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A protester places a bottle Wednesday night, Aug. 26, 2020, in Kenosha, Wis., at the scene where someone was fatally shot Tuesday night during demonstrations over the Sunday shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man, by police. A white, 17-year-old police admirer was arrested Wednesday in Tuesday's shootings. (AP Photo/David Goldman)
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We all know about the situation in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Part of the land of cheese and snow drifts taller than your car has devolved into chaos rather unsurprisingly…chaos and violent protests seem to be The Thing to Do lately. Most recently a 17-year-old purportedly present to assist others in protecting businesses fired on his assailants, killing two of them.

The Kenosha Police Chief, Daniel Miskinis, had something to say about that:

“Everybody involved was out after the curfew,” Miskinis said. “I’m not gonna make a great deal of it but the point is — the curfew’s in place to protect. Had persons not been out involved in violation of that, perhaps the situation that unfolded would not have happened.”

Kenosha set a curfew when they realized they were in a state of emergency thanks to all the violent protestors rioters. It’s been set at 8 pm to 7 am curfew. They’ve announced the hours nightly this week and it seems unlikely to change anytime soon given the current circumstances. The latest curfew now starts at 7PM and is in place through Sunday, August 30, 2020.

This seems like a fantastic time to bring up John Farnam’s rule, something I seem to be repeating endlessly this week: don’t go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things. Take that however you like in this admittedly complicated context.

Don’t want to get shot by someone trying to defend their life and property? Don’t break the curfew. Don’t riot and burn buildings. Don’t throw bricks at fleeing people, beat them with a skateboard, deliver potentially-fatal kicks while they’re on the ground, and then complain when you wake up dead.

Yes there are likely a lot of details missing from what went on in the Kyle Rittenhouse situation. It’s still fresh enough that I’m gathering details and waiting it out a little bit longer. Does it look like a justified shoot(s)? Yes, right now it does.

Should we ask why he crossed a state line with a rifle he couldn’t legally open carry at his age in Wisconsin? Probably. There are some who are appalled that we even wonder why he was there in the first place, but it’s a still legitimate question.

There’s a flip side to that question, though. We may be at the kind of tipping point where we’ll have an increasing number of armed citizens offer to help protect local businesses from rioting, looting, and burning to the ground is the logical response.

Defense of property is typically not something justifiable for self-defense. For example, if some guy is in your driveway stealing your car no, you should not exit your house to confront him, not unless your wife, husband, or child is in said car. But these are different times.

There are a lot of what-ifs, a great many unknowns, and a ludicrous amount of wildly bad behavior going down (and for the most part the people behaving badly get away with it scot free).

Still, it’s hard disagree with Chief Miskinis. He’s not wrong about rioters breaking curfew (and assaulting people).

What do you think? Should people from outside areas, even other states, be traveling there to defend businesses from rioters?

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  1. And dont attack people carrying guns.

    Bricks – deadly
    Skateboard = club- deadly
    Molotov – deadly

    Basically – dont be dick thug.

    • When non-Hispanic Blacks compose some 14% of society and commit some 52% of ALL crime, YOU DO NOT HAVE MUCH TO PROTEST.

      Especially in light of recent Police video cam releases and autopsy evidence.

      • Realistically, that 14% number is not accurate. BFs of any age have violent crime rates about the same as the rest of the population. The same goes for BMs over age 35. That leaves U-35 BMs as the primary perpetrator of that 52-54% of murders. So it’s more like 3% of that demographic committing over 1/2 the murders…

    • Right now law enforcement is out-numbered. Politicians have limited their actions and restricted their numbers. So you may have to protect yourself. And the first thing you need to know is what the law is in your state. Here is the Texas law on self–defense.
      Sec. 9.32. DEADLY FORCE IN DEFENSE OF PERSON. (a) A person is justified in using deadly force against another:

      (1) if the actor would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.31; and

      (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

      (A) to protect the actor against the other’s use or attempted use of unlawful deadly force; or

      (B) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of aggravated kidnapping, murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, robbery, or aggravated robbery.

      And one VERY NICE thing about Texas law is it explicitly spells out when you can use DEADLY FORCE to protect property.

      Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:

      (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and

      (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:

      (A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or

      (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and

      (3) he reasonably believes that:

      (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or

      (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

      So know the law in the state you are in. Remember, there are lots and lots of people taking video of these riots and people are being arrested weeks after they occur. The thugs that were shot in Wisconsin were ID’d within hours.

  2. FUCK are you serious? “a police admirer”, like that is a bad thing. WTF is wrong with the media, they all need to be defunded. they do not report the news, the perpetuate hate and rhetoric. The reports are already out who this kid killed were criminals.
    He did the right thing, and has nothing to be ashamed of, he is clearly defending himself.

    • He’ll plea to manslaughter and minor in possession of a firearm. Riots will erupt over the lesser plea. Next in line for charges and lawsuits will be his parents for letting him have a firearm. All he should really be charged with is minor in possession, but prosecutors won’t go down that road. They’ll make an example out of him to send a message, while turning a blind eye to the violent protesters. I hope a gaggle of attorneys pro bono him so he’s not pro bono’d in adult prison.

      • ColoradoKid,

        If Mr. Rittenhouse gets a half-way decent defense attorney, he will beat all homicide charges because there is ample video evidence which makes it crystal clear that he was exercising righteous self-defense.

        Wisconsin might still try to jack him up on minor carrying a rifle if there is such a thing in Wisconsin. That would be the only thing that they use to jack him up.

        • Open carry age in WI is 18. His interviews prior to the incident didn’t help. Guilty on all counts.

        • WI,

          I think his interviews prior to the event help him a great deal. First of all, there is video (or perhaps a still photo) of him volunteering and trying to clean graffiti. Then there is the impromptu video interview where he says that he is there to protect people and businesses from destruction.

          He will walk — and rightly should.

        • 948.60  Possession of a dangerous weapon by a person under 18.
          (1)  In this section, “dangerous weapon” means any firearm, loaded or unloaded; any electric weapon, as defined in s. 941.295 (1c) (a); metallic knuckles or knuckles of any substance which could be put to the same use with the same or similar effect as metallic knuckles; a nunchaku or any similar weapon consisting of 2 sticks of wood, plastic or metal connected at one end by a length of rope, chain, wire or leather; a cestus or similar material weighted with metal or other substance and worn on the hand; a shuriken or any similar pointed star-like object intended to injure a person when thrown; or a manrikigusari or similar length of chain having weighted ends.
          (a) Any person under 18 years of age who possesses or goes armed with a dangerous weapon is guilty of a Class A misdemeanor.
          (b) Except as provided in par. (c), any person who intentionally sells, loans or gives a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age is guilty of a Class I felony.
          (c) Whoever violates par. (b) is guilty of a Class H felony if the person under 18 years of age under par. (b) discharges the firearm and the discharge causes death to himself, herself or another.
          (d) A person under 17 years of age who has violated this subsection is subject to the provisions of ch. 938 unless jurisdiction is waived under s. 938.18 or the person is subject to the jurisdiction of a court of criminal jurisdiction under s. 938.183.
          (a) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon when the dangerous weapon is being used in target practice under the supervision of an adult or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the supervision of an adult. This section does not apply to an adult who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age for use only in target practice under the adult’s supervision or in a course of instruction in the traditional and proper use of the dangerous weapon under the adult’s supervision.
          (b) This section does not apply to a person under 18 years of age who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who possesses or is armed with a dangerous weapon in the line of duty. This section does not apply to an adult who is a member of the armed forces or national guard and who transfers a dangerous weapon to a person under 18 years of age in the line of duty.
          (c) This section applies only to a person under 18 years of age who possesses or is armed with a rifle or a shotgun if the person is in violation of s. 941.28 or is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593. This section applies only to an adult who transfers a firearm to a person under 18 years of age if the person under 18 years of age is not in compliance with ss. 29.304 and 29.593 or to an adult who is in violation of s. 941.28.

      • Minor in possession? Are you kidding me? In Florida anyone 16+ can possess a firearm without adult supervision. Though you have to have a hunter safety course to get a hunting license. I forget the cut off date. I owned my first handgun at 16. A S&W 19. 4″.

        • Maybe next time he should shoot someone in FL because in Wisconsin under 18 open carry/causing a death equals a couple of felonies.. I’m all for the kid, I hope he walks, he SHOULD walk… unfortunately he is dealing with pro-“peaceful” demonstrator types who will most likely want to make an example of him… too bad, the kid was pretty much on the ball… a lot of possibly wasted potential…

        • Madd, he’s welcome to come to Florida and shoot all the Yankees he wants. Myself, I can’t bring myself to travel south of Ocala without gagging.

          • I can’t bring myself to travel south of Ocala without gagging. Just make a left and head into Volusia County REDDEST county in FL…

        • Madd, you have never been to Liberty County. You couldn’t go in a crowded room with a baseball bat and find a Biden supporter to hit.

          • You couldn’t go in a crowded room

            would have to be a pretty small room to be that crowded (just joking) but yes, I HAVE been to Liberty County, I’m also aware that Volusia County has more positive Covid 19 cases than Liberty does residents (reference only, not bragging) but at 560,000> vs <9000 you can see my point RIGHT? My zip code has over 10,000 residents…. The Panhandle is a great place, as is most of the Gulf side, and I have run across State Road 20 out of Tallahassee right across the middle of of Liberty County, through Blountstown over to 231south hundreds of times over the years on my old Harleys heading to Panama City for a weekend party…. Hang tough, we always know we can count on the folks all across there to help keep FL RED…

      • I didn t realize I broke the law when I was 17 and carried a machine gun. But I was working for uncle Sam so I guess that’s different
        Except I don’t think it is. Kid is a patriot and has more guts than many.

      • Those violent protesters also crossed the state line. They flew from Seattle to Chicago. It was a short ride north to their next “job”. Wanna bet they’re all white middle class kids?

    • The MSM has been forced to use more neutral language when covering this sort of incident ever since Nicholas Sandman spanked multiple news outlets for multiple million dollar defamation lawsuits. If it weren’t for that I’m sure that the media would me editorializing this situation with language closer to what we’re hearing from some of the leftist trolls that are currently sh*t-posting in the comments here.

    • Like I said before. I like the police. But the three L’s don’t support me just shooting criminals when they rob, rape, steal, break into or vandalize private property. I’m told to call the cops and wait.

  3. With respect, I live rater rural. It 13 miles from home to the state road. You have to work to be back here. If someone is breaking into my car after having driven at least 22 miles (closest market / civilization) up canyon roads and then into the midst of my 40 acres (no mule) to my house to break into my car, that demonstrates forethought and intention, and will be confronted.

  4. Sean O’Keefe: Trump and the RNC abandoned the Republican platform and the legacy of Ronald Reagan
    The absence of principles is what drove me and dozens of other national security officials who served in Republican administrations to back Joe Biden.

    Aug. 27, 2020, 1:35 AM MST
    By Sean O’Keefe, former secretary of the Navy and NASA administrator

    Time was, you could highlight Republican principles on a flash card, particularly when it came to national security. At the 1980 Republican National Convention— when Republican clarity about the party’s ideals was at a peak — Americans knew where we stood, and the Reagan-Bush administrations followed through with policies that gave life to those principles.

    The premise, as laid out in the party platform, started with the proposition that international order created peace and prosperity for Americans. That “peace through strength” meant a formidable military presence around the globe, an asset to us and a deterrent to our enemies. That fair trade was a motivation to overcome differences. That democracy and human rights were legitimate objectives worth persuading others around the globe to embrace. And that to achieve these results, we would stand by our allies and together we could restrain those nations, like Russia, that wished to harm us.

    These were simple, bedrock principles — ones for which there wasn’t much daylight between Republicans and Democrats — and they guided us well through the American century. Tragically, it appears these Republican principles have been lost. Nothing makes that clearer than the lack of a 2020 Republican platform to frame the ideas Republicans stand behind. Rather, the party has instituted a blind endorsement of President Donald Trump and his “America First” priorities, whatever those may be.

    This absence of principles, above all else, is what drove me and more than 70 other national security leaders from previous Republican administrations to conclude that former Vice President Joe Biden would be better to lead and preserve our national security than a president who claims to be a Republican, but one that Ronald Reagan wouldn’t recognize.

    As the secretary of the Navy in the George H.W. Bush administration, it pains me to admit this. Not just because I believe that the GOP truly stood for something great and that previous Republican presidents acted on principles, but also because the absence of any principles puts our nation and the world in tremendous danger.

    We have alienated our allies and been suckered by our enemies further afield, as well. We abruptly canceled joint military exercises with South Korea, a vital economic partner that presidents of both parties have relied on to check North Korean aggression. Instead, Trump “fell in love” with North Korean despot Kim Jong Un and allowed him to move ever closer to building nuclear weapons that are increasingly capable of reaching our nation.

    Thankfully, no South Koreans have (yet) lost their lives as a result of our betrayal, but the same cannot be said for the Kurds in the Middle East. We removed U.S. forces that were keeping the Turkish military from moving against our Kurdish allies — allies who helped us defeat the Islamic State militant group — allowing Turkey to displace 100,000 Kurds and kill many more. In turn, the region is even more chaotic and now another incubator for yet more terrorist activities.

    We have alienated our allies and been suckered by our enemies further afield, as well. We abruptly canceled joint military exercises with South Korea, a vital economic partner that presidents of both parties have relied on to check North Korean aggression. Instead, Trump “fell in love” with North Korean despot Kim Jong Un and allowed him to move ever closer to building nuclear weapons that are increasingly capable of reaching our nation.

    Thankfully, no South Koreans have (yet) lost their lives as a result of our betrayal, but the same cannot be said for the Kurds in the Middle East. We removed U.S. forces that were keeping the Turkish military from moving against our Kurdish allies — allies who helped us defeat the Islamic State militant group — allowing Turkey to displace 100,000 Kurds and kill many more. In turn, the region is even more chaotic and now another incubator for yet more terrorist activities.

    Yet the president blithely uses U.S. military forces as a threat here at home — against our own people — to quell civil unrest. This was among the motivations that drove early American revolutionaries to rebel against the monarchy that repressed them. And it is an instinct that U.S. military service members recoil against because they swore to defend the United States, not to be used as a blunt instrument against their own people.

    My concern about the abandonment of Republican principles in the Trump era is not about wistful nostalgia for an earlier time, however, or even a vague desire to “do the right thing.” Today, all of America’s security challenges are international and require an international response. The COVID-19 pandemic proved, once again, that viruses do not respect international barriers and that “fortress America” is not a fortress at all. What happens in a market in Wuhan affects us here, as the nearly 182,000 people COVID-19 has killed in the United States can only attest to from the grave.

    In addition to working together to stop a deadly disease, we need our allies to join us to combat terrorism, ameliorate or adapt to climate change and stem mass migration. But it seems there’s no ally we won’t alienate. Trump has started diplomatic spats with Canada, Australia, Germany, France and, somehow, even Denmark and Sweden. These incidents have consequences for American national security leaders who have forged working relationships over three generations and report that our allies no longer trust us.

    I am supporting Biden because he, more than Trump, embodies American — and even Republican — national security principles now. As President George H.W. Bush said, “America is never wholly herself unless she is engaged in high moral principle.” As President Dwight Eisenhower said, “A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.” As President George W. Bush said, “We can only see the reality of America’s need by seeing it through the eyes of the threatened, oppressed and disenfranchised.”

    These are all beliefs espoused by Republican presidents who have lived and acted on them. It was only under Trump that the Republican Party started behaving as though principles didn’t matter.
    I have not always agreed with Biden, and it’s unlikely I will always agree with him if he is elected president. But when disagreements do occur, I will have returned to the ranks of the loyal opposition and will be able to express my objections and prescriptions by appealing to the deeply held principles that have guided him throughout his career in public service. Those differences will likely be due to conflicting views over policy, and at least the Democrats put out a party platform of policies to debate.

    Sean O’Keefe was the secretary of the Navy in the George H.W. Bush administration and the NASA administrator in the George W. Bush administration. He is the former chancellor of Louisiana State University and is now a professor of public administration at the Syracuse University Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs.

    • Sean O’Keefe worked for TWO New World Order presidents. That means there’s us and them and he ain’t one of us.

    • you and anybody that agree are total idiots our military is in better shape than has been in years and stronger worldwide and you are a traitor for stating the above Biden and harris will turn this nation into a socialist nation and block our rights to speak and arm ourselves and reopen our borders and let china run wild them and Russia hope Biden gets in because he and harris will be pushovers we have already know what kind of man he is because everything he did as vice president and if that’s what you want go ahead and move to one of our country’s and gets the hell out of ours

      • While I don’t necessarily disagree, you do need to use punctuation if you expect to be taken seriously. That was a long ass run on sentence.

        • I don’t read the comment when it’s long enough to be an essay.
          It’s supposed to be fun reading the comment section.

        • You’re right. It certainly detracts from the credibility of what truckman is attempting to state.

      • I’ll need citations from reputable sources that our military is in such great shape. Our crew went nose-to-nose with Russian trawlers, Russian destroyers, Russian bombers, and Russian fighters routinely. It didn’t even make the news. Today? If one of our pilots gets within fifty miles of a Russian pilot, it headline news. That newest Zumwalt ship class? It’s a death trap, waiting for a wave to capsize it. Word has it that when it rolls past 60 degrees, it’s gone. Real ships can roll as much as 100 degrees, and the righting arms bring it back up. Look that term up, “righting arm”. The marine engineers forgot everything they knew when they returned to a failed French ship design. In short, I think you’re full of schitzls, as is anyone who would publish such drivel.

        • 100 degrees? You’ve lost your mind. I’ve been on naval vessels for the last 20 years, and parts of the ship are designed to BREAK OFF at greater than 40 or so degrees. 100 degrees is more than laying fully horizontal. That would put the sides of the bridge underwater. The props and the keel would be literally out of water. None of our ships have ever been designed to roll 100 degrees and survive. Actually no ships ever have been designed that way

        • I understood Paul to mean a range of 100 degrees, rather than 100 degrees from the horizontal. This would mean 50 degrees up from the horizontal to both sides. Could be wrong though, and 50 degrees is still an awful lot…

        • Hawkeye,
          Well that is a little less extreme. I could see 50 degrees from vertical and still righting itself. As long as the watertight integrity is maintained of course. A decent enough breach in the hull and 50 degrees may well be signing the ships death warrant. However, things like the mast, and a few other bits that sit high up on a warship would certainly be compromised in process

        • Frustrated in Va – link here to comparison of Arleigh Burke destroyers to Zumwalt. The article specifically states that the Arleigh Burke class can come back from a 110 degree roll, ie, with the mast submerged in the water, the ship still has a righting momentum.

          Early in my Navy career, I was told that the guns would detach if the ship ever rolled beyond 45 degrees. That scuttlebutt was proven false when we rolled past 55 degrees, many times, over a three week period on a North Atlantic cruise, during the winter months. During a 6 week period, we never saw seas less than 35 feet, to give you an idea how rough it was.

          Thankfully, we never rolled past 60 degrees. 55 is scary as all get out, and the crew was well battered when we finally made a port call in Plymouth, England.

    • Whatever one thinks of the Turks, they are our NATO allies. We have no alliance with the Kurds, although I suppose they could be construed as allied with Mr. Osama’s “Arab Spring” plan to bring dumbocracy (the will of the people, who hate us) to the Middle East.

      I guess I shouldn’t expect any better from someone who believes Ronald Reagan’s criteria for principled presidency include “ameliorat[ing] climate change”. Also, is he sure the GWB quote isn’t actually from Karl Marx?

      • yeah,..we have a much larger vested interest in the Turks than the Kurds…would hope they would understand that…withdrawal, while regrettable….was diplomatically necessary…..

        • “Regrettable”? Every US penny, and (much worse) every drop of US blood unconstitutionally squandered trying to turn the Third World into Disney World is regrettable.

    • Democrats keep talking about “dog whistles” that it seems only they can hear. Well, President Trump goes beyond dog whistles that enrage Democrat curs.

      He also emits an ultrasonic wave that causes the rats gnawing at the walls inside the Republican party to go mad over time and publicly expose themselves as the disease-ridden globalist creatures they are.

      • Trump’s a populist posing as a republican…or RINO’s, as they are commonly known…a lot of them just want to get back to business as usual…and a semi-senile Biden seems just the ticket to make that happen….

        • Thank you. Few people seem to understand “populist”. Trump hijacked the Republican party, and a lot of Rs will never forgive him. It’s the same reason Dems hate him.

    • @Sean O’Keefe. You are wrong. It was the new conservative insurgency that abandoned the establishment Republican’s traditional UniParty accommodation with progressive Democrats. The insurgency elected Trump who then reestablished the RNC. Sorry this turned a lot of loyal establishment/progressive Republican’s into Rinos and Never-Trumpers. Deal with it.

    • Yet the president blithely uses U.S. military forces as a threat here at home

      Actually he is using the National Guard JUST like Obama did during the Ferguson Mo dust up…
      When I first saw a previous post by you I could not believe that you would attack Trump for pointing out that SOME people in this country are SCUM (you DO realize he spoke the truth, right?) but you conveniently seemed to forget that Hildabeast and Creepy Uncle Joe actually disparaged half the voters in the country SHE called us “deplorables” He called us “despicable” and “Rocket Scientist” Kamala just got burned by the same two clowns that offered “naked pictures of Trump” to Adam Schitt….
      At first I thought You were just a poor misinformed individual but after looking over this long winded “copy/paste abortion (do you get paid for duplicating paragraphs?) I have come to the realization that you are either a miner protégé OR another miner caricature… Either way you are still a fuking TROLL and not worthy of any further response…

    • I’m 99.999999% sure this isnt Debbie. The length of the post is similar to something one of the resident Trolls would have posted a few months back.

      • For some reason it’s easy to hijack accounts. Why does it allow an account to be created that already exists?

        • “Why does it allow an account to be created that already exists?”

          One of the reasons I started commenting in TTAG in the first place is because there was no stupid registration process.

          But recently I am now of the opinion that TTAG should have a way to ‘reserve’ user names for the regulars in some way. A simple password, maybe? I’m no blog guru…

          It’s just getting so damn disruptive and really is killing the fun of the TTAG comment section.

          And yeah, I doubt that was the regular Deborah…

        • You can go register at and get an avatar that’s associated with your email address. It’ll show up on any site that uses a compatible commenting system (which is almost all of them), and then nobody can impersonate you. I’ve been using one for years, and it’s very handy.

    • Sorry in advance for the long post. This is for the person pretending to be Debbie.

      Gee, another Bush ally has come out of the closet as a democrat. I’ve never seen anything like this before! Which conservative principle is this guy fighting for by supporting Biden? Oh, a strong military. That’s interesting since Trump had to build back the military that Obama and Biden neutered. I guess you could say that Trump built it back better.

      What else have you got? “And that to achieve these results, we would stand by our allies and together we could restrain those nations, like Russia, that wished to harm us.”

      Russia?! What has Russia done since Trump was in office? Did Russia invade countries and “meddle” enough in our elections to make dems lose their minds for three full years? Oh, no actually Russia did those things during the Obama – Biden administration. If Biden’s the guy to stop Russia, then why didn’t he do it when he was in power? This guy’s really counting on short memories isn’t he? Does he think everyone’s stupid enough to buy into these narratives? Does he think everyone’s as gullible as enuf? Why no mention of China? Why is Joe a China apologist? Who’s the emerging world super power, Russia or China? Is it even close?

      “America First” priorities, whatever those may be. Yeah, it’s super confusing to understand that every decision made should always put America first. That really makes it difficult to run around and be the world police, the regime change king makers, and keeping the tax payer money flowing for endless nation building overseas.

      “Thankfully, no South Koreans have (yet) lost their lives as a result of our betrayal” See it’s not the fault of Joe Biden that North Korea is run by a mad dictator. Joe’s only been in power since before I was born. Yeah, it’s definitely the fault of the guy who’s been in power for less than four years. The guy that went out of his way to negotiate peace talks with North Korea. Remember when Joe did that? Me either. I guess he hasn’t had time yet, since he was only elected to the U.S. Senate in 1972!!!

      “the same cannot be said for the Kurds in the Middle East.” And there it is folks. The neocon establishment is PISSED that we didn’t go to war with our NATO ally. Remember this. Endless wars was like the one thing that both parties agreed on. Why is Trump screwing that up for them? Oh yeah, that pesky America First thing. What a crazy idea!

      “Yet the president blithely uses U.S. military forces as a threat here at home — against our own people — to quell civil unrest.” Civil unrest, also known as violent riots. The establishment-promoted violence death toll is up to what now, mid 30s? How many more need to die? How many injuries? How many businesses should be destroyed? I thought law and order was a conservative value? “And it is an instinct that U.S. military service members recoil against…” Give me a break drama queen. You know this isn’t even happening.

      “Trump has started diplomatic spats with…” America First. What are they helping us with again? Why are we footing the bill for their security?? Shouldn’t there be a mutual interest and a mutual respect? Trump was actually getting along great with France until their leader needed a distraction from his failed environmental tax policy, and joined the establishment attack on Trump. Americans want a fighter, not another apologist p__sy like Obama, that’s all too willing to put down our country while abroad. Even after he left office, Obama’s still out there putting us down to other countries. Is that a conservative principle?

      “I am supporting Biden because he, more than Trump, embodies American — and even Republican — national security principles now.” Exactly what I’ve been saying about these Never Trumpers. It’s usually about their failed foreign policy, even more than their failed economic policies. Notice how he just goes on about principles, but never really gets into the meat of policy. This is a tactic to win over weak-minded TDS sufferers that can’t handle tweets, words, and (mostly media / democrat generated) drama. They’re counting on emotion over policy, and personality over actual results. Ask yourself why Biden is waiting 50 years of public service before he tries to implement some super smart policy.

    • Biden is showing medical recognized traits of onset dementia. I equate the democrats promotion of him as a story of “The king has no clothes”. This is why Nancy Pelosi and other dems do not want him to debate Trump. Biden would be destryed in a actual live debate and the nation would see it.
      Biden has had 48 years in government and has done nothing but line his pockets and the pockets of friends and family. He is about as corrupt as they come. Face facts, within 6 months his own party with have him removed from office for “Medical Issues”. This will pave the way for Kmaltoe Harris to be POTUS and Pelosi to become VP. Face it, this is the dems plan.

        • That’s why the Trump team has requested that BOTH candidates be drug tested prior to each debate (something I suggested weeks ago) to make sure Creepy Uncle Joe in not using Ritalin or some other attention enhancer/mental stimulant…

    • I for one am glad republicans are going against trump… it lets you know the true traitors and pathetic cowards not to vote for… they are all worthless if they think any democrat is worth voting for… take our guns and money they truly want to be rulers not public service… look what Biden said I don’t work for you?! I mean what yeah you do if you are an elected official

    • There is a term “to cut off your nose to spite your face”. Be careful of what you want because you might get it. If too many people make anti-Trump protest votes to the Democrats or other third parties, the Democrats might think this is endorsing their policies, especially the more radical ones, and they will rush to implement them while they have the decisive majority.

    • Who cares what that RINO swamp creature says? Don’t EVER listen to some establishment jerk that only wants to line his pockets.

      • Somebody posted a book in the middle of the comments.!

        If it gets paid by the word it should be close to retirement…..

  5. Simple answer: “A well-regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.”

  6. This is true “Don’t go to stupid places with stupid people and do stupid things”

    The 3 people who were shot (2 killed) all had stupid things in their background all of them have criminal records.

    BALD GUY: Joseph D. Rosenbaum, 36, was the first one killed. Video allegedly shows him chasing teen shooter & throwing something at him. Rosenbaum was a registered sex offender for a sex crime involving a minor and registered for life as a sex offender. (Source Wisconsin Department of Correction Sex Offender Registry)

    SKATER: Anthony Huber, 26, was the 2nd shot & killed. He was filmed chasing down the armed teen and hitting him when he was on the ground with a skateboard. He has a criminal history that includes charges of battery & repeat domestic abuse

    I AM NO LONGER RIGHT-HANDED: Gaige Grosskreutz 26 was the third who was shot (& survived) He’s a member of the People’s Revolution Movement. He was filmed chasing after the teen w/a pistol. He was shot at close-range in the upper arm. He has a criminal record that includes being intoxicated & armed w/a gun. He was also a convicted felon for a felony burglary at 19 years old. So that would make him a prohibited person. If your curious you can go to his Facebook page where seen painting a big “DEFUND THE POLICE” on city street.

    The came to play stupid games and they all won stupid prizes!!

    • And I’d bet if they had killed Rittenhouse that not one of them would have been arrested or charged.

    • Young Kyle Rittenhouse did this nation a favor two nights ago. We could use a whole lot more like him doing a lot more of it.

      • Agreed the Democrat Mayor was unwilling to accept support from Trump because they want to appeal to their left-wing extremist base. So some teenager did what some of our leaders won’t do which is stand up to the Mob and stop this madness.

        • The governor as well. They hate admitting that Trump was right. Then they basically ended up admitting it in the end, making themselves look like fools. They’re playing politics instead of protecting their citizens. Blood is on their hands, just like the other democrat mayors.

    • Johnny L,

      Roughly 10 seconds before Rittenhouse shot bald guy in the melon, bald guy threw a Molotov cocktail at Rittenhouse and only missed Rittenhouse by a few feet.

      You can see it on video if you find the right video.

      • I saw that!! I’m not sure it was a Molotov cocktail or something else, but he certainly was chasing him and trying to do bodily harm to him. You can see in this video the BALD GUY was the most aggressive when he encounters the armed militia at the gas station. The SKATER guy was also there next to the BALD GUY arguing with them as well.

        All of them were a bunch of losers they are not martyrs and they are not innocent victims who was killed by a so called white supremacist. That is a lie…

    • Holy smoke, every one of them were criminals. I heard the media portraying this as protestors being shot. Pushing the narrative by not putting the “protestors” in context.

      • revealing facts…that tend to put a different “spin” on things…especially the one with the pistol…now a “self-defense” defense seems even more likely…..

      • These are not protesters. They have gone beyond rioters and into rampaging mob territory.

    • “Hail to the Heroes … of The Revolution”

      Perhaps AntiFa will some put up a statue to these three dead-enders

      I can’t wait…

  7. Good advice and about time. Even though it don’t seem right to restrict movement, gotta do what yah gotta do.,,. Now this is off topic but awhile back a guy told me he shot a slaughter hog behind the ear at point blank( barrel around a half inch away) and didn’t kill the sow. Sometimes he gets his shit screwed up because, well, just because.h e had a.410 #6 didn’t say 2&1/2 or 3. Now I’d have bet money on a DRT, but he said it ran off squealing and he shot it with a slug. Now some of you guys that shoot or trap hogs what do you think? my dad just busted them in the head with a sledge hammer because WW2 vet n we didn’t have gunms on the farm, so I don’t know about shooting hogs, but I’d a sure bet at point blank a .410#6 2&1/2 would have killed it.

    • A friend of mine tried to euthanize a deer that had been hit on the highway, he shot it in the back of the skull from about 4’ away with a Kimber ultra carry .45 fmj and the bullet bounced off the deers skull.

      He ran back to the car to get his girlfriend’s ccw .357mag and that one did the trick…

    • I’ve never heard of any one using a .410 with a load of 6’s to shoot a pig. We used a .22 for pigs and cows. Saw one horse killed that way.

      I never saw any type of shotgun used to slaughter farm animals.

    • Oh, you can go wherever you want. Just don’t go there with the express purpose of burning, looting and mayhem and there likely won’t be a problem.

    • There’s a lot of thick bone with curved/angled surfaces back there, so it depends on how the gun is angled relative to the head. Aim a bit more sideways, to hit the first vertebrae at the base of the skull, or better yet from above and angled to penetrate a bit forward, and you’re more likely to get your DRT. A 2.5 inch .410 cartridge will have roughly 220 grains of lead, but that heavy bone will deflect a lot of those pellets even at powder burn range. Should use a rifle or handgun though, if you have to shoot it.

  8. Don’t want to get shot by someone trying to defend their life and property? Don’t break the curfew. Don’t riot and burn buildings. Don’t throw bricks at fleeing people, beat them with a skateboard, deliver potentially-fatal kicks while they’re on the ground, and then complain when you wake up dead.

    Sounds like REALLY good advice… Nobody will take it (unfortunately) and it sounds like the green light is on…

    • At their last breath I wonder if they thought that dying on some grungy street or used car lot in Kenosha, Wisconsin was really worth it.

      They are not heroes, not martyrs, not anything now except dead.

      I hope they can at least be used as examples of what is coming if this …’whatever this is’… is not calmed down.

      • Manse Jolly,

        At their last breath I wonder if they thought that dying on some grungy street or used car lot in Kenosha, Wisconsin was really worth it.

        In the close-up video of Molotov cocktail attacker who took a bullet in the head: right after people apply a shirt to the wound on his head to try and reduce bleeding, he lets out a haunting moan/cry for a few seconds. I am wondering, was he moaning/crying:
        1) in physical pain from the head wound and people pushing on his head in good faith to try and reduce bleeding and save his life?
        2) in emotional pain from realizing that he really screwed up and was going to die in a few seconds?

        • I am surprised he died. Shooting this guy in the head and actually hitting brain matter would be like attempting to shoot a pea in a box car. The shooter must have been a crack shot. He deserves a marksmanship metal.

        • “he lets out a haunting moan/cry for a few seconds.”

          That’s when he saw the demons floating up through the pavement to drag his kiddy diddling ass to hell.

        • Wally, sitting on the ground, I can hit a Figure 14 target, which is the size of a head, at 100m. Standing I can do it at 50m. With a scope and off a bipod, 200m.

        • ” he lets out a haunting moan/cry for a few seconds. I am wondering, was he moaning/crying:”

          If the bullet hit brain matter, it could have ‘scrambled’ his thought process. There are supposed to be no pain sensors in there, but maybe in the scalp-skullbones?

          Trauma to the brain can cause brain swelling, maybe that?

          The mean side of me is disappointment he didn’t suffer very long. A life sentence of confined to a wheelchair would have been justice…

        • There’s an autopsy report out that the head wound was just a superficial graze. Could still have knocked him silly, but he was hit 4 other times — one of those broke his pelvis and another went through the lung, which explains him bleeding through the nose. In summary, he was dead more than one way.

        • One of the many pages I’ve read today claimed that all four shots that Kyle took hit this kiddy diddler. The obvious skull shot was just a graze – tore up a patch of scalp, and looks serious, but just a graze. The killing shot apparently went in the neck and up into the brain. Apparently hit nothing solid, so it probably rattled around inside the skull a little before settling down.

          If what I read is accurate, kiddy diddler wasn’t aware of anything at all from the instant the bullet impacted. Wheezing, moaning, etc would all have been involuntary reflexes of the body shutting down. He was already brain dead, and the body had to play catch up.

  9. Everyone’s forgetting that all of these incidents have been funded, encouraged and covered up by a handful of very wealthy, very evil individuals who have our destruction as their end game. Doesnt matter how many people on either side die, as long as the soul of our country is crushed! Conspiracy theory? I dont fu**in think so!

    • Right. Antifa was given upwards of 100 mil by Soros along with a long list of American corporations.

      • Correction: It was BLM that got the 100 mil. Both Antifa and BLM are so close together they are separate only on paper.

    • ….don’t think it’s too far-fetched to assume that there isn’t an overall plan at work here ….with established objectives that are beginning to reveal themselves…..

  10. F that. Anyone around here stealing is getting shot and the sheriff will pat them on the back. Have a few troopers and deputies in my neighborhood. Even my senior neighbors shoot ARs on the 4th and New Year’s. Guarantee commies will get jhp love if they try that crap here. Actual communist party guy was looking to hire armed veterans for protests in Columbia last month.
    Only thing about SC I can’t understand is no pepper spray over an ounce by law and no open carry/constitutional carry.
    My favorite lgs still doing $20 transfers. Love that old SOB.

    • You will note that the riots aren’t taking place in cities that take crime seriously. There IS a conspiracy, and some of the country’s governors and mayors are in on it.

  11. Look at what those so called principles that Sean O’Keefe stands for has led us to: Endless wars in the Asia and the Middle East, Capitulation to Iran and loss of our manufacturing industry to China.

    Let him vote for Biden he is more in line with his philosophy of America Second.

    • the guy is pretty transparent…and obvious…no need to dwell on it….he just longs for the good old days…in the swamp……

  12. that boy was just defending himself, anybody, that attracts an armed person is looking to get killed besides why are these idiots doing this both of the men they are rioting over would have still been alive if they had done as they were told to do and not resisted arrest the first one had a lethal amount of drugs in him and the other was just stuped

    • the kid should not have been out there alone…you never want to get isolated in those kind of situations….

  13. Well if you don’t your property burned down you are going to have to fight for it.

    The law doesn’t exist in the same way it did even just a year ago.

  14. Kenosha Police Chief: Don’t Want to Get Shot? Don’t Break Curfew

    Sounds like the Kenosha Police Chief “gets it”.

  15. If you wake up dead….Well that’s one thing but if you start walking around…..Now we have another sequel..!

    • “Walking Dead” about a mob of zombies that used to be rioters and looters before they got deaded.

      Dimocrap tv viewers would love it.

      • Hand out a strong batch of “bath salts” to the protesters. You’ll have your zombies soon enough.

  16. Seems simple enough.
    But then so does “don’t wrestle with cops and you won’t get shot” and we see how well that advice gets followed.

  17. Everyone seems to be hung up on the “he crossed state lines to …”. Note that he lives only 12 miles from Kenosha. The businesses in town that he went to try to protect were likely businesses he and his family patronized and he likely knew some of the owners. Also, after being released by the police, he just went home, never considering the “state line” issue, resulting in additional charges. Those of us who live near state borders can forget that that invisible line can have major consequences. I live even closer than 12 miles from the Massachusetts border in Connecticut and if I forget and cross that invisible line while carrying my handgun, which was perfectly 2 feet earlier, I suddenly commit a felony according to Massachusetts law. We can hope the judge also crosses the state line daily and can empathize.

      • yeah,..we wanted to go to Camden to check out the battleship one of my relatives served on…but decided it wasn’t worth the risk….

      • That’s checkpoint charley.
        The Wilson Bridge on 495 has a spot where MD, VA, and DC intersect. You have the same thing if you carry a gun across that spot.

        The cop called it New Germany. nice tongue in cheek.

    • The “crossed state lines” thing is relevant. I live three miles from the state line. My county was a “dry” county until 2016 when a referendum question made it a “wet” county. Countless people were busted, and some died, because they crossed the state line to do something that was legal there, but illegal here. Bootlegging alcohol carried serious consequences.

      I’ll agree with you if you say “it shouldn’t make a difference”, but in fact, it does make a difference.

  18. Note to terrorist wannabe’s: This isn’t a video game, or an Instagram photo op, its real life.

    Attack a man with a rifle, and he’ll shoot you. You’ll die.

    Attack a lawful gun owners property, and they’ll shoot you. You’ll die.

    Direct a moltov cocktail, brick, rock, gun, knife, club at a man defending himself with a firearm, he will shoot you and you will die.

    Your phone looks just like a handgun to someone who’s adrenaline is pumping, and who is shooting assailants, rioters, insurgents in self defense. If someone is shooting, take cover. Point a cameraphone at someone who is in the process of defending himself, you will likely get shot, and you will die.

  19. Reminder that him being 17 is 100% irrelevant. The Constitutions of the US and Wisconsin protect the right to bear arms without any age restriction given. Any legislation to the contrary is a legislature assuming undelgated powers, and as such is authoritative, void and no force.

    Also good luck trying to charge him as an adult while at the same time trying to use him not being an adult as an argument.

      • Before 1968 any 16 year old could buy a shotgun. Without their parents permission. And there didn’t commit mass murder back then either.

        • But you didn’t have a population of special snowflakes who have an exaggerated sense of entitlement and think their opinions are defining moments in world history.

    • Very true. If they charge murder as an adult how can he be charged as a minor for the fire stick?

      • the same way there are nonprofit organizations that make a profit, government-funded Public Radio that spews propaganda, anti-racists that hate White people, and so on

  20. Should he have crossed a state line to help protect property? That remains to be seen.
    We do know that people crossed state lines to riot and cause mayhem.
    If the one can, I’d say why not the other?

  21. The chief could deal with this but won’t or, more likely, has been ordered not to. The “protesters” are breaking curfew which makes them subject to arrest. Since there are more of them than there are police to take them into custody, police have the option to selectively arrest the ones actually rioting, vandalizing and looting. Very likely, they will resist arrest and they and their supporters will attack police with bricks, bottles, etc. Those qualify as deadly weapons which entitles the besieged officers to defend themselves with deadly force. Anyone in the crowd would be a legitimate target with those in front the biggest threat and the first to be shot.

    • found it hugely ironic that the one’s calling for defunding,..even eliminating…the police, were the first ones to call for assistance….

      • Yeah the irony. Oh Mr. Policeman, we hate you and want you defunded but can you arrest someone for us? We’ll stop shooting fireworks at you and throwing rocks long enough to have that kid arrested.

        Then it’s back with the water bottles and ball bearings.

      • You could hear one of the first things they said was “call the cops”
        (You’ve reached 911… Please be advised that due to defunding, cut backs and standing orders from politicians in charge the current response time is 63 hours 47 minutes, please stay on the line and your call will be handled by the next available operator)….

  22. One 17yo took down 3 hard core fascist thugs. 2 were confirmed criminals and the 3rd apparently was a wannabe murderer.

    I think antifa needs to rethink whether they really want this war or not. They ain’t doing so good.

    • They can back off or step it up. I suspect they are aski by those questions now and wondering if their Democrat supporters in government are going to help put down the people with guns who are fed up with this shit.

  23. Kyle Rittenhouse is a Patriot. Vacate all charges on the condition that he join the Marine Corps, or Navy.

    Maybe all Americans that object to these attacks on innocents should step in and help defend this country from domestic terrorists.

    • It’s been a while since we’ve had a good Field Commission. I’d’ve been proud to have him in my wardroom any day.

  24. Seems like a problem solved, those three peaceful protestors won’t be throwing bricks, breaking glass, looting, etc.

  25. Well Mr. police chief, if you and your police would have enforced the curfew, maybe none of this would have happened. Sitting on your ass in a vehicle and watching rioting and doing nothing is unforgivable and is not much better that what Scott Israel’s chickens did in Broward County. Do your damned job or resign.

  26. Kyle is just a child, at worse a juvenile offender youth, he needs to be found “involved” and sent to counseling until age 17.

  27. Kyle lives about 20 minutes from Kenosha, which was where he was raised and still had family living there (including his grandparents). A good friend of Kyle’s family asked him (and others) to help protect their car lot because it had been targeted the prior two nights.

    The two who died were convicted felons. The first dude who was shot and killed was a convicted and registered sex offender. The other one who was shot and killed was a chronic wife/girlfriend beater with MULTIPLE convictions for domestic violence and abuse, including strangulation.

    The other man (who lived) also has a felony record, including a previous conviction for carrying a gun illegally (he was a felon). He was the one who was standing over Kyle, pointing his gun at Kyle’s head. He still has not been charged with being a felon in possession of a gun.

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