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Today, the Biden-Harris Administration is announcing six initial actions to address the gun violence public health epidemic. The recent high-profile mass shootings in Boulder – taking the lives of 10 individuals – and Atlanta – taking the lives of eight individuals, including six Asian American women – underscored the relentlessness of this epidemic. Gun violence takes lives and leaves a lasting legacy of trauma in communities every single day in this country, even when it is not on the nightly news. In fact, cities across the country are in the midst of a historic spike in homicides, violence that disproportionately impacts Black and brown Americans. The President is committed to taking action to reduce all forms of gun violence – community violence, mass shootings, domestic violence, and suicide by firearm.

President Biden is reiterating his call for Congress to pass legislation to reduce gun violence. Last month, a bipartisan coalition in the House passed two bills to close loopholes in the gun background check system. Congress should close those loopholes and go further, including by closing “boyfriend” and stalking loopholes that currently allow people found by the courts to be abusers to possess firearms, banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines, repealing gun manufacturers’ immunity from liability, and investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Congress should also pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own.

But this Administration will not wait for Congress to act to take its own steps – fully within the Administration’s authority and the Second Amendment – to save lives. Today, the Administration is announcing the following six initial actions:

The Justice Department, within 30 days, will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of “ghost guns.” We are experiencing a growing problem: criminals are buying kits containing nearly all of the components and directions for finishing a firearm within as little as 30 minutes and using these firearms to commit crimes. When these firearms turn up at crime scenes, they often cannot be traced by law enforcement due to the lack of a serial number. The Justice Department will issue a proposed rule to help stop the proliferation of these firearms.

The Justice Department, within 60 days, will issue a proposed rule to make clear when a device marketed as a stabilizing brace effectively turns a pistol into a short-barreled rifle subject to the requirements of the National Firearms Act. The alleged shooter in the Boulder tragedy last month appears to have used a pistol with an arm brace, which can make a firearm more stable and accurate while still being concealable.

The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states. Red flag laws allow family members or law enforcement to petition for a court order temporarily barring people in crisis from accessing firearms if they present a danger to themselves or others. The President urges Congress to pass an appropriate national “red flag” law, as well as legislation incentivizing states to pass “red flag” laws of their own. In the interim, the Justice Department’s published model legislation will make it easier for states that want to adopt red flag laws to do so.

The Administration is investing in evidence-based community violence interventions. Community violence interventions are proven strategies for reducing gun violence in urban communities through tools other than incarceration. Because cities across the country are experiencing a historic spike in homicides, the Biden-Harris Administration is taking a number of steps to prioritize investment in community violence interventions.

  • The American Jobs Plan proposes a $5 billion investment over eight years to support community violence intervention programs. A key part of community violence intervention strategies is to help connect individuals to job training and job opportunities.
  • The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services is organizing a webinar and toolkit to educate states on how they can use Medicaid to reimburse certain community violence intervention programs, like Hospital-Based Violence Interventions.
  • Five federal agencies are making changes to 26 different programs to direct vital support to community violence intervention programs as quickly as possible. These changes mean we can start increasing investments in community violence interventions as we wait on Congress to appropriate additional funds. Read more about these agency actions here.

The Justice Department will issue an annual report on firearms trafficking. In 2000, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (ATF) issued a report summarizing information regarding its investigations into firearms trafficking, which is one way firearms are diverted into the illegal market where they can easily end up in the hands of dangerous individuals. Since the report’s publication, states, local, and federal policymakers have relied on its data to better thwart the common channels of firearms trafficking. But there is good reason to believe that firearms trafficking channels have changed since 2000, for example due to the emergence of online sales and proliferation of “ghost guns.” The Justice Department will issue a new, comprehensive report on firearms trafficking and annual updates necessary to give policymakers the information they need to help address firearms trafficking today.

The President will nominate David Chipman to serve as Director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. ATF is the key agency enforcing our gun laws, and it needs a confirmed director in order to do the job to the best of its ability. But ATF has not had a confirmed director since 2015. Chipman served at ATF for 25 years and now works to advance commonsense gun safety laws.

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        • I do care for the gun control either but 35 fraudulent votes out of 1 million isn’t exactly “stealing an election”…

        • ‘”Cause the last Republican was so good for guns”

          And what do call Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Coney-Barret, Travis?

          On the campaign trail, Hillary stated that “Heller was wrongly decided.”

          Do you serious believe the justices chosen by Hillary would protect or destroy the 2A?

          Are you stoned, or stupid?

        • It’s a night and day difference Travis. Wake up and smell the coffee. Most peoples’ lives don’t revolve around firearms, but even when it comes to firearms, it’s shaping up to be a night and day difference.

          People are beginning to notice, and they’re also noticing which Republicans are the sellouts. There’s a chance to remake the party. You can help or you can spin your wheels by complaining about how bad the Republicans are as if they’re all the same.

  2. Don’t know how they think ghost gun regs from the executive will survive the courtroom, the statute is clear.

    • “Don’t know how they think ghost gun regs from the executive will survive the courtroom,…”

      “You can beat the rap, but not the ride.”

      That’s how.

      Is clarification required? All they have to do is make a few examples of POTG… 🙁

  3. GOA, FPC, and other defenders of the constitution should immediately file suit in all federal circuits; develop impossible-to- ignore circuit splits.

    • “…develop impossible-to- ignore circuit splits.”

      Like that’s ever stopped them from ignoring ‘Heller’ splits?

      And in the meantime, time marches on, and lives get destroyed in the process…

        • So you say, and that makes you the exact same as those pieces of sh!t, son.

          Get cancer and die alone… 😉

        • So you are saying you are a shit-eating retarded idiot and most likely a member of NAMBLA… got it.

        • An administration that violates the constitutional rights of it’s citizens while allowing illegals, drugs and human-traffickers to brazenly cross into our country?

          Your parents must be so proud.

  4. Lawsuits are already prepared that will tie all of this crap up in court and eventually have it struck down. The “national red flag law”…that’s a slippery slope, BUT it may be the key to getting all of them thrown out as unconstitutional. We’ll have to wait & see.

    • Perhaps. Biden’s administration is basically saying – with all these initiatives – that they’re about to announce a bunch of unconstitutional measures designed to infringe on our rights. Blatantly and obviously. So much so, that I hope your statement comes true and one of them brings a lot of it down like a Jenga tower.

      Though, unfortunately, that would require SCOTUS to grant cert, and Roberts has been a jellyfish.

  5. Hey, make all the laws you want. it’s time for us not to comply. All sleepy Joe is doing is triggering a new revolution. How about a new question, Does Joe Biden have the mental competency to actually know what he is doing. This should be the question: If someone who is mentally incompetent sign a executive order? He is obviously incompentent if he can’t understand the rule of law.

    • He will be in for the “two years and a day” to allow Kameltoe to have the remainder of his term plus two of her own. By then they will be “The Party” and terms limits will be revoked.

      Election cycles will only mark passage of time and are a rubber stamp formality.

      • Those in blue states do. Red flag laws are an outrageous violation of 4A, 5A, and 6A no matter what anyone thinks about 2A, but you can bet that blue states WILL put the “model red flag law” to use.

        • Can we start relabeling this bullshit ” Blue Flag laws”, since that’s where the abuse of rights is being pushed from?

        • Blue states have already enacted those laws, it’s just an extra layer of frosting on the anti-liberty cake.

  6. “investing in evidence-based community violence interventions”

    Nothing the anti’s do is evidenced based. If they used evidence, they would cease to exist.

  7. And in reality so much effort will be expended to achieve so little. Any failure will be attributed to not going far enough and will cause further restrictions.

  8. Can’t wait to watch Cuckservatives line up for their free tax stamps to register their AR pistols and PCC’s. Lol, “Come and Take my registered and taxed pistol brace!” Out of my cold dead hands. Merica! Back the Blue! Maga!

    • I wonder if there would even be free tax stamps, or do like bump stocks: they are now illegal, you can cut them up or turn them in, register your guns if you like.

      No mention of import bans for pistols though the ATF could just not approve them. If SBR is the only option then a lot of the “cool, short, braced” guns would likely become less popular like scorpion, sig rattler, mcx, mpx, all the braced ARs, etc.

      Even if a brace is “allowed” with an SBR stamp, what’s the point, put a real stock on it if you are going to register an SBR.

      • That’s this week. Or, actually, yesterday, depending upon where you are. In some places, it’s already tomorrow, that being Thursday, and with a stroke of his pen (held in fingers palsied by a stroke at that) President Xi BidenHarris can outlaw them again.

        NOTHING that you think is fully ‘protected’, in stark and clear wording, by the Bill of Rights, is in actuality ‘protected’ at all It’s all subject to interpretation, at least until our capital city is no longer in thrall of an occupying power.

  9. “Like that’s ever stopped them from ignoring ‘Heller’ splits?”

    Every circuit has been polled on Heller? The entire appellate system is split, or only a coupla circuits?

    • The circuits that respect the Heller limits don’t get sued. That leaves those that ignore it, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 9th circuits. These circuits generally uphold restrictions, meaning there is usually no split. But that may be changing. The Ninth has taken the lead in deciding that the 2d Amendment does not apply/guarantees no rights outside the home. The Ninth has been pushing the limits of Heller, but now I think they’ve stepped over the line.

  10. We REALLY need to start exercising our Second Amendment the way it was intended…to rid our government of TYRANTS. China Joe and Kameltoe Harris need to stop dipping into Hunters crack stash. Good thing Burisma didn’t drug test for that 80k a month no-show job, huh?

  11. “President Biden is reiterating his call for Congress to pass legislation to reduce gun violence.”

    Hey how about you simply make murder illegal? Then they would all magically stop.

  12. “The Democrats stole the election!”
    The mob cheers for another insurrection
    Biden’s E.O. they abhor
    “Get yer guns! Civil war!” in
    TheTruthAboutGuns comment section

  13. The problems for the ATF is that “ghost guns” are not guns when purchased. You have to make them. That is still legal.

    • Well now, that depends. As I understand it, California has decided that completing an 80% firearm renders one a “manufacturer”, and without a manufacturing license, the State will not issue serial numbers to make the finished product lawful under California law, ,which requires all firearms to be serialized with a State-issued number..

    • You want scary??? wait for the anti-matter guns to appear… if they ever meet up with their counterparts, it’ll be teotwawki for sure!!

  16. “The circuits that respect the Heller limits don’t get sued.”

    Thinking that it is important to bring cases everywhere, in order to force splits. The circuits that respect the Second Amendment would be on record, as would those that don’t; removing the power of the 2d, 3rd, 4th, 9th circuits to avoid review because of a lack of a split. It would seem to place the SC in a very awkward position. Not that awkward is a motivator for the SC, but the public display of refusal to grant cert when every circuit is on record on the very same cases, yet split 6 to 4 might be something Roberts cannot afford hanging over his legacy.

  17. The public, and political, fascination with firearm serial numbers is comical (yet still a legal minefield). Serial numbers cannot lead to discovery of the actual criminal who used a gun in a crime. Serial numbers can lead to the manufacturer, and maybe the first buyer (presuming the firearm was purchased after recording serial numbers during a sale was instigated). There are uncountable numbers of firearms that were bought and sold prior to serial number tracking on a federal level.

    Now, once the firearm is traced to the first buyer, and found to have been stolen, LE will probably lose interest, and hound the buyer who lost the gun (or had it stolen). Which, may, indeed, be the hope and intention of the anti-gun syndicate.

  18. Aside from armed conflict, which should be coming, a suggestion for red flag laws. Find out every gang banger in every major city (there are thousands and they all have guns) and report them. Make them take the guns away from those who truly pose a danger. Let them choke on this BS law.

  19. Mass shooters trying to comply with “the law” by having a brace on their AR pistols.

    Are we going to push these fine, law-abiding (except the murder thing) to decide to become felons by sawing down their 16” carbine barrels to the gas block or putting a stock on a pistol to make an illegal SBR? Surely we shouldn’t force these murderers to commit a felony on their way to the masa shooting.

  20. “The Justice Department, within 60 days, will publish model “red flag” legislation for states”.

    This will be imposed as law for the whole. Country. That EO will encourage “Red Flag” ERPO Confiscation by cops, doctors acting as STASI wannabes, and Leftist Civilian Pigs At The Trough at every level across the Country.

    No laughing matter, everyone.

  23. Fully anticipating the Flames of Righteous Indignation, if there were any three (or four, or five) things that could’ve been designed intentionally to draw the condemnation of bureaucrats and elected officials, and to bring down their wrath, it is ‘AR pistols,’ ‘arm braces,’ and ‘80% kits).

    We’ll not pick on ‘bump-stocks’ today, but they’re #4. Really short shotguns-that-are-not-SBSs, such as the Tac 14, are #5.

    Let’s just imagine that somebody wanted to create a firearm or an accessory that would really, p*ss off a government official, such as BATF and/or a Liberal Progressive. If it was me, I’d choose to take a ‘military-looking’ rifle with a 30-round magazine holding a military-issue-caliber cartridge, and then I’d chop off the barrel, remove the shoulder stock, and call it a ‘pistol,’ knowing full well that what I have, for all practical purposes, is a rifle with a short barrel and no stock with a 30-round magazine containing rifle-caliber ammunition.
    Then, just to press my luck, I’d graft on a thing that LOOKS like a shoulder stock, and has a flat pad at the back like a shoulder stock, but I’d put a strap on it and say, “No! This is no shoulder stock! It’s an ARM BRACE! See, it’s got a strap on it!” Then I’d claim that this ‘arm brace’ was intended to help disabled people use AR-15 ‘pistols.’ Then I’d let any TD&H who has no disability at ALL buy one, stick it on their ‘pistol,’ and claim that this gun with a thing that LOOKS like a shoulder stock and can be put to the shoulder just LIKE a shoulder stock (which would make the gun an SBR) is an ‘arm brace,’ because NObody would EVER put the ‘arm brace’ to their shoulder, because THAT would make it a functional ‘stock’, and the gun an SBR.
    Now, if I’d really like to make friends with, and influence, a few hostile legislators, I’d come up with a ‘kit’ that would let me create the foundation for my AR-15 ‘pistol,’ the lower unit, by mail, without ever having to pass a background check or even put a serial number on my creation, while having no mechanical skills beyond being able to follow printed directions and not stab myself to death with a punch. I would then claim that i had ‘built’ my gun, just like ol’ Eliphalet Remington did back in 18-Whateveritwas. Just as if I’d carved it out of a block of steel, mined my own polystyrene, all by candle light on a dirt floor in the barn.
    I fully understand that, today, one can ‘build’ one’s own firearm legally. However, this ain’t ‘building; It’s ‘assembling from a kit,’ with a small amount of drilling and grinding, if that. Nobody’s being fooled.

    And now comes the not-so-stupid bureaucrats and officials, drawn like blowflies to a rotting carcass, to pounce upon all of these cutesy, oh-so-smart ‘workarounds’ to flout existing Federal gun laws that everyone was oh-so-SURE were such great ideas with which to fool those dumb Feds, who were NEVER going to catch on. Well, they’ve caught on. And they won’t stop there. And we’re all going to catch H*ll because of it.

    Thanks, fellas.

      • Note that I never said that I AGREED with basing regulation and law upon ‘feelings;’ I don’t.

        What I AM saying is that, by creating clever ‘workarounds’ for established gun regulations that have been accepted by the courts since 1934, these clever people have brought down the wrath of those who DO legislate with ‘feelings’ instead of fact.

        It’s a simple case of “Lookit ME! I LAUGH at your regulations on SBRs! Come and get me, sucker! I DARE you!”

        And that is exactly what has happened. And it will not stop there, as this is only the beginning–now that we have their unwelcome attention.

    • Wow…seriously?

      Americans have been milling, building, putting together, carving, smelting, ect our own personal firearms since the founding and long before.

      These things you mentioned should not be an issue anyway. Why are they? If someone wants an SBR then so be it, they should not have to pay for a Right or permission from the Fed’s anyway. Maybe they have T-Rex arms or something who knows.

      I’ll bottom line it for you. The anti-gunners will not be happy until all the guns are gone and out of private hands. And yes, they’ll come for hunting rifles and shotguns too because bambi and polar bears need understanding, not death.

      I think you are hoping to get eaten last? correct me if I’m wrong please.

      • It’d be my guess they’ll call hunting rifles with scopes a sniper rifles. ( remembering when I showed a scoped rifle to a German xchange student ) .
        Nobody “Needs” a sniper rifle. I dont know what reason they’ll have for a shotgunm?
        Maybe none, after all it is Tory’Joe’s weapon of choice.
        I suppose when some nut job carries out a mass shooting with a shotgunm, they’ll find a reason.
        Any firearm designed to fire more then one projectile with a single trigger pull or having an inside chamber diameter larger then 10mm might work? ( banned the.410’s with that one I did).

        • Might throw in smooth bore, thatd let rifle users still have their unscoped rifles. Inside chamber diameters greater then 11mm would stop to many rifles.
          Whew, this is hard making laws to infringe a constitutional right and still keep the appearance I’m not.

      • All of what you say is true.

        It ‘shouldn’t matter in the least about barrel length, or length of pull, or stock or brace, or ‘bump stock’ or binary trigger, or semi-automatic or bolt-action, but it DOES. It ‘shouldn’t’ matter if one ‘builds’ one’s own gun out of machine steel, carved wood, and hand-fitted internal parts made with a file, or ‘builds’ it from a nearly-finished ‘kit,’ but it DOES. It has mattered, for getting close to a century. Since 1934, there really hasn’t been a single case wherein a portion of the NFA has been repealed, or even seriously questioned by the SCOTUS. It’s settled, law, unfortunately.

        That being the case, the things we’re discussing have served only to put the Government on notice that there are (Gasp!) ‘workarounds’ to the NFA that are, at present, ‘legal,’ things that in their eyes subvert the intention of the NFA, GCA, and every other A since, which they perceive as glaring ‘loopholes’ that MUST be closed, and NOW.

        That’s what’s happening. And, as I keep saying, and you aren’t arguing, it’s only just begun.

        Although I don’t expect to be eaten last, I suspect that I will be eaten next–just not in this round. When ‘they’ come for semi-auto sporting rifles, they will want a snack from me. When they come for ‘high-capacity’ magazines, there’ll be another bite demanded. When they desire self-loading pistols, there’s another. ‘Sniper rifles’? Another. ‘Weapons of War’? Got ’em. Literally.

        I expect that I’m going to be ‘eaten,’ in easily-handled mouthfuls, progressively, as things get worse. AR? Yep. Semi-auto pistols? Yep. ‘Large-capacity magazines’? Yep. ‘Weapons of War?’ Yep, literally. By the time they get to my percussion guns, I’ll probably be in no shape to care.

    • Translation:

      As a bootlicker, I realize that the best way to follow the law is to think about what big daddy government might try to take next and never exercise those rights at all. That way, by voluntarily giving up my rights, I’ll never be infringed upon!

      There, fixed it for you

      • No, you fixed nothing.

        I have a very fast car, and a valid driver’s license; I do not thumb my nose at the nice government agents who would gladly take my driver’s license, and my fast car, away by exceeding a posted speed limit incessantly, and excessively, especially where they can easily see me. Instead, I try to be as stealthy as possible, and do not draw attention to myself so as to bring down their wrath. It’s called ‘accepting Life as it IS, not as I would LIKE it to be.’

        I realize that the ‘one is a right, the other is a privilege’ argument can be made, but, at this point, considering all of the OTHER infringements that have stood the legal test over the years, I/we are damn’ lucky to have what we DO have–and thus do not wish to poke The Bear in its den with frivolous toys that can only make it angry.

        You can be an Absolutist; I must be a pragmatist. What is, IS, and I, along with you and pretty much everybody who posts here, do NOT have the power to change What IS, or what is probably to come.

        • Speeding, for good or ill, is illegal. A pistol with a brace isn’t. Period.

          You are arguing that everyone should drive twenty miles hour hour under the limit just in case the police feel like overstepping their authority. You are arguing that it’s okay when the authorities do this. You are wrong.

        • No, I am not ‘arguing’ anything of the kind. I am, on the other hand, ‘arguing’ that standing in front of a ravening anti-gun politician, and proudly showing him/her/zem the cool contraption that I’ve created to get around a portion of the NFA, and DARING him/her/zem to do something about it, is the height of stupidity, because his/her/zem’s ‘natural’ response is to try to close the perceived ‘loophole.’

          Is that not what is happening now?

      • That’s OK, it just means that I can save you a seat. There’ll be fresh straw and a bucket of fairly clean water, too!

    • Bingo.

      “oh-so-smart ‘workarounds’ to flout existing Federal gun laws that everyone was oh-so-SURE were such great ideas with which to fool those dumb Feds“

      And the videos by stupid yahoos taunting law-enforcement in open displays of shouldering a pistol braced weapon did not help.

      • The deal is Miner49er, there shouldn’t be existing firearmnms laws.
        What reason is there not to put a stock on a pistol, besides a law. It enhances the accuracy of the firearmnm, which I think would be a good thing.
        I dont get it?

        • “It enhances the accuracy of the firearmnm, which I think would be a good thing.”

          Actual, tangible, ‘gun safety’… 😉

        • That’s the whole, stupid point to all of this. . . it’s a LAW that we have been stuck with since 1934. If a Federal LAW, no matter how obtuse, or unreasoning, or ridiculous, has remained unchallenged on the books since 1934, this is NOT the time to start putting quasi-‘stocks’ on pistols just to see what happens. Unfortunately, now we get to SEE what happens.
          Go figure.

          I never said that any of this makes SENSE; I just keep saying that it is ‘SO.’

      • Aww, Moron69er found his soul mate, another piece of shit, leftist fudd investing this chat board. Delightful!

        • Great argument and rebuttal, that. Do you have anything else to add, or is that the best that you can do?

          Even Minor69er can do better than that, you know.

      • The fact that this righteous and completely legal civil disobedience is all over YouTube is a feature, not a bug.

        But I suppose to remain intellectually honest, Miner, now you’ll start telling us that fomenting insurrection with explosives at federal courthouses, burning down homes and businesses, and assaulting innocent property owners on YouTube all summer, while obviously also a perfectly legal(!) and necessary(!!!!) expression of dissatisfaction(!!!!!!!!!) with an unpopular presidential administration(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!), was ALSO wrong-headed and that those stupid yahoos also should have been stopped.

        It’s basically the same thing, right?

        RIGHT???

        • No, I believe that anyone, regardless of race, religion, national origin, etc. should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for attacks on innocent individuals or violent property damage.

          And plenty of individuals were arrested and charged for the violent riots that occurred during the last year of trumps administration.

        • Funny, I remember you scoffing at how just “a few businesses” were damaged, and that we all needed to clutch our pearls over those dangerous insurrectionists at the capitol. Now it’s stupid yahoos who own and are proud of 100% legally owned property that we need to panic about.

        • No Miner49er
          Those that were arrested had their charges dropped by “friendly” prosecutors.

    • If clever people can think of ways to flout stupid gun laws through inspired legal workarounds, it is their God-given patriotic obligation as freedom-loving Americans to do so. John and Miner and all the rest of the losers, be quiet and get out of the way. Men are working.

      • True, all true. And it is the God-given patriotic obligation of other people, who see themselves as being just as freedom-loving and American as do you, but who happen to have the power of the Federal government and judiciary behind them, to figure out a way to stop clever people from putting their clever ways to flout stupid gun laws through inspired legal workarounds into operation.

        They may be wrong, and I think that they ARE wrong, but they disagree, and they are ‘in charge’ for the time being. All of the standing-upon-soapboxes and raving about the injustice of it all is not going to move them one whit.

        You’re very right: Men ARE working. And what they are working at, now that ‘we’ have gotten their attention by waving raw meat and red flags in front of them brazenly, is taking ever-bigger bites out of all of us. It would’ve been better if these ‘workarounds’ had never been tried, for all of us.

        • Sounds like your strategy for opposing them is to hide and hope for the best. This is not how you make them stop. This is not how you win.

          You win by making them understand that we will always. Find. A. Loophole.

          You win by making them understand that we are done with their infringements, and we will not comply.

        • Johnie McFudd in AK says ‘we’ have gotten their attention by waving raw meat and red flags in front of them brazenly”

          THIS JUST IN….Johnie McFudd in AK…. Blames the victims of sexual assault for being drugged and raped.

          “They had it coming” says Johnie McFudd in AK, “how dare they walk around naked under those winter jackets and all those clothes”

          “And they should think twice before they let those Ruffies(Rohypnol), slipped into their drinks, effect them.”

          “They were just asking for it…”

        • Great.

          They have a law that has been ‘livable’ but unpleasant and stupid since 1934. Suddenly WE, in the collective sense, find a workaround to that law. THEY see it as an escalation, and call our bluff by making the workaround illegal–seriously illegal. OK, WE find another workaround. They make THAT illegal, but then They one-up us just because they CAN, having the power to do so, and outlaw the item to which the workaround is attached, making the argument moot–no semi-auto pistol, no need to outlaw ‘arm braces’. Move for move, escalation upon escalation, until one side loses everything–and it’s not likely to be The G.
          Do you actually want to test the power of the Federal government to do awful things to individual people, while knowing what they are actually capable of doing, and have done, to individuals?

          Man, your effing Government KILLS people that it doesn’t like, and gets away with it virtually every time. It ENJOYS it. You can say that you will not comply, but if Government decides that YOU are the example ‘pour encourager les autres’, it’s going to do it, happily. And impunity. Ask Ashley Babbitt.

          I don’t see a ‘win’ possible, here, only a measure of survival.

        • And that’s a TERRIBLE analogy.

          A more accurate one, if you want to stick with rape, would be to try NOT to blame the rape victim who, while semi-conscious from drugs and alcohol voluntarily consumed, intentionally wandered, nude, into a packed army barracks late at night, crawled onto a bunk, spread her legs and said, “Hey, don’t rape me, boys!” just before passing out.

          That’s pretty much like openly thumbing one’s nose at a government official with the power to destroy your life, just daring him to do so, isn’t it?

    • Oh for fuck sake , Karen. 20 years ago I built a Vans RV6a kitplane (Oh No, death from the sky… HORRORS !!) with parts sent in crates to my garage, powered it with a non certified powerplant that I did my own wrenching on, and flew it wherever the hell I wanted. Guess what…. there are imaginary perils lurking behind anything you own.Do you change your own oil? OMG, you are putting thousands at risk. Go hide under your mom’s bed , you fucking chicken little!!

      • I’m afraid that everything you wrote, here,’ is completely irrelevant to what I wrote.

        We’re not talking about ‘risk.’ We’re not talking about building an ultralight, or a boat, or a rickshaw. We’re talking about ‘building’ or modifying something that has rigid Federal controls, and the means being taken by some to circumvent those controls, no matter how repugnant those controls may be, which has drawn the unwelcome attention of Federal regulators to every aspect of that ‘something.’

        If your argument has to resort to insult, name-calling and vulgarity, you don’t have much of an argument; It’s also rather childish.

  24. Using braces to go after ADA and HIPPA so they get the vaccine passports and mandate injections.

    Gonna have to “repeal and replace” them with something that allows for more flexibility in these trying and dangerous times.

    They were the last outposts of privacy from government intrusion.

  25. Yup, the old fool is determined to be known as the one who finally broke the camel’s back! But to be fair to the idiot, this bulls**t is coming from Barry O., Susan Rice, Soros, Doomberg and company!

  26. Using medicaid, wtf? Great, poor people getting screwed again.
    No you cant get dentures, eye glasses, or the doctor of your choice, but we do have a website that will tell you gunms are bad and why we used money allotted to us to help intervention plans.
    Oh and dont forgot your pamphlet, it explains why you got fcked and the steps you can take to get unfcked. You have the right to appeal but that’s going to take a lawyer and since you qualify for Medicaid we know you’ve not got the money to do that.
    No KYJelly is not covered under medicaid.

  27. To me, pistol braces are about hunting; for my 11 year old daughter, who will hunt in the shotgun zone – with a pistol. Apparently, 20- gauge rifled sabot slugs have a fair amount of recoil, and a rifle caliber pistol is much lighter, more compact and easier to use. I mean, it probably would be a handy defense gun, even for adults. But that factor is about the pesky 2nd amendment, but I digress.

    • I agree. What SHOULD be common sense is that short-barreled rifles and shotguns be
      no more regulated than a long-barreled one, that people benefiting from a ‘stock’ on a pistol should be able to get one, and those who have need for an arm-brace for medical or physiological reasons SHOULD be able to have one. Or anyone else, for that matter.

      But, they can’t. And that’s not the point. The long-standing NFA regulations are not going away. Being ‘clever,’ and finding a workaround, has only resulted in drawing the attention of new, eager, dedicated Disarmists who dote upon creating regulations, and encouraging them to MAKE more regulations to get rid of the workarounds.

  28. I know that I said the Biden administration wouldn’t do anything to infringe upon gun rights. But now that he is, know that I still blame Trump. If it weren’t for bumpstock stuff, Biden would never do anything bad gun related.

    Therefore, between shifting goalposts and unprovable what ifs, I don’t have to address my own ignorance. I don’t have to admit that I was wrong. I don’t have to face that I voted for a senile old man who’s incapable of wiping his own a$$, much less running a nation. I never have to admit what a piece of absolute trash I am for throwing gun owners under the bus because CNN told me what to think and say.

    • When Paddock did his thing I said he opened up a can of worms.
      And in my conspiratorial mind hes living the high life on some resort island. No one saw his dead body, zipped up in a body bag and off he went, Earaser style.

  29. “Find out every gang banger in every major city (there are thousands and they all have guns) and report them. Make them take the guns away from those who truly pose a danger.”

    Gang bangers do not pose a problem for dictatorships. Indeed, gangs are useful for keeping the fear level up, and justifying ever expansive government. An authoritarian government always needs a crisis, a “common enemy” as the excuse for absolute control over a nation. Law abiding people are the threat, especially those who believe they have “certain unalienable rights”.

  31. Listen to the language… These are executive “actions” not executive “orders.”
    This is lip service so that the anti lemmings can say “look! We’re doing something….”

    They would have just pushed this stuff through Congress but they couldn’t even do that. (Very telling)

    Keep in mind. They’re not gonna get a murder conviction in the Floyd case and by the time the riots and smoke settles from that the cops charged with murder in Atlanta will be walking too.

    Every major city in the country will be burning again all summer long and they’ll be millions more guns sold into circulation.

    If you think some pipe dreams on somehow regulating millions of pieces of plastic with no serial numbers is a major centerpiece on what’s heading our way then by all means worry away…..

  32. If the Second Amendment was written to ensure the central government could not disarm the citizenry, then what is justifiable about the central government taking every step it can to do just that.

    If an armed citizenry is needed against the day the central government turns on the citizens, what is the sensibility of allowing the central government to determine the means by which the citizenry can defend itself against a tyrannical central government?

    Based on reading the history of the times of the founding of this nation, the founders knew that governments eventually turn on their people. The founders were determined that the central government not have more firepower (“weapons of war”) than the citizens, Am I misreading something?

    • Not at all.
      .
      “Then what is justifiable” , law abiding people dont want to go to jail. That’s kinda why I admire BLM and antifa

  33. “That’s kinda why I admire BLM and antifa”

    Reluctantly understand. The Left is always eager to take to the street, to destroy. The law abiding proclaim, “Peace, peace.”

    But there is no peace.

    • ” We know only too well that war comes not when the forces of freedom are strong, but when they are weak. It is then that tyrants are tempted.” Peace Through Strength !! Ronald Reagan, July 17,1980

  34. The Democrats are trying to push where you can’t make a gun and you can’t buy a gun as a form of gun control. If they can re-appeal the PLCAA and use lawfare to put gun companies out of business they’ll make them either unaffordable or unobtainable. After that people would be forced to make their own, hence the need to regulate such arms.

  35. The forces of freedom grow weak because the free people eventually decide that freedom carries no responsibilities, only benefits.

    Evil never rests, but humans are conditioned to believe it will not harm you if you don’t look at it closely.

    • Annnnnd it’s happening as I type. As a peon in ILLinois little of slow Joe’s BS affects me. My local Indiana gunshop is advertising pistol braces. Good luck POTG…

  36. A declaration of being a 2A sanctuary state is meaningless without using force to back it up.

    Sounds like the right time for states to form a compact essentially around a “will not comply” position and have a “rapid reaction team” to interdict and stop any attempt by federal officials trying to enforce federal gun laws on the citizens within this compact.

    Better yet let’s just get it over with and have a national divorce.
    Why don’t I ever see a survey about that issue?
    I’d wager 100$ that it would achieve a majority approval.

    Somebody needs to form a LUTFA party.
    Levae Us The F# Aolone.

    • doesky2–There is an effort to form an interstate compact on 2nd Amendment Sanctuary. Mississippi introduced legislation last year on this. It would need at least six states to join in. The bill listed nine states–Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Tennessee, and West Virginia–that are expected to join in the compact. Only six are needed to bring the compact into effect.

      • But if the states compact isn’t backed up with guns then it’s all posturing. Red state sanctuaries (without backup) are vaporware if the Deep State doesn’t agree with you.

  37. In Oklahoma, we won’t have to worry about any “model” red flag laws. Oklahoma passed an anti-red flag law measure last year prohibiting any type of extreme risk protection legislation in the state. I can’t understand why other states haven’t done this yet.

  38. “BLM/Antifa believe theres no justice in law.”

    There’s that, but they don’t restrict their activism to blogs.

  39. Just require criminals to keep a logbook of the guns they use and time and date of the criminal activity etc, much like the logbooks kept by truck drivers or pilots.

  42. tRUMP WAS ONE TRYING TO STEAL ELECTION .
    NO CASPER THE GHOST NOT COMING TO GET GHOST GUNS , JUST TRY REGULATE HOME MADED CRAP . HOWEVER THAT MEANS CARS , KNIFES , BASEBALL BATS UUUUH REGULATE .
    WHAT WORRY ABOUT DON’T HAVE GUN YA NEED NOW , IF NOT ,WHAT THE HELL , YOU THINKING OF YEARS AGO .

  43. “It ‘shouldn’t matter in the least about barrel length, or length of pull, or stock or brace, or ‘bump stock’ or binary trigger, or semi-automatic or bolt-action,…”

    OK, ‘nuther trip in the Wayback Machine.

    During the “roaring 20s” and “prohibition”, gangsters were known to use sawed off shotguns and tommy guns to settle disagreements. These weapons could be concealed under a long overcoat, raincoat, or “duster”, letting gangsters move freely in society without anyone knowing the gangsters were about to shoot up a place (or two). The gangsters were then described as covering their weapons with their coats, and making an undetectable exit from the scene. So, restrictions on barrel length and machine guns. Did it work? Well, when was the last time you read about/saw a story about a current gangbanger, criminal, or mobster using a concealed machine gun to commit a crime? We can’t let the “good ol’ days” return, thus the NFA.

    See? Life can be really simple.

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