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New From Remington: R51 9mm Pistol

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We weren’t in on the big R51 announcement from Remington for some reason. Go figure. It’s too bad, too, because Remmy’s new 7+1 single stack looks like an awfully compelling carry gun. Especially with an MSRP of only $389. In fact, it’s pretty much what you’d hope the new GLOCK 42 (if there really is such a thing) will be. We’ll get our hands on one somehow. Don’t you worry . . .

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  1. The only XD series that field strips w/o a trigger pull is the XDM. It has extra mechanics to accomplish this that can break.

    The M&P has that goofy little lever that is a pain in the butt.

    Because of the way the sear and striker interface on a striker pistol, you have to decock it to get the slide off. Right now that means pull the trigger or use some kind of a decocker mechanism.

    I have yet to see an elegant design for this – maybe the Walther 99 has one that is slick?

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  2. I can easily see myself adding one of those to the collection. Good looks (to me, anyway). Minimal manual controls. Unique locking mechanism. The slide section south of the ejection port seems a little thin, but if the gun runs (as recent reports seem to indicate), then I agree it could be a real CCW winner for Remington.

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  3. It looks like a Phaser from Star Trek. I like the looks and if the quality is good I wouldn’t mind one for carry in heavier clothes. Then use the LCP for shorts and t-shirt carry.

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  4. This looks beautiful. Simple controls, good looks, I want one already! Providing that the internals are as good as the external looks.

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  5. Nice design, indeed. Like the spawn of the PPK and the Makarov, sorta. I’m not a fan of nines, either, but DAY-UMM… lookin’ FINE, Remington!

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  6. The guy can’t seem to get it through his thick skull that “well-regulated” doesn’t mean what he thinks it does. The Supreme Court cleared the meaning of that phrase up a while back, yet this guy didn’t get the memo. I don’t know if he’s desperately holding on to his misunderstanding of that term, or he’s really that obtuse.

    For anyone who’s unaware, the phrase meant “well trained” at the time of the Amendment’s writing. NOT “restricted” – which would be a logical stretch, since only a few words later the Amendment says it SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

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  7. It sure seems like the rear sight needs to be reversed.
    It may look a bit more blended with the design as is but an extra inch of sight radius would help accuracy,

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  8. I’ve been waiting for this pistol all my life. I just didn’t know it.

    Gorgeous. It doesn’t hurt that it looks like its grandaddy Model 51, either. That was a beauty too.

    Can’t wait to buy it in two years after the beta testing, recalls and massive demand are over.

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    • It doesn’t look ANYTHING like a Vektor! I’m looking at ’em side by side. Sorry, nein. The Vektor is damn ugly, although I think the rifle is beautiful; it looks like a dolphin jumping out of the water!

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  9. I don’t trust this administration, but I’m okay with keeping people who have been involuntarily committed to an institution away from guns. Of course, there would need to be a way to remove one’s name in case of false accusations, etc.

    I’m not sure about the first one, however. I’d need to read the original, and see how it is implemented. Again, I don’t trust these guys.

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    • I don’t trust this administration period, this will do nothing to keep guns out of the wrong hands, evil, crazy & stupid
      will always find a way.

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  10. Although I have heard this many times, can someone explain to me why driving is a privilege? is walking a privilege? Is riding bicycle a privilege?

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  11. When will just start popping these big mouth traitors like Fitz? We’re already felons, so why not just go for it and get a bunch together, storm the capital and kill ’em all?

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  12. “Quick, our last pivot to the economy wasn’t a successful distraction. Let’s pivot to something else before the public start’s asking about their health plans…. I know, guns are bad, mmm’kay?”

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  13. Involuntary outpatient commitment…

    I think it is disturbing that the administration thinks such people are too dangerous to own a gun, but not so dangerous that they shouldn’t be free to walk the streets to kill people by other means.

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    • This is the most illogical and most dangerous provision of what the executive action will purportedly do. You cannot be “committed” to an institution on an outpatient basis–“committed” to an institution means you cannot leave, and are therefore by definition an inpatient. This is how the term is used in the authorizing statutes. The administration’s proposal would seem to apply that someone ordered to anger management classes on an outpatient basis could be debarred the possession of firearms, without any determination that that person is a danger to himself or others. Having anger management issues is not necessarily the same as being physically violent. We see therefore an attempt to surreptitiously expand the meaning of “metal illness” to increase the number of prohibited persons.

      Personally, I don’t see the need to disbar the possession of arms to persons who are a danger to themselves–attempting suicide is something that should not be illegal. Each should have the freedom of choice on this fundamentally personal issue. [A an aside, it is NOT a crime in California to attempt suicide (although it will get you locked up in a mental ward), but it is in many states.] Now it is different if one presents a risk of harm to others, but again this should be limited to those who have made credible threats of harm to others. (There was a case in California where the shrink failed to report a patient to the police who had made credible threats that he would kill a particular person when he was released–and he did in fact do so. The shrink was held liable to the victim’s family, and there is now a statute specifying the therapist’s duties in such circumstances.)

      I think it is important to recognize that there is no such thing as John Doe–no person who is definitionally “normal.”

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  14. I’m with Ralph. I’ve had my fill of running Beta. Let it run through it’s paces with the trailblazers and I’ll sit back and watch and learn. Especially with a ‘new’ (old, revised) design such as this, especially what appears to be a blowback 9, and especially from Remington

    It looks cool, but seems a bit on the heavy side for a single stack 9, which would only be a dedicated CCW for me. Love the grip safety… but again, I’ll see how it does in Beta and who knows, maybe it’ll be another addition some day…

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  15. 1) see above comment
    2) what would be grounds for submission to ncis
    3) does the potus have legal authority to interpret a law? Wouldn’t that be a job for the scotus or the a.g. or congress? Put another way does Obama have legal authority to make these exceptions?

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  16. A well regulated militia would be well trained troops under the control of the States. We no longer have a well regulated militia; which was once the duty of the National Guard. Though States still have National Guard elements attached to each State; they are no longer regulated by the State. The National Guard is now controlled by the Federal Government and the States. If a State wished to use its well regulated militia to restrict federal intrusion into the State, the federal government would immediately take command of the National Guard element from the state to prevent the State’s action. For this reason the states should demand all federal control of the National Guard be returned to the States. This will not happen as the States have sold out their National Guard for the equipment supplied by the federal government, which was also purchased by tax money taken from the states.

    As far as “…the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”, this means just what it says. This should be obvious to the most casual observer. In my humble opinion, where we went wrong in this country was relying too much on lawyers on SCOTUS. What we really need is to get well educated but not necessarily lawyers on SCOTUS. The Constitution does NOT require SCOTUS be filled with only lawyers, and originally it was not! Yes I know very radical thinking but look back at history. Common sense used to be applied but no longer. Again, this is only my opinion.

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  17. Thanks for the insight Robt and reminder of the resource : lots of useful free info at the rabbi ‘s site in addition to books and dvds from three experienced trainers.

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  18. If the rabbi is a Rabbi, does his good work sometimes put him in more risky places than some of us would typically venture? That might be a good reason to be better prepared than the average suburbanite. But at the bottom of it all, who am I to question someone else’s definition of prepared?

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  19. I have carried at least 3 guns before, esp when it is my turn on security at church (our pastor has received death threats). The fun is wearing a tailored suit and making sure no one can tell. . . . 🙂

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  20. Can the HIPPA law be edited w/o congress? If so lots of things could be changed across the whole spectrum of Government, for example HTSA could say its too hazardous to transport firearms in private vehicles, no weapons allowed on any federal property, shutting down half of the western states. No transport of firearms on highways funded by federal dollars.

    And obviously Medical information is now govt property. say lets send x in for a psych eval, to our pet board of examiners who will determine he is dangerous…

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    • Yeah, I imagine if that were video the smile was actually the guy talking out of the corner of his mouth “please swing the muzzle away from my belly”.

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  21. The problem here is the way they are doing this. Executive Order – that’s just dandy and par for the course. The truth is that they just don’t have anywhere near the votes in congress. So, the admin is playing all mighty ruler, nothing less.

    Mental incapacity, in terms of potentially being able to hurt oneself or others should be left to the professionals in that field, not to the otherwise impotent politicians that have to exercise executive actions to impose their will upon a disagreeable majority of the population.

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  22. You’re not crazy for carrying only one gun, nor for carrying more than one, the only people who are crazy are the people who live in places where neither are options.

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  23. This seems like a great way to make sure that gun owners, or people who might someday want to be gun owners, will never have anything to do with mental health treatment, or even discuss mental health issues with their physician.

    So, while – if it works perfectly – it will take guns out of the hands of law-abiding mentally ill people, it will also reduce (or eliminate) the chances that people with treatable mental illness will seek treatment which would help them. And some of those people will be gun owners, and they won’t be detected – or medicated – until they hurt themselves, or others.

    Most of those will probably be people who harm only themselves; I don’t know how many unnecessary suicides it takes to make up for a Sandy Hook. But we’ll have a few more Sandy Hooks, too, for good measure.

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  24. Nice write up, I have always wondered what the differences of these two rounds were and I can now agree that the .300 AAC Blackout definitely has a role to play in hog hunting and CQB. Other than that 7.62×51 for anything passed 250 yards. I like the 5.56×45 because its accurate and cheap and that’s it.

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  25. And without a doubt, they’ll all be asking “how could this happen?” when the state deems their registered firearms “no longer acceptable ” Ala California or Canada.

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  26. “Put another way does Obama have legal authority to make these exceptions?”

    No, but what is to stop him. It is not like he has never overstepped the Constitution before and I’m sure he will again

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  27. The difference between the Zimmerman case and this one is that a) there was a video and b) the guy with the gun wasn’t chasing the other guy around the parking lot for 10 minutes before the attack.

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  28. Presidential regulation instead of Constitutional government legislation = dictatorship. The more he can get away with in the next two years the more he can pass on to his replacement. He inherited the seeds of dictatorship from his predecessor, brought on by abusing and misusing an atrocity committed against the American People.

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  29. “Would you reply and tell me exactly what the column said that you believe to be “anti-Second Amendment?” I am completely sincere in this request. I ask, because nobody has yet been able to show me anything in that column that can even remotely be construed as “anti-Second Amendment.” I will hold anything you say as totally confidential.”

    SERIOUSLY? F*ck that guy. If he can’t even SEE how the RKBA crowd views his article than he’s a willfully ignorant, pompous, narcissistic a$s hole. He’s just plugging his ears and saying “nah nah nah nah nah!”

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  30. I’ll be charitable and assume he uses “freedom of speech” to mean the value of speech, rather than the 1st Amendment (which of course does not apply here). I tend to agree that a discourse and conversation is good. But a lot of the subscribers of the publication do not agree, so… I’m sure he can comment here at TTAG just like everyone else.

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  31. This is a win all the way around. I’m off to relabel all of my cleaners/lubricants/protectants. Is protectants a word?

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  32. So, did I miss the how/where are you carrying your guns? Are they concealed or OC’d on a daily basis? . If CC’ing the logistics of hauling that much hardware seems rather impractical to conceal effectively. So how?

    I’m fond of the notion of 2 gun carry, but not as a backup, rather a “hold out” as it were. I’m just struggling with the where do I put it all. Where do you put it all?

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  33. If liberalism is a disease and survival of a Holocaust manufactures conservativism, then why do so many Jews have the disease? Just askin’.

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  34. HOLY FLIPPIN’ CRAP!!! Even Illinois is less restrictive. My FOID is good for the purchase of handguns, long, guns and ammo, none of which require registration (outside of Chicago). Hell, once I move out of Aurora, I won’t even be bound by an AWB.

    I guess that’s a sign of how bad a state is for gun rights. When a guy from the Chicago burbs says “sorry man, you got it tough.”

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  35. “You do NOT want to hide guns around the house.”

    No, YOU do not want to. Some of us not only want to, but do, and have, and will continue to do so. Do us the courtesy of assuming we are adults, with reasons. Less projecting, more truthing.

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  36. Wait…that pic was from the last time he heroically signed orders for the kids, isn’t it? I think the boss man’s still on vacation. The whole executive order probably came down tagged “sent from my android device.”

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  37. Kahr MK 9. Why all metal? Easily controlled in rapid fire with numb hands. Then after its empty it makes a nice brass knuckle. Keep the shooting grip and shoot your jab.

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  38. Aw, the joys of meth. Approach a man armed with a rifle and threaten to kill him over scrap metal. Get shot in the junk yard as a result. You cannot make stuff this good up. Dumbass white boys.

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  39. Uhhh no. I’m pretty sure the majority did NOT ask for a 380…. a new 22LR pistol would’ve at least made somewhat more sense.

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  40. A deputy dead because of the word of one informant. There needs to be a higher standard for obtaining a warrent. And a no knock warrent should only be issued in truly extreme circumstances.

    I’d rather see a 100 trailer trash drug dealers, who ain’t going to do nothing but cost the taxpayers more money, flush what little evidence they have than to see people gunned down over this truly minor shite.

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  41. One more – traditionally known as “The Rifleman’s Song”

    Why come ye hither, Redcoats, your mind what madness fills?
    In our valleys there is danger, and there’s danger on our hills.
    Oh, hear ye not the singing of the bugle wild and free?
    And soon you’ll know the ringing of the rifle from the tree.

    CHORUS:
    Oh, the rifle, oh, the rifle
    In our hands will prove no trifle.

    Ye ride a goodly steed, ye may know another master;
    Ye forward came with speed, but you’ll learn to back much faster.
    Then you’ll meet our Mountain Boys and their leader Johnny Stark,
    Lads who make but little noise, but who always hit the mark.
    Tell he who stays at home, or cross the briny waters
    That thither ye must come like bullocks to the slaughter.
    If we the work must do, why, the sooner ’tis begun,
    If flint and trigger hold but true, the sooner ’twill be done.

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  42. Love the passionate Glock vs. 1911 debate—especially since it suggests, quite unintentionally, that the greatest EDC gun ever invented is still a vintage S&W Model 60. Combined with good manners and intelligent lifestyle choices, those 5 rounds will be 5 more than you’ll ever need in this lifetime…and you won’t get scoliosis lugging them around all day long.

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  43. This is why the government should not be given the power to license the right to keep and bear arms. It gives another reason to harass innocent and peaceable people.

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  44. Most of the really aggressive anti-gun people (some I’ve known, most I’ve only heard second-hand reports about) are, surprise, very aggressive people. They feel cheated by the presence of guns, feel artificially forced to be more polite, circumspect, until they know there are no guns in the room that aren’t theirs. This goes in spades for Rahm Emmanuel and Michael Blumberg, and there isn’t a person on earth who can honestly argue otherwise.

    As for the mass of anti-gun left-liberal hangers-on, the columnists, TV talking heads, ‘non-profit’ profiteers, they’re just running with a good thing, pleasing their hire-ups, and making the cities safe for mobs of loud mouthed bullies, be they union heads, politicos, or the impossible-to-fire professors who got tenure based on their English Lit or Sociology papers, after which they use their tenure as a shield for life-style advocacy (for theirs, against yours), keeping their actual academic work tamely and trivially within PC-in-their-specialty boundaries. I’d like if Bloomberg Financial News and Chicago city employees could gain the same right to speak out without retaliation, the one tenured faculty have. But they don’t have it, and they will absolutely be punished financially if they speak out against the boss’ key political values.

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  45. I’d say we all would rather fill our hands with a full sized or near to full sized pistol (There are still those however that perfer the dinosaurs of revolvers) but let us all bring into the mindset that if…and god forbid this ever happens to anyone…if the chips get down and one is forced to point a pistol at another…and forced to shoot…I do not believe that you or I would even think about recoil nor feel any discomfort at that point.I’ve shot a few powerhouse rifles (And pistols too!)that you’d almost despise to shoot at the range due to heavy recoil. Shoot at a elk or deer? The recoil is mute and not even noticed. Even muzzle blast is not noticeabe at that point. And I’ve taken a fair amount of deer/antelope/elk/etc using 243’s to 300 Winmags. Many with a 270’s and 30-06 ass kickers on the bench! Always figured that if a 300 wouldn’t kill a large animal…I didn’t need to try.

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  46. They try … They try.

    How about a law that says you can’t introduce a substantially identical bill for three or four years?

    Or a constitutional amendment that mandates a sunset provision for all laws other than those set down in the constitution? That way only the worthwhile ones will get renewed, and it provides a natural cap on the number of laws. (Oh, yeah, ban amendments on bills, also, or at least those that have no substantial relevance.)

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  47. At the Battle of Plattsburgh brave American sailors and soldiers ended the British invasion of the northern states.

    Eh? Where on earth did you get that idea? They only ended the British invasion of New York. Meanwhile, a bit further over, the British invaded and occupied about half of Maine to make a buffer, and stayed there pretty much until hostilities ceased.

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  48. Does it irk anyone else that he never once mentions the NRA, the Second Amendment or fighting to protect our rights?

    Is it because his vast (huge enough to create a real impact on gun rights activism) audience seems to be mostly 15 year old call of duty experts.

    Did I miss something?

    I just think with such a big audience, and what seems to be a lot of younger people watching, he might drop that phony accent for a second and mention the constant political war we fight over gun rights. Maybe mention a few ways to get involved, a link to the NRA or related website etc..

    Just a suggestion. I don’t begrudge him a single viewer, I just think that kind of platform is priceless.

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