his tear ducts!

          Seriously, I kind of agree with you, I just find it easier to carry a small, thin gun. My .45s are obviously better calibers, but I’m not going to go through the nut roll of trying to carry one.

        • My XDs is .45 ACP and practically the same size as a Glock 42, and I can easily find 9mm and .40 pistols even smaller than that. If a .32 or whatever is what you want to carry, good on you, but don’t pretend that you have no other options, and for God’s sakes please don’t try to be cute when someone’s discussing lethal force.

        • I’ve never seen a Glock 42, but I have fired an XDS, and it is significantly larger than any gun in the round-up.

        • So were talking keychain-sized only and no subcompacts? Okay then, for the largest overlap between extremely small size, effectiveness, and a non-insane price point I guess the LCP or a TCP would be best but… why aren’t they on this roundup?

        • Lucas, this is about POCKET GUNS. And the reason that not every pocket gun in the world is in this round up is because I bought all of the guns out of my pocket; these are MY personal guns and I can’t just buy every gun in the market (well, I could, but I have a pesky mortgage, wife, 3-year old, you know, expenses). If someone had sent me guns to include, I would have included them. I’m just a dude who sent an article to Dan Zimmerman to post, I am not a journalist.

      • It’s not a matter of the perp doubling down but him being close enough that he doesn’t feel the 380 through the adrenalin rush before he reaches you. He can do a lot of damage to you in the few seconds takes for him to feel the effects. Unless he is really stoned he will feel the impact of a 230 grain JHP pretty much when it hits him. At that point he most likely “reassess” the situation and opts for medical care instead of your wallet.

    • The psychological stop will work for a large proportion of cases, but you’re getting to the point where you’re treating the gun like a magic wand. Wave it and the bad guy goes away. At worst, activate its magical powers and he’ll disappear.

      A lot of people will run and a lot would break off if they’re hit, but you could also be up against someone who’s high or drunk, or just ludicrously determined for some unknown reason. If the psychological stop doesn’t work, the rounds have to do enough damage to cause a physiological stop. That’s central nervous system damage or more likely blood loss. That can definitely happen with the smaller caliber pocket guns, but you have a smaller margin of error.

        • I would as well, but since I am comfortable carrying a larger gun, I do, because I’d rather have 13 rounds of 9mm in addition to my fists and elbows, rather than six rounds of .380. In most cases, the scenario would play out exactly the same with either gun. The guy would see it, realize the risks inherent in this enterprise were too high and run. In a few other scenarios, a shot gets fired, and the guy runs. But in those cases where the sight of the gun doesn’t do it, and the shock of getting hit doesn’t do it, then I want the ability make his body stop doing what it needs to do to keep coming at me.

          Edited to add: I understand this is a comparo of pocket guns, and this has gotten a little off topic. However, pocket guns are a bit of a compromise, and there’s no getting around that.

    • Well, on that note, you should eat granola, too.
      You’ll probably be increasing your lifespan. Plus, you’ll feel better, overall, than with whatever else you might be eating instead.
      Granted, glistening pig fat and donut glaze sure is awesome in the mouth, but when it accumulates in your arteries and around your belly that’s a different story – and you can’t just swab it out with Hoppes No. 9.

  6. Have both the Kel Tec and the Colt Pocketlite in .380. Some Flitz and a “fluff & buff” on the KT, have solved any reliability issues with any good ammo. Yes one has to go to Arkansas and back with the trigger pull but it’s my shorts and T shirt goto. Love the Colt, replaced the dual springs with a single, very accurate. Thanks for the review of the Kahr been eyeing one for a while.

  7. I had a similar journey but I was unable to find a Colt Mustang Pocketlite and ended up with a Sig P238 which I love. Zero feeding problems.

    • I too carry this one most frequently. 1 Stove pipe on the first shot and never a hiccup since.
      I have other options of higher caliber, but this fits for about anything.

    • isn’t that just the way fate works! I would probably be happy with a P238, too, but now that I have a Mustang Pocketlite I’m keeping it forever!

  8. we were going through my late grandfather’s effects over the weekend and amongst his various WWII army ribbons and medals, there were two small cartridges marked “S&B” and “7.65”. Doing a little research, it seems he had some sort of “Saturday Night Special” in 32acp. My dad said it was a Lugar but that didn’t make much sense.

    I’ve been firm on 9mm only but just bought a Beretta Model 70S in 380acp and have been looking at a Sig P230 or 232 as well as another Beretta in 32acp.

    • My dad said it was a Lugar but that didn’t make much sense.

      Luger’s were made in 7.65. Sometimes they’re called .30 caliber Lugers. They can be very collectible, depending on manufacturing date and condition.

    • WW2 and if it was .32 acp your grandfather may have had a walther pp, common as lice in the german military and civil government, a beretta, a sauer or any number of quality European guns. Saturday Night Special isn’t a sure thing because of the caliber.

  9. I have the sp101 in 22 for target shooting and it had serious problems with locking up after a shot for the first 500 rounds or so, to the point where I had to fiddle with the hammer to get it to unjam. After that (and with maybe 1000 dry fires), it seems to have loosened up. I think it just has a serious breaking in problem.

    Last time I took it to the range I got 300 or so rounds through it without a problem.