Where’s the NY Ammo Ban?

 Ammo! (courtesy parrotheadjeff.com)

The following is republished from angrywhitedude.com with permission.

Gun stores are finally replenishing their inventories. Mark Kelly and other anti-gun libs can finally scratch their AR itch. Ammo? That’s another story. Bullets are harder to find than Keely Hazell at a New Jersey rest stop. Walmart, where America buys bullets, has imposed a three-box limit on ammo—if you can find a box. Which you cannot. Most is purchased before it hits the shelves . . .

One culprit for ammo scarcity: the unprecedented four-year firearms buying spree. If you’ve purchased an AR in .223, 5.56, or .308, or a .38, .357, .40, .45 caliber recently, the only way you’ll be able to defend yourself with it is to use that sumbitch as a hammer! Just sayin’.

The federal government has been buying ammo like George Soros buys Democrats. Yes, that would be the same federal government that seeks to impose gun control tyranny on American citizens by scaling back or the total destruction of the Second Amendment. Speaking of which . . .

To protest the rash of anti-gun state legislation since the Sandy Hook spree killing, numerous gun manufacturers have stopped selling to state and local police agencies in states where their products are unlawful for regular citizens. At last count, AWD (that’s me) found 118 companies that have quit selling to government.

None of which include the big boys: Smith & Wesson, Colt and Glock, for example. There’s talk of a consumer boycott of manufacturers who don’t join the Firearms Equality Movement. Meanwhile, where the hell are the ammunition manufacturers in this ban?

Ammunition manufacturers should have launched an ammo equality movement back when New Jersey banned hollow point (a.k.a., “cop killer”) ammo outside the home. But now’s the time for them to step up. If cops have the same trouble getting ammo as the rest of us, they will take notice. And on up the food chain.

AWD calls on every ammunition manufacturer to refuse to enter into another contract with any federal or state government entity except for those that supply the US military. No more bullets for Big Sis at DHS. No more ammo for the IRS. No more for the Weather and Oceanographic people! If they run through all the billions of rounds they’ve purchased before ammo can be found and affordably priced, let them learn archery!

We gun owners must pressure any ammunition manufacturer holding contracts with the federal government to make this their last. We’ll take up the slack! Fulfill the contract and then start filling the stockpiles of American citizens. It’s win – win. And if an ammo maker doesn’t ban sales to states trampling on the Second Amendment, we’ll boycot them! Won’t we? Guys?


  1. avatar Nine says:

    I’ve had dreams of finding boxes of ammo just scattered around my home, it’s like playing Fallout for real.

    But it’s true, we need to put the squeeze on the Anti-gun states, and the Manu’s that don’t.

    1. avatar TacticalDad says:

      After the SHTF you can find me at Tenpenny Tower.

      1. avatar Sixpack70 says:

        Clean out the ghouls first.

        1. avatar Nate says:

          Nah, let em move in and slaughter the residents!

        2. avatar Derek says:

          You monsters lol. Am I the only one who’s ever played that game and didn’t nuke Megaton?

  2. avatar niceguns says:

    Sounds like a business opportunity. Any one want to make and sell bullets?

    1. avatar Buster says:

      It really is a business opportunity.
      The question is, can an entity tool up and be self-contained (i.e., make/provide it’s own components; primers, powder, brass and bullets in house) and not have to depend on 2nd and 3rd party vendors for said components.
      Lot’s of other factors as well…cost of property, tax rates, utilities, labor rates, insurance, marketing/advertising expenses, bureaucratic bull$hit expenses, etc., etc., etc.
      Still worth considering based on 85,000,000+ firearm owners just in this country…,,,any investors out there?????

      1. avatar Jim Barrett says:

        Not to mention liability insurance for those times when you make your ammo wrong it is maims or injures someone. It happens unfortunately.

      2. avatar Mark says:

        The startup costs are what’s stopped me…

        1. avatar JAS says:

          A corporation set up with gun owners as stockholders (seed money) that makes prime ammo by manufacturing all the components and sells only to civilians. LETS DO IT!

    2. avatar sifu kajukenbo says:

      Yes indeed I would like to mfg ammo that is why I am online right now .gathering info. Thanks

  3. I was thinking the same exact thing last week. The Ammo makers need to get on our side and limit ammo to govt agencies.

    1. avatar ready,fire,aim says:

      The Ammo makers need to get on our side and limit ammo to govt agencies

      sorry it’s the law of the land….big brother gets 1st dibs…..citizens 2nd’s the ammo companies can not restrict sales to the government

      1. avatar NEIOWA says:

        What law is that?

    2. avatar AlphaGeek says:

      Ain’t gonna happen. ATK practically IS the government, they just happen to be a private entity that runs the factories, engineering, etc to supply Fedzilla.


      Scroll down the page to see just how much of the ammo industry is owned by ATK. Which, as mentioned, is basically a manufacturing arm for the US federal government, and other similar-sized entities abroad.

      1. avatar Dyspeptic says:

        Exactly. Crony Capitalism in action. Most major ammo makers in this country depend on sales to military and LEO Overlords. They will throw us under the bus to keep those fat cost plus gubmint contracts any day. We live in an ominously different America now, one that is dominated by government-private partnership. The free market only exists on a small scale now at the local level. Truly free enterprise nowadays is like the proto mammals who scurried about in the age of dinosaurs, trying not to get squashed by a lumbering Too Big To Fail Brontosaurus.

        1. avatar AlphaGeek says:

          Throwing us under the bus implies that they care enough to make a decision either way.

          I personally think it’s more that they’re pretending not to hear our cries for help while the bus runs us over (repeatedly) because they’re too busy building more buses.

  4. avatar Jeff the Griz says:

    speaking of ammo, Walmart in Mid MI had 500 round boxes of tulammo in .223, I dont shoot the steel cased stuff throuh my AR but I wish they had 9mm and .40. I know I could have bought a case and sold it for triple but I’m not a douch bag like the three guys that bought them ahead of me one of the three asked the first guy “what type of gun shoots this stuff?” they only had 2 cases left after that…

    1. avatar Mashashin says:

      You should have bought them and then traded them with some one for what you use that’s why I just bought some 308 I don’t have a gun to run it in bought someone will trade me for what I need I’m sure

  5. avatar IndyEric says:

    Not going to happen. 1.5 Billion rounds of .40SW JHP is very lucrative.

    1. avatar Tama Paine says:

      Exactly correct.

      That “free market uber alles” snake can really bite regular folks on the azz, can’t it?

      1. avatar mofo says:

        Hardly. When this is all over there will be such a glut of ammo on the market people will be giving ammo away. It will take some time, however.

        1. avatar Nate says:

          I want to have that problem. Right now I have 200 rounds of 9mm, and plan on shooting 100 this weekend and 100 the next weekend. I probably won’t be able to find more very easily.

        2. avatar Sakiri says:


          Government right now has enough ammo to double tap every single American in the country, including themselves.

          Wouldn’t surprise me if they’re buying and hoarding just to keep us from having it. Sorta like the food and supplies regulation of Ingsoc.

  6. avatar Billy Wardlaw says:

    Too little too late, even if you could get them to join a boycott.

  7. avatar Shenandoah says:

    Haven’t seen the financials but it’s not a stretch to infer that private sector sales would have heck of a lot better profit margins than bulk, lowest-bidder-takes-all gov’t contracts. But then again, any big ammo manufacturer that says FU to the gov’t gets a nice big bullseye painted on its back by the DOJ.

  8. avatar JPD says:

    It is all about timing. Today, working in Oklahoma, random stop at WM. Bought 3 boxes of 9MM. 40 and 45 on the shelf too.

    I pick up 6 to 9 boxes weekly at my local WM. Check the website to see what came in, drop by and pick it up. 22lr, 223 and 9MM.

  9. avatar Taco Ninja says:

    Amen! I will NOT buy ammo or firearms that are not part of the Firearm Equality Movement.

    1. avatar dededede says:

      You are a FEMinist? Me too!

  10. avatar AlphaGeek says:

    Just ran the math last night and figured out that the economics are massively in my favor on my almost-completed 5.45×39 AR. Basically, I can either shoot steel-jacketed 7N6 milsurp (see: wood crates in pic above) at steel-friendly ranges for 20c/round, or I can pull and replace the Russian bullets with 53gr Hornady HPBT pills (swaged from 0.224 down to 0.221 diameter) for a total cost of 38c/round.

    Compares rather favorably to the 80c-100c/round that 5.56 is going for, that’s for damn sure. And I don’t even have to scramble around looking for powder or primers.

    I’m using Hornady bullets because they did the same thing with a production run of 5.45×39 a while back, and if I want to do any of the training courses that insist on “factory loaded” ammo I’ll just tell them I bought a bunch of the Hornady 5.45…

    1. avatar matt says:

      The cost of a Corbin swaging press and dies set starts at about $2k last time I checked. Seems rather expensive unless you plan on doing a ton of bullets. And even then, why swag a existing round instead of making your own? Or were you just thinking about passing them thru something like a Saeco Lubri-sizier? If so, are you sure it isnt just going to strip the jacket?

      1. avatar AlphaGeek says:

        Sorry, I should have said “resizing”, not swaging. I’ve read so many posts misusing “swaging” that it’s corrupted my vocabulary.

        For your typical reloader, Lee makes a .221 “lube and size” die (~$40) which fits all common reloading presses. Because one of my other hobbies is my home machine shop, though, I’m having fun perfecting my own resizing tooling from 7/8-14 threaded steel round stock. 🙂

        There are definitely bullets which do well being squeezed from .224 down to .221, and others which fail in interesting ways. Fortunately there’s lots of knowledge about successes and failures making 5.45 bullets that’s freely shared on the reloading forums so I don’t have to reinvent the wheel.

        Short version: high-quality .224 bullets with good copper jackets (e.g. Hornady) resize beautifully down to .221. Cheaper bullets (which tend to have a thin jacket) and, counterintuitively, .222 bullets generally don’t survive resizing. Apparently .222 pills tend to split their jackets very easily and are quite difficult to resize.

        I’m going to end up investing about $50 for materials and a new 0.221 chucking reamer to make several die-and-ram setups to fit a “1-ton” (5.5 inch opening) arbor press. At which point I can put my kids to work resizing bullets to earn range time. 🙂

  11. avatar Mike in CA says:

    Honestly there is just too much demand right now. There is no way we could convince enough people to boycott any manufacturer that sells to anti-gun government agencies because there is no way people would let that ammo sit on the shelf when nothing else is available.

  12. avatar Taurus609 says:

    Two things. First, was at my LGS last week and of course ammo (or the lack of) was the topic, and this a$$hat who I would assume was a regular there talked about his sale on Gunbroker (I think), and he mentioned he didn’t have any hits yet on his 22LR, and then he mentioned he had 60,000 rounds! Now this wasn’t a Bill O’Reilly miscommunication, he was serious, really 60,000 rounds of 22LR, sorry I know it’s all about “capitalism” and all, but IMHO he’s an a$$hole!

    And Second, I was at our local Cabela’s today (Hazelwood, MO) and they had at least 10 ARs for sale. Bushmasters, Sigs and some other brands I couldn’t identify. Even though I’m not in the market, it was good to see them in stock, and the prices were pretty close to what they were pre Sandy Hook!

    1. avatar int19h says:

      Why is someone an asshole for stockpiling 60k rounds of .22LR, especially if they did it before the panic?

      1. avatar raw_toe says:

        I don’t have a problem with some guy who stockpiled 60k rounds before or even right after the panic. What I have a problem with is the guys that have 60k and are still camping the stores for more.

        I get the feeling talking to SOME of these guys that it’s not really about having the ammo, it’s about other people NOT getting it. Just a big game to them. I got 60,050 rounds now! I win!

  13. avatar Ken says:

    Not all cops are buried under mountains of ammo. We just made an order to 100k rounds of 9mm FMJ for use in academy classes. We were told six to nine months. Maybe. And this is from a major LE distributor under state contract, which may have something to do with it. Contract prices are less than retail by about 15%. Many of the agencies that are serviced by the academy are in the same boat. Yeah, they can order it for brother-in-law prices. Ordering it and getting it timely are two different things. Contract doesn’t specify how fast they make delivery. We’ve got ammo on hand to take care of the next 2 classes, barely. It takes nearly 1000 rounds per recruit. Current class has 50 recruits. You do the math. That’s a pile of ammo. We have 4 classes scheduled for this year. We may be using slingshots for the last 2. Oh yeah. We’re a gun-friendly state (FL).

  14. avatar Larry2 says:

    I’ve already sworn off buying another Glock and I love their guns. My go to purchase list are those manufacturers/retailers that supported the citizen, not sided with the government. F-them. I won’t spend another cent on them. Lots of my friends are talking the same way. Hear that Glock? We are coming after you. Maybe you will pay attention when you sales start dropping. BTW, I just dropped some serious money on LaRue and Bravo Company. Two great patriotic companies. Now if I could just buy some more Magpul products.

  15. avatar Jason says:

    Sounds good in theory, however you fail to take into account Lake City, McAlester Army Ammunition Plant, and the other federally owned ammunition manufacturing facilities. The thing about these facilities is that while the government may contract them out for operation, at the end of the day they are government owned. The government would not feel a civilian ammo boycott. They would simply stop their dual purpose facilities (civilian and government) from selling to civilians to take up the slack.

  16. avatar James1000 says:

    This just in…the Government has purchased 10.2 million BBs. We’re screwed.

  17. avatar colby says:

    Ever grateful that I own something in .17hmr. I have yet to find any place even close to being sold out of that.

    1. avatar Brandon says:

      Lucky! Every time I’ve looked for 17HMR lately it’s the same as everything else – bare shelves.

  18. avatar mike123 says:

    The employees at my local walmart is not putting the ammo out. The employees are taking it and then buying it at the end of their shift. They turn around and sell it to a local gun store. Win for the employees, win for the gun store, loss for us.

    1. avatar Human Being says:

      Inform management and ask their opinion of this particular employee-behavior.

    2. avatar rosignol says:

      Not the one in my neighborhood. Got two boxes of .45 ACP two days ago.

      Tell the manager.

  19. avatar Human Being says:

    C’mon, guys. You cannot tell me you have completely run out of Levantine and Scandinavian girls to boost.

    If you’re feeling in a rut, can I suggest looking into Persian models for a while? (You don’t need a gaze as piercing as “Claudia Lynx” to find them.)

    1. avatar إبليس says:

      Most of the shebrews he posts are very assimilated looking. Bring on the Japanese next I say! Maybe a Maria Ozawa reference?

  20. avatar matt says:

    Why exempt the military? They’re grabbed guns from American citizens countless times. In addition no other organization has deliberately killed more American civilians than the US military. As much as they love to say they’re protecting our freedoms, few organizations have done more to undermine and violate our freedoms than the military.

    1. avatar NEIOWA says:

      Do tell? Care to provide footnotes? Leave on the AF and their silly model airplanes.

      1. avatar LTC F says:

        Well in 1864 Sherman did do a little urban renewal in Atlanta, though technically he didn’t kill or disarm any US citizens as Atlanta was in the CSA then.

    2. avatar Yellow Devil says:

      In my five years Army active duty and current 4 years in the Army Reserves, I have never confiscated a firearm from, nor killed a U.S. citizen. I think you have been on Infowars or the Daily Worker a little too much.

  21. avatar Aharon says:

    “the only way you’ll be able to defend yourself with it is to use that sumbitch as a hammer!”

    From what I’ve heard hammers kill more people than guns, just sayin.

    1. avatar Nate says:

      You believe that?!

      1. avatar Taurus609 says:

        Actually, it’s hammers kill more people than ALL rifles combined (including ARs)! There, fixed it for you!

  22. avatar JohnnyNRA says:

    It funny how it seem that LE ammo is the only stuff I can buy. Maybe someone isn’t doing their end of the deal?

  23. avatar JohnnyNRA says:

    200 round LOT – 5.56 NATO Hornady 62 grain Bonded Soft Point Barrier TAP 8125N
    5.56 mm Federal 62 grain Bonded Softpoint FBI Equivalent Load XM556SBCT3
    200 rd case – 223 Winchester Ranger 64 grain Soft Point Ammo RA223R2

  24. avatar JohnnyNRA says:

    50 rd box – 40 Cal Speer Gold Dot 180gr LE Hollow Point ammo

  25. avatar JohnnyNRA says:


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  26. avatar Steve says:

    Excellent idea!!!!!!!!

  27. avatar DaveL says:

    If they run through all the billions of rounds they’ve purchased before ammo can be found and affordably priced, let them learn archery!

    Or, you know, stop doing with SWAT teams what used to be done with strongly worded letters.

  28. avatar Janizary says:

    Hey, that’s a picture from New Frontier Armory in Las Vegas 😀

  29. avatar leebeef says:

    All guns will become obsolete! “Little Boy” is coming! Fat Boy is right behind too! As Iran works to develop an atomic weapon–assault weapons and all guns are obsolete because everything will be vaporized in an atomic war. I believe the O’Bama genda will let Israel use a first strike against Iran. The purpose of this is to make it look like Israel started the war and create a new holocaust! Israel of course will be blamed as usual for defending itself while the US just wipes it’s hands and walks away clean. What people should be thinking about is moving out of US which looks like a target for Iran. It’s really about survival not guns! All those millions of rounds the U.S. Government bought is just a smoke screen fromthe real issues. Where are shelters to protect U.S. citizens? I am sure O’Bama has a wonderful shelter and lots of protection! We citizens have nothing. Arwe they attempting to “cull the ctizens”? Look at all the money they will save! No need to send out social security checks, entitlements, compensation benefits, railroad retirement benefits for black lung. A dead person does not need a benefit check does he?

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