Democrats and President BidenHarris have been pushing hard for the expansion of gun control laws in America as part of their “cure” for what they claim is an epidemic of “gun violence” in this country. Among other restrictions, they want to outlaw private gun sales, extend the number of days the FBI has to complete a check from three days to ten, and create incentives for every state to enact its own “red flag” confiscation law.
There’s just one problem with that. As two recent high profile shootings have shown, those laws, already on the books in California and Indiana, failed to keep guns out of the hands of some very dangerous and deranged people.
Aminadab Gaxiola Gonzalez, who lives in America’s gun control mecca, shot up an office building in Orange California last month. He’d been convicted of battery back in 2015. That should have prevented him from being able to legally purchase a firearm for at least a decade. And yet he was able to buy the gun he used to murder four people anyway in a state that prides itself on its extensive gun control regime. Oops.
As the Sacramento Bee reports . . .
It’s unclear where or how Gonzalez, 44, acquired the Glock semi-automatic handgun and ammunition used in the March 31 shooting in the city of Orange.
But the shooting raises concerns over California’s ability to enforce strict gun laws, and underscores the difficulty of the state’s efforts to seize weapons from those convicted of dangerous crimes.
Two weeks after the mass shooting, police have learned Gonzalez “was not on the “Prohibited Persons List,” though he might still have been blocked from buying a gun during a background check, according to Orange Police Lt. Jennifer Amat.
“Our detectives are still working on the trace for the weapon,” Amat said in an email this week.
Officials at the Department of Justice, which manages the state’s background check system, declined to answer questions about Gonzalez, saying the agency is forbidden by law from releasing information about a person’s criminal or firearms background-check history.
However, a department spokeswoman said Friday that just because someone isn’t listed on the state’s “Armed and Prohibited Persons System,” it doesn’t mean they can buy a gun with a previous conviction. That system only applies to gun owners who had previously purchased a firearm. State agents will use that database to seize weapons from those newly convicted of certain crimes.
But if gun buyers aren’t in that system, they can still be barred at a dealer if they try to purchase firearms through the standard background check process.
It seems that the byzantine combination of both California’s gun control bureaucracy and the FBI’s federal NICS system failed to keep a gun out of a convicted felon’s hands. Gonzalez wasn’t even in the state’s own prohibited persons data base.
If he’d tried to buy a gun legally, California would have had to hope that the federal NICS system was more up-to-date, an iffy proposition at best given its famous track record of failure (cough Devin Patrick Kelley cough Dylann Roof cough).
Exactly where or how Gonzalez got his gun, no one knows yet. Maybe he bought it legally and both background check systems failed. Or maybe Gonzalez bought the handgun he used on the street, skirting the elaborate and expensive processes erected to keep a gun out of his hands.
Maybe we’ll eventually find out where he got pistol. But in any case, it seems that someone bent on murder will find a way to get a gun no matter how many background check laws are on the books to keep him from doing so.
In other gun control news, there’s the case of Indianapolis FedEx killer Brandon Hole. As has already been reported, Hole’s family had reported him to police last year. They were worried that the former FedEx employee was a candidate for a suicide-by-cop situation. Both local police and the FBI investigated Hole and confiscated a shotgun he owned.
And yet Hole later purchased two rifles legally, one of which he used to murder eight people last week.
From the New York Times . . .
In March 2020, the police seized a shotgun from Mr. Hole after his mother raised concerns about his mental state, records show. But, Chief Randal Taylor said, the fact that Mr. Hole was legally able to make the more recent gun purchases indicated that — despite his mother’s warning and the police seizure of a gun — the authorities had not deemed him subject to Indiana’s so-called red flag law, which bars people from possessing a firearm if they are found by a judge to present a dangerous risk. …
Under Indiana’s red flag law, the authorities have two weeks after taking someone’s weapon to argue before a judge that the person is unstable and should be barred from possessing a gun for a period of time. Chief Taylor said he was unsure whether a hearing like that ever took place in the case of Mr. Hole, though the police never returned the shotgun they had seized last year.
“I don’t know how we held onto it,” Mr. Taylor said in an interview on Saturday night. “But it’s good that we did.”
Yes, a very good thing indeed. If they hadn’t taken it from him, the victims at the FedEx facility might have been murdered with a shotgun instead of a rifle.
In both high profile shootings — incidents that the civilian disarmament orgs, politicians, and the media (BIRM) are using to justify their push for more restrictions on responsible gun owners’ right to keep and bear arms — the very laws now advocated by members of Congress and the President were already in place. Yet they did virtually nothing to stop both men from getting their guns.
The truth is, the current drive for expanded gun control laws in America has nothing to do with stopping crime or saving lives. Rather, it has everything to do with erecting more hurdles and barriers to lawful gun ownership.
The more onerous and expensive the process of buying and owning a gun is, the fewer people will choose to do it…or so the thinking goes in the gun-grabbing community.
Criminals and the deranged, however, won’t be deterred. They never have been. They always manage to get the weapons they want.
If President BidenHarris and the Congress get their way, the only result of still more gun control laws on the books will be fewer responsible Americans with the ability to protect themselves and their families from those who would assault, rob, rape, or murder them.
Then again, if the bills become law, more politicians would be able to stand in front of the cameras to proudly announce they’ve DONE SOMETHING about “gun violence.” So…mission accomplished.
“ more politicians would be able to stand in front of the cameras to proudly announce they’ve DONE SOMETHING about “gun violence.” So…mission accomplished.” And that, boys and girls, is the entire agenda.
Well more importantly to the Left they will have make tens of millions of gun owners felons. Then the next step is to deny those felons voting rights. If you don’t turn in your guns then you are classified as a felon and can’t vote.
Throughout history Gun Control has been killing people. It is a terminal disease that effects only law abiding citizens who bow to its demands. Demands that you do not have the means on hand to defend yourself which of course in the end leaves the decision whether you live or die up to criminals.
As for those who trip over themselves to run to Gun Control they are suspiciously mute when any other inanimate object is used in crime.
Obviously it takes a history illiterate idiot to go around promoting a murderous agenda that is rooted in slavery and genocide. A demented agenda called Gun Control. You hearing me Jim Crow Gun Control joe et al? Answer you tough guy self serving democRat ratbassturd.
“Then the next step is to deny those felons voting rights. If you don’t turn in your guns then you are classified as a felon and can’t vote.“
You do know, Democrats have a lead to charge to restore voting rights to felons for years, right?
It is the law and order Republicans who want to deny voting rights to felons who have served their time and paid their debt to society but still don’t have their right to vote restored.
MAYBE,,, Just MAYBE, IF they brought the “DEATH PENALTY” back AND ENFORCED it, AND, NOT have these CRIMiNALS lounging around in prison, for 20-30 years,JUST MAYBE,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, a lot of these “CRIMES will stop”
It is very suspicious how most of these mass shootings occur during administrations that are more amenable to draconian gun control. And for some reason we almost always learn the FBI was watching the perpetrators, but haven’t gotten around to doing anything to prevent them from obtaining guns and ammunition. … Hmmm!
Do they actually occur more, or are they merely more heavily publicized?
It’s definitely the latter. Any shooting becomes a mass shooting. However, it’s also hard to argue they are not happening more as well, but the leftist controlled media pushes that gun control crap hard.
And how many people were killed in 2020 rioting?
And without guns… Because most rioting was in dem controlled cities.
Conspiracy Bros give the government too much credit. You ever ship a package via USPS? That’s proof the government can’t pull of the stuff ya’ll give them credit for. The town I live in had to privatize the garbage pick up because the local government couldn’t handle it. They’re idiots, not evil masterminds.
Never put to conspiracy what could be explained as caused by laziness and stupidity.
Although there are some who think the laws didn’t fail, they didn’t go far enough.
They need to focus in on crazy people. Yes, even the ones they know about.
So Biden wants more laws like the failed ones in Cali and Indi so law abiding citizens are disarmed but not criminals? Kinda identifies what the plan is actually about don’t it? Our disarmament!
In the Marxian dialectic, criminals are ideologically close and citizens are ideologically apart.
All the proposed and existing laws are NOT intended to prevent death in American streets or businesses. They are intended to protect Socialist anti-America tyrannical politicians’ asses for their traitorous acts against America from Patriots with Ar-15s, high capacity” magazines, even Grandad’s old double barrel with bird shot, once Patriots finally say “ENOUGH” and take up the Second Amendment in earnest for our Founding Fathers’ intended purpose. Time is at hand. Tick….tick….tick…..tempus fugit. Politicians from within are accomplishing what armies feared to try and were not able to accomplish…..conquer, over throw America, turn America into a Socialist shit hole for the benefit of only the Elite.
“Gun violence” must be controlled. We should try a law…..How about God’s “Thou Shalt Not Kill.” Ooops, tried that, didn’t work.
How about man’s Murder 1; Murder 2; Manslaughter. There that will do it. Ooops, those didn’t work.
Let’s try 22,000+ laws against the “….shall not be infringed.” of The Second Amendment, and punish good citizens that have done nothing wrong. There, that will surely do it. Ooops, didn’t.
Well, maybe just one more law from “take them all if I could” FineStain, “Never worked a day in my life” Bolshevik Bernie, Ole Creepy, Sleepy, Senile, Crazy, Fire Two Blasts In The Air Joey, et el, et el..
Ooops, that ain’t gonna do it either…..because that is not the agenda.
A politician with a law never stops a bad guy with a gun.
He only controls the good guys….which is his true agenda. Making good people helpless does not make bad people…..or politicians……harmless.
“Killing is a matter of will, not weapons.
You cannot control the act itself
by passing laws about the means employed.”
The late Col Jeff Cooper, 1958
Handgun expert and founder of Gunsite Academy
For once I agree with Bill O’Reilly. bad guys shooting people is the price of freedom. Liberty is risky business. That’s why our Founding Fathers recognized our God-given right to shoot back. As bad as it sounds, having tens or even hundreds of dead people in the streets killed by Defective Citizens is greatly preferred over having millions of dis-armed dead citizens in concentration camps, blast furnaces, mass graves, killing fields by the armed police/government. History, learn from it, be doomed to re-live it, or die from it.
The bodies in a local WalMart or grocery store or school or church……the bad guy with a gun…..or the gang member with a gun…. the mentally deficient guy with a gun……or the terribly distraught family member of a gun shooting victim…… or a gun violence survivor……or the Feelz-Gooder Social Do-Gooder….. or the the “hair-on-fire, we’re-all-gonna-die” contingent……or the skin color only voter…..are the politician’s easily manipulated Useful Idiot Tools to achieve his power and control agenda.
The new agenda for humanity requires that no one will have the capacity to fight back. It has been said: “Our Task of creating a Socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed.” No other explanation is possible.
History has repeatedly demonstrated that disarming good people in the name of making bad people harmless only eventually facilitates politicians shooting their own countrymen. History…learn from it or be doomed to relive it….or die from it.
President Joe “the dementia patient” Biden. Is the preferred candidate for the never Trump gun owners.
Let’s get something straight about the purpose of Laws. While their Ability to prevent crime is only effective against Law Abiding Citizens. Their Intent was/is to provide for Punishment for those who choose to not abide by them. Defined as Criminals: For the Criminal Justice Reform crowd who seem to concern themselves with the plight of Criminals, rather than Victims. Once a person has Chosen and Yes it is a Chose to break the Law. Their Punishment should be as immediate and severe as possible. Unfortunately with today’s bastardize legal system punishment takes a backseat to the actual process of gamesmanship between Lawyers,Prosecutors and Judges. The term Justice being the Most poorly defined and Misrepresented part of the legal system as it Means differnt things to different people. It’s ambiguous meaning has turned the whole process into a revolving door of Recidivism. Which Bleeds to Populace of lives, Economical Impact and a lack of faith in the whole process. The worst part is “We the People” are the ones to blame for it all. Simply because We’ve allowed to Process to be Usurped by Politicians, Lawyers, Judges and Bureaucrats who make a living off of playing the Game for their own benefit without regard to the Well Being of Society. So when you look for someone to blame simply look in the mirror. The Root cause of all the Misery is a Apathy of the Citizenry.
Colorado had most all the grabbers’ fantasy list of laws in place before the Boulder shooting. They’re now pushing for a waiting period, but the shooter already went through one, even through it wasn’t a law. Colorado requires almost all sales or transfers to go through an FFL, which the buyer having to pay $10 for a CBI background check. A couple years ago, that check took 10 minuted, maybe 30 at peak times. With the current demand, there is a backlog and a 7 to 10 day wait for the background check to be done. It’s no longer just a minor tax on exercising a Constitutional right and an inconvenience of a few minutes. It’s denying rights for days and potentially preventing someone from defending their life, while obviously doing nothing to prevent the tragedies.
Bottom line, a determined criminal doesn’t give a rat’s ass about laws. Gun control is not about guns, it’s about control.
Watch this Oakland suspect with a gun who was a felon and wanted out of San Jose for brutal attempted murder with a gun.
Fremont PD motor officer is rushed by suspect after suspect crashes car and starts shooting at Officer Burch. Burch is still mounted on motor and gloves. No time to access AR mounted to bike. Skip to 5 minute mark to see where the attack happens.
Watch: Suspect Shoots At Fremont Police Officer Before Being Shot | Fremont, CA Patch
The antigunners say they’re in this for the long haul. I think they more or less “win” eventually, but it will be a very, very long haul. Most will die of old age by then.
The messed up thing is that these anti-gun/pro-big .gov folk must look forward to these mass murders; damn near all gun legislation is bought up in regards to this one specific event.
They have to whether they like it or not as this is the only way to change American culture to have adverse reactions to firearms in the commoners hands.
They must demonize the culture in order for people to willfully comply with further regulation.
Must you post their names and faces?
Denying criminals their glory would withdraw that incentive from future copycats.
Each media outlet needs to do their part.
Yes. We name them. Other sites don’t, and I respect their decision not to. But it’s important to see these pathetic losers for who and what they are.
Agreed…Evil must be subjected to the light of day so that it may be destroyed by all means necessary. It now becomes the responsibility of the Citizenry to doll out the price to be paid, because the Politicians, Judges and Bureaucrats who Law Abiding Citizens entrusted to do so have failed in their responsibility. Their ever increasing focus has become the Rights of Criminals over that of the Victims. Using their Political clout to Radically change the meaning of criminal behavior to suit their Agenda driven Transformation of Our Nation. If allowed to continue down this path the Nation of Our Children and their Children’s Children will be forever altered into a World Controlled by the Tyrannical Politicians and the Criminal Element they entrust to do their bidding.
Please reconsider your methods. Media contagion is a real problem, and there are protocols to minimize its effects while achieving journalistic goals.
And another shooting event in Texas. The Dems are really pulling out all the stops this time.
Supposedly a former Deputy Detective too. Let see how this pans out.
Good shoot by Burch, damn lucky he wasn’t hit! Only good ending to violent criminals is immediate and brutal death penaly. If we televised these POS getting tossed into a metal chipper alive like a blown engine block getting recycled, or a gator farm, or pool filled with hungry reef sharks maybe fewer deviants would choose a life of violent crime.
Penalty, not penaly. Dont eat over yer keyboard, warriors 😉
I do not understand the B. Hole situation in Indy. he was basically Red Flagged by family. The LEOs and FBI had him detained and given interviews and a mental evaluation. Eventually he was released, but his weapon was not returned. Seems like they may have had a reason for not returning the weapon. There is no mention of his trying to get his weapon back. Then several months later, he buys a couple of firearms. Since the Feds didn’t return the original firearm, shouldn’t he have been placed on the prohibited buyers list? Shouldn’t his name have been flagged when he purchased the firearms? It just seems odd that several of the shooters this year were “known persons” to the Feds.
There’s probably just something I don’t know about the situation.
This is a good example of the corruption of the Biden and Harris administration ALWAYS doing and wanting to do the stupidest things, any idiot knows guns don’t kill people kills, SO I guess cars murders people SO all charges for D.UI’S speeding, DRUGS, RAPES ECT. Killings should be dismissed FOR the person or person’s ARE innocent, it’s ALL the fault of THEM drugs, that can of beer or THAT mean’o CAR, the people HAD NOTHING TO DO with that 2 year old been ripped apart and throw in a ditch, river. OH HELL NO a person IS not responsible it was the type of Diaper it was wearing, the gun, drugs, car,or diaper.didn’t commit ANY of these Horrible crimes. And if our government and THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA, can’t SEE THE TRUTH, THEY ARE LIVING in the WRONG COUNTRY.
All they want is a few compromises.
I’d rather have them ban the AR as long as we can keep our bolt action rifles with scopes attached. Even then I could do without the scope.
Real hunters get closer.
I don’t bird hunt so I don’t care what they do with shotgunms as long the magazine holds less then 3 rounds and has a 24 inch barrel. Pistols and revolvers should only be owned by law enforcement or military. They are too easy conceal and most civilian homicides and murders are committed with a handgunm.
By accepting a few restrictions the gunm owner will be able to continue to exercise his second amendment rights . I’m pro 2A , and anyone, unless prohibited, should know they have second ammendment rights.
Typical apathetic selfish thinking. You’re ok with whatever infringements as long as you think it doesn’t affect what YOU want to do. The world can go to hell as long as you got yours. Got it.
You can 3d print anything you want and finish with parts from the hardware store.
Gun control is dead.
Criminals won’t care if 3d printing a gun and components is illegal.
You’re only punishing the citizens that follow the law at this point.
Supreme Court stabs gun owners in the back twice this week.
Once in restoring gun rights to non violent felons and twice when refusing to rule on the right to carry a handgun in public. Remember the court is dominated by Trump Conservatives who last year refused to hear 12 important 2A cases letting the anti-gun laws all stand.
WAKE UP EVERYBODY! I said this before. it is people NOT gun control. the democrat party is the COMMUNIST party. and they want to come out of the closet. but they cant when we all have guns because we can oppose them. so they come up with feel good laws to fool the morons we have in this country and they even try to upset the biggest most powerfull pro gun lobby we have so everyone lets it go down the tubes. they control the internet , the media , commiewood , sosial media online , and fix elections. AND put up some people to do shoot em ups in public places ( thats right, I accuse them of being behind these mass shooting which always seemed to be time just right around progun measures being tried to being passed and anti gun measures like now when they are trying like hell to ram gun control through). when are you all going to wake up and realize what they are and what they are doing. how many people here own guns , and comment here but vote for these communist? how many. how stupid are you? you some scumbag pothead? you dont think it affects your brain right, yet you voted for them, that s proof enough. and all you others? what gives. yes waynes gotta go, but not the entire NRA. we still need them. but dont donate to them right? you dont think you are really hurting us by doing that? now that they are under scruitany I’ll bet the money goes where it should. but dont listen to me, all you guys kust keep doing what you are doing and let our gun rights go down the pooper with the rest of this country komrad.
“the democrat party is the COMMUNIST party“
really? Sometimes it seems the conservative Republicans are those who would rather steal our rights:
“Remember the court is dominated by Trump Conservatives who last year refused to hear 12 important 2A cases letting the anti-gun laws all stand.“
and why didnt the “click to edit” button work when I tried to edit my mistakes Dan? I wanted to say people control control not gun control, and correct a few other mistakes. like “just” instead of “kust”.
New York Post : Officials admit ‘shortcomings’ in law that let FedEx shooter buy guns.
I have yet to hear any administration in the USA say anything about “I am going do what ever is necessary to make sure the laws we have on the books get inforced or heads will roll!”
I do not think this is a deep state thing either. I think it is a record keeping and logistics electronic system that needs to be fixed by smart people, whether they currently work for the governement or not. I worked for the goverment for 34 years and sharing records between groups and updating those records in a timely manner so Mr. Bozo cannot illegally buy a firearm is and has been the problem for decades. No theatre or political points in it though, not to mention entrenched government employees. So a Republican will say “we have good laws” and a Democrat will say “we need more laws” but neither will take ownership and fix it
The Second Amendment is about PARITY between citizens and the individual soldier! Please educate yourself by reading contemporaneous writings of the Founders and other politicians at the time!
Laws outlawing full-auto or select-fire arms are UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Any and ALL laws regarding free citizens and restrictions, licenses, permits, or permissions to purchase/own/sell/make/ carry firearms are INFRINGEMENTS prohibited by the Second Amendment!
You mean to tell me a criminal didn’t obey the gun laws and murdered some people?
What kind of criminal would do such a thing?
My, My, what is the world a’comin’ to?
Need more gun free zones, so people can feel safe that the criminals wouldn’t contemplate such a despicable notion! But don’t worry lobotomy Joe has been 1000% assbackwards his whole political life! A classic garbage heap of 🐀💩
Punish the CRIMINALS using GUNS, NOT the LAW abiding CITIZENS by taking away their GOD GIVEN rights to HAVE them, guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. ALL this “gun control” is COMMUNIST CONFISCATION of weapons – NEXT comes TYRRANICAL government RULE. One Enlightened Patriot. Team Trump and His Allies 2020 – MAGA (WE’RE NOT going away!).