“In most cases, the gun removal task force chooses the route of persuasion. Anderson says that means a lot of time on the phone, talking to the gun owners’ lawyers — and their family. ‘We call people’s moms, we call their aunt, we call their uncle,’ he says. ‘And we explain to them, ‘look, he’s not just a risk to the victims, and he’s a risk to himself. And it’s just better if we have the guns.'” – What It Takes To Get Guns Out Of The Wrong Hands [via npr.org]
Meanwhile in Kentucky: (Yes I know I posted this elsewhere but seriously Kentuckians on here need to see this and need to start bugging the crap out of their state reps to get the School Marshal bill passed!)
Just hours after the shooting, his Republican colleague, state Sen. Steve West, rushed to file a bill to put more guns in schools.
His legislation would let local districts hire armed marshals to patrol public schools, make citizen’s arrests and protect people from “imminent death or serious physical injury.”
Marshals wouldn’t have to be police officers, but school district employees in good standing who have a license to carry concealed weapons.
West’s bill is one of at least two in the state that would allow more guns into Kentucky’s public schools and college campuses. They reflect a sentiment that has found bipartisan support.
“We need armed officers in every school in Kentucky. That is a small price to pay if it saves one child’s life,” state Sen. Ray Jones, a Democrat, said.
In the conservative state where politicians routinely pose in ads with guns, the National Rifle Association has an outsized influence in many state elections and the resulting gun policy debates in those legislatures.
Some Democrats, however, believe the push for more guns is misplaced.
Democratic Rep. Attica Scott from Louisville said she is “definitely an advocate for gun safety and to me more guns is not the answer to gun violence.”
Scott has filed legislation that would ban those convicted of hate crimes from carrying a gun and let local governments pass laws requiring gun sellers to use “responsible business practices.”
“We are sending prayers and thoughts to kids who are clinging to the last bit of faith they have in the system of government that is supposed to keep them safe.”
Meanwhile, Democratic Rep. Jim Wayne of Louisville has filed a bill that would make it a crime for adults to “recklessly” store a gun without a trigger lock, a measure aimed at preventing children and teenagers from obtaining access to their parents’ guns.
Note the only two against it are from Louisville and democrats… Since Louisville has been a big blue bastion for decades it doesn’t surprise me a bit.
and here’s the parent article link: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/27/reporter-at-kentucky-shooting-learned-that-suspect-was-her-son.html
Kentuckians start emailing, calling, mailing, and harassing your state senators now and get them to support a real common sense initiative to protect our children in schools.
Unfortunately, there is NO percentage in complaining about the police taking guns from prohibited persons.
We have a “Prohibited-Persons” law. (We are NOT entirely satisfied with it, but that is a separate topic.) Now, the court has declared Joe to be a P-P. There is nothing unlawful or unconstitutional about proceeding responsibly to collect his guns. I hasten to add that there is nothing to stop Joe from getting another gun; most likely, collecting the guns he has at any given moment is a waste of effort.
We PotG need to decide whether we want the light shining on ourselves – the peaceable, law-abiding gun owners – or on the criminals. I vote for the latter. Our main issue with Public Relations ought to be: ‘Leave us alone; go after the criminals!’ It is counter-productive for us to say: ‘Leave the criminals alone’.
The Prohibited-Person law(s) need an overhaul. They are over-inclusive; nonsensical.
Some of us argue that no P-P law could conceivably be Constitutional. This is irrational and bad P-R. The provision that makes a P-P any American who renounces his citizenship is clearly Constitutional. The 2A right runs to “the People”; and, it’s hard to argue that an ex-American continues to be a member of the class “the People”. That one provision is also silly. Ex-patriots are (for the most part) no threat to the public.
It’s impossible to persuade either SCOTUS or the public that felons can’t be deprived of their 2A rights. It IS conceivable to persuade voters (and then Congressmen) that non-violent felons ought to be removed from the P-P law. That’s a place to start. (After all, certain financial felons such as price-fixers are already exempt).
It’s really tough to explain why a P-P who is violent ought to be allowed to keep his guns. I am NOT saying it’s impossible in selective cases; it’s just TOUGH. Why spend our P-R resources on the most difficult of problems when we would be better off working on the low-hanging fruit?
What do you mean? Courts have found that the Constitution applies to non-citizen people living outside the US with no connection to the US who merely want to visit.
Not withstanding that, once you give all the concessions you’re proposing to give the gun grabbers they’ll simply start chipping away at your rights too by constantly expanding who is a prohibited person and abusing the system. Pretty soon living on the same block as a prohibited person will be enough to have your firearms taken away because the prohibited person could borrow or steal yours. That’s of course assuming they don’t just find a way to label you a prohibited person.
You can’t compromise and make nice with people who are not rational actors operating in good faith. They don’t want to take firearms just from prohibited persons / criminals. You want to concede them a bureaucratic legal framework for gun confiscation from “criminals” that they can readily abuse later. The left is very good at weaponizing a bureaucracy against it’s political opponents. Look no further than the IRS, EPA, FEC, etc.
If I was suicidal or homicidal I’d make a big show of handing in all my guns with a giant shit eating grin on my face then proceed to beat, burn, stab, crush a few people to death right before leaping to my own.
And it’d be okay because once they got to the afterlife Peter Gabriel would see none were shot and he’d send them back to live the rest of their lives.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/01/27/reporter-at-kentucky-shooting-learned-that-suspect-was-her-son.html
Kentuckians start emailing, calling, mailing, and harassing your state senators now and get them to support a real common sense initiative to protect our children in schools.
How long does it take the bad man to cover 21 feet?
How long does it take the average user of this effed up product to draw? Even if they have the gun out, how long does it take for them to point, and figure out how many times to pull which trigger to make it go spray? And EVEN IF it’s a perfect application of product, how long does it take to incapacitate the BG? 30 seconds? Yeah, I’ve watched plenty of people in training go 30 seconds or MORE beating on a BG in a RedMan suit before they could go no more.
And then there’s the whole issue of carrying something that 99.9% of the population would identify as a gun.
9-1-1: What is your emergency?
Bystander: There’s a person with a gun at 26th and California.
9-1-1: We’re sending officers. What’s the suspect description?
Bystander: [Describes the idiot carrying the Mace Pepper Gun 2.0]
Told you so…..Authoritarian police state….You are hear by Deemed to be a prohibited person and an enemy of the state…..
If you can’t say anything good about Democrats…post an article on TTAG. My apologies to the 4 pro gun Democrats left in the US.
too late they switched parties or retired. 2 are now Libertarians and the other 2 just said screw it and retired.
““There are already too many guns in our streets, and simply adding more to the equation will not make us or our communities any safer.”
SCOTUS, save us!
(sarc)
So he made the permission slip, that was already impossible to get, double impossible to get? 🙃
I just do what the Leftists, illegals, and the urban ferals do: I ignore all their “laws.”
Can we all, then, just do NJ a solid and raise our right hands and specifically threaten each and every NJersy-ite with sever bodily harm if they don’t change their EVIL POS COMMUNIST (D)head ways? We kinda do that already with the Constitution, but, every now and then, the threat to ignorant tyrants must be refreshed with the blood of TTAG bloggers discourse, before it comes to actual battle.
Would that cover it. Attorneys please weigh-in.
Reasons to worn a Ghost Gunner much? Or perhaps reasons to own shop tools at least. Something more generic that can’t be easily connected to the act of home fabrication of weapons.
So on a whim I Googled death by gun an came up with a Homicide Report by counties for NJ. First off, this is just a homicide chart. It does not distinguished by gun or by wet toasters. But since the goal is “saving lives”, I believe he is referring to this statistic. For 2016, there were a total of 361 deaths. 375 for 2015 and 361 for 2014. Essex (126) Camden (44), Hudson (29), Mercer (25) and Union (22) account for about 62% of those deaths. Essentially 6 in 10. Statically, it would be 7 in 10 since you cannot have a partial corpse. Camden and Mercer are gateways from the Philadelphia and have a “reputation” themselves. Essex, Hudson and Union are up north across the river from New York City and are have endless turmoils in reference to crimes. So let’s ban_fill in the blank_ across the state because that will decrease the homicides. 5 of 21 counties only account for 115 deaths. Less than that of Essex alone. Next you’ll pass a law making it a crime to kill someone. Focus on the problem area instead of propping your socialist ideals and thesese “gun crimes” you’re supposedly trying to prevent will be resolved. Additional laws and regulations in infringe on the 2nd Amendment and law abiding citizens. It has never affected the criminals.
“Biologists have found that pepper spray has a better success rate than firearms. According to a study in the “Journal of Wildlife Management,”a person’s chance of getting seriously injured from a charging grizzly doubles when bullets are shot compared to when bear spray is deployed.”
https://www.alaskapublic.org/2016/06/10/ak-bear-spray-dos-and-donts/
Obviously, do what you need to to save your life, but if you have the option for the less lethal method, it will be a LOT less hassle to use the bear spray than the gun, in terms of the aftermath.
In Alaska, you don’t just get to leave a dead bear in the woods and move on. You will be expected to skin it, and salvage the hide with claws attached, as well as salvage the skull, and haul all of that out of the bush and turn it over to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game. If you don’t report the shooting, even if justified, you have broken the law. So you will do the work associated with taking a trophy but not get to keep any of it, and whatever activity you were doing might get put on hold or canceled altogether.
http://www.adfg.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=livingwithbears.conflicts
No thanks. I imagine putting together a plastic model cutaway could be a very educational experience–a way to get to know your gun and how it works inside and out.
But a cutaway made from a real gun–particularly a classic no longer being manufactured–just makes me nauseous. What a waste of a perfectly good gun!
This is for museums or clubs. Not the house in the burbs.
A simple solution and answer to this problem and question…….Do Not Live in Kommiefornia! If you already live there, move to a free State…..immediately!
If your looking for a work of art, go buy a painting and hang it over your shoulder. What are we looking at here? A WEAPON! What does a weapon of this caliber do?
It equalizes ones defensive capability to prevent the loss of your or another’s immediate loss of life, period! It’s not a fashion statement or a wanna look cool moment. Death is not cool or sexy. When that dreaded live or die moment suddenly stares you in the face, ugly is what comes next. The best reliable and easy to employ solution is what’s most important. I do not want to become ugly.
RS. DAV Vietnam conflict. Have a safe day.
Now I’m undefined…just when I thought I could finally post.. If this shit keeps up I’m freakin’ leaving TTAG. Love the sight but some of the bs just to post is BS.
Yeah I need to get back in the gym. Various and sundry injuries are kicking my 64year old butt. Part of the problem is I used to be damn good. It’s hard to get going but I worked out hard for 45years and I can do it again…it’s all in your head anyway.
5-Shot Group Size, 25 Yards, Factory 5.5-inch Barrel
Velocity (fps)
5-Shot Group Size, 25 Yards, Volquartsen 6-inch Barrel
Aguila Super Maximum
2.43”
1,381
0.89”
American Eagle HV Copper Plated
0.76”
1,052
0.9”
Armscor Precison Standard Velocity
0.39”
1,015
0.46”
CCI Green Tag
0.62”
907
0.79”
CCI Mini Mag HV
0.86”
1,032
0.94”
CCI Quiet-22
0.98”
613
0.91”
CCI Stinger
0.50”
1,264
0.56”
Eley Practice 100
0.58”
926
0.53”
Federal Target Grade
1.13”
1,075
1.28”
Remington 22 Golden Bullet
0.91”
1,038
0.85”
Remington 22 Thunderbolt
1.42”
959
1.34”
Winchester Match T22 LRN
0.79”
1,060
0.86”
Winchester Bulk Pack 555 HP
0.77”
1,123
1.05”
“Women across the country realize that men should no longer be speaking for them.” Funnily enough, that’s a sexist statement. In this “post-gender” era, men can be women, so why can’t they speak for women? Glamour awarded someone with man parts a women of the year award, so why can’t a man speak for women?
Besides, everyone knows pink is the watered down color of blood, and therefore, for boys who are not yet men. (This was a real and widely held belief at one point).
As a 13F Forward Observer I loves me some arty. Reading a map was crucial. Binos, a map and a compass. Then the Laser designators came along, were not bulky about like pregnant binos. But you had to have your exact location for them to work. So map reading was essential. Now with GPS it gets a lot easier. Anything to Fire For Effect without walking rounds on target is a good thing.
Faced with a life in prison or shooting your way out of the situation I would want to be behind cover when this scenario plays out. You know that the powers that be are going to want to make an example of their authority so watch out people of the uniform, you’re on the front line.