Gun Review: HK SL8-6

As we’ve all learned – some more quickly than others — elections have consequences. Anybody with more than a room temperature I.Q. knew that a second Obama term probably meant new efforts to enact more gun control. All he and the other gun grabbers needed was a tragedy to exploit. So given recent political realities, it seems rather apropos to review the ultimate politically correct version of a modern military assault rifle: the HK SL8-6. Does it suck? Yes and no. Yes, if what you really wanted was a semi auto G-36. No, if you’re satisfied with a good semi-auto varmint/target rifle. In any event, I was able to do some extensive testing on this highly P.C. black rifle . . .

In the interest of full disclosure, let’s start with an AA meeting sort of confessional: I’m a semi-recovering HK fanboy. But if your formative years happened in the 1980s, how the hell could you NOT be an HK fanboy? After all, in the 80’s and 90s HK virtually dominated both the military and police markets. Pretty much every red-blooded American gun guy lusted for HK-stamped Teutonic steel, roller actions, paddle releases, and drum sights.


The cult of HK entered the subconscious of the American gun culture when black-clad, gas-mask-adorned commandos from the legendary British Special Air Service (“SAS”) used HK MP5s to excellent effect in Operation Nimrod, on May 5, 1980. It was fairly epic: a high-profile action in which SAS operators stormed the Iranian Embassy in London to recover hostages, killing five hostage-takers in the process. The entire drama played out on live TV to a stunned world. As a young twelve year old, I remember watching the evening news and seeing the SAS commandos rappel down the side of the building and apply a breaching charge to the outer wall. A sense of duty, honor and country overcame me. In my mind, I needed those weapons.

Once the dust settled, the SAS had cemented its reputation as the premier counterterrorism unit in the world. And HKs suddenly became the undisputed weapon of choice of the best-of-the-best spear-tip types. This, in spite of the fact that one of the MP5’s experienced a FTF, leaving SAS commando Sergeant Tommy Palmer to dispatch a terrorist with his Browning High Power 9mm. Regardless, for the next twenty years, Hollywood studios showcased uber-cool MP5s and PSG-1s in virtually every military and police shoot-em-up movie. And gun guys like myself lapped up every minute of it. Pining for HK toys became a national gun-guy pastime.

However, by the late-1990s, it seemed that HK was in a funk. They lost prominence as MP-5s were discarded en masse by law enforcement in favor of the M-16/AR-15 platform. HK customer service (for non-LEOs/Military) was a hit-or-miss proposition and availability of spare parts was often…well…dicey.  It also seemed that the guy at any given gun show with the biggest selection of HK spare parts was the biggest nut job in the room. And his prices always gave you the illusion that he thought he was sitting on the last remaining HK parts in existence.

Adding to the confusion was HK’s rapid-fire releases of pistol designs over the past 12 years or so: USP’s, P2000s, P30s, HK 45s, Mark 23s. All were competent enough, but like a Louis Vuitton wallet, it was difficult to conclude that they were worth all that coin. Despite a huge lucrative government contract,, none of the HK pistols gained the same degree of iconic status that their previous offerings had enjoyed. In fact, some concepts downright fell flat.

Despite all that, HK continues to secure beaucoup government contracts, including one to supply the U.S. Marine Corps with M27s to replace the M249 SAW at the squad level. And HK again re-gained its legendary status as the go-to weapon of choice of the special operations forces when a Navy SEAL DEVGRU operator used an HK 416 to put two bullets into Osama Bin Laden’s brain on May 1, 2011.  (To whomever you are: thanks). Whether these accolades are enough to restore the HK mystique amongst the American shooting public remains to be seen. But, as discussed below, the HK SL8-6 won’t be the gun that accomplishes that goal.

G-36: The SL8’s Daddy

Albeit somewhat neutered, the SL8-6 is, at its core, a G-36 so the genesis of the G-36 warrants mention. The end of the cold war left Germany’s Heckler & Koch holding the bag on their multi-million dollar G-11 project. With no sales and no potential government clients willing to spend millions on an expensive experimental assault rifle, HK’s future was uncertain. Things were bad enough that it took an infusion of capital from — of all sources — British Aerospace, to restore HK’s balance sheet.

Nonetheless, cold war or not, Germany’s Bundeswehr still needed a replacement for its aging HK G-3 (HK-91) battle rifles and the G-36 was born out of this unmet need.

Although newer designs such as the FN SCAR and Beretta ACX-160 now seem poised to eclipse it, the G-36 is an amazing piece of kit. It’s modular and field convertible. It uses a high-strength, carbon fiber-reinforced polymer receiver and hand grip, a folding butt stock and an aluminum carry handle/sight assembly. Perhaps most significant from an operational standpoint, the G-36 is fully ambidextrous and relatively lightweight at 7.7 lbs. The ambidextrous cocking lever can be used both as a forward assist and can be “rode” to silently chamber a round. The bolt will hold to the rear on an empty magazine and, if the operator prefers, the bolt hold open device can be manually disabled by the operator sans tools.

The G-36 is highly controllable in full-auto, a fact attributable to the bolt’s low mass and the the in-line relationship of the barrel and buttstock. And it’s easy to clean, too. Unlike most previous military assault rifles, the G36 gas system doesn’t direct fouling back into the weapon’s action, ensuring excellent reliability. HK states in its promotional material that the G-36 can go 15,000 rounds without cleaning. That’s right, 15,000 rounds.

The G-36 is now in operational use with dozens of military groups throughout the world, including Germany and Spain.

Neutering the G-36 for the ’94 AWB

Heckler & Koch released the SL8-1 to the U.S. in 1999 at a price point of $1250. Given that the SL-8 is essentially a civilian incarnation of the G-36, one might have expected a warm reception from the U.S. gun-buying public. But the SL8 had been altered significantly to downplay the “assault” and increase the “sporting” or “target” nature of the rifle. Combine that with a high MSRP, limited availability, dealer price gouging, a lack of aftermarket accessories and crushing competition from AR-15 manufacturers and perhaps, in hindsight, it’s not surprising the reception was lukewarm at best.

HK designed the SL8-6 during the dark period of the Clinton-era Assault Weapon Ban “AWB.” (1994-2004). As a result, it has three PC features intended to make it less scary to gun-grabbers who know virtually nothing about guns and how they work. Most notably, the SL8-6 features an annoyingly non-ergonomic thumbhole stock, instead of a scary pistol grip and a shoulder thingie that goes up (or to the right, as the case may be).

Second, the SL8-6 ditches the double-stack magazines of the G-36 in favor of proprietary, safe-for-kids 10-round, single-stackers. The factory 10-round magazine is made of a translucent polymer material. The magazine is somewhat stiff and difficult to load, but functions with a high degree of efficiency. If you view the SL8-6 as a bench target or a varmint rifle, the 10-round capacity won’t matter much to you. But this is a particularly obnoxious feature if what you’re really seeking is a semi-auto G-36. Yes, you can convert the SL8-6 to a G-36 configuration by substituting a bunch of U.S. parts. Unfortunately, the conversion is both intensive and expensive.

Third, to give the SL8-6 less of an “assault rifle” feel, HK replaced the lightweight 18.9 inch barrel of the G-36 with a 20.8 inch medium-heavy contour barrel with a 1×7 twist. The barrel’s free floated from the receiver out past the removable forend. The heavy barrel alters the rifle’s balance, making it front-heavy. Again, varmint shooters won’t care, but it makes the rifle ill-suited for fire and maneuver situations or 3-gun matches.

One final PC feature is the caliber designation. The marking “Kal. .223 Rem.” is emblazoned on the side the rifle in large lettering. However, hidden away on a portion of the trigger guard that’s behind the receiver when the gun is assembled is the inscription “Kal 5.56 x 45.” Hmmm…anyone care to speculate on that one?


As I stated earlier, the match-contour chrome-lined barrel on the SL8-6 is 20.8 inches long and has a slight taper (from .84 inches at the breech to .79 inches at the muzzle). In fact, the SL8-6 has a heavier barrel contour than the MG36, which is the light machine gun variant of the G36.

The barrel is ideally suited to long range precision shooting and high-volume varmint hunting. Unlike my pencil-barreled HK-93, the SL8-6 doesn’t experience any POI shift after rapid-fire 60 rounds. It has an aggressively recessed crown that should do a good job of protecting the critical areas of the muzzle face. I thought the pattern made by the burnt powder was kinda cool.

Bolt Carrier Group

The SL8-6’s bolt carrier group is one of the most interesting components on this rifle. It’s more or less a rectangular block of steel, which vastly differs from the cylindrical shape of my AR-15. My understanding is that rectangular and flat-shaped components are becoming more popular with gun manufacturers these days because of the wide use of CNC machining. The AR-15’s cylindrical bolt carrier, on the other hand, was designed in a pre-CNC era, and would have been cheaper to produce in the 1960s because it could be turned on a lathe with great precision.

I’ve always been into studying gun designs, and I find it very interesting to trace the evolution of any gun’s design back to its historical roots. In this case, the SL8-6’s bolt carrier group design harkens back to the mid-1960’s.  The core design is first found on the Armalite AR-18/AR-180. Here’s a photo of the AR-180 design for comparison:

Those of you who own a FN SCAR may find it interesting to know that the SCAR and the HK G-36/SL8 have a lot of common DNA. Yep, they’re practically brothers, as shown below in this photo comparison of SCAR 16 and HK SL8-6 bolt carriers. (the SCAR bolt is the darker one on the top):

The bolt on the SL8-6 also shares some common lineage with the AR-15. Again, this bolt was designed by Eugene Stoner while he was an engineer at Armalite. In the left hand photo below, you can see a comparison between the locking lugs of the bolts of an AR-15 (left) and a HK SL8-6 (right).  Note that one of the lugs has been shaved off of the SL8-6 bolt so that it will not work with double-stack magazines.

Those of you familiar with the bolt design of an AR-15 will immediately recognize the similarities with the SL8-6’s bolt. In the right hand photo above, one can see how the AR bolt (black, on right) also serves as a gas piston, whereas the piston on the SL8-6 is a separate part.

I was surprised to see that the SL8-6’s firing pin is much thinner than the one found on an AR. It looks like it would be pretty flimsy, but there’s no history of systemic problems with the G-36 firing pin.

Gas/Piston System

One of the things I really love about the SL8-6 is the gas system. I spent a lot of time in the Army cleaning M16A1s, A2s and M4s, and frankly, it got really old. A traditional AR uses a “direct impingement” design which blows all of the hot gases back into the bolt carrier group.  This eventually gums up the action, especially when firing blanks.

After about 300 rounds, the inside of an AR-15 looks like a chimney. And after 1000-1500 rounds, stoppages can start to occur. With modern cleaning tools and a power drill, I can do a pretty decent job of cleaning an AR-15 in about 2 hours. In the military, we typically didn’t have good cleaning equipment and it typically took 4-6 hours to get a gun clean enough for the unit Armorer to accept it. I remember once when they didn’t take back for 12 hours – the inspector poked Q-tips in the deep recesses of the rifle, and if any black showed up on a Q-tip, the weapon was rejected. Ugh.

The HK G-36/SL8-6 changes all that. According to HK’s promotional materials, the G-36/SL8-6 can fire 15,000 rounds before it needs to be cleaned. I can’t say that I would recommend going that long between cleaning the barrel, but the point is that the action is not going to gum up in the same way that that M-16 can.  And that’s a good thing.

The assembly consists of a piston, a piston rod, piston spring, piston rod plate, and operating rod.  The piston is identical to the one used on the HK 416 / MR556. The system is tough, proven, and easy to clean. Note that the piston has the same three little gas rings that are found on the AR-15 bolt head.  Whereas the standard AR blows all of the hot gas into the bolt carrier group (where the gas is used to move the bolt head), the HK G-36, HK SL8-6, and SCAR 16 all trap all of the hot gas at the piston, thereby keeping it out of the action.

Scope Rail/Carry Handle

Unlike the SL8-1, the SL8-6 gives up the pretense of using iron sights by dropping the stretched-out top rail. Rather, the SL8-6 is primarily intended to be used with optics.  However, the factory scope rail is needlessly high, and hence moves the centerline of the scope far too high above the ability of the cheek piece with the stock hardware.

I’m frankly at a loss to understand why HK designed the factory rail as high as they did.  I ended up replacing the factory rail with a UTG low profile rail (shown mounted on gun above, with factory rail shown for comparison).


As an HK fanboy, it pains me to say this, but the SL8-6’s ergs just plain suck. Think Kirby vacuum cleaner level of suckage. I don’t have particularly large hands, but the thumbhole stock is shaped in such a fashion that the middle phalange portion of my trigger finger contacts the trigger, not the distal phalange. At the same time, I can’t even reach the safety on the left side of the rifle with my right thumb.

Fortunately, I’ve learned how to work around the later problem by manipulating the safety on the right side of the rifle using the right index finger metacarpus bone. But still… it’s not ideal, especially for a guy who is very familiar with AR ergonomics. On the flip-side, I do appreciate the fact that the safety is fully ambidextrous.

The cheek piece comes with one spacer, which barely raises the cheek piece up to the level where you could use iron sights – You will want to get the optics down as low as possible. No scopes with 56mm bells for this bad boy:  you will want to go with straight tubes or 40mm (or less) bells.

At least the stock is black in color, unlike the unpopular (but less scary) gray color on earlier versions. The stock features stackable cheek pieces and is adjustable for length of pull:  two features that make it which make it ideal for bench shooting.

The rifle ships with one stock spacer. Unfortunately, I really need three or four to completely fill in the gap, but extra spacers do not seem to be available at the moment.  HK needs to get its shit together when it comes to spare parts.  You would think they would have this figured out by now: didn’t the Germans lose WWII in part because of a lack of spare parts and gas?

Trigger Assembly

If you are an old-school shooter who is used to steel and walnut, you will be amazed at how much of the HK SL8-6 is actually made out of plastic. Looking down into the trigger mechanism, most of what you see is plastic, including the trigger!  The hammer is even made out of a plastic with metal inserts in the high-wear areas.


The factory HK magazines for the SL8-6 are single-stack 10-round magazines and are made of a smoke-colored translucent polymer and I’d rate them very highly in terms of durability. Before the recent gun-buying hysteria, spare magazines typically cost $45-60 bucks a piece, depending on who you get them from. Currently I don’t think any are available anywhere, at any price.

Loading from a stripper clip is impossible. The magazine is designed with only one lip, so the round has to be inserted downward from the front half of the magazine and then slid to the rear. Think pistol magazines. As a practical matter, loading the magazine requires both hands: you hold the mag in your left hand and use your left thumb to push down on the last round, while using your right hand to push the round downward and then to the rear. The process starts off easy but it’s fairly difficult to get that last round in the magazine.

The bolt holds open on an empty magazine. The recoil impulse is way different when the last round is fired, too, so you immediately know that the gun is empty.

Aftermarket single stack 20-round Dupont Zytel polymer mags are available from Pro-Mag. Generally, Pro-Mag has a well-deserved reputation for sucking, but amazingly, they managed to get it right in this case. Although I prefer the translucent factory 10-round magazines, I can find no fault in the well-executed Pro-Mags. I will also admit that it’s occasionally fun to let loose with twenty rounds as fast as you can pull the trigger; the SL8-6 is remarkable controllable due to its heft and the low barrel axis.


One of the hallmarks of a modern rifle is the requirement for ease of disassembly and a lack of small parts. For example, the two pins that hold the upper and lower receiver on an M-16 together are captured so that you can’t lose them in the field. Although the same pins on the HK-93 are non-captured, the HK 93’s buttstock features two holes that the operator can use to store the pins while the gun is disassembled.

And speed of reassembly is everything: in my prime I could fully assemble a mix of field-striped M-16, M1911, and M-60 parts in less than three minutes. That wouldn’t be possible if these guns had a ton of small parts or required tools. The bottom line: small parts suck and the less a combat rifle has, the better. And the guns must be designed so that there’s no need to use the any tools to complete the process.

So when I look at the HK SL8-6, I’m frustrated by the fact that it requires a tool to take down and the pins aren’t optimized for field disassembly. Not only are they not captured, there are three separate fastening systems used on the SL8-6. What’s wrong with using the same type of pin for all three purposes like a real G-36? And why not incorporate a compartment to store a couple extra pins in the event one is broken or lost? In any event, here are some pictures to detail the pins:

First, two Allen cap screws ($13) hold the receiver and stock assembly. Two additional screws of the same type hold the buttplate to the buttstock.

Second, a spring locking push pin ($35) holds the trigger group/stock to the magazine well and receiver:

Third, a loop sling attachment/threaded pin and (easy to lose) nut that holds the hand guard to the receiver: lose that little bastard and you’re going to be out $47 (plus shipping). For 47 bucks that damn pin better have been personally blessed by the Pope.

One good thing about the HK SL8-6 is the fact that, unlike an AK, you don’t have to take apart the action to get at the gas system. Rather, the hand guard slides off of the front of the rifle, exposing the gas piston for cleaning. Once that end of the rifle is cleaned and reassembled, the two Allen cap screws can be unscrewed using an Allen wench. Once removed, the butt stock, trigger group and recoil spring can be removed. The bolt carrier assembly will then slide out of the back of the rifle.


After shooting the SL8-6 for a few months, I’m of the opinion that it’s capable of being a ½ MOA gun…if you can master the trigger. Unfortunately that is a big ‘if.’  The trigger is simply not as good as a typical bolt gun trigger or even a high-end AR-15 trigger made by folks like Timney, Geiselle, Wilson Combat, or Chip McCormick. I found myself messing up quite a few of my groups because of trigger-related operator errors.

Perhaps that would occur less frequently if I concentrated on shooting the HK instead of bringing multiple guns to the range. In other words, I think that by shooting it side by side with bolt guns featuring lighter, better triggers, it’s harder for me to get great groups on the HK. Still, I shoot scores of different rifles, and this one shoots more like an assault rifle and less like a target rifle. That’s bad because the SL8-6 is supposed to have a trigger optimized for target shooting.

Using 6-power scopes such as the IOR Valdada Super M2 and the Bushnell 1 x 6.5 x 24 Elite Tactical, most of my “good” groups fall in the ¾ inch range at 100 yards, with some sub-½ inch groups (a personal best measured .43 inches.).  However, when I slapped a 3×9 power scope on the gun, my “good” groups immediately shrunk to almost ½ inch.  The rifle showed a distinct preference for bullets in the 55-69 grain weight range. It even shot sub-MOA using inexpensive Korean-made PMC Gold 55 grain FMJ.

On the other hand, most of the groups I shot with 77 grain match ammo were in the 1.5 to 2 MOA range, although I did manage to shoot what in retrospect may have been a lucky .91 inch group at 300 yards using 77 grain ammo. But I could not duplicate that group in further testing.

I also had less luck getting 40 grain bullets to group sub-MOA – I think the 1 in 7 twist rate is likely not optimized for those little bullets. Most of the groups with 40 grain bullets were in the 1 to 1.3 inch range. With all bullets, I had an unusually high number of flyers hitting to the left by an inch or more (samples below), which I attribute to the frustrating trigger. 


As you can probably tell, I have mixed feelings on the HK SL8-6. On the one hand, it’s a very accurate semi-automatic target/varmint rifle that offers the quick-cleaning benefits that a short-throw piston brings to the table. On the other hand, the gun fails on so many of the little details: the weird, boogered-up ergonomics, the annoying Allen cap screws that require a tool to disassemble and the too-tall top rail.  As an additional negative, you have to be something of a masochist to be an HK guy: there is a general lack of availability of spare parts and accessories for these guns, and when you are lucky enough to find them, they are horribly overpriced.

Having said that, the Heckler & Koch SL8-6 has two things that most other production rifles lack: the “H” and the “K” symbols boldly emblazoned in red on the buttstock. If you’re an HK fanboy or collector like me, that’s reason enough to get one. Some notable exceptions aside, HK stuff that’s produced in low numbers tends to become more valuable with time (think: HK-93’s, HK SP-89’s, 94’s, P7K3s etc.).  On the other hand, if you’re looking for your one-and-only semi-auto precision rifle chambered in .223 Rem. (5.56 x 45mm), then the AR platform is superior in virtually every respect. As to whether or not HK really thinks you suck and hates you, I’ll leave that up to you.      


Caliber: Marked as “.223 Rem. on the rifle,” but both the manual and the marking on the inside of the buttstock says that’s it’s really a 5.56×45 (NATO)
Barrel: 20” with a 1 in 7 right hand twist
Length: 38.6 inch overall length, stock adjustable
Weight: 8.6 lbs. empty
Operation: Gas operated, short stroke piston (tappet rod) action, rotary locking bolt
Metal Finish: HK’s fancy-pants version of parkerizing, bolt and piston are hard chromed
Capacity: 10 round detachable magazines. Aftermarket 20 rd magazines are available from Pro-Mag.
Price:  Even before the recent hysteria, prices are all over the map on this rifle. HK discontinued the SL-8 in 2011 as a result of relatively slow sales. On last release, the SL8-6 had hovered in the $1800-$2400 depending on how big of an a-hole your LGS owner was. Recently started to come down as distributors clear out their remaining inventories.  CDNN sold a bunch of these rifles for $1399, but theirs only came with one factory mag and a 20 round Pro-Mag. Thus, $1500-1600 was a fair price before the panic buying.

Ratings (Out of Five Stars):

Accuracy: * * * * 1/2
The medium-heavy barrel gives this rifle good accuracy. Using two different 6 power scopes, groups averaged roughly .75 inches at 100 yards (not counting groups that included called flyers). When I added more magnification, groups shrunk to just over .5 MOA.  The trigger was difficult to master, however, which contributed to the high number of flyers.

Ergonomics: *  
This is one of the critical shortfalls of the SL8-6. The thumbhole stock is badly designed.  The rifle is also front heavy, as the barrel constitutes the bulk of the weight of the rifle.

Reliability: * * * * *
I lubed the action with Froglube and have experienced no failures of any kind. None.  Nada. Perfect.

Durability:  * * * *  
Overall, the HK SL8-6 appears to be highly durable. There have been reports of hairline cracks forming on the butt stock of early SL8-1 models, which warrants a one point deduction. It appears that HK has solved this problem on later models.

Customization: * * *
There aren’t a lot of aftermarket accessories for the SL8-6.  Factory accessories include the buttstock spacer; cheek piece spacer; G36C/SL8-1 short picatinny rail; G36/SL8-1 and  front & rear Tritium sight set (green front dot with two-dot green rear sight).  UTG makes an excellent lo-rise picatinny carry handle. Pro-mag manufacturers a competent 20-round single-stack black polymer magazine. sells picatinny rails for the bottom and sides of eth handguard. Knights Armament used to sell an aluminum fore end for the SL8-6, but I did not see that part on their current web-site. Other than the aforementioned items, you are on your own.

Overall: * * *       
These days, there’s nothing that compares to the AR-15 platform in terms of overall flexibility, accuracy, trigger performance, aftermarket parts, accessories and overall performance. When done right, ARs are reliable and durable. Even the FN SCAR beats out the HK SL8-6 in most categories, accuracy being the only notable exception. So even being the HK fanboy that I am, the SL8-6 only rates three stars.


  1. avatar Frowder says:

    I see what you did there. In the Magazines section. : )

    1. avatar Joe Grine says:

      Good eye!

      1. avatar Eric says:

        Ha. Great review Joe.

  2. avatar jwm says:

    Looks like what the colonial marines trained Ripley to use.

  3. avatar Thomas Paine says:

    “I’m frankly at a loss to understand why HK designed the factory rail as high as they did.”
    because europeans don’t understand cheekweld. it’s more like chinweld.
    Imagine my dismay when i put short rings on a cz bolt action and the bolt handle hits the scope. WTF!

  4. avatar Thomas Paine says:

    how many parts do you need for 922r compliance for conversion?
    or you could just get a g36 trigger group and buttstock and dremel ‘made in the usa’ on them. or not.

  5. avatar Lance says:

    Overall good history. But in the early 90s to replace the G-3 the Germans tried the HK 41 which was a HK 33 in 5.56mm but can take NATO M-16 mags. But politics and defense cuts due to the demise of East Germany doomed the project.

    Over G-36s and SL-8s died in the USA because of the M-4 series. just as reliable and more accurate and far more accessories for them. Gresham OR PD had G-36s for a couple of years BUT ditched them for M-4s from Colt. parts where too hard to find mags the Dept bought had a mountain of ATF paper work to buy and it offered nothing over the AR-15 and M-4s that every other PD used. Same reason SOCOM ditched the SCAR L in 2010 was it offered nothing over the M-4A1 SOPMOD. SO if your military collector this may be as close to a G-36 you can get but for most shooters a good AR-15 is far far better.

  6. avatar Lance says:

    I do like HK get a VP-70 review going pls.

  7. avatar Rambeast says:

    “…because you suck, and we hate you.”

    I’ll stick with something that weighs less than 8lbs, allows for more per shooter optimization, has a proven reliable design, can be easily modified to shoot alternative calibers, and costs 1/2 as much.

    My main AR comes WAY under the cost of this rifle even after I completely customized it to fit my stature and shooting style.

    1. avatar Rambeast says:

      P.S.- I noticed the reversed round in the mag pic. Can a reversed round be easily pushed down into the mag and still allow for more to follow on top? If so, you might not want to reload mags in low light under tense conditions…

      1. avatar Joe Grine says:

        No, a reversed round can’t be pushed into an SL8-6 mag. Obviously, I just added it to the pic as a joke. For HK guys, its the rough equivalent of a trekker greeting.

      2. avatar Digital Boy says:

        The reversed round in the OEM H&K magazine is a nod to a very famous (in gunnie circles at least) blunder on the cover of an H&K catalog.

        Here’s the original oops, for reference:

    2. avatar Joe Grine says:

      Yeah, all that about your (and my) AR’s is true. But its still not an HK!

  8. avatar Jeh says:

    Letting you convert your over-priced plastic G36 into something even worse and more expensive
    Because you sucks and we hate you

  9. avatar g says:

    I’m not an H&K fan boy (no UMP or MP7 for you!), but this is very well-written review with great pics.

    I enjoyed your section on the bolt carrier group. Very educational!

    1. avatar Gyufygy says:

      Agreed! Very thorough, well-written review of a rifle with identity issues.

      H&K makes the strangest decisions, sometimes. At least the civilian 416 seems to have made the transition relatively unmolested. Unaffordable, but still unmolested.

  10. avatar AlphaGeek says:

    I like me some HKs, and when I picked up the SL8, I knew… that I would never, ever buy one. The setup just didn’t feel right in any respect, especially that damn thumbhole stock.

  11. avatar jim says:

    Fun review! For a neat read about the G36, check out Lee Child’s “The Hard Way.” Jack Reacher (the manly one, not the scrawny little Scientegeek) is trapped in a British farmhouse beseiged by psycho mercs with MP5s. Fortuantely, the good guys managed to score some G36s from a bent Army quartermaster in Belguim. It takes all day and a backhoe to bury the bodies….

  12. avatar William says:

    I’m interested in the derivation of the phrase “piece of kit”; does anyone know where it originated, and why?

    Also, I was under the impression that Flectarn was long gone for the Bundeswehr. It’s not a bad pattern, particularly in the Sudanese “tropical” version (does the Bundeswehr synonomize “tropics” and “desert”, which the pattern is clearly for?

    1. avatar jim says:

      “Kit” is Brit for “gear.”

  13. avatar Schwarmenius says:

    I’m kinda embarrassed to admit this . . . but I kinda actually-maybe-sorta-kinda-like those old grey SL8 stocks >.<

  14. avatar Ropingdown says:

    What an admirable review. Especially liked the bolt comparisons and photos. Definitely learned something. I believe BEA Systems divested H&K 8 or 9 years ago. I myself am 39 years out from cleaning an M16 and M60 at night, but I have happy news: A completely (all parts) NiB-plated bolt carrier group makes an AR much quicker to clean, a breeze. Spikes Tactical or other, or brew your own. Thanks again.

  15. avatar Tom 9 says:

    An excellent and highly detailed review. I don’t mean to be pedantic but the long awaited and much deserved death of Osama Bin Laden took place on May 2, 2011. Keep up the good work.

    1. avatar Joe Grine says:

      Thanks, correction made. Man, time sure does fly. seems like it just happened yesterday.

  16. avatar James says:

    I’ve always liked thumb-hole stocks, but this one looks pretty rough cut, so I understand your hatred for it.

  17. avatar Will says:

    My understanding has it, if you mod that SL-8 to look exactly like a G-36 (and it IS possible to do so), you would run afoul of the ’68 GCA where you would in essence be creating a gun that was assembled “from imported parts of rifles that could not themselves be imported.”

    It sucks that HK has such an attitude. I like the G-36, the SL-8 (or SL 8-#, R-8 or SL-9SD) not so much as it isn’t the same rifle cosmetically.

  18. avatar James Krukowski says:

    I did enjoy my time with the SL8-6, but I believe other variants of the same weapon are, overall, aesthetically and ergonomically better; such as the SL8-5. That being said, I tend to give H&K a lot of leeway and I am a ‘fanboy’ of their products. Personally (others are sure to disagree on my opinion here) I’ve always found their firearms, accessories and kit to be the most enjoyable and fun.
    Though, as a Brit who moved to the States, I wonder how much of that is just European-turf-defense.
    I do have a huge space in my heart for the G36, however and despite aesthetic and ergonomic difference, I did feel the SL8 series does have the same ‘feel’ to it, though I’m not sure others would agree. Maybe its just a H&K ‘Rifle-Thing’.
    I would love to get my hands on the R8, a bolt-action model that was allowed into the UK with its more stringent gun laws, however I’ve literally never seen one. Nor talked to anyone who has used one, but I think it’d be a cracker to let a few rounds off with.

    Still, back to the review; fantastic work! I’ve read here quite a bit but never commented, hopefully I’ll kick around a bit more. Well done, Joe.

  19. avatar Kratisto says:

    The heavy trigger you mention can be made better with a different spring. There are some small parts not sold in the US but that can be obtained online from european webshops.

    See this thread:

  20. avatar Krishanu says:

    I’m just a schoolboy with a fascination with guns… I don’t really know much abt guns but i’d like to ask you this, Why doesn’t H&K develop the XM8??? I read abt its specs in wiki and also abt a comparison test against a SCAR, M4, M16 etc. And it came out on top beating the others on all fields by miles… Even then the M8 was termed an experimental weapon and was not further developed… Can you plzzz help me out???

  21. avatar Alex says:

    Thanks for the review, I enjoyed it

  22. avatar Dave says:

    I enjoyed reading your review. I have an SL-8-1. It is very accurate. I am looking for a bipod like the one in your review pictures. Can you tell me who makes it?

  23. avatar John Hope says:

    “Adding to the confusion was HK’s rapid-fire releases of pistol designs over the past 12 years or so: USP’s, P2000s, P30s, HK 45s, Mark 23s. All were competent enough, but like a Louis Vuitton wallet, it was difficult to conclude that they were worth all that coin. Despite a huge lucrative government contract,, none of the HK pistols gained the same degree of iconic status that their previous offerings had enjoyed. In fact, some concepts downright fell flat.”

    I could not agree more. Ive never bought into the notion that HK’s pistols from the 80’s. 90’s and early 2000’s were so much superior than anything else on the market. Or bought into the asinine price they demanded for pistols with really poor triggers that had ridiculous take up, awful over travel and a trigger that in general was loose, was all over the place and unpredictable. And clunky, heavy, bulky utilitarian frames that were designed for abuse and constant riggers, as opposed to ergonomics and mobility. And none were known to be super accurate or precise shooters. In a lot of aspects the Ruger P series were very similar to the HK pistols at 1/5 of the cost, they just didnt have HK stamped on them. What most people never realized was HK made OFFENSIVE pistols, not DEFENSIVE pistols. They are military pistols. They are pistols designed for special forces units, ect. And 99% of the civilian population will never need an offensive pistol or use the HK’s for what they were really designed to be used for. Unless your going door to door, gun drawn, shooting people. They have released a couple of pistols (P30, VP9, newer HK45’s) that are more civilian, ergo and trigger friendly and geared more toward the general public. And the prices have dropped on those. Which makes no sense because they are improvements over the older designs. I have shot almost all of their older pistols and i can tell you without question, there is nothing special or groundbreaking about any of them. They are just solid chunks of metal that will withstand abuse. And certainly not worth the money they demanded for them.

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