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The fact that Alabama Governor Kay Ivey affixed her signature to a bill last week making the Yellowhammer State the 22nd to make permitless carry the law shouldn’t really have shocked anyone. But today’s news that Governor Mike DeWine has made Ohio number 23 is a surprise to many who genuinely weren’t sure where he’d come down on the constitutional carry question.

As you can imagine, the news wasn’t taken well by our friends in the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex.

“Today, Governor DeWine sided with the gun lobby over public safety, over the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers who work every day to protect our communities,” said Kristine Woodworth, a volunteer with the Ohio chapter of Moms Demand Action. “Our state has some of the weakest gun laws in the country, and today we lost one of the last foundational public safety measures on the books – for no reason other than to satisfy the gun lobby. We will hold our leaders accountable come November.”

“By signing this bill into law, Governor DeWine has made it clear he  prioritizes the interests of the gun lobby over law enforcement and public safety advocates from across the state,” said Cordelia Van der Veer, a volunteer with Students Demand Action in Ohio. “Law enforcement agrees – permitless carry will not make our state safer, it will do the opposite, and Governor Dewine signed this bill into law anyways. We will hold him, and the Ohio legislature, accountable for this blatant step backwards at the ballot box.”

We’re sure the Governor is quaking in his boots at the jaw-dropping news that Everytown et al. will be opposing a Republican governor in the next election cycle.

Meanwhile Floridians have been left hanging by their GOP-dominated legislature — yet again — despite Governor Ron DeSantis’s promise to sign a constitutional carry bill that gets to his desk.

Here’s the Firearms Policy Coalition’s statement cheering the news from Ohio . . .

Today, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine signed the Firearms Policy Coalition-supported S.B. 215 into law and rightfully defended a truth we’ve known to be self-evident long before our nation’s founding: Government permission slips are not required for the free exercise of the People’s natural right to keep and bear arms. Under the new law, which takes effect in 90 days, Ohio residents, aged 21 and older and not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm, will no longer need a license to carry either open or concealed.

We recognize that this historic achievement in human liberty would not be possible without the dedicated effort made by the good people of Ohio. On behalf of our members and supporters, FPC thanks Gov. DeWine, bill sponsor Sen. Terry Johnson, and the numerous Ohio senators and representatives for their unwavering leadership in making Ohio the 23rd state to enact permitless-carry legislation; a trend we aim to continue in the months and years ahead. 

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        • I’m going with the theory All Hail is indeed Albert Hall.

          And I think Dacian is a real person, but there is a pretty aggressive fake big D who is crushing on the real Dacian.

          Puppy love is just so cute…

        • All hail is still with us. He’s the nameless and faceless(One could say brainless) troll that stalks geoff and lamp and JC and myself to name a few. He’s a guy that claimed he was against vaxxing. But he was so obnoxiuos about it that it became apparent that he was not anti vax, he just wanted to make real anti vaxxers look bad.

          This is dacian’s MO. To run two ID’s while he’s phasing the old one out. At one time he was vlad and I forget all the others he’s been before that. Eventually you’ll see albert ranting against hill jacks and the like.

      • In reality accidental shootings and shootings that are not legal will increase many fold. History has proven it time and time again when people are allowed to carry with no training.

        Now tell me you Neanderthals would you trust another driver on the road if he had never had any training before he got his drivers license. The answer is no of course not. Would there be more auto accidents and deaths, yes there undoubtedly would.

        As I said before in my ccw class even a Doctor did not know that he would probably be sued if he shot someone even if he was legally justified in doing so. Not charged with a crime by law enforcement does not prevent you from undergoing a civil law suit in quite a few states.

        I saw many people in my ccw class clearly deficient in safe gun handling as well. At least they were taught safe gun handling in the class.

        The Far Right are always their own worst enemies as they are not that high on the evolutionary scale. The grave yards are full of them. One million at last count that died from covid-19 which means we have 1 million more votes on our side for Socialist candidates and future socialist programs so we can catch up to the civilized industrial countries.

        • The streets will run red with blood.

          Every driver you encounter on the road may be unlicensed and untrained. You have no way of knowing but you still drive on public roads.

          Add in millions of illegals who have been flooding in with who knows what training or licensing if any and you pretty much have a non argument. And the covid thing. How many of those illegals are vaxxed? How many carry other diseases we don’t even know about?

          And screaming racist is not a valid argument. Its always fascinated me how a fascist such as yourself could scream racism without laughing.

        • In reality accidental shootings and shootings that are not legal will increase many fold. History has proven it time and time again when people are allowed to carry with no training.

          I know you hate other people’s freedom to do stuff they like doing, but take a hike man. “Shootings that are not legal” include shootings with intent. And shootings with intent are a decision made by a person, not the result of owning a firearm. Thus, the cliché: Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. And we shouldn’t restrict people’s freedoms because of the ill intent (decisions) of others.

          Let’s assume we should look at this through the collective hive mind borg lens, instead of individuals. Accidents are so low already, the added freedom is worth the very few accidents that currently occur and the very few accidents that will occur. We shouldn’t restrict freedom because of other people’s “accidents” or risk.

          Now tell me you Neanderthals would you trust another driver on the road if he had never had any training before he got his driver’s license.

          I would. Because 99.999~% of them aren’t new drivers. LOL. And those learning to drive, are about as dangerous as those learning to drive with a permit. So honestly what does the permit provide? Very little. That’s what it provides.

          As I said before in my ccw class even a Doctor did not know that he would probably be sued if he shot someone even if he was legally justified in doing so. Not charged with a crime by law enforcement does not prevent you from undergoing a civil law suit in quite a few states.

          What does this have to do with anything? Are you saying Ohio shouldn’t have constitutional carry because someone defended their life and now they might get sued by the surviving family?

          If that is the case, then people are still doing to choose the lawsuit over their likely death and choose the DGU. What is your message here?

          I saw many people in my ccw class clearly deficient in safe gun handling as well. At least they were taught safe gun handling in the class.

          Safe gun handling takes practice more than anything. And a short class isn’t going to provide the practice but the principles. Should people seek out safe gun handling practices? Yes. Should they be forced to take a class, pay money, get regulated by the gov to do it? No. Your accident does not trump my freedom. Period. My accident should not trump your freedom. Period. Freedom is worth more than safety. People don’t need a government nanny. People don’t want a government nanny. Please allow us to handle our own safety, rather than putting a government agency over us to do so. Negative.

          The Far Right are always their own worst enemies as they are not that high on the evolutionary scale.

          Juvenile nonsense.

          The grave yards are full of them. One million at last count that died from covid-19 which means we have 1 million more votes on our side for Socialist candidates and future socialist programs so we can catch up to the civilized industrial countries.

          More juvenile nonsense. Socialism is to rule by force:

          “The creation of the world — said Plato — is the victory of persuasion over force… Civilization is the maintenance of social order, by its own inherent persuasiveness as embodying the nobler alternative. The recourse to force, however unavoidable, is a disclosure of the failure of civilization, either in the general society or in a remnant of individuals… – Alfred North Whitehead

          Socialism is literally collective rule over individuality. It does this through force. Tyranny. Authoritarianism. Advocate for social policies, is to advocate for authoritarianism. If you want to change something, do yourself. Individually. Your consciousness exists on an individual level, not a collective one. To leverage a collective, against their will, IS authoritarian. So stop advocating for policy, forcing others to do what you want and get out of your butt valley in your recliner and go do it yourself.

        • This is a total apples to oranges comparison.

          When someone operates a motor vehicle on the roads they are actively using their vehicle for the entire duration.

          When someone carries a gun in public, they are not actively using their firearm. In fact, ideally they will never actively use their firearm in public. As a result, carrying a gun carries far significant risk to the general public than driving a vehicle.

          An inexperienced and unlicensed driver at any point in their drive could crash, hit a civilian, an animal, injure themselves or someone else.

          An inexperienced and unlicensed person with a gun willl not touch their gun on most days. And if at any point they do misuse their gun, they will face harsh legal consequences and lose their right to own one.

        • Hey Pencil Neck, funny you should mention evolution. I saw an evolutionary chart the other day. And there you were! Third from the left!

        • dacian, the Dunderhead. As long as there are people on the earth there will be negligent discharges. You see that is part of being human. People make errors in judgement. You see to think you can “legislate” such away with a whisk of a legislature’s and the governor’s hand? ROFLMAO! There are plenty of laws already on the books that your Leftist cohorts refuse to enforce with prosecution and jail time.

        • to Anonymous

          quote———– Socialism is literally collective rule over individuality. It does this through force.———quote

          More laughable right wing nonsense. Social Security is as American as apple pie and despite the gangster criminal republicans trying to destroy it every since it was introduced by the American Communist Party, the American people support it and most could not afford to retire without it. Ditto for Medicare and Medicaid, aid to education, school lunch programs and the list goes on.

          I might add Paul Ryan went to college on Social Security money and then after “he got his benefits” he tried to destroy it and ban it for every other needy person. What a scum bag but typical for a Republican.

          And to claim people do not need gun safety training before being allowed to carry is pure lunacy.

          And ditto for the knowledge and training of when you can and cannot shoot someone legally.

          But when did the Neanderthals of the far right ever have any common sense.

          I might add the overwhelming majority of American people want Socialized Universal Health Care because they see through the lies of the Republican prostitutes that are bought off by the drug and insurance crooks. We are the only industrialized nation on earth that does not have it and no nation that ever adopted Universal Health Care ever went back and rescinded it. But that is way over the head of the Dotard Far Right creatures.

        • dacian, the Dunderhead Bolder dash! Socialism is a collective ownership of personal property. In other words there is no real personal property. In other words, that house you own? You don’t own it. The “people” do. Etc.

          Social Security is an insurance annuity guaranteed by the Federal Government that everyone has paid into that you Leftists have been robbing since 1967 when LBJ started robbing it to pay for his “Great Society” which has never come to fruition.

          As to the Republicans trying to destroy it? You Leftists have already done that by your robbing the money that was supposed to be invested to make the fund grow.

          What you said about Paul Ryan is an absolute bold faced lie.

          As to the American people wanting “Socialized Universal Health Care” is another outright bold faced lie. Once the American people know what that monstrosity of a program entails, they will reject it.

          Oh incidentally, I know that this is not the REAL dacian the Dunderhead, But you are echoing his true sentiments.

      • Now we know how you came by your avatar profile picture and name!
        Honolulu, Hawaii, U.S., Arriving and Departing Passenger and Crew Lists, 1900-1959
        Alfred Decain
        Birth
        1923
        Departure
        Calcutta, India
        Arrival
        27 Jul 1951 Honolulu, Hawaii

        • Actually, I believe the Dacian Empire was somewhere between Greece and Macedonia a couple thousand years back.

  1. Congratulations Ohio; much deserved and long overdue. I sincerely hope your version is better than that in Texas, although that’s not saying much.

  2. I sincerely hope that all the polls are correct and that the Republicans sweep the house and senate in November. But, I am a realist. Not going to happen. The democrat vote manufacturing mechanisms are already in place. The treason of the democrats is deeply entrenched in the system.

    • Don’t despair. The GOP is just as good at rigging elections as the DemonRats are. They were just asleep at the wheel the last time around, but now that they know the games afoot, the GOP will be out there with every dirty trick they know and maybe a few that they don’t know yet. It’s all just a matter of who can get the fix in first and better.

      • avatar Geoff "A day without an obsessed, obviously brain-damaged and mentally-ill demented troll (who deserves to live in New Jersey) PR

        “It’s all just a matter of who can get the fix in first and better.”

        It’s warfare the old-fashioned way since time immortal, the enemy acts, we respond, and the cycle continues…

        • Well now that we’ve heard from Geoff, can we get the perspective of someone who’s not a hate filled coward who’s never known the love of a woman? 🖕🤡 🤣!

        • Well, nameless, brainless troll, it CERTAINLY wouldn’t be from you, now would it?? You prove yourself on the daily to be a hate-filled coward, and we know you’ve never felt the touch of anything other than your hand (or possibly dacian the stupid or MinorIQ’s hands).

          Enjoy your mom’s basement, pathetic troll. Question: Does your mom let you hold your group circle jerks with dacian and MinorIQ in her basement? Does she make you clean up, afterwards? (Bonus question: Is there any need to, since you are all nutless Leftist/fascists?)

    • Dems have staked out they strategy – “wartime” re-election for Nov. “can’ risk changing leadership in the middle of a war dontcha know. FDR

    • “The treason of the democrats is deeply entrenched in the system“

      Isn’t it strange that the facts show that it is Republicans committing the election fraud?

      “Trump Backer, 4 Others Charged With Voter Fraud in Wisconsin
      A supporter of former President Donald Trump who said authorities should root out voter fraud is among five people charged with election fraud by a Republican district attorney who is running for Wisconsin attorney general.
      By Associated Press Wire Service Content • Feb. 10, 2022, at 4:30 p.m.“

      Here’s another Republican voter fraud criminal:

      “A man who once described a ballot being cast in his dead wife’s name as “sickening” and was cited by the Nevada Republican Party last November as evidence that massive voter fraud swayed the results of the 2020 presidential election has been charged by prosecutors with voter fraud.

      According to a lawsuit filed in the Las Vegas Justice Court this month, the man, Donald Kirk Hartle, voted his deceased wife Rosemarie Hartle’s ballot. At a November press conference, Matt Schlapp, chairman of the American Consevative Union, named Rosemarie Hartle as one example of the “hundreds of dead people” he said had voted in the election in Clark County. The Nevada Republican Party also cited Hartle’s interview with KLAS Channel 8 in their voter fraud allegations.“

      • Those needing prosecution are prosecuted. Unlike the Democrats/Communists when they lie, chest and cover up for every criminal amongst them. First in mind of course are the Clintons, Soetoro, Holder, and the latest poster child of their decrepit organization Epstein who didn’t hang himself anyway.

      • ahh ha damnit two. that’s worse than one. let me know when you’re approaching tens of thousands.
        i’ll wait.

        • “let me know when you’re approaching tens of thousands”

          I’ve posted evidence of multiple Republican election fraud crimes.

          You have nothing but talk.

          And there you have it.

        • And here’s the best part, President Donald Trump‘s chief of staff, Mark Meadows, has been caught committing election fraud, will he receive the same sentence as the black woman who unintentionally filed a vote she wasn’t entitled to?

          I bet he won’t even be prosecuted because he is a white male Republican and she is a black female Democrat, he goes free, she goes to prison for years.

          The very definition Of systemic racism.

          “Jones’s story resurfaced this week after The New Yorker reported that former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows voted with the address of a mobile home in Macon County that he had never set foot in, let alone lived in long-term or owned. He also registered to vote in Virginia right before the state’s high profile gubernatorial race, resulting in him being registered in two states.

          Although the story was published Sunday, the N.C. Board of Elections officials have not said whether they’d be handing the case over to prosecutors, who could charge Meadows with voter fraud. Meadows hasn’t spoken publicly about the story and allegations, but he has consistently pushed “the Big Lie” that there was mass voter fraud against the former president in the 2020 election“

          https://amp.newsobserver.com/opinion/article259315934.html

        • Minor MINER49er For your edification, Mark Meadows has not be tried and convicted of anything. The woman you are referring to in NC was convicted of a felony, served prison time and was on probation. One of the terms of probation is that you are informed of your rights and what rights you don’t have, including that you cannot vote. Your little Black woman signed a document which outlined her rights and obligation while on probation.

          Funny how your story from the “newsobserver’ (sic) leaves out that very pertinent fact.

    • More election fraud, but strangely, it seems to be the Republicans…

      “Prosecutors in North Carolina filed new felony charges against a Republican political operative accused of ballot tampering in a congressional election in 2018.

      Leslie McCrae Dowless was charged Tuesday with two counts of felony obstruction of justice, perjury, solicitation to commit perjury, conspiracy to obstruct justice and illegal possession of absentee ballots, according to a statement by Wake County District Attorney Lorrin Freeman.“

      • This is why election integrity is more important than telling people of color that they’re too incompetent to secure a free government issued ID. Voter turnout in the last presidential election was up 21% over the last 3 elections. That fact alone should make anyone suspicious. Did Trump really get 11 million more votes than in 2016? The left doesn’t seem to be the least but curious. Probably because they know they cheated harder than the Republicans.

        • “people of color that they’re too incompetent to secure a free government issued ID“

          In my state, one must show photo ID when registering, so that takes care of that. I was issued a voter registration card that I use each election to vote.

          A much bigger problem is limits on early voting that disenfranchise people who work through the week, and restrictions on mail in voting which disenfranchises those who are out of town or overseas including our serving soldiers.

          Why cut off Sunday early voting? Because the Republicans know that many black folk enjoy ‘souls to the polls’ on Sunday after church.

          And why no drop off of mail in ballots? That makes it much harder for working people to detour from their job and use their limited resources to vote.

          Personally, I think that in the interest of American citizenship, election day should be a national holiday with mandatory pay for both public and private employees.

          What do you think?

        • I think that the only conceivable reason poll workers would illegally block partisan election observers from witnessing the vote count is because they were committing mass voter fraud.

          And if votes were surpressed, why was turnout up 21%? Was voter suppression worse when O’Bama got elected?

        • Why cut off Sunday early voting? Because the Republicans know that many black folk enjoy ‘souls to the polls’ on Sunday after church.

          Miner. I didn’t know there were black people in West Virginia. Isn’t it like 99% whites there? And a bunch of you are socialists anyways. Pro-government. Thus – Pro government force. Pro bureaucracy. Pro-inefficiency. Pro unaccountability. Pro- fewer options. Pro mandates. Pro authoritarianism. This is what you get as a side effect of being pro-government. Maybe West Virginia is making good use of all their social programs paid for by, mostly other states. Maybe that is why you are so pro-gov, because you guys are bought off. But it won’t help you in the long run.

        • “the only conceivable reason poll workers would illegally block partisan election observers from witnessing the vote count“

          If you have credible evidence that this occurred you really should provide it to Sydney Powell, Rudy, et al. because they’re all about to be in big trouble for perpetrating a fraud on multiple courts.

          Otherwise your claims are just empty speech.

          So how about President Trump’s chief of staff Mark Meadows fraudulent voter registration and vote? Do you think he should be prosecuted for election fraud as NC did to the black lady who improperly cast a ballot?

        • Minor MINER49er there are a multitude of instances reported even in your Lame Stream Media where people have been prevented from observing the vote count.

          It seems your “defense” of your Leftist masters is as lame as most of your other excuses for their ineptitude.

        • Well here’s the second thing to pop up on a Duck Duck Go search. (The first thing was a Politifact piece telling you not to believe your lying eyes.). https://mb.ntd.com/pennsylvania-ballot-observers-blocked-despite-order_524872.html

          Walter, you must realize that with people like Minor politics is just a Red Sox, Yankees competition. He’s not the least but curious about the 26 million extra votes that just popped up out of nowhere, just like Yankee fans had no interest in finding out if A-Rod or Clemens were on the roids. The important thing is winning and if you have to cheat to win you do it and if you get caught you deny it and your fans will eat it up. Your team winning is all that matters.

          Now if Trump would have won he’d be screaming that there’s no way Trump got 11 million votes than he did in 2016. Like bitching about the ump’s pitch calling when your team lost.

        • MinorIQ,

          Your stupidity seems to be intensifying.

          “In my state, one must show photo ID when registering, so that takes care of that. I was issued a voter registration card that I use each election to vote.”

          A voter ID card, is it?? Isn’t that a form of “identification” you frickin’ idiot?????? Now, I know nothing about your state’s “voter registration card”, but if it doesn’t have a picture on it, WTF good is it???

          MinorIQ, you are bidding fair to regain your title as “MajorStupidity”. I wish for your swift recovery, but I have little (no??) hope for same.

        • NTD News? Right.

          “Two hours later, former Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi said that the court order was not being enforced. She said while the barricades were moved up six feet, the ballot machines had been pushed to the back of the room.”

          You mean this Pam Bondi?
          I think we would need a more unbiased and credible witness, not someone who had been involved in Donald Trump‘s defrauding and theft of thousands of dollars from the Wounded Warrior project in his Trump foundation grift enterprise.

          In 2013, Bondi also received criticism following a campaign donation from Donald Trump.[22] Prior to the donation, Bondi had received at least 22 fraud complaints regarding Trump University. A spokesperson for Bondi announced that her office was considering joining a lawsuit initiated by Eric Schneiderman, the Attorney General of New York, regarding tax fraud potential charges against Trump.[23][24] Four days later, however, a political action committee established by Bondi to support her re-election, And Justice for All, received a $25,000 donation from the Donald J. Trump Foundation, after which Bondi declined to join the lawsuit against Trump University. Both Bondi and Trump defended the propriety of the nonprofit foundation’s political donation.[25][26]
          In 2016, after Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service regarding the 2013 Trump donation, the Trump Foundation stated that the donation had been made in error. It said that the Foundation had intended for the donation to go not to Bondi’s PAC, but instead to an unrelated Kansas non-profit called Justice for All.[27][28] However, in June 2016, as Bondi was facing renewed criticism over the Trump donation and her decision not to join the lawsuit, her spokesman said that Bondi had solicited the donation directly from Trump several weeks before her office announced it was considering joining the lawsuit against him.[24][29] On March 14, 2016, Bondi endorsed Trump in the 2016 Florida Republican presidential primary, saying she has been friends with Trump for many years.[30][31] In June 2016, a spokesperson for Governor Rick Scott stated that the state’s ethics commission is looking into the matter, though nothing further came from the investigation.[32]
          In September 2016, the IRS determined that the donation to Bondi’s PAC violated laws against political contributions from nonprofit organizations, and ordered Trump to pay a fine for the contribution. Trump also was required to reimburse the foundation for the sum that had been donated to Bondi.[33] Neither Bondi nor her PAC were fined or criminally charged. In November 2019, Trump was ordered by a New York state court to close down the foundation and pay $2 million in damages for misusing it, including the illegal donation to Bondi.[34]
          In 2021, The Daily Beast reported that it obtained records relating to Trump’s illegal donation to Bondi, which show that Trump’s organization knew that the money was being given to a PAC in Florida rather than a Kansas non-profit. The records include an email in August 2013 from Bondi’s campaign finance director Deborah Ramsey Aleksander to Trump’s executive assistant, Rhona Graff, identifying the PAC as an Electioneering Communications Organization and thanking Graff for meeting with her, for the promised $25,000 donation, and “for always being so responsive and wonderful to work with”. A spokesperson for Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington called these documents “a smoking gun” that destroys the story that Trump and Bondi had concocted to excuse the donation.[35]”

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_Bondi

        • Here’s an interesting item, looks like Trump has big money dealings with Ukrainian oligarchs, how come you guys never complain about his money from Ukraine?

          “On April 9, 2018, The New York Times reported that the office of Special Counsel Robert Mueller, as part of its larger investigation into Russian interference into the 2016 election, was investigating the Trump Foundation’s donation of $150,000 by Ukrainian billionaire Victor Pinchuk in 2015.[127] The Times reported that Trump’s personal attorney, Michael Cohen, had solicited the donation from Pinchuk in return for Trump’s appearance in a 20-minute video conference with Pinchuk and others in Kyiv in September 2015, just a few months after Trump launched his presidential campaign.[127][150]”

          It’s a real bitch when your personal attorney flips on you…

    • Michael,

      A more realistic hope is that, WHATEVER the outcome, may we get more people who are there to represent their constituents, not just insure their sinecure and pension. Politicians are like unto Twain’s “Pudd’nhead Wilson” – they are of no use above the ground, they should be below it, inspiring the cabbages.

  3. Dear MDA & SDA – He’s up for Re-Election ! What did you expect? You are in the minority!
    No matter how much money Bloomberg (Your Lobby) gives you. Democrats cost Ohio everyday at the Gas Pump, Grocery Store, Utility Bills and life in general – You ain’t punishing Shit come election day!
    > BTW – carried there in the mid 70’s, no permit needed I knew of.

    • They used to go by the “prudent man” test, which is silly. If you lived in a Democrat-run city, a prudent man would carry a light machinegun at all times.

  4. Congratulations Ohio!!! And special thanks to the Buckeye Firearms Association. Those folks worked their behinds off to get this done. And thanks to the governor of Ohio as well. But you sir are still a RINO. And I don’t trust you.

    • Chris T in KY,

      There is a bit of a downside to this:

      The Firearms Policy Coalition statement reads, “Under the new law…Ohio residents…will no longer need a license to carry either open or concealed.

      So, the new law appears to only apply to Ohio residents. Out-of-state visitors, not so much.

      Why do states do that?

      • “Out-of-state visitors, not so much“

        Because out-of-state folks aren’t real Americans?

        Or maybe out-of-state folks can’t vote for DeWine in the coming election…

      • @uncommon_sense:
        reciprocity: “Ohio’s Senate Bill 215 would allow ALL adults 21 and over who can legally own a gun to concealed carry. It also removes the requirement to tell law enforcement officers about the weapon unless asked.”
        https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/14/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-signs-law-legalizing-permit-less-firearm-carry/9374867002/
        Also reciprocity is in the new law.
        See the bottom of page 17 and the top of page 18 here: https://search-prod.lis.state.oh.us/solarapi/v1/general_assembly_134/bills/sb215/EN/05/sb215_05_EN?format=pdf

        Constitutional carry allows the citizens of a state to carry without a permit. If reciprocity exist, then they can carry to other states allowing constitutional carry. However, a citizen from a constitutional carry state, even with reciprocity, cannot carry in another state that does not allow constitutional carry.
        It is best to keep a permit valid especially when traveling out of state.

        • and another example > https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/tn-gun-laws/ (scroll down)

          In Tennessee, anyone who is not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm and is in lawful possession of the motor vehicle may concealed carry or openly carry a handgun. In addition, unless expressly prohibited by federal law, firearms may be transported and stored in a vehicle while on or utilizing any public or private parking area if:

          * The motor vehicle is parked in a location where the motor vehicle is permitted to be; and

          * The firearm or ammunition being transported or stored in the motor vehicle:

          * Is kept from ordinary observation if the person is in the motor vehicle; or

          * Is kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box or interior of the person’s motor vehicle or a container securely affixed to the motor vehicle if the person is not in the motor vehicle

        • Whhopsie, the Tennessee information was posted in the wrong place. Its intended for a reply to ‘J’ further down about car carry

        • Hush,

          I have a current (valid) concealed carry license in my state–and Ohio honors my license. I was hoping that Ohio would extend their constitutional carry regimen to out-of-state visitors as well. So far, I am not seeing anything authoritative which confirms that.

        • uncommon_sense,
          If your state is a constitutional carry state, then Ohio like other states with constitutional carry will allow you to carry without a license as long as you can legally own a gun. Otherwise, if your state is not constitutional carry, then you will need a license to carry in states that have constitutional carry laws in place as long as there is reciprocity. It is my understanding that citizens of a state that allows constitutional carry can carry without a permit in other states who have constitutional carry laws in place and reciprocity exist between the states. In short, constitutional carry is only intrastate and not interstate unless interstate is between states that allow constitutional carry and there is reciprocity.
          This is my understanding of the laws to date. Anyone please correct me if I have presented any wrong statements.

  5. Didn’t think DeWeasel would sign it, figured he would veto it with some lame excuse or let it time out and become law so he could try to play both sides.
    Sorry didn’t mean to disparage weasels but there are many similarities.

  6. This great news, but seriously, he looks like Fauci 10 seconds after drinking from the wrong cup at the end of Indiana Jones and the last crusade.

    Also, he’s still a cuckservative and he’s hoping this will buy him a win in the primary on May 3rd.

    Ohioans, be thankful for the win, but prove you have more memory than a goldfish and primary this guy.

    • Omgosh, first time my comment has to wait to be moderated. And this is probably one of my more tame comments.

    • Well, regardless of whether DeWhiner signed this – or let it become law sans a signature – unless every poll out there is being faked somehow, he’s on his way to the general election this fall. Blystone may have pushed him a tiny bit rightward but never really had a chance to “primary” Middle of the Road Mikey. Being a vet I was already in the “no training required” carve-out (did it anyway since it was a fun couples thing 😉) but this is a definite improvement – though I’m betting there’ll be more county sheriff run speed traps going up to compensate for the loss of income!

  7. Seriously, people… whatever you think of Governor DeWine, do the right thing… send him an email thanking him for signing this bill. A win is a win is a…. We need to thank these people when they listen to reasonable (vs hysterical) constituents. If all they read are snarky comments, how likely will they be to listen to our arguments in the future?

  8. Ohio? Great. A couple more and we have half the country. Good to see. Wish it was a couple more and we have the whole country. Oh well. A win is a win.
    Strange how the forever bloodbaths and shootouts at high noon predicted by the pearl clutching gun haters just never seems to happen. Heard the same when states went from no permits at all, or may issue to shall issue that we would see every body and their dog would be packing and it would be daily re-enactments of the OK corral or some other boomtown.

  9. Governor DeWine sided with the gun lobby over … the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers…” — Kristine Woodworth

    Ms. Woodworth’s statement means:
    1) Criminals without licenses did not carry firearms before this law.
    2) Criminals will begin carrying firearms after this law.

    The utter, shear, naked stupidity in such a position is beyond laughable.

    As I have stated in the past, people such as Ms. Woodworth are hysterical and simply vomit words in a desperate attempt to somehow resonate with you and obtain your support. Facts and reality play no part in her mental position nor her messaging.

  10. Those in the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex should have learned by now that the more you tell people they should not or can not have something the more they want the freedom to have that something.

    “Governor DeWine sided with the gun lobby over … the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers…” — Kristine Woodworth (in an obvious moment of continuing delusion)

    There is absolutely no link of adverse effect between the lawful carry/ownership and use of firearms by law abiding people and “the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers” or any law enforcement officers anywhere in the U.S.

    The gun lobby was not sided with, but the constitution was.

    Just as the law intent and effect was before it is now in effect and intent the same with the exception of doing away with the bureaucratic red tape to get permission first to obey the law – it is still law abiding people doing law abiding stuff with firearms with permission of law.

    As before, the new law was written for law abiding people and those who are not law abiding can still be prosecuted. Isn’t that what the ‘Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex’ wanted, for those not legally able to posses to not posses? The law makes it illegal for those not legally able to posses firearms, …. oh wait, you guys in the Civilian Disarmament Industrial Complex don’t want anyone to have a firearm, you aren’t really interested in the law or the constitution and what you really want is to have it your way to deny rights to the people, you want that control by proxy by getting government leaders to go along with you.

    Apparently Kristine Woodworth doesn’t understand that law abiding people are still law abiding people without a permission slip to be law abiding.

  11. I find it interesting that when MDA and others of their ilk don’t get their way they then blame the gun lobby.
    It couldn’t have anything to do with that pesky Constitution could it?
    Nah….

  12. I remember, quaintly, when the left hated law enforcement and wanted to defund the police. Now the left is in a tizzy because a constitutional carry law is “anti-law enforcement.”

    Okay, sure.

    It’s almost as if these people will say literally anything in order to gain despotic power over ordinary citizens.

    • Could be a fun time in the news and at work when NYSRPA gets decided in the next few months. But NBC did run a segment detailing how ‘extreme’ our laws are compared to the rest of the country so damage control may be the focus.

      • I am really hopeful that the NYSRPA case will change things dramatically in NY! Good for the state, good for its people, good for the constitution… and lefty tears are so delicious. I’m waiting to see though. SCOTUS has let me down many times…

        • Cautious optimism and a hope that they are pissed at NYC mooting their process the last time.

    • “It’s almost as if these people will say literally anything in order to gain despotic power over ordinary citizens.”

      Bingo!

  13. “Governor DeWine sided with the gun lobby over … the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers…” — Kristine Woodworth (in an obvious moment of continuing delusion)

    Presently (until the new law goes into effect) open carry is legal in Ohio without a permit except in vehicles, concealed carry is legal with a permit – has been this way for years. In all that time there has not been even one instance where a law abiding person legally possessing and/or using a firearm intentionally adversely affected the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers. Why is it that a law abiding person legally carrying concealed or open would suddenly affect the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers when it hasn’t all these years simply because a permission slip is no longer needed?

    In fact it wasn’t a permit all these years that was protecting the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers from firearms, it was the law abiding being law abiding that was protecting the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers and the non-law abiding that were intentionally adversely affecting the safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers. Because its going to be constitutional carry doesn’t change that and the safety or Ohio’s law enforcement officers is still just as protected by the law abiding as it was before constitutional carry, and still just as intentionally adversely affected by the non-law abiding as it was before constitutional carry. In short, no difference for the “safety of Ohio’s law enforcement officers”.

    Thirty-four states already allow open carry without a permit (Ohio is one), 23 now have constitutional carry which allows concealed or open carry without a permit, for law abiding citizens yet no rivers of blood in the streets yet and not a single instance of a law abiding person legally possessing/using a firearm, with or without a permit, intentionally adversely affecting the safety of any law enforcement officer.

    Alabama is home of the infamous ‘blood in the streets’ comment (as in mass carnage and apocalypse). In 1990 gun control advocates claimed there would be ‘blood in the streets’ when then-Gov Guy Hunt signed Alabama’s concealed carry law. None of the mass carnage and apocalypse ‘blood in the streets’ yet.

    Like the ‘blood in the streets’ comment, the ‘officer safety’ claims have been repeated for decades – yet still no mass carnage and apocalypse ‘blood in the streets’ and still not one single instance of a law abiding person legally possessing/using a firearm, with or without a permit, intentionally adversely affecting the safety of any law enforcement officer.

    https://www.al.com/opinion/2022/02/guest-opinion-the-case-for-constitutional-carry.html

    “When PoliceOne asked its 450,000 law enforcement members about the effects of private gun ownership, 76% of officers answered that legally armed citizens are either very or extremely important in reducing crime.”

    • 40 oz, I think you didn’t realize that the editorial you were quoting from was lying it’s ass off and misrepresenting the facts but that’s the case.

      You claimed:

      “When PoliceOne asked its 450,000 law enforcement members about the effects of private gun ownership, 76% of officers answered that legally armed citizens are either very or extremely important in reducing crime.”

      It might be a good idea to actually check out these claims, if you did you would read from the actual survey the number of respondents is significantly lower than the quoted 450,000.

      “PoliceOne’s Gun Policy & Law Enforcement survey was conducted between March 4 and March 13, 2013, receiving 15,595 responses from verified police professionals across all ranks and department sizes.”

      https://crimeresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/PoliceOne-Survey-2013.pdf

      Unfortunately, conservative commentators often use deceptive language and intentionally misrepresent the results of academic research. This is just another case where the intentional disinformation is just too obvious to be missed.

        • Even the 76% claim is misleading, the survey doesn’t use the language claimed in the editorial which states:

          “legally armed citizens are either very or extremely important“

          The actual question from the survey:

          “20. On a scale of one to five — one being low and five being high — how important do you think legally-armed citizens are to reducing crime rates overall:“

          The editorial author is lying when he uses the language either “very or extremely important”, those words were not in the actual survey.

          As I said, you just can’t trust these conservative editorial pieces, they always have a hidden agenda that is at odds with the facts.

        • Really?

          How do you reconcile the fact that your statement implies that the survey addressed 450,000 LEOs, when in fact only 15K actually responded?

          How do you reconcile the fact that your statement uses words not actually in the survey question?

          40oz, I respect and appreciate most of your posts but in this case, the editorial you quoted is at best misleading and at worst intentionally deceptive.

        • Apparently Miner49, you can’t read.

          The comment I quoted from the link says this

          “When PoliceOne asked its 450,000 law enforcement members about the effects of private gun ownership, 76% of officers answered that legally armed citizens are either very or extremely important in reducing crime.”

          In other words of those that answered 76%. You need to look at the underlying document. In what I quoted I did not indicate the link in the substance for the “76% of officers answered”. This is how surveys are represented in discussion tone (with a link to the original data that clarifies), you have to look at the underlying data at the link to understand the statement. Don’t you know how to read survey statements properly?

          Its not deceptive or misleading. Its you not understanding how to place the underlying data in context with the comment, the data supplied in the link within the quote. When such a statement about surveys is made while providing the underlying data they are intended to be used together to provide the context for the statement – you apparently don’t understand that.

        • Minor MINER49er as you well know when a questionnaire is sent out a large number of the questionnaires are never answered. Your vain attempt to “score” points is like you trying to inflate a balloon that has holes in it.

        • MinorIQ,

          “How do you reconcile the fact that your statement implies that the survey addressed 450,000 LEOs, when in fact only 15K actually responded?”

          Jeebus, MajorStupidity, what do you actually THINK response rates are to surveys?????? If they got a nearly 16K response to 450,000 inquiries?? They are WAY exceeding average response rates. .40cal said, ACCURATELY, that the survey was present to all (450,000) members. 76% of those who RESPONDED believed that armed citizens are important to law enforcement.

          When you evaluate a Gallup or other “telephone poll” (how the vast majority of polls are conducted, these days), how many calls aren’t answered, or if answered, the recipient hangs up as soon as they know it’s a pollster? You’ve got no freakin’ idea, do you???? Lemme put you some knowledge; IF a pollster gets as high as a 5% response, it’s considered wildly successful.

          Are you attempting a pathetic lie, or are you even stupider than I thought. Please stop; you’re frickin’ embarrassing yourself. (assuming, that is, that you are capable of embarrassment).

          You remain too stupid to insult. Go back to your circle jerk, or pounding salt in your @$$, as the only thing you are accomplishing here is further beclowning yourself.

        • No I’m calling bullshit.

          Here’s the pertinent part:

          “asked its 450,000 law enforcement members about the effects of private gun ownership, 76% of officers answered“

          That is clearly deceptive, once you access the actual survey that states only 15,000 officers answered.

          And you don’t even discuss the fact that the editorial’s author used the words “either very or extremely important” which were not in the surveys question, a complete fabrication on his part.

        • “As to the allegation that the question was not posed the way you want it, the way it was posed is perfectly acceptable to normal people“

          Walt, you are again oblivious.

          There’s no problem with the question as posed in the actual survey, the problem is that the editorial 40oz is citing lies about the question, the author inserted his own words rather than the actual text of the question.

          “those who RESPONDED“

          Now you’re inserting words that are not in the editorials text, and therein lies the problem. The author of the editorial misrepresented the response rate intentionally to support his position

          Of course, the larger problem is 40oz is citing an ‘opinion’ piece as evidence.

        • Miner49.

          you are really dense.

          Its not deceptive, the author provides the context with the link to the data he provides. Seriously, you need to learn what context means and how to use it. Like I tried to explain to you before, and others have pointed out, and the authors link to the supporting data clarifies and places in context his statements – ITS 76% OF THOSE THAT RESPONDED – even though 450,000 were asked. The author makes this very clear with providing the underlying document that its 76% of those that responded and not all 450,000.

          In other words its 76% of the “15,000” that responded. Here let me do the third grade math for you… 450,000 – (~)15,000 = (~)435,000 that did not respond —- The author had a sample response of (~)3.33%

          The authors survey is a population based survey (yeah, I can tell you didn’t realize that because from your non-sense rants I can tell you don’t know or understand such surveys). For population based surveys anything between a (~)1% to (~)5% response for a population survey sample pool of 100,000 (because population samples are done on a per 100,000 basis not per response basis) is significantly relevant to represent a population sector (law enforcement in this case). In this case the author had a population sector sample pool greater than 100,000 (at 450,000 —- ~ 4 times greater than needed) and still got a significantly relevant response to represent a specific population sector which is also significant. In other words the (~)3.33% response of the author in other words represents a very significant view held by (in this case) law enforcement which indicates its likely that even though (~)435,000 did not respond if they would have responded that about ~76% of those would still reflect the same view of the ~15,000 that did respond.

      • Minor MINER49er “Academic research?” You mean research where your members of academia start out with a conclusion and then cherry pick or manufacture “statistics” to “prove” their postulation.

        As to the allegation that the question was not posed the way you want it, the way it was posed is perfectly acceptable to normal people. The responses were not skewed. You would love to have the Chief’s of Police Association’s conclusions instead. But you see there is a problem with that. Those Chiefs haven’t been in the street in q long time and have turned from being a police officer into a politician.

        40 cal’s responses are right on the mark. Yours? Not so much.

        • “Minor MINER49er “Academic research?” You mean research where your members of academia start out with a conclusion and then cherry pick or manufacture “statistics” to “prove” their postulation.“

          You are oblivious.

          Your pal 40oz is the one who cited the editorial that features the survey.

          If you have a problem with the survey, address him, he was using it to justify his position but unfortunately the editorials author misrepresented the actual survey questions and response rate.

        • Minor MINER49er I am far from oblivious and that is what bothers you and provokes you to resort to your old standby, ad hominem attack.

          Yes, he did cite that survey. I also pointed out that most surveys only get a small response to the inquiries that are sent out. You know that as well as I do. And yet you “harp” on that. I have no problem with the survey. I have a problem with people who try to use nonsensical points which do not have any bearing on the validity of the survey. The editorial’s author (not editorials author) mis represented not a damn thing.

          Please try coming up with real point, not your made up nonsense.

  14. So he did the right thing.

    Part of me wonders if he signed it out of support for it or just political expedience. Pretty sure it is the latter but at least it was the right thing to do.

  15. Where is the car carry provisions in these constitutional carry bills? Only one state so far has car carry as part of these constitutional carry bills and that is Kentucky. Kentucky had open carry and open car carry before it pass its constitutional carry bill a few years ago. What are these states thinking? You have to drive a vehicle with you firearm. I guess Kentucky is more forward thinking than other states. Open car carry should be added to other states constitutional carry bills. A lot of people get into trouble each year for how they carry in a vehicle.

    • ?

      States with constitutional carry can carry in car. constitutional carry means you can carry at any time, unless specifically prohibited, if you are not a prohibited person. Kentucky just felt they need to say it because their constitutional carry enactment would have conflicted with other laws the way it was structured.

      To car carry under constitutional carry you have to follow the guidelines outlined in the states laws. For example, in Mississippi (my favorite constitutional carry law state) a handgun may be carried upon the person in a car if it is in a sheath, belt holster or shoulder holster; in a purse, handbag, satchel or other similar bag; or in a briefcase or fully enclosed case – which is the same for carry outside a car. (note though: there are still prohibited places where carry is not permitted – consult your states laws)

      In any state with constitutional carry you can carry in car if you follow that states laws (e.g. see Mississippi info above).

      • and another example > https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/ccw_reciprocity_map/tn-gun-laws/ (scroll down)

        In Tennessee, anyone who is not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm and is in lawful possession of the motor vehicle may concealed carry or openly carry a handgun. In addition, unless expressly prohibited by federal law, firearms may be transported and stored in a vehicle while on or utilizing any public or private parking area if:

        * The motor vehicle is parked in a location where the motor vehicle is permitted to be; and

        * The firearm or ammunition being transported or stored in the motor vehicle:

        * Is kept from ordinary observation if the person is in the motor vehicle; or

        * Is kept from ordinary observation and locked within the trunk, glove box or interior of the person’s motor vehicle or a container securely affixed to the motor vehicle if the person is not in the motor vehicle

  16. Congratulations Ohio. Now all the liberal coastal morons who don’t know Ohio from Iowa from Idaho will know just to stay out of all 3 of our fine states.

    • Only $164K? That’s just chump change in Vegas.

      My favorite is the armored car driver, everything was going fine on their cash pick up route to several casinos… Standard procedure, driver waits outside while partner goes inside and picks up the bags.

      However, on the last pick up when partner came back outside the van was gone.

      They found it a couple months later in a rented garage… Empty of course.

      They eventually figured out who it was but couldn’t catch her. A couple decades later, I guess tired of life on the run, she turned herself in.

      I guess the $3 million ran out…

  17. Yep, constitutional carry in Ohio is legal now… Unless you happen to be a black man, Then you better not let a white man see you with even a BB-gun in your hand:

    “Crawford picked up an un-packaged BB/pellet air rifle inside the store’s sporting goods section and continued shopping in the store. Another customer, Ronald Ritchie, called 9-1-1 claiming that Crawford had been pointing the gun at fellow customers.[10] Security camera footage showed that Crawford was talking on his cellphone and holding the BB gun as he shopped, but at no point did he aim the BB gun at anyone. After the security camera footage was released, Ritchie recanted his statement that led to the fatal shooting and stated, “At no point did he shoulder the rifle and point it at somebody”, while maintaining that Crawford was “waving it around”.[11]

    Two officers of the Beavercreek Police arrived at the Walmart shortly after their dispatcher informed them of a “subject with a gun” in the pet supplies area of the store. Crawford was later pronounced dead at Dayton’s Miami Valley Hospital.[12]

    A second person, Angela Williams, died after suffering a heart attack while fleeing from the shooting. Her death was ruled a homicide (which legally means only that the death was as a direct result of the actions of another and does not imply guilt or responsibility on anyone’s part).[13]“

    Nobody was charged with anything, not the white cops, not the white ‘witness’ whose lie led directly to the death of an innocent, unarmed black man.

    And Ohio justice has been served.

        • You mean it’s something you could have written?? Gee, we’ll all ask Void to try harder, next time.

          Y’all might consider ‘trying harder’, yourself. Your feeble attempts at taking ANECDOTES and trying to project them into data, and then ATTEMPT snark from there, are getting tediously boring.

          But, since you like extrapolating from inadequate data, and ATTEMPTING to get snarky about it, how’s about you ponder this? As of 2018, black males in the US numbered about 21million (out of a population of 330,000,000, total). Yet they commit 52% of the murders. Doesn’t that mean we should round up and deport, execute, or imprison all black men???

          Your accelerating decline into insanity/idiocy would worry me, if I hadn’t already written you off as the uneducated, ideological, partisan, Leftist/fascist nitwit that you are.

          Go join your daily circle jerk, and leave the adults alone to have a conversation, child.

        • Minor its a joke not a dick don’t take it so hard also try to be a bit more relevant to the topic at hand with your rants if you want to merit better trolling.

    • MajorStupidity,

      Why are you such a racist POS???

      TRY to do better; we’re all getting tired of you constantly lying and beclowning yourself.

      • “Doesn’t that mean we should round up and deport, execute, or imprison all black men???“

        Hey Lamprey, you used your outside voice for that, woopsie!

        • Minor MINER49er Lamp asked you a question. Why don’t you try to answer it? Or is your response all you have? Typical Leftist dodge.

    • In absolute numbers, more white people than black people are killed in police shootings (because white people outnumber black people in America, about ). But proportionally (not in numbers, but proportionally based upon population percentage) (blacks ~ 13% of the U.S. population), black people are several times more likely to be killed in police shootings than white people.

      (note: The white, non-Hispanic or Latino population make up ~61% of the nation’s total, with the total White population (including White Hispanics and Latinos) being ~77%.)

      For example, in 2021, people killed due to police shooting: – 234 White, 139 Black, 66 Hispanic, 8 other races, and 608 unknown race. In 2022, as of March 2022 (at time data compiled, see link), ~138 civilians have been shot and killed by police, ~9 of whom were Black. It varies some by year, take a look at the link.

      (https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/)

      • “Thrasybulus”?

        You conservatives just can’t help it, y’all just love yourselves some tyrants.

        “Thrasybulus (Greek: Θρασύβουλος ὁ Μιλήσιος) was the tyrant of Miletus in the 7th century BC.“

        Just like Tucker Carlson and Donald Trump, conservatives are having a “love affair” with dictators and tyrants.

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