First it was the Missouri Department of Revenue providing data on the state’s concealed carriers to the Department of Homeland Security. Now, after a full rectal probe by members of the Missouri Legislature’s appropriations committee, someone from Highway Patrol who wears a funny hat — OK, they all do — has finally admitted that they, too, have sent lists of CCW holders to the feds. Twice. Only this time the data went to the Social Security Administration. Wait, isn’t that illegal in The Show Me State? Gosh, illegal is such a black-and-white word . . .
But Social Security? Seriously? From columbiatribune.com:
In November 2011 and again in January, (Col. Ronald K.) Replogle said, an agent of the Social Security Administration Office of Inspector General received discs with the data. Each time, the agent was unable to read the encryption format and destroyed the discs, Replogle said.
“They said no names were retrieved,” Replogle told the committee this morning. “They do not have those names. They did not disseminate that information, and all that information has been destroyed. We have asked for that documentation of what has happened.”
The data was turned over because the Office of Inspector General is a law enforcement agency, Replogle said. It was done by a mid-level supervisor at the patrol. Replogle said he was not informed of the transfer until four weeks ago.
Oh, well. As long as it’s going to a federal law enforcement agency, I guess that’s OK. Still, why would a federal agency want to know who’s packing heat?
The intention was to cross-check the names on the concealed carry list with the agency’s list of those with disabilities attributed to mental illness to find possible evidence of fraud in the system.
I feel much better now. Wonder if the plan was to cut off disability checks, yank carry licenses or both. Maybe this is some of that “under the radar” stuff Barack was talking about a couple of years back.
Still, there’s that sticky part about the whole thing being in violation of Missouri law.
The frustration level rose again when Andrea Spillars, deputy director of the Department of Public Safety, arrived to explain why she thought what the patrol did was legal and could be done again for federal law enforcement officials.
“Under state statutes the legislature passed, it is a lawful, permissible disclosure,” she said.
Ya know, if Missouri’s gun-toters didn’t know any better, they’d be forgiven for thinking that someone in Washington’s trying to compile a list of the concealed carriers in their state. And if Missouri’s supplied a list of their 185,000 carriers, how many of the other fifty-six states have done the same?
I just hope someone’s brought Governor Jay Nixon up to speed on l’affair de CCW.
“This Department of Revenue and this state of Missouri is not collecting a bunch of un-useful data to send to some sort of magical database someplace to mess with people – it’s not happening, okay?” Nixon said. “They’re just not doing it, I mean, you know that and I know that.”
Being one of those with a Missouri license to carry — and presumably also now an entry on the feds’ various lists, thanks to our diligent, dedicated public servants in Jefferson City — I’d be happy to be one of the first to lend my name to the class action suit that’s sure to be filed against Col. Replogle and Governor Nixon. Besides, there’s nothing I like much more than dealing with lawyers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJdCfle5HmE&feature=player_embedded
TO: All
RE: Fire, Try, Convict….
….and send these miserable bastards to prison.
They’ll enjoy the ‘exercise’ they get there with the people they put there.
Regards,
Chuck(le)
[The Truth will out…..]
And also find out how they make us feel!
And yet gun owners and CCW holders are called paranoid about new legislation. The laws only apply to the little person/citizen, not to Politicians, Journalists or Celebrities….or maybe I am being paranoid….if so, please, please don’t notify DHS, I do not want to be put on any lists.
Was thinking about moving to Missouri from Illinois. Guess I will take that option off my plate now.
Bet these POS are on the street again in less than a month. Maybe even a week.
Almost worst is the fact that they’ve been trying to cover all this up. Some people need to lose their jobs, and that’s being generous.
How can we determine if this is a widespread practice or just limited to MO?
Sounds like a good argument for constitutional carry.
Just to add to the discussion, in the early 1960’s Charlton Heston was pro-gun control but was intellectually honest enough, not to mention man enough, to see the error of his ways and to advocate and be a champion for liberty.
With the deepest respect to everyone, penguins will fly out of my dog’s ass before anyone will be arrested let alone convicted of reducing us to societal red haired stepchildren. Holder is still AG and if you forgot, he refused to even investigate the New Black Panther Party for voter intimidation in Philadelphia Pa. (that was caught on video) or that he also facilitated Fast and Furious, which resulted in deaths of OUR guys and involved class 3 weapons supposedly controlled by the NFA . This in-Justice department will only persecute people who have a legal weapon.
So, when are people going to jail over this? This is ludicrous.
That’s strange, a outfit just as small down the road, White Oak, is still only at 4-6 months, max of 10-12. Maybe they should of stopped taking orders months ago as most of those folks on that list will just move onto a different brand available much sooner.
Does Lewis have any legit competition wins, and history at all?
Looks if they weren’t catering to the military and LE market so much civilians wouldn’t be waiting so long.
Plenty of better rifle companies out there.
“Cutting off sales to the mentally ill and criminals will reduce crime and thereby reduce the public’s demand for guns for self-protection.” If he’s ever walking down the street with his sweetheart and a couple of gang thugs start heading his way, he can keep repeating that line to himself. I’m sure it will be very reassuring.
Huh. This makes our current lead time of 9-12 months seem positively reasonable. (sarc, for those with malfunctioning sarcasm detectors)
What part of FOAD does this toad not understand?
Do gun makers really need revenue from criminals and crazies? Yes. That’s what government contracts are for.
Oh, I get it. It’s an interpretive play of the government’s relationship with honest Americans.
So his card gets pulled, his gat gets taken, his name is in the papers. How do they intend to make this right? How long before some bad guy sees his name and address in the paper and steals his gun? Guess the state didn’t think about that…..or maybe the state just doesn’t care…………………
Being an engineer, I ask “is this a theory, or do you have any data to support it that you’ve forgotten to mention?”
I think we all know the answer. Particularly when what data we do have, from the Federal Government no less, is that criminals get their guns on the secondary market.
Granted, Obama is not as sharp as many low information voters think. I get the 57 state joke. Was there another time when he said 56 states?
Ironic, is it not, that the one gun control measure they have any hope for, background checks, is the one that most aligns the Fudds with the Mall Ninjas?
Any law-abiding gun owner in New York faced with the prospect of registering a
n assault weaponrifle will have to do some real soul searching.You can’t UN-register.
I wonder what his source is for the claim that gun sales dropped during the Clinton administration. I’m pretty dubious of that claim.
In any case, crime continued to drop during the Bush administration, and people bought tons of guns. It still dropped during the Obama administration and people are buying them like there’s no tomorrow. Which given the Democrats’ proclivities towards guns, there is reason to suspect there wouldn’t be.
The Yeager fan boys worship the ground he walks on. It’s kind of cute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgKXRIGZcOQ
This is the greatest example of tacticool jumping the shark that I have yet seen.
ZIP .22.
OPERATOR.
…Hahaha
Liberalism is a mental disorder. How nice of this sub-human scumbag to illustrate that for us.
So what Biden? If I could afford the maintenance, I’d buy a Ferrari too. 😀
Wouldn’t a Ferrari be more something along the lines of a custom H&H?
I figured the 870 is more like the F150, good or work or play!
YOU DOG! I hate you :).
Nick,
Thanks for taking these photos, we had a great time and it was awesome meeting you!
Good idea but what are the chances anyone who doesn’t crap on the Constitution will even run for office in a Democrat primary?
hopefully it doesn’t have the old west curved steel butt plate, although a recoil pad would not look right. Can’t wait for the full review and for Chris to send me the gun next to’um, do further eval.
He could try peeing on an attacker, or claiming he has a disease that is contagious. Sneezing would help. The man doesn’t get to claim menstruation unfortunately/
I’m going to need one of these rifles to add to my 500 collection. I’m dying to try out the 600 and 700 grain T-REX ammo in a rifle.