By Jew With a Gun
Just thought I’d give a quick update to the armed intelligentsia in the free(r) states about what’s going on here in Maryland. You’re almost certainly aware of our dear leader Martin O’Malley’s attempts at disarming Marylanders and banning the sale of normal-sized magazines. Not to mention instituting onerous and discriminatory handgun licensing requirements. But I doubt the Armed Intelligentsia are aware that we’re now waiting 40+ days to pick up a “regulated firearms” (i.e., all handguns and ~80% of modern sporting rifles) . . .
You see, Maryland has a delightful little system where, instead of using the NICS check system for background checks as most states do, the Maryland State Police run a more invasive and discriminating background check when you buy those regulated firearms. They then return the results after seven days.
This process was working pretty much as advertised until Sandy Hook, whereupon massive panic buying of anything potentially bannable overwhelmed the system. NICS managed to recover before too long, but the persistent threat of an Old Line State AWB has kept sales volume in Maryland very, very high. Long story short, the state police are simply not keeping up. So, if you want an AR-15 and have the misfortune to live in the land of the crab cake, be prepared to wait 40+ days to pick yours up.
There’s no proof of a conspiracy from the governor’s office about the delays; the officer in charge of the firearms division is a straight shooter and understands the 2A implications. But what people are wondering is why the statues are demanding that FFLs go beyond the law’s requirements.
You see, the law is pretty clear that, after seven days, the FFL can release the firearm, even without receiving approved paperwork from the MSP. Yet the state police have made it clear that no one should actually do it, despite their inability to cope with the amount of background check volume.
The FFLs are terrified to ignore this directive no matter what the law says, and the local 2A political organizations haven’t yet pressed the issue for whatever reason. All of that said, please don’t be afraid to transfer firearms to Marylanders. These wait times won’t affect sellers, and MD residents need to stock up before a potential AWB hits.
Human beings can rationalize anything in the name of “the greater good.” There is no articulable bottom, there is only “too far,” and we’ll only know that when they reach it. We’re not there yet. What happens now may be rude, may be incorrect, may be impolite, but it’s just rhetoric. We’re not “too far” yet.
When the small pen!s jibes got no traction (although they did reveal a strange fascination with the size of guys’ members), they predictably trotted out the dead babies bullsh!t. What do you expect from vicious sc^mbags?
Do not expect them to play nice while they try to turn America into a Third World cesspit. Unless we are demonized and marginalized, they cannot win and they know it. Make no mistake — this is a culture war and ultimately only one camp can survive. It’s them or us.
Hello 911 -yes my neighbor is outside and he is ;Thinking about a gun -please send the police I dont feel safe here -Okay ,Swat is on its way !
This is NOT what I come to TTAG to see – there are plenty of other sites that cover this sort of thing – and this doesn’t help our cause with women, either.
Excellent idea that will be ultimately ignored by the low-information politicians and voters. But if we can save just one brain…
You should have just irritated them a little more so they beat you up and you just got it over with. Now you have them hating you and running around with a vendetta to finish. I think your in a world of it now bub.
How low will they go? We’ll only know when they get there.
I’ve seen this from both sides (a little bit), and while the more extreme gun people sometimes make me cringe, the anti-gun lobby has a hard core of truly unbalanced and nasty people. The financiers like Bloomberg and Soros are one thing, but their soldiers are an entirely different beast. There are some deeply scary people among them. If they have free rein, *everybody* is in trouble.
I really wish we had a national primary election day like we have a national election day. Voting in March is way too early.
The Utah Guard (Army/Air Force) has AF Security, Army MP’s and the 19th Special Forces Group. It looks like the gent did a tour trough all of them. If he is a Weapons NCO then he is a “tabbed” Green Beret, meaning he went trough SF selection and training and is thus a fully qualified Green Beret. Those guys have done quite a few tours too, they were one of the first Groups to go to Afghanistan and many places since.
If magpul doesn’t move like they said, that will be a bigger defeat than the law itself.
Cool spider shirt.
YourGunMan will add 500.00 to this pot making it a 1000.00 reward. Sure people with think about 5 hundred, but the libs will turn in their own mother for a thousand bucks!
God Bless The USA!
I just purchased a GSG 1911 CA model, I love it to death. I installed the CWA gull metal guide rod and spring, Strike Industries Grips and Wilson magazine bumper plates (the stock are plastic and dropping them on the concrete will break them for sure). Anyway, it shots great and it has become my favorite range gun alone with my S&W M&P AR15/22… These days with the cost of ammo and the lack of finding them, I’m able to train and not break the bank… Thanks GSG..
I am often alone on this but I love the ergonomics of the Storm Cx4 and Px4 firearms. If the ARX comes even close to this, I am in for one.
OK. Somebody help me out here. I just watched that commercial for the 3rd time.
here’s what I heard, “blah, blah, blah, blah, GUN CONTROL, blah, blah, blah”
Something about more resources to prosecute gun crimes? WTF. Those resources are and have been there for decades! It’s called local tax dollars, County D.A.’s.
One of the most important aspects of Red Dawn was that the Russians were able to find gun owners based on the registration records. When guns were missing they killed the owners. The remake of the film completely ignored this point.
If I may ask (Nick and others please know I mean no offense), why do some Texans seem to act like they are the best pro gun state? In Tennessee I can OC, carry in bars that are not posted (if I am not drinking), carry on school grounds (if I stay in my vehicle) to drop a student off or pick up. We recently passed new legislation that allows storage in a car in more parking lots and prevents prosecution from property owners. There is more on top of that but still there are states with more pro gun laws than here even. Our major downfall in Tennessee is, “with intent to go armed.” Technically it is illegal to carry a gun and our carry permit is only a defense in court.
Finally, just received a call from my FFL dealer with an approval from March 1st. Can you believe it only took get this 90 DAYS. WTH.
I am an active police captain and am on day 30 of my wait. Yup’ I walked into the gun store armed and have to get in line just like everyone else so don’t feel bad. Strange. I didn’t have a 60+ day wait when I graduated from the academy.
90 days huh? I guess I’ll be waiting another 30 then. I’ll buy another before I get approved for the first.
Waiting since middle of April and looks like I still have a long way to go. Local gun shop told me that the fault was not the MSP, and that they have been working long days to try to process the paperwork. He also told me that the MSP tried hiring some extra help by calling in some retired MSP officers at least until they got caught up. He said O’Malley caught wind of this and squashed it, preferring to make us wait. True or not true, that’s what the man said.
I purchased an M&P 45 on May 20 and was told it would take 11 weeks to pick it up. We are supposed to be able to purchase a regulated firearm every 30 days but a FFL I know told me that I have to wait 21 days from when I pick up the M&P before we can submit the paperwork on a second purchase. Anyone heard of that before? If it’s true, the M&P might be my last. I guess we are second rate citizens here in Maryland where it’s okay to marry if you’re gay and smoke pot if you claim to be sick. This is tragic!!!
I called a local gun shop and they told me that you have to wait 30 days after you receive the firearm before you can purchase another. This is ridiculous. I read the law as saying you cannot buy two guns “within a 30 day period.” Well I bought the gun in March so 30 days has long passed. If I had money I’d be suing the state of Maryland and the governor.
technically you didn’t “buy” the gun until it was given to you. You merely put a deposit on it pending the background and “not disapproved” stamp. Had you been disapproved you would have gotten your deposit back.
Technically they were suppose to complete the background check in 7 days.
Actually that’s not what the law says. It allows the dealer to hand over the weapon after 7 days but the dealers choose not to because of federal law and the potential loss of their ffl. I certainly am not defending the time it takes to do the background check as I complained to members of the state legislature about it as well. In fact, I think the law makes no sense when it requires a background check for each gun. My check just came back and I picked up my gun. If I choose to buy another gun after 30 days I would have to go through the whole process again – another 11-12 weeks. This is a ridiculous duplication and costs the state to have all these extra employees running checks. I suggested to a member of the state senate that they should loom at this and amend the law to require MSP to check a data base of recently approved backgrounds and come up with a time- such as if a buyer had completed the background check within the last 60, 90, 120 days then a new check need not be performed, or if one is it is limited to court records for arrests/conviction since the last check. This would sped up the process for subsequent buyers as well as reduce costs to the MSP.
Ok. Since I am not purchasing the gun until after I have been approved I have another question. If I “purchase an AR-15 now and my background check runs past October 1st will it automatically be denied?
that is an excellent question. I would have to read the new law to see if those applying to purchase an assault rifle (so called anyway) before the law takes affect would not be able to complete the purchase. A quick review of the law does not show me anything about your being able to complete a purchase if you applied to purchase before October 1, 2013. No exception means you probably can’t complete the purchase, but again I am not sure. Of course, it would be a good case for the NRA to take up once it happens because it would a be a harm.
I have never been a “conspiracy theory” type of person, but something like this makes one wonder whether they are dragging their feet on back ground checks in order to prevent a buying spree of assault rifles before the law takes effect.
Is is a conspiracy? Probably not, but it certainly stinks of a bunch of brown nosing politicians doing what is right for themselves and not the people. The state of MD has enacted laws severely limiting the rights of gun owners and you can be sure they are not going to do anything to increase the number of firearms in the public domain before the ban takes effect. I have no expectation that the waiting period will get any shorter. It will only get worse.
Dude, 40 days wait is not accurate…I wish it were that fast! I’ve been waiting now for 12+ weeks. My background check was submitted on 3/15/2003. Absurd isn’t it!
12+ weeks is a disgrace!!
“Maryland was first recognized as a “Free State” on November 1, 1864. On that date, the Maryland Constitution of 1864 took effect. By its provisions, slavery within the State’s borders was abolished, and Maryland, indeed, became a free state. To celebrate the emancipation, under direction of the Baltimore City Council, five hundred guns were fired, bells were rung, and flags displayed “to attest the joy of the people at their great deliverance.”
Free State my ass!!
Sixty-five days and counting…
I am on my 10th week and pissed. At what point should the people stand up and demand our rights back?
Check with your dealer. I believe friday they were told that after 7 days and the NICS check is complete they can decide if they want to release the firearm or not after that.
I know my FFL is working on it, and I will be able to pick up my AR lower within the next week or so..
So go check, I havent read anything official about this yet, been away for a few.
Here is what I just found on a quick search
“Maryland State Police
Licensing Division
ADVISORY
LD-FRS-13-001, June 7, 2013
TRANSFER OF A REGULATED FIREARM COMPLIANCE ADVISORY
The Maryland State Police Licensing Division has been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the 7 day waiting period and has been asked by many of our licensed firearms dealers to provide clarity regarding a dealers’ ability to release regulated firearms after the expiration of this 7 day period. This weekly advisory is being sent in an effort to provide this clarification and also provide further clarification to the advisory that was issued on May 31, 2013.
Can a Maryland firearm dealer release a regulated firearm after the 7 day waiting period expires?
Under Annotated Code of Maryland, Public Safety Article Section 5-123(a) and consistent with Code of Maryland Regulations Title 29 Section 03.01.10, a regulated firearm may be lawfully sold, leased or transferred by a licensed firearms dealer or other person after the seven-day waiting period, provided that the dealer or person has not received notice that the application has been placed on hold or disapproved by Maryland State Police (Public Safety Article Sec. 5-125(b)) and the dealer or person does not have actual knowledge or reasonable cause to believe that the recipient is disqualified from possessing a regulated firearm under Maryland or federal law.
A dealer or person may wait until notified that Maryland State Police has completed its investigation and has no obligation or responsibility to sell, lease or transfer prior to being notified that the investigation is completed. The dealer will forward reports of sales of all regulated firearms to Maryland State Police within seven days of the completed sale (COMAR 29.03.01.09).
The Maryland State Police thanks all Maryland firearms dealers for their continued patience and continues to encourage all sellers, lessors and transferors to wait until the Maryland State Police completes its investigation, conducts all checks, and approves the sale, lease or transfer of the regulated firearm before releasing or transferring the firearm.
Firearms Registration Section
Licensing Division
1111 Reisterstown Rd
Pikesville, MD 21208
410-653-4500”
So everyone waiting might want to call their FFL dealer.
If you take possession say today, does your 30 days start from today or from when they finally finish the paperwork?
“A dealer or person may wait until notified”…….I love when the “State” uses the the word “May” I always interpet that to mean “Must”…its just enought to hang you if you misinterpet the meaning.
Tomorrow (6/29/13) will be 90 days for me. I could have moved to Virginia, bought a gun, and moved back by now. Lol.
Maryland Sate Police have notified gun dealers that they can deliver the firearm after 7 day waiting period without penalty. This was an agreement signed a few days ago. Contact your dealer as he/she should deliver now. check the NRAILA website for further information.
Thanks for that info. I will call them tomorrow and let you know what they say.
Wish I could convince Bass Pro shop to release mine , been waiting since April 14. Your better off dealing with a small local gunshop. Big box stores dont care.
when was the last time you contacted them? The MSP and MD Attorney General’s statement just came out last week. You can get a copy of it from the NRA ILA website and show it to them. They are now the ones who are responsible for your purchase.
I did my background paperwork on March 9th and it took 11 weeks. Your background should be done pretty soon anyway.
here is a quote from the article and a link:
In response, Maryland admitted that it was unable to keep up with firearm transfer applications. But in order to avoid litigation, in mid-June the Maryland State Police and Attorney General clarified its official position that under Maryland law a handgun or semi-automatic long-gun transfer from a firearms dealer may take place after seven days, if a dealer has not received notice of a determination on the purchaser’s application, without a dealer having to fear future punishment. The state police also gave the court a sworn statement that it is adding additional employees to help process firearms applications more efficiently in the near future. With these two concessions from the state, the lawsuit was withdrawn.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/26/suit-forces-maryland-to-clarify-gun-transfer-rules/#ixzz2XZFvNVoK
Thanks again for the info. I called this morning and they said to come in and pick up the gun. I had to sign an “8th Day Release” form, but I finally got it after 90 days!
congrats! I waited 11 weeks for mine and got it last month. Got my leosa qualification finished yesterday.
please let us know who you purchased from- they will get my business and possibly other since they will follow the law.
http://bobssunoco.net/ in Callaway MD. AKA That Fishing Place.
Purchased 4/16/13 – still waiting as of 7/14/13
Was at bass pro shop in person today. THREE MONTHS to the day. Bass Pro Shops will not release till they get the paperwork back. Maybe the NRA could sue them.
or you can
Since the MSP and Attorney general have both stated that dealers may release the firearm after 7 days, and apparently some dealers such as Bass Pro Shops mentioned in a earlier post are still refusing to release the firearm, my suggestion is to not buy a firearm at Bass Pro Shop and when purchasing, ask the dealer if they will release the weapon after the 7 day period has run even if no response has been received. Don’t purchase a firearm from a dealer that will not commit to following Maryland law because at this point there is no harm for them to comply. They whined and moaned about costing them money by holding weapons in inventories, which got a law suit filed, and then when the MSP and attorney general’s office reached an agreement to basically settle the lawsuit, some are now still holding the weapons. What this tells the state is that the argument made buy the dealers has no merit and could result in a change to the MSP policy if they know they could win. This is bad for everyone, so dealers who do not follow the law should not be selling firearms and we consumers of firearms should find dealers who agree to comply.
I was arguing with them about not being under liability. Bass Pro Shops either dosent care that the MD state police said its on them at this point or the bean counters at top there dont even know that. But I’m hoping that someone thinking about getting a gun get knowledge of there policy and buys some where else. And after I get my pistol from them I will never go in there again. I might have cost them a sale the day I was in there , several people over hearing my talk with the sales man.
So I just learned that I may not be able to take ownership of my AR (lower) that I recently purchased (excuse me….PAID FOR) because the *#@!! * wait time will certainly extend past October!
What a jip!
As long as paper work is submitted by Oct. 1 you will get your AR Lower. Ask your FFL to submit your NICS check, as a lower should be classified as “other” and they are processing those for private FFL’s at this time. Took just a couple of weeks to get my most recent lower 🙂
As of today, it’s been 112 days and counting… I’m not sure I even remember what I bought…
this is bs I’ve been waiting since May 23rd I called the md state police in the said the date there working on is April 8 that’s way over 120 days
Bought mine April 14. Been calling state police for 2 weeks now and they have been working on April 14 &15 for 2 weeks. If its under second review Apr 8& 9. Its probably like what you see with public works employees fixing a road in there. Two of them digging and 4 or 5 others leaning on there shovels. Martin Omalley is happy with the situation. As far I’m concerned GOD DAM Omalley and the rest of the democratic dictatorship that runs this state and GOD DAM Bass Pro Shops!!!!
I’m truly thinking about moving this is crazy I grew up with the state trooper who got killed a couple years ago at the applebees its easier 4 people like the ones who shot him then people who obey the law in just wanna protect there family
Just called today and they are still working on April 14 & 15… That is 3 weeks on the same week!
Actually it is 3 weeks on two days. I finaaly got my 22cal pistol yesterday I bought april 14 at bass pro shop. Salesman told me the state police appealed the court ruling from late june and lost the appeal. So he says now bass pro shop will release after 7 days. Any one thinking about purchasing a gun anywhere should get a written confirmation the store will realease after 7 days or buy somewhere else. The state police backlog of back ground checks is at about ONE YEAR for a weapon puchased now!!!!! GOD DAM Martin OMalley!!!! The first step in establishing a dictatorship is to disarm the citizens and the second is to take all there money and thats where this country is headed. In my opinion the second amendment was put in place for the citizens to protect themselfs from a tyranical government like the one they escaped in Britan. Tyranny is when the people fear the government, freedom is when the government fears the people.
Just FYI, your salesman was feeding you a line of crap. There was no court ruling in June, but a settlement between the State and the NRA which caused the NRA to withdraw the law suit. Had there been an actual court ruling an appeal would not have been heard for a year at least. What really happened was Bass Pro headquarters contacted it stores in Maryland and told them to follow the agreement. I contacted leadership at Bass Pro Shops and advised them of the situation and how that firearms purchasers are also outdoors men and make up the bulk of Bass Pro Shop’s customer base, so if they wanted to see their customers go elsewhere keep up with a policy that is not required. They told me they would look into it. Apparently they did if it is in fact fixed. I am not saying I fixed the problem at all, but I do not hesitate to go to the top of the food chain to complain because I understand the lower level employees or government bureaucrats will just repeat the company line and not ask questions of their superiors. The lesson here is, don’t just complain to those who are in your same situation, work together to form a coalition and then make your complaints known. Individually we are weak but together we are strong.
Funny, just got a call to pick up my wife’s pistol that she bought april25th from Bass Pro…
I sent emails to bass pro shops website contact info and only got responces from some lower level peons that said some higher ups would contact me. That never happened. I kinda felt like I was getting a sales pitch when he told me about the appeal. But any way thank you for getting involved from me and all the others that have purchased from bass pro shops. I Won’t Be Back!
Funny….I got a call Friday from one FFL to pick up my lower, then almost immediately after that I got a call from another FFL to pick up my other 3 guns that were ready. Seems odd because the paperwork on all of them was done at different times.
does anybody knows the real waiting time I just called the msp they don’t even wanna answer questions now all they said is go on the website but nothing on the website tells you anything in there new dates are may 6 that’s crazy
Just picked mine up after waiting 4 months to clear.
This is a little off topic, but does anyone know whether the Ruger Mini-14 Tactical with a standard style stock is on the list of evil weapons after October 1?
Mr Weatherby forgot to add the planetary destruction caused by CO2 spewing automobiles powered by the internal combustion engine. The Reverend ALGore has called the automobile the most evil device ever invented.
I once had a 20/250 (uncorrected) GF who could not differentiate between a remote control and a 1911 at 10 feet. With glasses she could see just fine but the fear factor was the ‘bump in the night’. I built her a Glock 19 with 32 rnd mag, laser and white light and vertical fore-grip. The concept was that she’d just keep sending rounds as needed until the threat was diminished or the police arrived.
We worked out verbal signals so that I could identify myself to her as friend and indicate my position.
She was really quite a shot with corrective lenses, though legally blind without them.
I also worked with a totally blind man who had been so since birth. It was difficult for him to understand visual orientation directions. This began from his desire for personal protection and my curiosity about his ability’s.
He was able to light the body of the speaker in a room with a laser pointer with 100% accuracy. He never lit anyone but the speaker and was never off target. He did have issues if another person occluded the speaker which could always be a problem for the unsighted.
His auditory acumen turned out to be such that he was able to determine that a person or object intervened his laser ‘shot’ and learned to delay or maneuver to account for this. It also turned out that he was so accurate in placing the laser on the upper chest of the speaker that he was unlikely to miss.
We moved beyond the laser pointer and into a laser equipped handgun. He turned out to be better with that than the pointer alone.
He was also able to pinpoint the sound of breathing at over 10′ and to differentiate the sound of a person breathing among as many as 4 people in a room and to name them. He could target each person based on the sound of their breathing alone.
On the range he was able to orient the pistol safely one he’d been shown the parameters a single time.
He never experience difficultly locating himself in strange houses, and on the range could always face roughly forward without assistance.
He was able to differentiate and hit targets based on the noise they were making even if 4 targets all presented with a separate noise simultaneously.
It’s not scientific, but I have little doubt he could differentiate between friend and foe at 10′ and deliver accurate fire to the voice area (upper chest and neck) readily with an unmodified pistol, just based on breathing alone.
He did have a tendency to point the gun toward anyone who spoke, but using a Glock we were able to determine that he didn’t fire on them, only oriented the gun on them as the loudest target.
If one entered his house and was not able to respond to his demands in a familiar voice or with reasonable explanation I have little doubt he could have put effective fire on the speaker without collateral damage.
We did live fire with him and found the laser exercises bore out; he could shoot a man effectively at 20′ if he could hear him and use that sound to choose the target. His accuracy was poor but given 16 tries he would often effect more than 9 hits on a stationary target.
Closer, at 7′ he could achieve virtually 100% accuracy on a ‘noisy’ target.
I submit all targets are either dead or ‘noisy’ having been shot multiple times.
My experience is that a completely blind person is capable of effective self defense with a handgun.