“Authorities on Thursday killed a man suspected of shooting dead four people a day earlier in separate incidents at a barbershop and a car wash in neighboring upstate New York towns,” reuters.com reports. This after not one but two previous shoot-outs wherein Kurt Meyers avoided ventilation and escaped police. We don’t know how many rounds were expended in their attempt to eliminate Mr. Meyers—any more than we know why Reuters decided to mention the SAFE Act in their coverage of the shotgun showdown. OK, we know that one. So tanks for that and let’s turn to the The Big Apple po-po, two members of which shot a Brooklyn teen yesterday, much to the consternation of local residents . . .
NYPD PR told the Times that Kimani Gray threatened officers with a revolver. Maybe something to do with the fact that they weren’t wearing uniforms? Anyway, clock this post-Empire State Building shootout (nine bystanders wounded) on New York’s Finest’s marksmanship . . .
As officers got out of the car to question him, Mr. Gray turned and pointed a .38-caliber Rohm revolver at them, the police said; two officers fired, hitting the teenager. He was pronounced dead a short time later at Kings County Hospital Center.
Mr. Gray did not fire the handgun, which was recovered at the scene. Paul J. Browne, the chief spokesman for the Police Department, said the six-shot revolver was loaded with four live rounds.
“After the anti-crime sergeant and police officer told the suspect to show his hands, which was heard by witnesses, Gray produced a revolver and pointed it at the officers, who fired a total of 11 rounds, striking Gray several times,” Mr. Browne said.
UPDATE: the Times reports that “Seven bullets hit Mr. Gray, including three that entered his body from the rear, according to the New York City Office of the Chief Medical Examiner.”
So, to be fair, seven out of eleven with no collateral damage ain’t bad. Of course with the NY SAFE Act, non-LEO civilians are only allowed seven shots total. FWIW.
Two things. First, was at my LGS last week and of course ammo (or the lack of) was the topic, and this a$$hat who I would assume was a regular there talked about his sale on Gunbroker (I think), and he mentioned he didn’t have any hits yet on his 22LR, and then he mentioned he had 60,000 rounds! Now this wasn’t a Bill O’Reilly miscommunication, he was serious, really 60,000 rounds of 22LR, sorry I know it’s all about “capitalism” and all, but IMHO he’s an a$$hole!
And Second, I was at our local Cabela’s today (Hazelwood, MO) and they had at least 10 ARs for sale. Bushmasters, Sigs and some other brands I couldn’t identify. Even though I’m not in the market, it was good to see them in stock, and the prices were pretty close to what they were pre Sandy Hook!
If the kid indeed drew a gun, I have zero problem with the police dropping him. Stories vary of course, but I am of the belief no amount of bullets are too many when your life is threatened.
What actually happened remains to be seen.
Did the government employees have their weapons drawn? If so the citizen had every right to try and protect himself. Were the government employees in uniform? Did they look like cops or did they look like a couple gang bangers? The car was unmarked, something else that should not be allowed in a free society.
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I like writing stories like this – after a while I get tired of carping on politics. Ali was delightful. There was another lady at the match that I wanted to interview, but that had to wait until another time.
I think we need to show our non-shooting friends that not every gunner is an OFWG with a beard, a gut and a snarl.
Hey! Watch it! I don’t have a beard!
Sounds good in theory, however you fail to take into account Lake City, McAlester Army Ammunition Plant, and the other federally owned ammunition manufacturing facilities. The thing about these facilities is that while the government may contract them out for operation, at the end of the day they are government owned. The government would not feel a civilian ammo boycott. They would simply stop their dual purpose facilities (civilian and government) from selling to civilians to take up the slack.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/14/nyregion/teenager-killed-by-new-york-police-was-shot-7-times.html
“The autopsy report on Mr. Gray did not specify which of the seven bullets caused the death of the teenager; that determination awaits further investigation.
One bullet entered his left shoulder in the rear; two other bullets struck the back of his thighs, one in the left thigh and one in the right. Two bullets struck from the front, hitting his right thigh; one bullet entered his left side, striking his lower rib cage; and the last bullet hit his left lower forearm.”
1 COM hit out of 7, although obviously the 4 thigh wounds could have been serious, depending on femoral artery involvement.
Ever grateful that I own something in .17hmr. I have yet to find any place even close to being sold out of that.
So it took 11 rounds for NY police officers to subdue one person, yet NY limits citizens to 7?
“the only way you’ll be able to defend yourself with it is to use that sumbitch as a hammer!”
From what I’ve heard hammers kill more people than guns, just sayin.
I purchased Kimbers SPCHD in Nov 12, had very bad issues with FTF and failure to return to battery right from the start. Put 250 rounds of ball ammo through it, cleaned it, put another 250 rounds through it. Same issues as before I tried Wilison combat clips and purchased wolfs recoil spring and shot another 100 rounds through this weapon. I called Kimber explained everything I did, they asked me to put there spring back in and send it back. That’s was” FOUR “months ago…that’s right 4 months. I have repeatly called every two weeks and I keept getting the same answer it’s in back being looked at. Last week I asked to talk to a manager, he told me that they tried to fix it but at no fault of mine (no joke, I had the weapon three weeks) that the frame was bad (how does a custom gun leave the factory with a warped frame???)and they would have to make another one and he couldn’t give me a date when that would be. I explained that for 1500 I expected better from Kimber, especialy when the gun has custom shop in the side of it. Well just got a new update thus week, they say they have moved me to the front of the line and I SHOULD have it in 2 more weeks. I will have to do another background check because it’s going to have a new serial number…that I’ll have to pay for. But he assured me they would put 8 clips through it to make sure it works fine (right)and there going to send me 4 of there awesome clips to make up for the delay in getting me back my weapon. Everytime I called they acted like they were doing me a favor by fixing there mistake in the first place. Some folks may get lucky with out of the box operation, and I understand a break in period, but I don’t understand how you let a weapon out of you warehouse that can’t even make it through one full clip without a FTF or won’t even return to battery that has Kimber Custom Shop on the side. Bad business all the way around, so good job Kimber…for representing American production lines. Oh and yes it will be for sale when I do get it back.
Used to work wityh cops all the time. Knew a lot of them. Every one I knew carried a “throw away”, a gun, usually cheap, to “throw down” if they shoot an unarmed “perp”
Or, you know, stop doing with SWAT teams what used to be done with strongly worded letters.
The Constitution does NOT allow Congress to be in the business of making laws. Franken-stein needs to reread what her job is supposed to be. The children at Sandyhook WERE NOT dismembered. This lying bitch has been in this job way to long.
Exactly. While the question of aimed and long-distance fire can be debated endlessly with regard to soldiers, for private citizens defending themselves or other innocents, area fire will rarely be justified.
I’m loving that guy. Cruz for President! That old witch is an idiot. “She’s reasonably well educated”? Really? There’s a BIG difference between being intelligent and smart. I would argue that she’s neither, but certainly not smart.